Resource PROOF! - VOMITING HAS *NOT* BEEN REPORTED ON THE FORUM AS A CAUSE OF SN FAILURE

[GoodPersonEffed]

Wow this is brilliant, thank you. I have been worried that not fasting could cause an issue, but it looks like as long as I don't have an orange (maybe no acidic fruits/beverages) and follow Stan's guide, I hopefully should be okay as none of the failures appeared to be because of not fasting.

Read what I quoted from Stan on my thread that has "consensus" in the title, the Stan quotes are in a comment. He explains about how the digestive system works. SN does not absorb in the stomach, it absorbs in the upper intestine, so you want it to pass quickly into the upper intestine and it can't do that if there's food in the way. That's why vomiting doesn't stop SN from working, because water passes very quickly from the stomach to the intestine, so even if some of it comes up, enough of it has passed.

 

[Meditation guide]

A second dose seems to be the ticket to CTB

It is going to take a lot of strength, fortitude, to drink down another glass of that shit after you just puked it up and are feeling the effects. What would be cool is to have someone with you to make you drink the second glass like it or not.
I'm surprised no one has tried plugging SN. It might work better who knows.

 

[rt1989526]

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ce-of-vomiting-sn-without-a-antiemetic.48934/

 

[Weary Soul]

@GoodPersonEffed - wow, that was a lot of work and very, very helpful for me. Thank you!

 

[Nimbus]

@Silasruin is the only member who took a high amount and failed, and also is the only account in which vomiting is implicated as the potential cause of failure. So I think that's another bit of misinformation on the forum, that too much SN possibly increases the chance of immediate vomiting and failure. I've made that statement in the past as well, I won't anymore. I'd advise reading that account and coming to one's own conclusions; for me, there was nothing clear in that thread about why it failed.

In fact, the more I think about it, the more unclear it is. He didn't drink all of the 60g in 150ml, he drank it in two parts, and immediately vomited after the second part, therefore he should have had enough absorbed in his system to merit needing to go to the hospital if not actually dying. I can't see 4 days of fasting having anything to do with it failing. He also said there was blue on his gums, but then the next day he said he saw it in low lighting and if could have been his imagination.

Hmmmm... makes me wonder if the SN was compromised or simply low potency.

 

[HadEnough1974]

I have been through every account of failed SN attempts. Vomiting has never been reported as a cause of SN failure.

There are only two accounts that could conceivably have been due to vomiting:

@Silasruin on 4/25/20, took 75% of 60g SN in 150 ml water, reported rapid onset vomiting and also fasted 4 days. Cause of failure was not determined.

@SomeCities on 7/4/20, rapid onset vomiting, followed Stan's Guide, had diabetes and multiple sclerosis, no hospitalization, and was banned within days after making the thread (his only thread) for having an alt account. Because of the sketchiness, the account was never added to the SN successes/failures thread, but I remembered the account and mention it here to show good faith in not seeking confirmation bias.

Out of 23 cases of reported failures, here is the breakdown of reasons for failure (70% caused by involuntary or voluntary medical intervention):

Interrupted/saved: 12
Asked for help/called emergency services: 4
Not enough SN (aborted attempt, approx. 3g and too much water): 1
Took with orange juice (no other details given except for one symptom): 1
Unknown reason: 4

Speculated reasons for each unknown:​

• Too little SN, drunk on beer
• 20g SN with 1.5L water, made own SN from sodium nitrate
• Too little SN, 10g
• @Silasruin, explained above

My source was the google document on the SN successes and failures thread, plus all of the failures reported on that thread afterward, which @Living sucks kept up with until mid-July. There have been no reported failures since, with one exception that had almost no information, reported symptoms but not vomiting, the member refused to answer questions and self-banned.

In the spoiler you'll see my analysis of all the reported SN failures. If you know of any that have been reported and were not included, please comment on this thread with the member name and a link. If there have been any failed attempts reported in chat with vomiting as the cause, please explain in comments and include the member name, date, and exact quotes with screenshots of what they said in chat. (Could that be what started the trend in the past couple months of saying that vomiting has been reported to be a main cause of SN failure?)

