Discussion Q for people who firmly believe there's a hidden elite running the world?

[Throwmyselfaway]

Heard those too. Surely, that isn't real. Not saying it's not, could be, but there isn't any proof. Which, really, makes sense as to why it's a conspiracy.

There's a few books about it. One is franklin cover up.

 

[Inferdan]

There's a few books about it. One is franklin cover up.

Mm...may look into it, since I'm doing nothing all day, besides school. On the contrary, I like doing nothing...may look into it :p

 

[Throwmyselfaway]

Mm...may look into it, since I'm doing nothing all day, besides school. On the contrary, I like doing nothing...may look into it :p

Go for it! And since you may go down that rabbit hole I recommend looking up mk ultra too

 

[Suicide_vampire]

When you look at the stats that 1% of the global population owns 99% of the wealth its easy to see there's something going on. Also search the bilderberg group who are a shadowy organisation

 

[Argo]

Ideologies don't kill people. People kill people.

Ideologies certainly drive behavior(If you fully believe the building is on fire, even if it's all in your head, your legs will start to move), so some reliably kill where others reliably prevent killing(Jainism is pathologically obsessed with non-violence to the point they won't even defend themselves if attacked or they worry about accidentally inhaling insects). But it's basically both which kill people-- the ideology is the proximate/local cause(some ideologies *literally* demand, "Kill <x> people"), but the people are the ultimate cause, because we're the products of a selection game that produced a more and more psychopathic species as time went on, with various failsafes to hide these features like:

* Self deception - "I'm one of the good humans/I'm not so bad/I know what's right they should put me in power to fix it, since I'm me! Those other people though... they're the bad ones!"

* Wishful thinking - "I wouldn't want to live in a world where humanity was an evil species by nature, so I'm going to pretend this isn't the case"

* Confirmation bias - "My prior representation of reality says <x> is actually the root cause of evil in this world, so it's absurd that humans could have been evolved to select for antisocial behavior, sadism, spite, deception, manipulation, bullshitting themselves so they more successfully bullshit others, all as a game-theoretically advantageous disposition for maneuvering through a hellworld meatgrinder."

 

[Conker]

It isn't something that I beLIEve but rather know that they exist and have made their evil intentions clear via the Georgia Guidestones.

There's a mountain of evidence proving they're real, and are the invisible architects behind this beast system that systematically rewards sociopathy whilst enabling psychopaths to flourish. Everything they do is just another offshoot of an attack on the heart/Earth. Secret societies are secretive because they're deeply involved in all types of criminality, privacy and secrecy aren't the same thing. Their mockery of the masses is at an all time high. You're beyond blind if you still don't know your enemy.

 

[Iloveyouall]

Understand that "money" is the only driving law of mankind and you will understand everything. There is no chain of command.

 

[Skyview]

Adrenochrome, The Drug Of The Elite: They Obtain It By Torturing Children

Adrenochrome, a chemical known by 'modern science" since at least the 1930s, it is a chemical compound with the molecular formula C9H9NO3. Adrenochrome is produced by the oxidation of adrenaline (epinephrine) in mammals. The chemical concentrates in the body during times of extreme fe

thetruthrevolution.net

This is factual and not a conspiracy theory , these people are sick and hopefully their world will collapse , I would add that it's taking too long for them to be brought to justice .
Anthony Weiners laptop had photos of children that made seasoned NYP detectives vomit , yes that's how bad it is !
The elites , Hollywood and the Vatican , these people are sick .
Jeffrey Epstein was involved and used his private island for this practice and it goes deeper , was he filming those elites who had partaken in the rituals and then bribed them , it has been stated that he worked with Mossad !
Epstein knew too much , his alleged suicide in prison a cover up and why did the Atorney General Barr visit him in prison , this was unprecedented.
Prince Andrew was involved with Epstein and anyone who watched his interview where he tried to claim innocence and failed miserably.
Trafficking of children worldwide who are then tortured to induce adrenaline flow in the bloodstream, their blood is captured and for the elite this adrenachrome is then consumed , think fountain of youth ! The children are murdered as part of a satanic ritual .

Do some research and you will be shocked .

 

[Finis Autem Spero]

If people died how would they be able to make money? They want us to live and breed.

There it is.

There is no single organisation in control of everthing. I used to believe such, but it's become apparent that greed and a lust for power is what motivates many in the upper echelons of society. They may not be coordinating with each other, but they're driven by the same things that lead them to do things that little by little make life shitter for us at the bottom, but increase their wealth.

