Questions about the suicide pods from Switzerland

[iwantitalltoend]

I've been thinking about this for some time and I was wondering about what I would have to do in order to be able to use one of the suicide pods from Switzerland. It seems to be one of the most peaceful deaths available and I would really like to use it. Money wouldn't be a problem for me, I could afford to pay for it but I'm not sure if I would be accepted there. Are young people accepted there or is it just for elderly people with physical ilnesses? What kind of ilnesses are accepted? Do you have to be a citizen in Switzerland or is it for foreigners as well? What companies use the sarco pods, how can you contact them and what documents do you need in order to be accepted there?

 

[LittleCupcake]

They're very restrictive and not everyone gets accepted. you need to have a low quality of life and be able to prove it. like terminal cancer or severe chronic pain, I dont think mental health is a reason they accept

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

you are just advertising yourself to be scammed. have money, desperate, unwilling to do research... i saw your post earlier, then someone posted a faq on sarco. did you read it?

 

[iwantitalltoend]

you are just advertising yourself to be scammed. have money, desperate, unwilling to do research... i saw your post earlier, then someone posted a faq on sarco. did you read it?

I've done research on many methods but there's a lot of information on the internet and it can be overwhelming, it's hard for me to understand methods such as inert gas for example or how to use the dark net markets, it's complicated. I didn't read the faq on sarco, where is it?

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

if you read the faq, even like one of the first couple questions - you'd realize that sarco is not something you need to apply for

 

[Dayrain]

FAQs – Sarco

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[elimliadam]

I had a couple of questions. They replied.

 

[iwantitalltoend]

I just read it, however it still doesn't answer some of my questions. If people don't have to apply for it, then what do they have to do to use the pod? It says that the technical specifications will only be available to people who are subscribers to the PPH and who are older than 50. But it doesn't specify if other people who are younger will be able to use it or not. It doesn't specify a date when people could use it. Is it already available or will it be in the future? It says that people with depression can use it if they're of sound mind, so people with mental ilnesses could be accepted as well. Before using the pod, a person has to talk to a professional doctor but it doesn't say where. If the person isn't a citizen in Switzerland then do they have to talk to a professional doctor in Switzerland or in the country they live in?

I had a couple of questions. They replied.



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Is there a possibility that some countries might be against this and not legalise the use of it? If people who don't live in Switzerland want to use it, then will they have to go to Switzerland?

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

yeah unfortunately they won't sell you a copy unless you are over 50 but they are just plans. not even sure they released it yet. are you able to find nitrogen?

if i were you i'd be in lisbon. like i said', drug use is decriminalized so you have no need to sneak around or be worried about being scammed or robbed.

 

[iwantitalltoend]

yeah unfortunately they won't sell you a copy unless you are over 50 but they are just plans. not even sure they released it yet. are you able to find nitrogen?

if i were you i'd be in lisbon. like i said', drug use is decriminalized so you have no need to sneak around or be worried about being scammed or robbed.

It's not sure whether only people over 50 will be able to use it or younger people too, it doesn't specify anything like this. Is nitrogen used for the inert gas method? I don't know where to get it from and I don't know how to prepare all the equipment necessary for the method, I tried to read about it but it's complicated. I would go to Lisbon but I've never used drugs before so if I got heroin I wouldn't know how to check if the dosage and purity are enough for it to be lethal

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

i think you should put this aside for now. not sure where your understanding stops. you pay for it. it's yours. yes you then need to find nitrogen. i don't know if they released the plans yet.

you keep saying dosage/purity. nobody can tell you this. they won't lab test before selling to you. get to know someone with experience and have them teach you. if an afghan kid living in squalor can figure stuff like this out, why can't you?

 

[LittleCupcake]

I've done research on many methods but there's a lot of information on the internet and it can be overwhelming, it's hard for me to understand methods such as inert gas for example or how to use the dark net markets, it's complicated. I didn't read the faq on sarco, where is it?

inert gas is probley the easiest, argon is easily available and cant be cut with oxygen. Then you just need an exit bag thats the bit that needs practice, you dont need the dark web, just the general market and tesco. It can be expensive tho.

 

[iwantitalltoend]

i think you should put this aside for now. not sure where your understanding stops. you pay for it. it's yours. yes you then need to find nitrogen. i don't know if they released the plans yet.

you keep saying dosage/purity. nobody can tell you this. they won't lab test before selling to you. get to know someone with experience and have them teach you. if an afghan kid living in squalor can figure stuff like this out, why can't you?

