Psychology is a pseudoscience and makes things worse

[L951788]

There is no actual science in psychology. They can stir up together as many words and definitions as they like that all "fit" together like any other ideology or religion but at the end of the day all real-world applications are complete nonsense.

And to be quite honest, it is gaslighting. And they need to keep gaslighting in order to ensure the continuation of their own profession and make money.

Psychologist: "You're thinking x and y."
Person: "No I'm not."
Psychologist: "Yes you are. I have a degree in this. You have poor insight. And a disorder. See your refusal or acknowledgment of my observation? That's called a disorder. Now we need to treat you indefinitely to give you better insight."
Person: ???

This is how it always goes. I cannot believe the psych industry which includes psychiatry is allowed to flourish in modern societies. It is completely evil and has set itself up to be an unbeatable dynamic. More so than any government or group of power, the psych industry has cemented itself as the biggest threat of removing all personal freedoms and human rights from people. Including the right to the truth and validity of your own thoughts and feelings.

PS: This post is also dedicated to the two goobers who said I had "Somatic Symptom Disorder" which was then medically proven to be wrong. And also of the guy I paid to see who typed up a 10-page report filled with typos simply guessing at how I felt about everything in life and all these problems I apparently have.

I'm not religious but at least when you go talk about your problems to a priest they won't A) Charge you money, B) Attempt to label you, or C) Give you mind and body-altering drugs for which there is no concrete diagnostic, scan, or any type of science for.

For the love of god, whatever god you believe or don't believe in, go talk to a priest or a rabbi or an imam. Stay away from the other evil predators.

One of the Catholic priest abusers even abused a now-deceased relative of mine, and despite the rightful scandal of all the people they've abused, where is the scandal for the countless lives and tremendous amounts of suffering on the hands of anyone in the Western psych industry? It better come. Most days I keep myself alive it is because of anger. And I want nothing more than for these phonies to get what they deserve.

 

[Futile]

Psychology is complete bullshit. You have to pay an insane amount of money just so some random white girl, who never had any real problem in her life, can tell you to think positive and everythig will fixed.

It's even funnier when they insist that external problems (like systematic oppression of any kind) are still your responsibility. "I know everyone you meet hates you, but it's you that have to not think about it, they have no fault"

And I'm not even talking about those that give you pills, that's straight up brainwashing

 

[Makko]

Anything psychology-related I've come across reads like superstitious hocus-pocus. Statistics and observations are alright, but that's where the science ends. The conclusions drawn from the data seem strangely fanciful and arbitrary, and largely non-falsifiable. We are really nowhere close to grasping the human mind and how it should be understood. In this area we're still on the level of stone age medicine men trying to cure snake bites with magical rituals.

 

[L951788]

You have to pay an insane amount of money just so some random white girl, who never had any real problem in her life, can tell you to think positive and everythig will fixed.

Lmao. Psych majors in a nutshell.

 

[Frauw]

You aren't supposed to tell the normies that haven't been through the mental health care system that :(

 

[Emily_Numb]

Psychology is complete bullshit. You have to pay an insane amount of money just so some random white girl, who never had any real problem in her life, can tell you to think positive and everythig will fixed.

It's even funnier when they insist that external problems (like systematic oppression of any kind) are still your responsibility. "I know everyone you meet hates you, but it's you that have to not think about it, they have no fault"

And I'm not even talking about those that give you pills, that's straight up brainwashing

Why make a point of saying 'white girl'? Offensive, sexist and racist.

 

[L951788]

Why make a point of saying 'white girl'? Offensive, sexist and racist.

Idk I think it was pretty funny and accurate lol

 

[Emily_Numb]

Idk I think it was pretty funny and accurate lol

Sad

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

Psychology mostly harms people and has for its entire existence. It unfortunately has little credibility in providing practical solutions to alleviate peoples suffering and often pushes people closer to suicide. The profession itself doesn't even have a good grasp on morality much less dealing with a lifetime of trauma.