Spoiler: SN reported failures analysis

"None" means no or not reported. For AEs and Antacids, NO means the member specifically said they didn't take any.

Date: 2/12/18
Member: @Eden2k
Fasting: Yes, didn't say how long
SN & water amount prepared: 15 g, unknown amount of water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Drowsiness, nausea, vomiting, passed out
Other info: Vomited, passed out, woke up and had vomited while unconscious
Reason for failure: In hotel, next door heard things crashing (found on floor), staff entered and called ES
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 9/24/18
Member: @axorz
Fasting: 8 hrs
SN & water amount prepared: 17 g
SN & water amount taken: Unknown
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Meto 30mg, 30 min prior
Antacid: Tagamet
Other meds: 10 benzos
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Loss of consciousness, vomiting
Other info: Started to vomit immediately (2x), then lost consciousness about 10 seconds after taking SN
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 2/20/19
Member: @VoloFataliDoce
Fasting: Didn't report
SN & water amount prepared: A little over 15 g, DMSO didn't measure, no water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Nausea, headache, drowsiness, dizziness, passed out
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Neigbor looked in window 90 minutes after ingesting, called emergency services
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 2/26/19 - DID NOT INCLUDE SYMPTOMS IN LIST BECAUSE APPLIED TO SKIN, NOT INGESTED
Member: @Minudah
Fasting: Not reported
SN & water amount prepared: 5 teaspoons (25-28 g) SN, 100 ml DMSO, no water, applied to skin not ingested
SN & water amount taken: 1/2 of mix
Extra doses prepared: See symptoms
Extra doses taken: See symptoms
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Burned skin, dizziness, nausea, tachycardia, blurry vision, lethargy, weak vision starting to go black, headache, cold, tight chest, pressure in head. Mixed more SN in DMSO (amounts not stated), put 3/4 of mix on skin, abdominal pain, light-headed, pressure in head, muscle paine, headache, shaking, blue, nausea, chest pain
Other info: Went to ER, only said DMSO, was sent home. Returned to ER, had blue skin, did not admit to SN, was sent home.
Reason for failure: N/A
Speculated reason for failure: Mixed with DMSO, applied to skin and not ingested


Date: 3/3/19
Member: @Mich517
Fasting: Ate a lot of crisps a few hours before
SN & water amount prepared: 20 g, 100 ml DMSO, no water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Nausea, vomiting, vision wanting to turn black, noise, feeling like going to pass out, confusion, convulsing, tingling, tachycardia, deep breathing, vision right to left
Other info: No pain, a lot of vomiting after 40 minutes (also vomited earlier) no hospital, recovered
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: DMSO instead of water, didn't fast

Date: 3/12/19 - DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @Dartz
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info: Not enough info in the account
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:


Date: 3/25/19
Member: Kaluk
Fasting: 11 hours, drank a few beers before SN
SN & water amount prepared: 20 g, 100 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Nausea, dizziness, passed out (after 20-40 min)
Other info: No unpleasant side effects except for nausea and diziness
Reason for failure: Slumped onto remote, noise complaint, police 1 hour after ingestion, resuscitated in ambulance
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 4/30/19
Member: @drakewantstogo
Fasting: 8 or more hours
SN & water amount prepared: 17 g, amount of water not stated
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: 30 mg meto 1 hour before
Antacid: 225 mg Zantac
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Anxiety, blindness, dark blood, nausea, vomiting, stomach noises.
Other info: 5 minutes after ingesting had nausea, salivated, "finally puked" 3x. No drowsiness. No stomach or head pain. 6/10 peacefulness.
Reason for failure: Called emergency services
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 7/10/19
Member: @L0ne1ygh0st
Fasting: No regimen details
SN & water amount prepared: No regimen details
SN & water amount taken: No regimen details
Extra doses prepared: No regimen details
Extra doses taken: No regimen details
AE: No regimen details
Antacid: No regimen details
Other meds: No regimen details
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Vomiting, tachycardia, headache, sore throat from vomiting, lost consciousness
Other info: N/A
Reason for failure: Found by boyfriend, emergency services called
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 7/27/19
Member: @Suicidal4Ever
Fasting: Beer, got drunk, didn't report food fasting
SN & water amount prepared: 1 tablespoon (15-17g if measuring spoon), 100 ml, mixed in Tobasco for nausea
SN & water amount taken: Uncertain, said he hoped he drank enough, put in unspecified number of shot glasses, took 1 shot and sipped some of a second
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES (hours later)
Symptoms: Slept a few hours, head ringing, eyeballs pulsing, vomited 3 times, tachycardia, blue, headache, slept 1/2 a day, puked about 20 times
Other info: No emergency services
Reason for failure: Unkown
Speculated reason for failure: Too little SN, beer,