They take lessons from the past to prevent or extinguish any kind of social uprising because their power is fragile and only kept in place by the complacency of the majority. Keep us busy enough with long work hours with as little pay as they can get away with and distracted enough with psychologically addictive media and we wont have time or energy to fight for our slowly eroding rights. Have an armed security force (the police, army if it gets bad enough) to put people down if they get out of hand. Sell us the beautiful lie that things are great and many are so desparate that they accept it.

On a more positive note, this can't happen indefinitely (Yay second law of thermodynamics!). They will try to eke out whatever they can to be able to exert their will on the world for as long as possible. Ultimately, they will wipe us all out. Not intentionally but as a consequence of their past actions.

Proponents of various political ideologies will say that capitalism is the fariest or communism is the fairest or whatever-ism is the fairest. Hell, maybe any of them would be great if it weren't a redundant discussion. There have always been, and always will be, people who will exploit any system for their own benefit to the detriment of others. All political ideologies are fucking pointless and any sense of control anyone claims is a goddamn illusion.

I just want off the ride before it gets too bad.

 

[Iloveyouall]

There it is.

There is no single organisation in control of everthing. I used to believe such, but it's become apparent that greed and a lust for power is what motivates many in the upper echelons of society. They may not be coordinating with each other, but they're driven by the same things that lead them to do things that little by little make life shitter for us at the bottom, but increase their wealth.

They take lessons from the past to prevent or extinguish any kind of social uprising because their power is fragile and only kept in place by the complacency of the majority. Keep us busy enough with long work hours with as little pay as they can get away with and distracted enough with psychologically addictive media and we wont have time or energy to fight for our slowly eroding rights. Have an armed security force (the police, army if it gets bad enough) to put people down if they get out of hand. Sell us the beautiful lie that things are great and many are so desparate that they accept it.

On a more positive note, this can't happen indefinitely (Yay second law of thermodynamics!). They will try to eke out whatever they can to be able to exert their will on the world for as long as possible. Ultimately, they will wipe us all out. Not intentionally but as a consequence of their past actions.

Proponents of various political ideologies will say that capitalism is the fariest or communism is the fairest or whatever-ism is the fairest. Hell, maybe any of them would be great if it weren't a redundant discussion. There have always been, and always will be, people who will exploit any system for their own benefit to the detriment of others. All political ideologies are fucking pointless and any sense of control anyone claims is a goddamn illusion.

I just want off the ride before it gets too bad.

I agree on everything except that They and Us are the same. It's entire mankind that is "trapped" in this dynamic, it's only our different perspectives that makes us feel there are differences but it's an illusion. The "powerfuls" are proletarians as well.

 

[Inferdan]

Adrenochrome, The Drug Of The Elite: They Obtain It By Torturing Children

Adrenochrome, a chemical known by 'modern science" since at least the 1930s, it is a chemical compound with the molecular formula C9H9NO3. Adrenochrome is produced by the oxidation of adrenaline (epinephrine) in mammals. The chemical concentrates in the body during times of extreme fe

thetruthrevolution.net

This is factual and not a conspiracy theory , these people are sick and hopefully their world will collapse , I would add that it's taking too long for them to be brought to justice .
Anthony Weiners laptop had photos of children that made seasoned NYP detectives vomit , yes that's how bad it is !
The elites , Hollywood and the Vatican , these people are sick .
Jeffrey Epstein was involved and used his private island for this practice and it goes deeper , was he filming those elites who had partaken in the rituals and then bribed them , it has been stated that he worked with Mossad !
Epstein knew too much , his alleged suicide in prison a cover up and why did the Atorney General Barr visit him in prison , this was unprecedented.
Prince Andrew was involved with Epstein and anyone who watched his interview where he tried to claim innocence and failed miserably.
Trafficking of children worldwide who are then tortured to induce adrenaline flow in the bloodstream, their blood is captured and for the elite this adrenachrome is then consumed , think fountain of youth ! The children are murdered as part of a satanic ritual .

Do some research and you will be shocked .
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Does the Bohemian Grove have to do with this? And the owl diety they supposedly worship and sacrifice to? All I know is Hillary Clinton is a part of that. Also, youre telling me al those names are people who take part in this?

 

[Iloveyouall]

Does the Bohemian Grove have to do with this? And the owl diety they supposedly worship and sacrifice to? All I know is Hillary Clinton is a part of that. Also, youre telling me al those names are people who take part in this?

People who have "everything" according to society needs other stuff to accomplish themselves even more. Psychopath elite might do horrible things but they are just fetishes, those stuff might be real but they are just symptoms.
Bohemian Grove is basically a summer camp for the American elite.