If I had the money I'd be performing MDMA therapy on myself or going to a underground therapist without a license that does it; by the book therapy is mostly a waste of time for me. What bothers me the most is that "normal" people treat Psychology as though it's the solution to poverty, abuse, homelessness, racism, etc all because their trivial problems were "cured" in a therapy room in 3 months.

 

[WornOutLife]

I've been different therapists for 10 years and my only conclusion is: they SUCK.
I only keep on going so that I can still be free and live alone.

 

[Deleted member 22624]

Anything psychology-related I've come across reads like superstitious hocus-pocus. Statistics and observations are alright, but that's where the science ends. The conclusions drawn from the data seem strangely fanciful and arbitrary, and largely non-falsifiable. We are really nowhere close to grasping the human mind and how it should be understood. In this area we're still on the level of stone age medicine men trying to cure snake bites with magical rituals.

Indeed, don't put down rituals. They have placebo affects as good as any antidepressant

 

[whywere]

I have said this before on here as far as psychology is nothing more than charging alot of money. It has NEVER EVER done anything for me but make my wallet much lighter. I agree with@WornOutLife that they SUCK. More than once when i used to go to them, they would look up at the clock and cut me off in midsentence and ask if I wanted another appointment. All about the benies$$$$$$$$$$.

 

[Makko]

Indeed. Don't put down rituals. They have placebo affects as good as any antidepressant

Yes, but the catch is that for rituals to have placebo effect, you have believe in the magic without reservation. The non-sceptical believers mostly seem to be the magicians themselves (the psychologists), not their patients, who are erroneously expecting tangible and material effects. Sort of kills the voodoo.

 

[ZardozOmega]

My experience with psychologists have been fairly positive, it's just that my narcissism prevents me from being honest with them and from tell them the truth. But even if I could be honest, my problems simply cannot be solved.

 

[tra]

I do not agree with your complete rejection of psychology and psychiatry. I am sorry that you had bad experiences and I can very much relate to your point of view. Especially psychiatric wards can be incredible damaging. (I was forcefully admitted to one when I was a child. Felt like I was doing a four month sentence in a child prison for the crime of being depressed.)

There undoubtedly needs to be a lot of research done on mental health disorders and there are lot of unhelpful therapists that are not able to properly support anyone that has worse issues than light depression or relationship problems. And of course, a lot of mental health issues are connected to societal problems that are just out of control of the sick individual and require radical political change.

However, there a lot of different types of therapy and some approaches clearly help people. Personally, I have found to like therapists who are more of a life coach - who are not asking you questions about past and trying to connect your childhood experiences to your current state every session, but rather help you to accept your current situation and see what you are able to do right now to improve it. Questioning negative thoughts and finding out where they stem from and if they are realistic, helping to develop good coping strategies and routines.

That being said, I cancelled my last therapy and I am still suicidal to be honest. But I might pick up therapy again when I feel ready and just try once more, mostly for the sake of my loved ones.

 

[aneurysm]

(This is not to disagree with anyone, simply to complement)

I understand everyone's opinion on this matter, that psychologists are a waste of money etc but without them, society would be in deep trouble. At least, illnesses such as anxiety and depression are, *thanks to them*, recodnized as illnesses.

And if we are to be honest, most sciences use placebo. For example, for anything big to work, multiple people have to believe that it works. A single human cannot create anything big, he always need others people's approval and it's the case for every single form of science.

Cooperation of others is essential, therefore it could be said that most sciences use placebo. For example, for 2+2 to be 4, others have to agree. Even mathematicians know that maths are relatives (but it might be hard for some people to perceive how).

I too feel like psychologists suck at their job, and that psychology is nowhere as efficient as it could be, however, I would rather see my money go in their hands, in the hands of humans who care about the human mind and wellbeing than in the hands of people who only care about productivity and replacing us with robots.