Date: 8/17/19
Member: @Funkygibbon
Fasting: None
SN & water amount prepared: 8-9 capsules, didn't measure, no water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Chlorpromazine
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Blue, pale, massive headache
Other info: No nausea, breathing problems or pain. In ER given methylene blue, sats 60%, died and revived with paddles.
Reason for failure: Interrupted - went outside for a cigarette, within 10 minutes after ingesting a neighbor walked past while smoke and noticed he was pale and his lips were blue, called emergency services.
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 8/20/19
Member: @21Neberg
Fasting: 24 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 20g 150 ml
SN & water amount taken: 10g
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting?: NO
Symptoms: Fainting, dizziness, blue
Other info: Fainted after 10 minutes, still drinking bit by bit when found
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 9/16/19
Member: @Jen0804
Fasting: Not reported
SN & water amount prepared: Not reported
SN & water amount taken: Not reported
Extra doses prepared: Not reported
Extra doses taken: Not reported
AE: Not reported
Antacid: Not reported
Other meds: Not reported
Vomiting: Not reported
Symptoms: Not reported
Other info: "Became very ill"
Reason for failure: Said reason was for taking with orange juice
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 10/4/19
Member: @Ifisieyoung
Fasting: None
SN & water amount prepared: Not stated
SN & water amount taken: A couple gulps
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Tired, hot, vomiting, lost consciousness
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Found by boyfriend a few hours after, not breathing, CPR and breathing tube by emergency services
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 9/28/19
Member: @zajebistakaczka
Fasting: Didn't report
SN & water amount prepared: 24 000 (large) size capsules, didn't state how much water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Antipsychotic
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Ringing in ears, anxiety, confusion
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 11/6/19
Member: @Notf1xable
Fasting: Not reported
SN & water amount prepared: 25 g, 100 ml
SN & water amount taken: Unknown
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: Zolfran
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Burned going down, vomited while drinking and did not finish, sweatiness, hot, dizziness, floaters in vision, body aches
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Called 911
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 1/8/20 - TESTING, NOT AN ATTEMPT
Member: @X-Kid
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info:
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 1/10/20
Member: @clover___
Fasting: Not mentioned
SN & water amount prepared: Guessed 50 g, water not mentioned
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: Baking soda
Other meds: None
Vomiting: Self-induced
Symptoms: Weakness, collapsed, nausea, fainting, blue/gray, seizures while unconscious
Other info:
Reason for failure: Found, emergency services called
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 1/11/20
Member: @Lotus
Fasting: All day
SN & water amount prepared: "According to Stan's guide"
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: 1 extra
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Vomiting, passed out, blurry vision, couldn't move or talk, methem level 68, extremely cyanotic
Other info: No pain, no breathing problems, vomiting after 20 minutes
Reason for failure: Police came in hotel room immediately after last sip, didn't know she'd been put on suicide watch
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 1/11/20 - DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @Divine Trinity
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info: No info in the account
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 1/11/20
Member: @Querry1
Fasting: 6 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 15 g, 60 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: Apap Night (sold in Poland, mix of paracetamol and antinausea med, not an AE or dopamine blocker)
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Nausea, vomiting after 20 min, unbearable pain mainly in stomach, lost consciousness after 1 hour
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Asked sister to call emergency services
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 1/13/20 - DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @Divine Trinity
Fasting: No info
SN & water amount prepared: No info
SN & water amount taken: No info
Extra doses prepared: No info
Extra doses taken: No info
AE: None
Antacid: No info
Other meds: No info
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Burning like acid reflux in esophagus and stomach
Other info: None
Reason for failure: No info
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 1/26/20 - SELF-HARM, DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @seventeenangels444
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info:
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 2/4/20
Member: @calavera
Fasting: Not mentioned
SN & water amount prepared: 20g 1.5 liters
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: 50 mg quetiapine, liquid veterinary meto
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Went to sleep, woke after 1 hour and vomited, then took sodium nitrAte with no symptoms
Other info: Made own SN out of sodium nitrate
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: 1.5 liters to 20 g of SN, made own SN


