slapntickle
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- Oct 28, 2025
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Just interested in exploring the Pheno route once more, and have a couple of questions that I need answering by someone more learned than I...
If one searches the clear web, there are numerous sites that sell veterinary phenobarbital, such as:
www.bioveta.eu
...there are lots of others too. I'm 100% clear that I could never buy this as an individual, but there are ways and means to get it if one really puts their mind to it (social engineering on a lonely vet lab tech for example, or paying drug addicts to rob a clinic).
The questions I have are really around would it be worth it? Am I right in thinking the reason that this isn't blowing up as a CBT method is that it's too hard for a layman to properly administer the IV dose needed? If one looks at the data on the link above, the bottle seems to have more than enough dosage to do a human. The results vary massively between animals (which I really don't understand), but if one takes dogs as a baseline, then even a 100kg human being would only need 30ml or so (and the bottle is 100ml). I look on other sites though, and the LD50 is quoted as around 75mg/kg, meaning the bottle is almost useless (as it only has around 360mg of actual PB). Which is correct?
The next question is around oral doses. If one looks at information around those, it seems that it rockets up around 140mg/kg (for rats). That means that again, the bottle is fairly useless, and all the info on the link above is basically wrong. That said, I can't imagine a manufacturer would make a product that would need loads of bottles to put down a cow or a horse.
Can anyone help clear this up?
If one searches the clear web, there are numerous sites that sell veterinary phenobarbital, such as:
PENBITAL Eutha 400 mg/ml solution for injection
Solution for injection containing pentobarbital for painless and calm euthanasia of animals.
...there are lots of others too. I'm 100% clear that I could never buy this as an individual, but there are ways and means to get it if one really puts their mind to it (social engineering on a lonely vet lab tech for example, or paying drug addicts to rob a clinic).
The questions I have are really around would it be worth it? Am I right in thinking the reason that this isn't blowing up as a CBT method is that it's too hard for a layman to properly administer the IV dose needed? If one looks at the data on the link above, the bottle seems to have more than enough dosage to do a human. The results vary massively between animals (which I really don't understand), but if one takes dogs as a baseline, then even a 100kg human being would only need 30ml or so (and the bottle is 100ml). I look on other sites though, and the LD50 is quoted as around 75mg/kg, meaning the bottle is almost useless (as it only has around 360mg of actual PB). Which is correct?
The next question is around oral doses. If one looks at information around those, it seems that it rockets up around 140mg/kg (for rats). That means that again, the bottle is fairly useless, and all the info on the link above is basically wrong. That said, I can't imagine a manufacturer would make a product that would need loads of bottles to put down a cow or a horse.
Can anyone help clear this up?