 

[Inferdan]

People who have "everything" according to society needs other stuff to accomplish themselves even more. Psychopath elite might do horrible things but they are just fetishes, those stuff might be real but they are just symptoms.

Agreed. I just want to learn, really. Can't say much righ now, not thinking straight at the moment

 

[Iloveyouall]

As elite people have influence and want to gather more influence on different parts of the society structures, they need to meet in places where they can talk freely. Their discussions and so their plans have to stay secret as they consist mostly in conspiring against other powerful members of society to steal their place and influence too in somewhat fantasized pyramid. It's like a game that gone way too far as regular people are actually considered as assets and basically a currency in their mind.
There are plenty of those places and clubs, depending on their locations, on their spirituality, believes and objectives. It goes from pure wealthy economic private meetings like Rotary club, Bilderberg group or the Trilateral commission for example to more mystic ones like the Free Masonry, Bohemian Groves, Kabbala, Sabbatians or even some witchcraft and magick cults with a great variety of schools of belief. Those kind of clubs exists since centuries on different forms, with influence, objectives and structures evolving as society evolves. Christians under Roman Empire were considered as a conspiring secret society for example.
The common features of all this groups are the network connections that they provide to the members and the secrecy as some members may be involved in illegal stuff or unpolitically correct activities.
It's easy to fantasize about those groups because of their secrecy and it helps coping with the world state as it provides a somewhat identifiable enemy but unfortunately the reality is way more deep, dark and terrifying.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

As elite people have influence and want to gather more influence on different parts of the society structures, they need to meet in places where they can talk freely. Their discussions and so their plans have to stay secret as they consist mostly in conspiring against other powerful members of society to steal their place and influence too in somewhat fantasized pyramid. It's like a game that gone way too far as regular people are actually considered as assets and basically a currency in their mind.
There are plenty of those places and clubs, depending on their locations, on their spirituality, believes and objectives. It goes from pure wealthy economic private meetings like Rotary club, Bilderberg group or the Trilateral commission for example to more mystic ones like the Free Masonry, Bohemian Groves, Kabbala, Sabbatians or even some witchcraft and magick cults with a great variety of schools of belief. Those kind of clubs exists since centuries on different forms, with influence, objectives and structures evolving as society evolves. Christians under Roman Empire were considered as a conspiring secret society for example.
The common features of all this groups are the network connections that they provide to the members and the secrecy as some members may be involved in illegal stuff or unpolitically correct activities.
It's easy to fantasize about those groups because of their secrecy and it helps coping with the world state as it provides a somewhat identifiable enemy but unfortunately the reality is way more deep, dark and terrifying.

Well said. You just eloquently summarised the reply I've been trying to pen for a while, but kept getting distracted. That last bit in particular resonates. The reality is actually worse than the conspiracy theories.

 

[Inferdan]

As elite people have influence and want to gather more influence on different parts of the society structures, they need to meet in places where they can talk freely. Their discussions and so their plans have to stay secret as they consist mostly in conspiring against other powerful members of society to steal their place and influence too in somewhat fantasized pyramid. It's like a game that gone way too far as regular people are actually considered as assets and basically a currency in their mind.
There are plenty of those places and clubs, depending on their locations, on their spirituality, believes and objectives. It goes from pure wealthy economic private meetings like Rotary club, Bilderberg group or the Trilateral commission for example to more mystic ones like the Free Masonry, Bohemian Groves, Kabbala, Sabbatians or even some witchcraft and magick cults with a great variety of schools of belief. Those kind of clubs exists since centuries on different forms, with influence, objectives and structures evolving as society evolves. Christians under Roman Empire were considered as a conspiring secret society for example.
The common features of all this groups are the network connections that they provide to the members and the secrecy as some members may be involved in illegal stuff or unpolitically correct activities.
It's easy to fantasize about those groups because of their secrecy and it helps coping with the world state as it provides a somewhat identifiable enemy but unfortunately the reality is way more deep, dark and terrifying.

I'll admit something that I probably shouldn't. I've met someone who actually figured out the truth. Not in contact anymore, they disappeared suddenly and didnt come back online, but they knew the reality of the world itself. Didn't tell me everything, but they lived a stressful life of staying under the radar. Laying low. Whatever it was, it's ruined them. They've begged me not to pursue it, but all I know is the first step to figuring it out is to lucid dream and find something. That's it.

 

[mesohappy]

I dont think you are much of a detective..Yes, there are things people do out there that will make your stomach turn..But becareful chasing conspiracies..Sometimes the chase will make you more mad than the madness you were trying to pursue.