Date: 2/6/20
Member: @Johnrio
Fasting: NO
SN & water amount prepared: 25 g, approx. 250 ml
SN & water amount taken: 3 sips, approx. 3 g, stopped because of taste
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: 500 mg ibuprofen
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Gagging, tachycardia, sweatiness, confusion, dizziness
Other info: Slept 5 hours, diarrhea, drank 4 oz of water and vomited, slept 8 hours, no hospital
Reason for failure: Not enough SN
Speculated reason for failure: Also too much water


Date: 2/19/20
Member: @Justrying
Fasting: 5 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 10 g, 50 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: No
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Diarrhea, cold, nausea, noise, dizziness, blue/gray
Other info: Slept, no medical attention
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: Too little SN


Date: 2/24/20
Member: @bpdandme
Fasting: 12 hrs
SN & water amount prepared: "Stan's regimen"
SN & water amount taken: 3 out of 5 sips
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Tachycardia, light-headedness, nausea, anxiety, pale, blue, blood was dark
Other info: Reported no pain
Reason for failure: Asked someone for help, emergency services called
Speculated reason for failure: N/A
Date: 2/4/20
Member: @MysticPerception
Fasting: 7 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 1 tablespoon, 50 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: 2x 1 tablespoon, 50 ml
Extra doses taken: NO
AE: NO
Antacid: 1 Tums
Other meds: 2 Tylenol
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Stomach pain like a hot coal, dizziness, passed out, feeling like burning in intestines
Other info: N/A
Reason for failure: Called 911
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 4/25/20
Member: @Silasruin
Fasting: 4 days
SN & water amount prepared: 60 g, 150 ml
SN & water amount taken: 75%
Extra doses prepared: 20 g, 100 ml
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Domperidone and mirtaziapine
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Reflux, cold sweats, noise in head, fainted, gagging, vomiting, blue, headache, breathing difficulty/wheezing
Other info: Drank 1/2, gagged on ingestion, vomited. Drank other 1/2, violent vomiting within 1 minute. "Body rejects it immediately." Went to sleep, after waking blue skin inside lip, headache. Tested SN prior, blood turned chocolate brown. Did not seek medical attention.
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: Too much SN, four days of fasting, rapid onset vomiting

Date: 4/28/20
Member: @GoneGoneGone
Fasting: 6 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 25 g, 50-100 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Olanzapine
Antacid:
Other meds: Diazepam, xanax, zolpidem, ibuprofen
Vomiting: YES - in AE/ER
Symptoms: Tachycardia, collapsed, allergy shock, dark blood, gray, lost consciousness 20-30 min after ingestion, dizziness
Other info: N/A
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

BONUS 1:

List of reported symptoms, how many members reported each symptom, and the percentage of occurrence out of 23 reports:

52% Loss of consciousness - 12
52% Vomiting - 12
39% Blue or gray discoloration of skin - 9
34% Dizziness - 8
34% Nausea - 8
26% Tachycardia/rapid heart rate - 6
22% Headache - 5
17% Drowsiness/tiredness - 4
17% Noises (in head or ears) - 4
17% Vision issues (blurriness, eyes going back and forth, going dark, floaters, etc.) - 4
13% Anxiety - 3
13% Confusion - 3
9% Breathing difficulty or changes - 2
9% Collapsing (not loss of consciousness) - 2
9% Gagging on ingestion - 2
9% Pain - 2
9% Pale skin - 2
9% Sweatiness - 2
4% Allergy shock - 1
4% Blindness (recovered) - 1
4% Body aches - 1
4% Burning in throat - 1
4% Burning in intestines - 1
4% Cold - 1
4% Cold sweat - 1
4% Convulsions - 1
4% Couldn't move or talk - 1
4% Diarrhea - 1
4% Hot - 1
4% Light-headedness - 1
4% Reflux - 1
4% Seizures - 1
4% Stomach noises - 1
4% Tingling - 1
4% Weakness - 1


BONUS 2:

7 of the 23 members reported taking an AE.