 

[L951788]

(This is not to disagree with anyone, simply to complement)

I understand everyone's opinion on this matter, that psychologists are a waste of money etc but without them, society would be in deep trouble. At least, illnesses such as anxiety and depression are, *thanks to them*, recodnized as illnesses.

And if we are to be honest, most sciences use placebo. For example, for anything big to work, multiple people have to believe that it works. A single human cannot create anything big, he always need others people's approval and it's the case for every single form of science.

Cooperation of others is essential, therefore it could be said that most sciences use placebo. For example, for 2+2 to be 4, others have to agree. Even mathematicians know that maths are relatives (but it might be hard for some people to perceive how).

I too feel like psychologists suck at their job, and that psychology is nowhere as efficient as it could be, however, I would rather see my money go in their hands, in the hands of humans who care about the human mind and wellbeing than in the hands of people who only care about productivity and replacing us with robots.

I respect this view

 

[Deleted member 25508]

i think psychiatry is mostly bullshit but i think psychology is a somewhat accurate framework for predicting people's behaviors.

when pills get added into the equation is when i start having a problem with it

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

i think psychiatry is mostly bullshit but i think psychology is a somewhat accurate framework for predicting people's behaviors.

when pills get added into the equation is when i start having a problem with it

Add force, coercion, and threats into the equation while you're at it which Psychology is no stranger to.

However, there a lot of different types of therapy and some approaches clearly help people. Personally, I have found to like therapists who are more of a life coach - who are not asking you questions about past and trying to connect your childhood experiences to your current state every session, but rather help you to accept your current situation and see what you are able to do right now to improve it. Questioning negative thoughts and finding out where they stem from and if they are realistic, helping to develop good coping strategies and routines.

While I respect your opinion and can understand that having a life coach may be helpful to some people; it does little to nothing for peoples lives who are being destroyed by a variety of situational stressors that the person can't control. There are many people here who are completely debilitated by the things that happened to them to the point that they are incapable of working or live in a abusive household meaning that realistically a life coach is going to do next to nothing for them.

Many of the people here aren't children and they don't need to be told to go on a nature walk, deep breathe, journal, or whatever "coping" method that doesn't actually help them with their situation. Telling people to help themselves with generic life advice is frankly a shitty and irresponsible approach both from Psychology/Psychiatry & from society itself. People will keep committing suicide until they get tangible forms of relief from external sources to help them deal with their situations.

From a user on here:

Pro lifers need to stop blaming the victim, and also need to stop this nonsense of 'just get help', etc. The so-called help out there with counseling, shrinks, rarely works for most people. It's an illusion of 'help' for many.

When I could no longer afford any counseling, my counselor could care less when I didn't have the money. The counseling didn't even really help, all these people have told me over the years is...

"have you tried deep breathing or meditation? Have you tried journaling?" Oh yeah, that'll definitely completely turn things around for me...seriously?!?

Ohhh... Umm, SURE... if I just "journal and breathe differently", I will suddenly no longer be in physical pain, or suffer from having almost no family, and my PTSD will just magically disappear if I just "journal and meditate"?

Do we really have to pay money for people to pretend to ''care"??? So that's "getting help"?!? Counselors and shrinks are a complete waste of my time my entire life, and I gave them a chance. They are just human beings that take your money in exchange for asking stupid questions and use idiotic theories that don't even work in REALITY.

I really did try everything they said even though I thought it was an unintelligent approach, I tried all levels of counselors, shrinks, medications, everything. Even when I disagreed internally, years ago I still tried to follow whatever formula they suggested.

Absolutely nothing ever worked. Nothing. None of their little ideas or approaches even put a dent in it. I also have a university degree in Psychology. It's a subjective science that constantly fluctuates and is based merely on opinions.

This only avenue of so-called "help" is NOT helping.

It's a fallacy and an ILLUSION.

 

[Going Home]

There is no actual science in psychology. They can stir up together as many words and definitions as they like that all "fit" together like any other ideology or religion but at the end of the day all real-world applications are complete nonsense.

