Discussion Reasoning Vs Instinct

[Versailles]

Let us take these concepts into account: Reasoning is the ability of the human mind to establish relationships between ideas or concepts and obtain conclusions or form judgments; while instinct is the innate and unconscious behavior that is genetically transmitted between living beings of the same species and that makes them respond in the same way to certain stimuli.

The human being possesses the instinct of curiosity, the instinct of escape or fear, the instinct of repulsion or disgust, the instinct of submission, the instinct of combat or anger, the instinct of reproduction and the instinct of survival (with the instinct of survival , we will include eating, washing and everything that makes us stay alive and maintain our health).

I am curious that most of the aforementioned instincts (except the SI) can be broken without having relevant consequences that affect us, I put as an example, the reproduction instinct, here our reasoning plays an important role because normally we arrive at a moment of our Lives in which we want to perform sexual acts with someone who attracts us, here the animal instinct to perpetuate the species, but what happens if you decide to use contraception because you do not want to have children? It is not a way to deceive your reproductive instinct. Obviously it is your reasoning that knows the reason why you want to use contraception, regardless of the case, it is not as if your SI It will manifest so that you do not use contraceptive methods.

You can break the other instincts, so this means that the S.I. You can also be deceived, here the problem is that the instinct of fear of the unknown triggers the SI, I have realized that if you break the fear, you break S.

 

[chocolatebar]

Do we really have a reproduction instinct or is it merely a sexual instinct? Contraception will prevent reproduction while not messing with sexual instincts. Maybe this wasn't the best example, but I understand your line of thought.

However, I'm not sure if the fact that one instinct can be deceived will imply in another instinct being overcomable as well.

 

[raindrops]

Ah, I like your post a lot.
Personally lets go back to 2019, the year I loved life, I didn't want to take myself out anyway.
Actually that year I remember a story about a girl who killed herself where I'm from because her bf left her.
She was in her twenties. I can take you to the spot I said this and I was in a moving car with my bf, even now when I drive past this fucking tree I remember my words that day.
The radio presenter was informing us about the girl who died.
What did I do? I laughed. Yep, I laughed I said -
"Imagine killing yourself over that, just imagine, who kills themselves that's mental, too mental, shes an idiot, she had her whole life ahead of her" a typical asshole thing to say, yet why did I say it?
Because I didn't want to die out of fear, the pain, the aftermath my family would have to deal with, that fear played inside my mind.

Now I want to die, I have no fear, no fear at all. If I was to queue for a rollercoaster I wouldn't care for it too crash.
See back in 2019 I would of been nervously waiting for the coaster "oh i hope it doesn't kill us like something out of that film" Now I do not fear death. At all.

Is it fear or curiosity? I am curious of the pain, and dubious of death, as in, will I die outright if I jump from what I have available? Yet surely fear and curiosity is only lost when you don't care anymore, like completely do not care for anything, absolutely nothing. I can bullet-point my fears, not one of them will be death though.
Care comes under an umbrella of things too. I care enough about my death I'd hope to make sure I get K.O'd upon hitting the ground. But will I just be K.O'd? What will happen? Yes obviously SI is kicking in, but have I only got that instinct because there's something I do enjoy here on this earth, like music, good food, jokes, beer. Maybe it is not fear of death but fear of what you could be missing out on and then would that all come down to a persons personality?
See, so many questions...


With that being said what I mean is can you really trick the mind into doing it and ridding yourself of SI?
When you truly enjoy something your brain knows about it subconsciously.

When you are hellbent on hating something like life, its consciously on your mind all the time and then subconsciously there is something you enjoy and want out of this life.

anyway that's my opinion, all our reasons vary i suppose.

 

[Naufrago]

I agree with you JustJudah, described very well our animal origin with our little human evolution. And I say that hope is human, and when you lose hope, you lose the taste of life. When we lose the flavor; we come into conflict.

 

[LivvenDe]

Ah, I like your post a lot.
Personally lets go back to 2019, the year I loved life, I didn't want to take myself out anyway.
Actually that year I remember a story about a girl who killed herself where I'm from because her bf left her.
She was in her twenties. I can take you to the spot I said this and I was in a moving car with my bf, even now when I drive past this fucking tree I remember my words that day.
The radio presenter was informing us about the girl who died.
What did I do? I laughed. Yep, I laughed I said -
"Imagine killing yourself over that, just imagine, who kills themselves that's mental, too mental, shes an idiot, she had her whole life ahead of her" a typical asshole thing to say, yet why did I say it?
Because I didn't want to die out of fear, the pain, the aftermath my family would have to deal with, that fear played inside my mind.

Now I want to die, I have no fear, no fear at all. If I was to queue for a rollercoaster I wouldn't care for it too crash.
See back in 2019 I would of been nervously waiting for the coaster "oh i hope it doesn't kill us like something out of that film" Now I do not fear death. At all.

Is it fear or curiosity? I am curious of the pain, and dubious of death, as in, will I die outright if I jump from what I have available? Yet surely fear and curiosity is only lost when you don't care anymore, like completely do not care for anything, absolutely nothing. I can bullet-point my fears, not one of them will be death though.
Care comes under an umbrella of things too. I care enough about my death I'd hope to make sure I get K.O'd upon hitting the ground. But will I just be K.O'd? What will happen? Yes obviously SI is kicking in, but have I only got that instinct because there's something I do enjoy here on this earth, like music, good food, jokes, beer. Maybe it is not fear of death but fear of what you could be missing out on and then would that all come down to a persons personality?
See, so many questions...


With that being said what I mean is can you really trick the mind into doing it and ridding yourself of SI?
When you truly enjoy something your brain knows about it subconsciously.

When you are hellbent on hating something like life, its consciously on your mind all the time and then subconsciously there is something you enjoy and want out of this life.

anyway that's my opinion, all our reasons vary i suppose.

What has made you change your perception of death/suicide so much from 2019? Did something specific happen to you or was it gradual?

I think I have always been kind of suicidal since I can remember back when I was 9.. but it was sth latent, not sth that would ocuppy my thoughts so much. Until I reached 29 years old back in 2015. Before then, I had high hopes for the future, I was very competitive and hungry for success... Then I had a burnout that year and something snapped, and I lost all hope.

Now I have ups and downs, but whenever sth bad happens, it is like my mind always go to this place of telling me: you see, suicide is the right way out! And all energy I would put into making me conquer the challenge subsides and I start reading all over again about suicide methods....

Sometimes I wish I didn't see suicide as a way out, sometimes I am very content it is :)

 

[Party__3nd5]

I think that somehow instincts do not come in the human being from birth, I think that perhaps the only instinct of birth that the human being has is to avoid physical pain, for biological things and because it is also said that one of the greatest pains is to be born, the sexual instinct would come from our own body. I remember hearing once that the human being, in the face of danger, has 2 answers to flee or fight, and I think it makes hallucinate the instinct to avoid pain, and in relation to that instinct, the rest is born and the great influence on how these instincts are produced is reasoning.
PS: Sorry if you don't understand, I don't speak English from birth.