Method Questions about CTB by hanging

[RENOX]

Since hanging is the easiest way I have to CTB, I need to know some things (sorry if this thread was already made)

These are my questions:
Is hanging a lot painful?
Can hanging break the neck as it says?
Does hanging works by blocking the airway and blood flow to the brain?
What could be the physical damage if I survived?
What kind of rope would be the perfect option?

 

[jane_doa]

In some ways any chosen method of CBT is uncomfortable/painful, it takes up to 20s to lose consciousness
Drop hanging does break the neck which leads to crushed or severed spinal cord and then unconsciousness, partial and full suspension hanging don't do that - instead the ligature compresses the arteries
If you fail you end up with severe brain damage (due to lack of oxygen), but if done correctly (and not interrupted!) it's quite reliable and swift

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

Painful? Somewhat. You're gonna get choked hard. Don't breathe, don't swallow, let your throat get squished.

Broken neck? No.

Blood? Yes. Air? Only incidentally. You should be unconscious from the blood choke before you feel like you're drowning.

If you survive? Possible brain damage

Rope? Idk, I think mine is 20mm. The thick kind you would use to tie up a boat, or maybe rock climb.

(FSH is probably my method. Partial would be nice but I'm not sure I can pull it off.)

 

[RENOX]

In some ways any chosen method of CBT is uncomfortable/painful, it takes up to 20s to lose consciousness
Drop hanging does break the neck which leads to crushed or severed spinal cord and then unconsciousness, partial and full suspension hanging don't do that - instead the ligature compresses the arteries
If you fail you end up with severe brain damage (due to lack of oxygen), but if done correctly (and not interrupted!) it's quite reliable and swift

I watched few hanging videos and I noticed it's not painless as I thought. Are the movements after the choke caused automatically by the body or is it the person trying to change his mind? I mean the hands had abnormal movement in them, the body shaking was caused automatically but I'm curious about the hand movement and most of the videos were 2-5 minutes long and there were movements still after 20 seconds. Are the movements caused automatically or by the person who is still conscious.

Thx.

 

[jane_doa]

I don't know what videos you've seen, it can be painful if not done correctly, and that's why the placement of the knot and ligature itself is important
I mean the person could change their mind as survival instincts kick in, but even after losing consciousness the body will trash around, reduced blood flow and lack of oxygen cause body spasms after all
If the ligature is placed in the wrong place on the neck and it constricts the airway instead of placing pressure on the arteries, that is painful as it lengthens the time before losing consciousness (up to a few minutes), maybe that's the case in the videos you've seen

 

[AreWeWinning]

Are the movements after the choke caused automatically by the body or is it the person trying to change his mind? I mean the hands had abnormal movement in them, the body shaking was caused automatically but I'm curious about the hand movement and most of the videos were 2-5 minutes long and there were movements still after 20 seconds. Are the movements caused automatically or by the person who is still conscious.

You're probably talking about the decorticate rigidity and decerebrate rigidity stages. These come after the person has already passed out, and after the 'convulsive' stage. After someone passes out, first there are body convulsions which last for about 10–20 seconds. After that, there are these rigidity stages when the body tenses up involuntarily. These rigidity stages usually last for about 2 minutes before the body goes completely limp. They can be eerily similar to conscious movements. The arms may straighten downward, or may be bent and pulled close to the chest. Fingers are curled and each hand is clenched into a fist. The legs usually extend downward, but can also be pulled up. However, despite how it looks, the person is already unconscious and not aware of any of it. The times I mentioned are approximate. How long these stages last may vary greatly from case to case.

You can read more about the various stages and how long they last in this study: Agonal Sequences in Eight Filmed Hangings

You can read about the Decorticate Rigidity and Decerebrate Rigidity stages here, for example: Decorticate Posturing and Decerebrate Posturing

 

[overthrone]

Since hanging is the easiest way I have to CTB, I need to know some things (sorry if this thread was already made)

These are my questions:
Is hanging a lot painful?
Can hanging break the neck as it says?
Does hanging works by blocking the airway and blood flow to the brain?
What could be the physical damage if I survived?
What kind of rope would be the perfect option?