And to be quite honest, it is gaslighting. And they need to keep gaslighting in order to ensure the continuation of their own profession and make money.

Psychologist: "You're thinking x and y."
Person: "No I'm not."
Psychologist: "Yes you are. I have a degree in this. You have poor insight. And a disorder. See your refusal or acknowledgment of my observation? That's called a disorder. Now we need to treat you indefinitely to give you better insight."
Person: ???

This is how it always goes. I cannot believe the psych industry which includes psychiatry is allowed to flourish in modern societies. It is completely evil and has set itself up to be an unbeatable dynamic. More so than any government or group of power, the psych industry has cemented itself as the biggest threat of removing all personal freedoms and human rights from people. Including the right to the truth and validity of your own thoughts and feelings.

PS: This post is also dedicated to the two goobers who said I had "Somatic Symptom Disorder" which was then medically proven to be wrong. And also of the guy I paid to see who typed up a 10-page report filled with typos simply guessing at how I felt about everything in life and all these problems I apparently have.

Death to psychiatrists. Death to psychologists. A long and gruesome one at that.

I'm not religious but at least when you go talk about your problems to a priest they won't A) Charge you money, B) Attempt to label you, or C) Give you mind and body-altering drugs for which there is no concrete diagnostic, scan, or any type of science for.

For the love of god, whatever god you believe or don't believe in, go talk to a priest or a rabbi or an imam. Stay away from the other evil predators.

One of the Catholic priest abusers even abused a now-deceased relative of mine, and despite the rightful scandal of all the people they've abused, where is the scandal for the countless lives and tremendous amounts of suffering on the hands of anyone in the Western psych industry? It better come. Most days I keep myself alive it is because of anger. And I want nothing more than for these phonies to get what they deserve.

They love to tell you what you're thinking or feeling with their credentials that don't amount to anything as far as I'm concerned.

 

[DrWh033]

Psychology has nothing to do with Psychiatry. One is a bachelor degree of 3 years the other is a medical specialty that in most countries require 11-12 years of studies plus the extra training to get the accreditation for psychotherapy cognitive behavioral therapy etc.
The amount of bulshit in this thread is breathtaking.
First of all you dont understand the basic difference between psychology and psychiatry. Imagine how ignorant you are.
Yes mental disorders are not cured at the moment but there has been some progress compared to the past where most of you in this thread would have been tied down on a bed, burned on a stake, exorcised by some priest-shaman or received lobotomy. Ketamine is promising for MDD. Genetic mapping will point out which parts of the neurotransmitter/neuroreceptor process is damaged. Some drugs have saved peoples' lives. CBT has helped some others.
If you are dissappointed by the healthcare of your country regarding mental disease, it says little about the substance or not of a science or a medical specialty.
If you have a bad therapist, it also says little. Find a new one.
You are welcome to seek professional help from a priest, a shaman, a life coach, a spiritual reiki healer, a yogi, a cult leader or any other spiritual individual that has not step a foot at a university or opened a book in their lives.

 

[CosmicVoid]

Psychology is bullshit. The majority of therapists don't even pretend that they're using some kind of scientific model to diagnose you, they just make shit up on the go to fit the narrative of your problems, kind of like fortune tellers. The biggest lie is that they make it seem as if every problem is "in your head" and therefore they can solve it. Most people who are depressed have some kind of problems in their lives; those problems are outside of their control and they know all they can do is watch their life crumble down, so being depressed is a completely natural reaction to this bullshit world.

 

[Spiral]

Psychology is bullshit. The majority of therapists don't even pretend that they're using some kind of scientific model to diagnose you, they just make shit up on the go to fit the narrative of your problems, kind of like fortune tellers. The biggest lie is that they make it seem as if every problem is "in your head" and therefore they can solve it. Most people who are depressed have some kind of problems in their lives; those problems are outside of their control and they know all they can do is watch their life crumble down, so being depressed is a completely natural reaction to this bullshit world.