So if I pay for the sarco pod then I'll have to get nitrogen on my own? Don't they give it alongside the pod?

I've never used heroin or other drugs so that's why I don't know what to do. I don't know anyone who could tell me how to use it and where to buy it from. I could go to Lisbon but I would have to know which places sell heroin and I'm not sure I can find them just by searching on google. I heard there are telegram groups where heroin can be bought but they're only visible to members of them, so for me to join these groups someone who knows them would have to send me invite links or something like that, I'm not sure how this works, I only read about this on the internet. The options that I have are that I could either wait to see who will be allowed to use the sarco pods, I could go to Lisbon or other cities to buy heroin but I would need to know which places sell it, I could join the telegram groups that sell heroin but someone would have to tell me which groups they are, or I could search for other methods

 

[Tears in Rain]

I've been thinking about this for some time and I was wondering about what I would have to do in order to be able to use one of the suicide pods from Switzerland. It seems to be one of the most peaceful deaths available and I would really like to use it. Money wouldn't be a problem for me, I could afford to pay for it but I'm not sure if I would be accepted there. Are young people accepted there or is it just for elderly people with physical ilnesses?

Initially it seems they will just be trialling it with elderly and very seriously ill people.

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What kind of ilnesses are accepted? Do you have to be a citizen in Switzerland or is it for foreigners as well? What companies use the sarco pods, how can you contact them and what documents do you need in order to be accepted there?

Foreigners will be allowed to use it, but you will have to have a medical assessment done by a Swiss physician to ensure that you have the mental capacity to make the decision to ctb.

I just read it, however it still doesn't answer some of my questions. If people don't have to apply for it, then what do they have to do to use the pod? It says that the technical specifications will only be available to people who are subscribers to the PPH and who are older than 50. But it doesn't specify if other people who are younger will be able to use it or not. It doesn't specify a date when people could use it. Is it already available or will it be in the future? It says that people with depression can use it if they're of sound mind, so people with mental ilnesses could be accepted as well.

You have to apply for it through Exit International.
As for a date, they don't know themselves yet when it will be ready to use.

As for depression:

"In regard to the points made by Final Exit Network (USA)'s director, Janis Landis.
Janis told the NYT, 'I am concerned about the availability of any device that allows vulnerable, emotionally depressed individuals to impulsively [ die by] suicide.'

Dear Janis,

Please fear not. For the reasons above, the person's mental capacity will have been signed off by a medical professional.

If the person were considered to be 'emotionally depressed' and wanting to 'impulsively suicide' (irrational suicide), then they would be referred to mental health services. They would not be a candidate for being helped to die in Switzerland.

This is not to say that depressed people are not helped to die in this country, for they are helped.
Depression, on its own, however is not an indicator of mental capacity.
Nor does depression prevent a person from making a considered, long-held decision to end their life in the context of illness or advanced old age."

Is there a possibility that some countries might be against this and not legalise the use of it? If people who don't live in Switzerland want to use it, then will they have to go to Switzerland?

A possibility? It's a damn near certainty that most countries of the world will be against the use of Sarco. It might not even get the go-ahead in Switzerland. The right to die organisations seem to be distancing themselves from it:

From a New York Times piece:

"The law in Switzerland, where about 1,300 people sought help from right-to-die organizations in 2020, requires confirmation that people seeking to end their own lives are of sound mind and reached the decision without pressure from anyone with "selfish" motives. Then a doctor writes a prescription for sodium pentobarbital, the lethal medication used there.

Sarco would bypass that step because it does not require a prescription for a drug.

Some Swiss right-to-die organizations have distanced themselves from Sarco. Exit, which offers living wills, counseling and end-of-life care, and is unaffiliated with Dr. Nitschke's similarly named nonprofit, said it does not see Sarco as an alternative to physician-assisted suicide. Another group, Lifecircle, said "there is no human warmth with this method."

Dignitas, a clinic near Zurich, said sodium pentobarbital "is approved and supported by the vast majority of the public and politics." Pegasos Swiss Association said it was in discussion with the Sarco team but wanted further clarification about the device."

https://archive.ph/KXMlz

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

So if I pay for the sarco pod then I'll have to get nitrogen on my own? Don't they give it alongside the pod?