Message from someone who's tried to CTB by hanging before (Died for 2 mins - came back in a fucking miracle turn)
1 - Depending on how long you can go while holding your breath, you'll be conscious for 30 seconds to a minute, then you're out. In the seconds or minutes you're awake, it hurts really bad.
2 - Depending on the height, and strength of material, yes. My jump was only from about ~3 feet and I was only hanging a couple of inches off the ground and my neck didn't break. A broken neck typically comes from force over bone strength.
3 - Pretty much. You don't feel that though, I passed out beforehand due to loss of oxygen, so I didn't feel anything when it came to my head.
4 - Brain damage is the most common, but im my scenario, I suffered damage to my vocal cords and airway.
5 - I used a belt so I wouldn't know. Tying a noose with a rope is too complicated
Btw, hanging is one of the worst methods to CTB. This is because it's not 100% guaranteed because messing something up is super common. Also, another note, humans, after being dead for a certain amount of time, lose control of bladder and bowel functions, and this is especially common in hangings. If you don't plan on being found after a while, then I wouldn't recommend it (unless you wanna be found hanging above your own piss and shit)

 

[itsmyusername]

Message from someone who's tried to CTB by hanging before (Died for 2 mins - came back in a fucking miracle turn)
1 - Depending on how long you can go while holding your breath, you'll be conscious for 30 seconds to a minute, then you're out. In the seconds or minutes you're awake, it hurts really bad.
2 - Depending on the height, and strength of material, yes. My jump was only from about ~3 feet and I was only hanging a couple of inches off the ground and my neck didn't break. A broken neck typically comes from force over bone strength.
3 - Pretty much. You don't feel that though, I passed out beforehand due to loss of oxygen, so I didn't feel anything when it came to my head.
4 - Brain damage is the most common, but im my scenario, I suffered damage to my vocal cords and airway.
5 - I used a belt so I wouldn't know. Tying a noose with a rope is too complicated
Btw, hanging is one of the worst methods to CTB. This is because it's not 100% guaranteed because messing something up is super common. Also, another note, humans, after being dead for a certain amount of time, lose control of bladder and bowel functions, and this is especially common in hangings. If you don't plan on being found after a while, then I wouldn't recommend it (unless you wanna be found hanging above your own piss and shit)

May I ask what the exact damage to your vocal cords and airways was and if it was permanent or temporal damage?

 

[AreWeWinning]

Message from someone who's tried to CTB by hanging before (Died for 2 mins - came back in a fucking miracle turn)

How exactly did your attempt fail? I'm assuming someone found you or your anchor point broke?

What do you mean by "died for 2 mins"? Were you dead when the ambulance arrived and did they resuscitate you?

2 - Depending on the height, and strength of material, yes. My jump was only from about ~3 feet and I was only hanging a couple of inches off the ground and my neck didn't break. A broken neck typically comes from force over bone strength.

Did you jump from ~3 feet, as in free fall? Or do you mean you stepped off a support that was about 3 feet high?

3 - Pretty much. You don't feel that though, I passed out beforehand due to loss of oxygen, so I didn't feel anything when it came to my head.

Could you explain what you mean by this? Before what did you pass out due to loss of oxygen, and what came to your head?

 

[overthrone]

May I ask what the exact damage to your vocal cords and airways was and if it was permanent or temporal damage?

I couldn't talk for about 3 hours, and I had a hard time breathing for a while afterwards (still have trouble with it today)

How exactly did your attempt fail? I'm assuming someone found you or your anchor point broke?

What do you mean by "died for 2 mins"? Were you dead when the ambulance arrived and did they resuscitate you?



Did you jump from ~3 feet, as in free fall? Or do you mean you stepped off a support that was about 3 feet high?



Could you explain what you mean by this? Before what did you pass out due to loss of oxygen, and what came to your head?

My anchor point broke, yes. My pulse stopped, but I managed to be up there for a short enough period of time that when I fell, I got enough air to survive. (Don't ask me, I'm just repeating what my doctor told me)
I stepped off a support that was about 3 feet, and hung only a few inches off the ground.
I passed out due to lack of oxygen, but I didn't have any permanent or short term damage to by brain (No migraines, memory loss, etc)

 

[beyond.space]

Message from someone who's tried to CTB by hanging before (Died for 2 mins - came back in a fucking miracle turn)
1 - Depending on how long you can go while holding your breath, you'll be conscious for 30 seconds to a minute, then you're out. In the seconds or minutes you're awake, it hurts really bad.
2 - Depending on the height, and strength of material, yes. My jump was only from about ~3 feet and I was only hanging a couple of inches off the ground and my neck didn't break. A broken neck typically comes from force over bone strength.
3 - Pretty much. You don't feel that though, I passed out beforehand due to loss of oxygen, so I didn't feel anything when it came to my head.
4 - Brain damage is the most common, but im my scenario, I suffered damage to my vocal cords and airway.
5 - I used a belt so I wouldn't know. Tying a noose with a rope is too complicated
Btw, hanging is one of the worst methods to CTB. This is because it's not 100% guaranteed because messing something up is super common. Also, another note, humans, after being dead for a certain amount of time, lose control of bladder and bowel functions, and this is especially common in hangings. If you don't plan on being found after a while, then I wouldn't recommend it (unless you wanna be found hanging above your own piss and shit)

the whole point of a good hanging attempt, be it partial or full suspension, is to apply the right pressure in order to block the carotids, the blood supply, which comes with very little pain and a fast fall into unconsciousness (5-10 seconds). from what you are saying, especially by using a belt, you just choked yourself to death, which is not what's supposed to happen, and the reason it took more than 10 seconds. believe me, my first botched attempt, i did EXACTLY the same, only i didn't use a belt. i managed to save myself because of SI right before fainting from lack of oxygen. if it were lack of blood to the brain, i wouldnt even have gotten the chance to change my mind.



please do not affirm that hanging is one of the worst and its not 100% guaranteed because of your failed attempt. hanging is the oldest and most researched method. i failed my attempt too, but i didnt know enough about it until recently, about its efficiency and the importance of getting the right kind of rope, anchor point etc.