I can relate to that so much, its what I really want when I look for help with my depression (which I know is ridiculous) but I want them to change the world and make it better. Instead, they just try to force to take placebo drugs without even giving me a diagnosis. If they cannot change the world I would settle for just a diagnosis but its not easy to get one in the uk at this time
Does anyone else sometimes wonder if we are not even ill? like what if we just see things how they really are and its the other people who are not depressed who are crazy?

 

[DrWh033]

Psychology is bullshit. The majority of therapists don't even pretend that they're using some kind of scientific model to diagnose you, they just make shit up on the go to fit the narrative of your problems, kind of like fortune tellers. The biggest lie is that they make it seem as if every problem is "in your head" and therefore they can solve it. Most people who are depressed have some kind of problems in their lives; those problems are outside of their control and they know all they can do is watch their life crumble down, so being depressed is a completely natural reaction to this bullshit world.

Then stop going to therapy.

I can relate to that so much, its what I really want when I look for help with my depression (which I know is ridiculous) but I want them to change the world and make it better. Instead, they just try to force to take placebo drugs without even giving me a diagnosis. If they cannot change the world I would settle for just a diagnosis but its not easy to get one in the uk at this time

Are you kidding me. You expect from a health professional to find a solution for your lack of money, bad relations with your family, your drinking problems, your lack of education of manners, your boring job, your bad wife/husband, your bad financial decisions, your anxiety etc etc
Ok so what if you get a diagnosis. Let's call what you have BOB. So what ?

 

[BeBraveBrother]

There is no actual science in psychology. They can stir up together as many words and definitions as they like that all "fit" together like any other ideology or religion but at the end of the day all real-world applications are complete nonsense.

And to be quite honest, it is gaslighting. And they need to keep gaslighting in order to ensure the continuation of their own profession and make money.

Psychologist: "You're thinking x and y."
Person: "No I'm not."
Psychologist: "Yes you are. I have a degree in this. You have poor insight. And a disorder. See your refusal or acknowledgment of my observation? That's called a disorder. Now we need to treat you indefinitely to give you better insight."
Person: ???

This is how it always goes. I cannot believe the psych industry which includes psychiatry is allowed to flourish in modern societies. It is completely evil and has set itself up to be an unbeatable dynamic. More so than any government or group of power, the psych industry has cemented itself as the biggest threat of removing all personal freedoms and human rights from people. Including the right to the truth and validity of your own thoughts and feelings.

PS: This post is also dedicated to the two goobers who said I had "Somatic Symptom Disorder" which was then medically proven to be wrong. And also of the guy I paid to see who typed up a 10-page report filled with typos simply guessing at how I felt about everything in life and all these problems I apparently have.

Death to psychiatrists. Death to psychologists. A long and gruesome one at that.

I'm not religious but at least when you go talk about your problems to a priest they won't A) Charge you money, B) Attempt to label you, or C) Give you mind and body-altering drugs for which there is no concrete diagnostic, scan, or any type of science for.

For the love of god, whatever god you believe or don't believe in, go talk to a priest or a rabbi or an imam. Stay away from the other evil predators.

One of the Catholic priest abusers even abused a now-deceased relative of mine, and despite the rightful scandal of all the people they've abused, where is the scandal for the countless lives and tremendous amounts of suffering on the hands of anyone in the Western psych industry? It better come. Most days I keep myself alive it is because of anger. And I want nothing more than for these phonies to get what they deserve.

I think that's true for Clinical Psychology, not Psychology in general. But especially if it comes from the psychodynamic field (Freud and his followers) it is quite near to a cult rather than science.
Even modern clinical constructs most often are build on that old unscientific theories, models and constructs.