 

[bpdandme]

Even if the theory is not true - the elite, powerful and super rich subconsciously do control the world. They have power in media and the economy, such as funding political groups and owning the media to choose what we see. The corona virus has shown us that things such as austerity are a conscious choice not a political need. The people who are higher up want there to be a hierarchy which will inevitably kill off the poorest and most vulnerable in society.

 

[Iloveyouall]

I'll admit something that I probably shouldn't. I've met someone who actually figured out the truth. Not in contact anymore, they disappeared suddenly and didnt come back online, but they knew the reality of the world itself. Didn't tell me everything, but they lived a stressful life of staying under the radar. Laying low. Whatever it was, it's ruined them. They've begged me not to pursue it, but all I know is the first step to figuring it out is to lucid dream and find something. That's it.

Pretty intriguing. I consider myself a materialist person as I never experienced any spiritual or mystical thing in my life (not to my knowledge at least) so I don't quite understand what this person was talking about. What I'm certain is some of those groups are real and some people in them can be very dangerous and influential so you shouldn't mess with them because when you start it's too late and very bad things can happen. Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer.

 

[Inferdan]

Pretty intriguing. I consider myself a materialist person as I never experienced any spiritual or mystical thing in my life (not to my knowledge at least) so I don't quite understand what this person was talking about. What I'm certain is some of those groups are real and some people in them can be very dangerous and influential so you shouldn't mess with them because when you start it's too late and very bad things can happen. Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer.

You sound very similar to them. I, for one, also believe of what's in front of me, but this person has always been in my thoughts. They were lonely from not talking to anyone, so I guess I did what I could to brighten their day. Hope they arent suffering right now.

 

[Iloveyouall]

You sound very similar to them. I, for one, also believe of what's in front of me, but this person has always been in my thoughts. They were lonely from not talking to anyone, so I guess I did what I could to brighten their day. Hope they arent suffering right now.

Fortunately for me I'm not involved with any of those groups and I want to keep it that way. It's very kind from you to have tried helping those people and I hope they are doing ok too.

 

[Cashewmilk]

2 births for every death

Oh yeah there's an elite group out there. They meet at bohemian Grove every year. (Sorry can go on and on about this topic if allowed) They want more money and power. Whether we are alive or dead isn't a huge deal for them because rhere's what 7 billion humans on the planet? With every death there is a birth.

Op they don't want us dead. They need us alive and addicted and suffering so we are slaves to them and keep working and keep manufacturing everything they want. They're called the 1%. The 1% rules the 99%. Suicide is taboo because it's taking away a slave, they need us, for everything, healthcare, research, science, service, administrative, factory workers, creators, miners, construction workers, prostitution, politics, anything you can think of that enables them to sit on their butts and collect all the blood money.

The elites wouldn't be elites without a large population of drones slaving away for them. Suicide is discouraged because it is destruction of government property.

Exactly. We are government property from the moment we're born. Parents who breed are the stupidest blindest people to give them more children to enslave.

 

[Skyview]

Does the Bohemian Grove have to do with this? And the owl diety they supposedly worship and sacrifice to? All I know is Hillary Clinton is a part of that. Also, youre telling me al those names are people who take part in this?

Bohemian Grove members are male only invites which includes past presidents such as Nixon , Reagan and powerful elites . Invitations may be for a day or two and some members are invited for the duration.
The owl diety ; it is referred to moloch and who is this diety they worship , it cannot be a figment of imagination if the most powerful worship this person .
It is at this point you are now approaching the infamous rabbit hole, but wait , before you take a few more steps to reach the hole , do you really want to travel down this path and explore the unknown which by definition is the hidden narrative to which the majority of the world's population is naive through no fault of their own for the simple reason it's all orchestrated through manipulation, namely the media which 'they' control .

The list of people have nothing to do with Bohemian Grove , Epstein and others close to him procured children for sexual fantasy for those elites who desired sex , let's say a 5 year old girl or boy or a 12 yr old boy or girl and afterwards the child is sacrificed.
People were unaware the Epstein had hidden cameras and blackmail enters the arena . It's all about control and obviously Epstein was protected by powerful allies.

Easiest way to manipulate people ; " it's all a conspiracy theory " which diverts attention and people essentially accept this hence the use of the word "sheep" or " sheeple " . Within conspiracy forums subterfuge rears its head to maximize incredulity and it works so perfectly that those who spout theories are called the " tin foil hat brigade" and are often laughed at even though there might be an element of truth within their theory .

At this point you are just peering into the rabbit hole and have time to turn around and walk away LOL , @Iloveyouall correctly stated some of the groups involved and also supplied this piece of information " It's easy to fantasize about those groups because of their secrecy and it helps coping with the world state as it provides a somewhat identifiable enemy but unfortunately the reality is way more deep, dark and terrifying " .