 

[overthrone]

the whole point of a good hanging attempt, be it partial or full suspension, is to apply the right pressure in order to block the carotids, the blood supply, which comes with very little pain and a fast fall into unconsciousness (5-10 seconds). from what you are saying, especially by using a belt, you just choked yourself to death, which is not what's supposed to happen, and the reason it took more than 10 seconds. believe me, my first botched attempt, i did EXACTLY the same, only i didn't use a belt. i managed to save myself because of SI right before fainting from lack of oxygen. if it were lack of blood to the brain, i wouldnt even have gotten the chance to change my mind.



please do not affirm that hanging is one of the worst and its not 100% guaranteed because of your failed attempt. hanging is the oldest and most researched method. i failed my attempt too, but i didnt know enough about it until recently, about its efficiency and the importance of getting the right kind of rope, anchor point etc.

When I first hung myself, I was young and didn't really care to know the science behind it - I was more in it from what I'd seen in movies and I just wanted out. I didn't bother doing research since i was so overwhelmed and just wanted to die using a method i knew

also, fair, I was more looking at it from the sense that it's not the BEST method rather than the worst. Hanging is an effective method if you dont care about what happens once you ctb, but if you're anything like me, I would care about how people found me and what they thought seeing me in my last moments.
If you dont care about that, then hanging is a decent method given you do it right

 

[beyond.space]

When I first hung myself, I was young and didn't really care to know the science behind it - I was more in it from what I'd seen in movies and I just wanted out. I didn't bother doing research since i was so overwhelmed and just wanted to die using a method i knew

also, fair, I was more looking at it from the sense that it's not the BEST method rather than the worst. Hanging is an effective method if you dont care about what happens once you ctb, but if you're anything like me, I would care about how people found me and what they thought seeing me in my last moments.
If you dont care about that, then hanging is a decent method given you do it right

that's fine, i attempted 6 months ago and didn't know anything about it besides that i wanted to be out of here FAST and that was the only available thing to do for me at the time. so i know exactly how you must have felt. also, if you care about how people find you, hanging is still ok in my books, because i also care about that, or more so, what my family and friends will have to look at in the casket, and that's why my plan now is to send a scheduled mail the next morning after the night i ctb and tell a friend to call the police so nobody close to me will have to find me hanging. my original plan was to shoot myself, but i have no access to guns here and that will also be bloody and horrible for my close ones.

 

[JesiBel]

• Is hanging a lot painful?

If you do it correctly, in less than 15 seconds you'll stop feeling the pressure and compression of the ligature on your neck. Read this thread about pain, unconsciousness, involuntary body movements.

• Can hanging break the neck as it says?

No, that's not the goal in partial or full suspension. In drop hanging (executions), it is the goal, and there's a specific procedure to achieve it (calculations of height, weight, and fall will depend on each person's body structure).

• Does hanging works by blocking the airway and blood flow to the brain?

The goal is to block the flow of oxygenated blood to the brain. Airway obstruction is a consequence of this process. The ligature, positioned under the jaw and tightened to its maximum around the neck due to the weight of your suspended body, will cause the base of the tongue to slide upwards, blocking the passage of air.
Swallowing will also be impossible; all the structures inside your neck will be compressed. Even the diameter of your neck will decrease as the ligature penetrates deeply and the knot tightens itself (Arbor Knot) under the weight of your suspended (hanging) body.

Photo: postmortem CT scan of the neck (hanging suicide) with the ligature still on his neck

• What could be the physical damage if I survived?

The longer your brain is without oxygen, the greater the damage. Remember that it is considered a medical emergency and we are causing it intentionally.

Brain oxygen deprivation and death

You can prevent this by testing your rope and anchor point; they should not break and must be strong. You must ensure that you are completely alone, and that no one interrupts, saves, or finds you ahead of time.

• What kind of rope would be the perfect option?

Choose a synthetic material like polyester or polypropylene; they are strong.

It should be a static rope (without elasticity), and braided (not twisted) so that it slides easily since its surface is smooth.

It should not have an internal core so you can tie and tighten the knots more easily (for example, not Kernmantle ropes which tend to be stiff and less flexible)