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

Some quotes:

"Yes, most therapists must receive post-graduate education and certification. The education they receive is functionally like that of a priest; e.g. they are taught to view things through a very particular scope - whereas the priest is taught the lens of their particular religion, the therapist-to-be is taught the lens of contemporary psychology and its endless pathologies. Therapy in-and-of itself, is like a confessional in a church, the therapist is the priest and the patient the confessor. The patient confesses their worries and problems much like a would-be blasphemer would confess their "sins".

The sad thing is, "just put your head in the sand" is probably a pretty common response to the OPs concerns not only at mental health resources across the world, but from peers and colleagues; the patient lives in a world where being open about such things in the dehumanized, hyperindividualized public sphere typically only invites scrutiny and further alienation (likely from individuals who are just as alienated and scared as them), which increases their reliance on the therapist as much as it increases their sense of cognitive dissonance, as though they are caught between two realities in a depersonalized limbo. Of course, there's only the one reality as far as we know, but to this patient their inner world has become an enigma and its workings thoroughly mystified by an industry that portends one must go through many years of schooling and certification before they can make sense of the human mind; which is as absurd and circular claim to make as "God works in mysterious ways." - as if that explains why your toaster catching on fire this morning and the delay that caused made you miss your train commute derailing, killing everyone on board. Likewise, it is just as circular to tell someone they have a disease called "depression", which can only be treated by "trained professionals" - trained, of course, in "psychology", an invention of the human mind as much as the phrase "mental illness" with all it's implicit meanings. But the backbone of the entire practice is to be a truthclaim, much like any religion - they suppose "mental illness" to be as sacrosanct as religions hold their Gods; that is, as self-evident and infallible as a physicist would consider thermodynamics.

Perhaps it would be too radical to admit "depression" is an entirely normal reaction to a world in which one exists as a dehumanized, chronically hollowed-out wage slave whose life has been reduced to a series of empty, mindless labor and emptier consumption rituals, comforted only by addictive drugs pushed on them at every turn, and vacuous social ties of similarly hollowed out wageslaves who only know how to monologue and compete; who breathes, eats and shits microplastic, pollution and pesticides, and can't remember the last time they felt somebody actually cared if they lived or died. It'd be far too radical to admit we're living through the slow-motion collapse of the living super organism we call 'civilization' and every case of "depression" is like one little support column showing signs of giving out under the weight of a monstrosity that has become too bloated and labyrinthine for its own good. Then we'd be engaging in reality, giving the "illness" the scope it deserves, and psychology cares not for this.

The reality is, contemporary psychology functions much like a religion or a cult does, in that what one receives from it depends very much on what one puts into it - the power wielded by such organizations are directly correlate to belief of their followers. This is the power of placebo, confirmation bias, and magical thinking. If one considers their reaction to, say, climate change to be "abnormal", they merely have to walk into a therapist's office and their belief will be confirmed - their conscious experience will become a list of "symptoms" of "illness", for which they'll receive "medication". The words, the labels, the pills, they're all momentarily comforting, but none actually deal with the original problem any more than popping an Aspirin cures a raging influenza infection. That's because the entire "mental health industry" is palliative at best - worse yet, it serves at the behest of the state, which benefits massively from an industry that teaches individuals to view their life's problems through a scope that is not only decidedly apolitical but atomized as well.

Take an issue like climate change and this scope fails almost entirely - its sufficiently large-scale enough that the therapist's individualizing lens has no real answer to it. One who is trained in end-of-life therapy may have some more substantial answers that verge into decidedly philosophical territory, but most "by the book" therapists will preach willful ignorance; their role is not to create independent-thinking individuals, community leaders, politically-minded citizens or would-be revolutionaries, because they don't operate in this paradigm; an office vending machine is more communalistic than a therapist's office could ever claim to be. No, their role is to keep people complicit and complacent in the consume/work false dichotomy lifestyle for they are part of the very same paradigm, this being their work as much as preaching is a priests'. The "mental health" industry is obliged to meet the absurdity of the world it exists in and profits off of, and so existential terror becomes "eco-anxiety", another cutesy label which can be "treated" with the right combination of benzodiazepines and willful ignorance, just as a village witch doctor may have once treated "spiritual possession" with a concoction of ayahuasca and a ceremony. Now this ceremony only takes 45 minutes and $200 a week and a monthly trip to the pharmacy. Who ever said capitalism wasn't efficient?!" --Stranger from the internet