Truer words have never been more spoken , deep , dark and terrifying !
Thankfully people are blissfully unaware of what has occurred and still occurs to this day which is revenge against the populace. I should add that this is something i'm not prepared to address , at this point you either know or you don't ! I would be very surprised if you do !

You mentioned Clinton , look up " Arkancide" if you haven't already , quite an interesting read which again only scratches the surface .

The so called elites use gaming forums to hide communications and use codes such as "walnut sauce" ( adrenochrome) which is adrenal glands covered in blood and does resemble a walnut , when someone states that they loved your " walnut sauce " you now know what they are talking about !

 

[Iloveyouall]

it cannot be a figment of imagination if the most powerful worship this person .

Why not ? The most powerful are as stupid as everyone. They are still just dumb meat bags.

 

[Skyview]

Why not ? The most powerful are as stupid as everyone. They are still just dumb meat bags.

How can you possibly arrive at this conclusion, we are talking about elites who control the Western Hemisphere , some are trillionaires and many are billionaires and you will never see their names published within Forbes 100 .

To quote A.C.D ;
" It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence .
It biases the judgement " !

Arguably it is indeed just a statue and people fail to comprehend its significance and why it is worshipped.
Elites fly in from around the world to waste their time worshipping a concrete statue because they have nothing better to do , I don't think so !

Why is the owl (statue) hidden on the dollar bill , look it up on the web and you will see it hidden above the number one on the top right corner . The cabal own the federal reserve , coincidence ?

I shall leave another quote , this one is from Sapkowski ;

" People mistake the stars reflected in a pond for the night sky " .

 

[Iloveyouall]

Elites fly in from around the world to waste their time worshipping a concrete statue because they have nothing better to do , I don't think so !

There are millions of people who fly to Mecca every year just to make circles around a piece of meteorite. This is as much as ridiculous.

How can you possibly arrive at this conclusion, we are talking about elites who control the Western Hemisphere , some are trillionaires and many are billionaires and you will never see their names published within Forbes 100 .

Most of these persons inherited their fortune and position and wealth doesn't make people especially intelligent.

Why is the owl (statue) hidden on the dollar bill , look it up on the web and you will see it hidden above the number one on the top right corner . The cabal own the federal reserve , coincidence ?

Yeah and the owl is outside of the web. I know all that. Thing is their symbols are in plain sight. I'm not even talking about the pyramid, I'm talking about the "In God we trust" because God is actually Money. What drove mankind to this point without being noticed even if it's in plain sight and everywhere is Money. No one is over Money and ways of Money are impenetrable.

Arguably it is indeed just a statue and people fail to comprehend its significance and why it is worshipped.

The owl is the symbol of knowledge and wisdom because it can see and hunt in the dark night. FM reused it as during inquisition, their knowledge of math, philosophy and paganism was forbidden by the church. It match with luciferism as Lucifer has the gift to see things that can't be known, that can't be seen, like an owl in the night. Fascination for Lucifer has born as a reaction against catholic church. Those wealthy people now don't even understand anything they are doing when they worship this statue, they just go there to meet each other and discuss business face to face so none of their "enemies" or competitors can hear what they are saying by wiring their cellphones. It's like western people who put a tree in their living room for christmas, nobody knows where it come from but it's actually an old germanic paganist ritual where we used to burn a tree or something for when the sun reborn at the end of winter solstice.
Of course there is the magick part of all those rituals but we don't know if it works for real, some says it exists, some don't. Like the child sacrifices, the final goal is not to make the kid suffer, the goal is to make an entity coming because children are supposed to be open doors to the hidden world. So when a kid suffer, demons or however you call them are supposed to be incarnated, called by the suffering of the portal so it can come to our world and give power to the practitioners. Most of the people who practice this kind of horror don't give a shit about the entities and magick, they are just demented sadist fuckers.

Those people are as much demented and delusional as everyone. It's just that they are wealthy so regular people as always are fascinated because people deep inside worship and are driven by wealth and money without even knowing it.
The reality is deep, dark and terrifying because it is actually too much simple to be so atrocious.

 

[magick'sgone]

Perhaps we are alive to be harvested of emotional energy or some such thing that we can't comprehend. Lord knows they've rinsed me for all I've got.

 

[Veroski]

Suicide is bad for business, they need us working to line their pockets

 

[magick'sgone]

Maybe the act of dying releases something. Hence the concept of sacrifice, manufactured wars, diseases etc. When stocks run low, instigate death. Suicide is like a regular, predictable trickle of whatever gets released.