I've never used heroin or other drugs so that's why I don't know what to do. I don't know anyone who could tell me how to use it and where to buy it from. I could go to Lisbon but I would have to know which places sell heroin and I'm not sure I can find them just by searching on google. I heard there are telegram groups where heroin can be bought but they're only visible to members of them, so for me to join these groups someone who knows them would have to send me invite links or something like that, I'm not sure how this works, I only read about this on the internet. The options that I have are that I could either wait to see who will be allowed to use the sarco pods, I could go to Lisbon or other cities to buy heroin but I would need to know which places sell it, I could join the telegram groups that sell heroin but someone would have to tell me which groups they are, or I could search for other methods

is your plan to drive me crazy enough to go kill ya myself?

 

[iwantitalltoend]

is your plan to drive me crazy enough to go kill ya myself?

If you shoot me in the head and death is fast then why not? I've actually been thinking about the possibility of hiring a hitman to kill me. I would like to be shot in the head, death would surely be fast and painless, but I don't know where I could find a hitman and it's not sure whether they'll do their job or just leave with the money

 

[strangelife]

Teacher secretly pays Swiss clinic £10k to kill himself by injection

47-year-old schoolteacher, Alastair Hamilton with no diagnosed illness paid more than £10,000 to die at a Swiss suicide clinic - which then kept his death a secret from his family, Mail on Sunday reveals.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Pegasus - not so strict. This guy did not got any terminal illness and was approved.
I think Sarco is just the same like scuba nitrogen. Switzerland use pentobarbital as I know

 

[iwantitalltoend]

Initially it seems they will just be trialling it with elderly and very seriously ill people.
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www.exitinternational.net

Foreigners will be allowed to use it, but you will have to have a medical assessment done by a Swiss physician to ensure that you have the mental capacity to make the decision to ctb.


You have to apply for it through Exit International.
As for a date, they don't know themselves yet when it will be ready to use.

As for depression:

"In regard to the points made by Final Exit Network (USA)'s director, Janis Landis.
Janis told the NYT, 'I am concerned about the availability of any device that allows vulnerable, emotionally depressed individuals to impulsively [ die by] suicide.'

Dear Janis,

Please fear not. For the reasons above, the person's mental capacity will have been signed off by a medical professional.

If the person were considered to be 'emotionally depressed' and wanting to 'impulsively suicide' (irrational suicide), then they would be referred to mental health services. They would not be a candidate for being helped to die in Switzerland.

This is not to say that depressed people are not helped to die in this country, for they are helped.
Depression, on its own, however is not an indicator of mental capacity.
Nor does depression prevent a person from making a considered, long-held decision to end their life in the context of illness or advanced old age."



A possibility? It's a damn near certainty that most countries of the world will be against the use of Sarco. It might not even get the go-ahead in Switzerland. The right to die organisations seem to be distancing themselves from it:

From a New York Times piece:

"The law in Switzerland, where about 1,300 people sought help from right-to-die organizations in 2020, requires confirmation that people seeking to end their own lives are of sound mind and reached the decision without pressure from anyone with "selfish" motives. Then a doctor writes a prescription for sodium pentobarbital, the lethal medication used there.

Sarco would bypass that step because it does not require a prescription for a drug.

Some Swiss right-to-die organizations have distanced themselves from Sarco. Exit, which offers living wills, counseling and end-of-life care, and is unaffiliated with Dr. Nitschke's similarly named nonprofit, said it does not see Sarco as an alternative to physician-assisted suicide. Another group, Lifecircle, said "there is no human warmth with this method."

Dignitas, a clinic near Zurich, said sodium pentobarbital "is approved and supported by the vast majority of the public and politics." Pegasos Swiss Association said it was in discussion with the Sarco team but wanted further clarification about the device."

https://archive.ph/KXMlz

Does this mean that people with mental ilnesses won't be allowed to use it? Then why did they say on the site that people with depression could be accepted? What mental ilnesses would a person need to have in order to be accepted? What does mental capacity mean to them more exactly and how do they decide if someone has the mental capacity to choose this or not? It's a bit confusing because they don't give specific answers

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

Does this mean that people with mental ilnesses won't be allowed to use it? Then why did they say on the site that people with depression could be accepted? What mental ilnesses would a person need to have in order to be accepted? What does mental capacity mean to them more exactly and how do they decide if someone has the mental capacity to choose this or not? It's a bit confusing because they don't give specific answers

last time. thought you said you read the faq. you download a file and bring it to a 3d printing shop. you pay them 17k or thereabouts. they do not have nitrogen. you cannot print that if you'll ask me that next. so now it's yours. whether you have a mental disability or not why do you need to ask permission to use it? bigger question is : are you living with family and if so, how are you going to hide that shit?

don't know where to go? well neither do i. i keep saying it's legal so why not ask the locals not someone you met on the internet who has never stepped foot in europe.