"What, then, are psychotherapists and what do they sell to or impose on their clients? Insofar as they use force, psychotherapists are judges and jailers, inquisitors and torturers; insofar as they eschew it, they are secular priests and pseudomedical rhetoricians. Their services consist of coercions and constraints imposed on individuals on behalf of other persons or social groups, or they consist of contracts and conversations entered into by individuals on their own behalf." ― Thomas Szasz, The Myth of Psychotherapy

Psychiatrists are the successors of "soul doctors", priests who dealt and deal with the spiritual conundrums, dilemmas, and vexations – the "problems in living" – that have troubled people forever.

Psychiatry's main methods are assessment, medication, conversation or rhetoric and incarceration. To the extent that psychiatry presents these problems as "medical diseases", its methods as "medical treatments", and its clients – especially involuntary – as medically ill patients, it embodies a lie and therefore constitutes a fundamental threat to freedom and dignity. Psychiatry, supported by the state through various Mental Health Acts, has become a modern secular state religion according to Szasz. It is a vastly elaborate social control system, using both brute force and subtle indoctrination, which disguises itself under the claims of being rational, systematic and therefore scientific. -Summary from Wikipedia

 

[Chupacabra 44]

I think a fundamental issue with psychiatry and psychology is those fields are basically akin to bringing a knife to a gun fight; both are under equipped.

Psychiatry offers no labs, imaging, or physical examinations for diagnostics, hence one's diagnosis is inaccurate way too often. Also, the mechanisms as to brain chemistry and how the medication options work are mostly theoretical and poorly understood. (Last I checked, the science was still unsettled as to how exactly an aspirin works). Further, the manufacturers' cherry picked studies submitted to the FDA for approval barely outperform placebo in most cases. (I've read the manufacturers data for my many of the psych meds). My psychiatrist told me this is true for all pharmaceuticals, and isn't unique to psychiatric medications. I haven't bothered to cross check this, but I take on face value that she is correct, as she was brilliant and gave me now reason to distrust.

I believe the field of psychiatry will advance with the ongoing research into the microbiome. I think new treatments based on microbiome abnormalities will lead to a whole new treatment approach, which will ultimately make psychiatric meds obsolete. Knock on wood. Who knows how long this will take. As an aside, at least one antidepressant was initially used as treatment for parasites prior to becoming utilized in the field of psychiatry.

I believe therapy works best for certain personality types. It does not work well for mine.

And, I guess I'm an exception to the stereotype, as my undergrad was in psychology, and I'm a male.

 

[Spiral]

Then stop going to therapy.

Are you kidding me. You expect from a health professional to find a solution for your lack of money, bad relations with your family, your drinking problems, your lack of education of manners, your boring job, your bad wife/husband, your bad financial decisions, your anxiety etc etc
Ok so what if you get a diagnosis. Let's call what you have BOB. So what ?

wow, you made a lot of random (and mostly incorrect) assumptions about my life lol!
If you read my message I didn't say I want them to change me or my life, I also said in brackets that I know it's ridiculous but i just have this hope that maybe if enough people go to therapy and report depression caused by the same external factors then maybe that information can be recorded and used to prove that something is wrong with the way we are expected to live. Also bear in mind I am mentally ill and discussing my mental illness to its a bit weird that you expect me to be totally logical and rational. Are you secretly a therapist who is offended by us being ungrateful?