 

[iwantitalltoend]

last time. thought you said you read the faq. you download a file and bring it to a 3d printing shop. you pay them 17k or thereabouts. they do not have nitrogen. you cannot print that if you'll ask me that next. so now it's yours. whether you have a mental disability or not why do you need to ask permission to use it? bigger question is : are you living with family and if so, how are you going to hide that shit?

don't know where to go? well neither do i. i keep saying it's legal so why not ask the locals not someone you met on the internet who has never stepped foot in europe.

Yes I live with my parents. They have more than enough money to afford to buy a sarco pod but I'm not sure if they'll accept to buy it or help me with money so I could buy it myself. Like I said before, money wouldn't be a problem about this, the problem is that it's not yet sure what category of people will be allowed to use it, only people over 50 or younger people too, would they need to have just physical ilnesses or would people with mental ilnesses be allowed to use it as well? We also don't know when they'll be available to the public

You're right, if I'll decide to get heroin in Lisbon then I might have to ask the locals

 

[Tears in Rain]

Does this mean that people with mental ilnesses won't be allowed to use it? Then why did they say on the site that people with depression could be accepted? What mental ilnesses would a person need to have in order to be accepted? What does mental capacity mean to them more exactly and how do they decide if someone has the mental capacity to choose this or not? It's a bit confusing because they don't give specific answers

Mental illness is a grey area when it comes to Swiss right-to-die organisations like Dignitas or Pegasus. In theory, someone with depression can qualify for their assisted dying . But you have to have two Swiss physicians give the go-ahead that you meet the criteria, and you will have to show that it has caused long-term suffering.

As for Exit International and their Sarco, their views on accepting someone with depression seems a bit vague. They say that if a person is "considered to be 'emotionally depressed' and wanting to 'impulsively suicide' (irrational suicide), then they would be referred to mental health services.".

In their faq they say this:


I would say that they will initially only be offering this to the elderly and severely ill. Otherwise it will only draw more controversy.
That's if Swiss society even allow it.

 

[strangelife]

The girl went to euthanasia with mental disorder.

 

[Tears in Rain]

The girl went to euthanasia with mental disorder.

Yes, The Netherlands allows for euthanasia for children who are enduring unbearable suffering, even young children. That country is probably the most liberal country in the world when it comes to a lot of issues.

Dutch To Allow Euthanasia For Under-12s

The Dutch government on Friday gave euthanasia for children under 12 the green light, permitting mercy deaths for young minors suffering "unbearably and without hope".

www.google.com

 

[MBG]

I've been thinking about this for some time and I was wondering about what I would have to do in order to be able to use one of the suicide pods from Switzerland. It seems to be one of the most peaceful deaths available and I would really like to use it. Money wouldn't be a problem for me, I could afford to pay for it but I'm not sure if I would be accepted there. Are young people accepted there or is it just for elderly people with physical ilnesses? What kind of ilnesses are accepted? Do you have to be a citizen in Switzerland or is it for foreigners as well? What companies use the sarco pods, how can you contact them and what documents do you need in order to be accepted there?

Only read the OP. IIRC there are only 2 Sarco pods in the world: a prototype and the finished model which was said to pass final tests last (summer?) and ready for first use in Switzerland in early fall, then before the end of last year, then sometime this year, now no date given….

I have NEVER heard of real plans to offer Sarco use to the public. Phillip said he'd make the 3-D printer blueprints public so anyone could print their own. That kills the profit incentive to offer Sarco pod services. He should patent it and license it to different companies in different countries where legal.

Fortunately you said cost is no object because, IIRC, the large format 3-D printing involved was estimated $15,000-20,000 US per pod. No companies are going to offer Sarco use without exclusive license to ensure payoff for that huge investment.

A revised Respiro Rebreather is your best bet for a peaceful nitrogen death.

Sarco – Assisted Suicide Pod