Yes, if I get a diagnosis and they call it BOB, I won't get fired from my job when I need to work a bit differently to other people because being diagnosed with a disability gives me legal protection from discrimination in my country. If I want to just try and live a normal life and go to work like other people I will likely get fired after a week if i don't have proof from a doctor to explain why I cried when the telephone rang or why i sometimes have to refuse to talk to certain people at all if they make me feel weird ect ect... im not going to list all the ins and outs of mental illness but I'm sure most people feel better when they know what is wrong and it would also help because in my country if you have a diagnosis you can get therapy specific to your condition

Some quotes:Perhaps it would be too radical to admit "depression" is an entirely normal reaction to a world in which one exists as a dehumanized, chronically hollowed-out wage slave whose life has been reduced to a series of empty, mindless labor and emptier consumption rituals, comforted only by addictive drugs pushed on them at every turn, and vacuous social ties of similarly hollowed out wageslaves who only know how to monologue and compete; who breathes, eats and shits microplastic, pollution and pesticides, and can't remember the last time they felt somebody actually cared if they lived or died. It'd be far too radical to admit we're living through the slow-motion collapse of the living super organism we call 'civilization' and every case of "depression" is like one little support column showing signs of giving out under the weight of a monstrosity that has become too bloated and labyrinthine for its own good. Then we'd be engaging in reality, giving the "illness" the scope it deserves, and psychology cares not for this.

this is amazing! <3 so true

 

[Emily_Numb]

Psychology has nothing to do with Psychiatry. One is a bachelor degree of 3 years the other is a medical specialty that in most countries require 11-12 years of studies plus the extra training to get the accreditation for psychotherapy cognitive behavioral therapy etc.
The amount of bulshit in this thread is breathtaking.
First of all you dont understand the basic difference between psychology and psychiatry. Imagine how ignorant you are.
Yes mental disorders are not cured at the moment but there has been some progress compared to the past where most of you in this thread would have been tied down on a bed, burned on a stake, exorcised by some priest-shaman or received lobotomy. Ketamine is promising for MDD. Genetic mapping will point out which parts of the neurotransmitter/neuroreceptor process is damaged. Some drugs have saved peoples' lives. CBT has helped some others.
If you are dissappointed by the healthcare of your country regarding mental disease, it says little about the substance or not of a science or a medical specialty.
If you have a bad therapist, it also says little. Find a new one.
The fact that you typed " death to psychiatrists and psychologists" makes you a piece of shit like a lot of morons residing in this forum with the intellectual capacity of a turd. You disgust me.
You are welcome to seek professional help from a priest, a shaman, a life coach, a spiritual reiki healer, a yogi, a cult leader or any other spiritual individual that has not step a foot at a university or opened a book in their lives.

THANK YOU! It's as if I wrote this myself!
when will people in here get with the program and comprehend that a psychiatrist isn't there to sit and chat to you about the meaning of life? I feel like i'm banging my head against a wall when I explain this. They are a medical professional similar to a consultant. Therapists are like the nurses.

You need to get off your ass and change therapists if you don't find that particular one useful in anyway. Not doing so is just complacent and quite honest early, lazy. People need to take charge of their own health, well-being and recovery. You have to actively participate in this! It's not easy, it's damned hard work... But you can't expect a psychiatrist, psychologist, therapists or anyone else for that matter, drag you kicking and screaming into feeling better about life.
Folk need to stop blaming others for their situation and look inwards as see what you can do to improve your life.
Through actively trying to improve my mental health by reading up on news and researching medicines and studies, I have sought out ketamine therapy in the UK, only one place doing to at the time and made the financial and time commitment to participate in this treatment. A 2 ¾ hour drive each way once a month.

I've found this forum useful but my God, there are some people who need to stop playing the violin for themselves and TRY to sort their lives out. Seeing people talk about suicide because they don't like living at home with their parents, haven't got a job after being picky as hell or not the relevant qualifications, being dumped, not getting laid etc is mind blowing. Have some perspective ffs. Don't expect life or people owe you anything. you have to go out there and get it!

 

[TheSomebody]

some psychologists are decent and some psychiatrists as well, but the overwhelming majority are crap. Psychology is where you will have the most difficulty time finding good professionals