4 vomited
1 vomited and reported nausea
2 experienced neither vomiting nor nausea
0 reported nausea but no vomiting





If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.




(Thank you, @checkouttime, for helpling me by gathering the links to the accounts on the google document!)

Love the bonuses!! Thank you for this.

 

[Gnip]

Well, @AJ95 reported her supposition that the sound and chaos caused by her vomiting woke her parents up after she took SN, so if you need to maintain quiet in order not to be interrupted and "saved," then I suggest her event to be an example of vomiting as a betraying alarm causing SN failure via the result of medical treatment intervention.

Vomiting quietly without rousing unwanted attention can be problematic, so even if regurgitating itself does not purge the body of a terminal dose of SN, it still might be best avoided unless one is completely alone or driven off to someplace remote.

She did not say she changed her mind, she said that crawling to the bathroom, turning on the light and throwing up in the toilet is what woke her parents up, upon which they, not her, called the emergency line.


https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/so-i-survived-taking-sn-heres-what-happened.52734/

 

[mapletree]

Following this thread with interest

 

[Lilacmoon]

thank you, @GoodPersonEffed for compiling all of this. this is very reassuring for me.

 

[JustABunchOfAtoms]

This is helpful information. Thank you!

 

[Holloet]

"Couldn't move or talk"
Do we have any info on why that happened?

Also, does this mean AEs aren't as necessary as we thought?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

does this mean AEs aren't as necessary as we thought

Correct. That was one of the main points for posting the OP, including the bonus about AEs.

When I posted the thread, there was a running theme on the forum that a significant portion of SN failures were due to vomiting and no AEs. This analysis says otherwise.

Well, @AJ95 reported her supposition that the sound and chaos caused by her vomiting woke her parents up after she took SN, so if you need to maintain quiet in order not to be interrupted and "saved," then I suggest her event to be an example of vomiting as a betraying alarm causing SN failure via the result of medical treatment intervention.

Respectfully, vomiting didn't cause method failure. Being heard vomiting and subsequently being rescued caused method interruption and reversal. As you mentioned further along in your comment, if one wants to succeed, then they need to not set off alarms, or they need to be where they can't be interrupted.

One guy got interrupted because he passed out on a remote control, the volume went up, and someone was alerted by the noise, so it acted as an alarm. The remote control was not added to the regimen, nor did the remote control cause the method to fail.

Sorry, don't mean to be a pedantic asshole or try to shame you or anything. It's just that by your logic, V caused xyz, when actually L (logistics) caused xyz. In the same way, if you believed the sooty footprints around the fireplace are proof that a fat man delivered presents under the tree, I'd try to point out the errors in logic about that as well, not because I'm an asshole, but because faulty logic gets one fooled and I care about others getting fooled since I don't like it being done to me -- do unto others, etc. If you didn't believe it but tried to convince gullible others that it was proof of the fat man, it still wouldn't make me an asshole to point it out, just the destroyer of preferred illusions because presents, so everyone's focus would be on me as being a jerk...except for that one kid who never really believed in the fat man story and appreciated someone finally talking some sense.

 

[timetofly]

The remote control was not added to the regimen

why though...

 

[Shotgunjohn]

thank you for this thread! im sure it was a lot of work to compile the information

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

why though...

OMG, in a minute it will be all over the forum that someone read the method is more likely to fail without a remote control nearby, something about the batteries and the wiring potentiates the method, especially recommend for people with IBS.

 

[Lost.]

I remeber in Feb here were story someone call ambulance after drinking. I would like to find that story again.

 

[Gnip]

Correct. That was one of the main points for posting the OP, including the bonus about AEs.

When I posted the thread, there was a running theme on the forum that a significant portion of SN failures were due to vomiting and no AEs. This analysis says otherwise.




Respectfully, vomiting didn't cause method failure. Being heard vomiting and subsequently being rescued caused method interruption and reversal. As you mentioned further along in your comment, if one wants to succeed, then they need to not set off alarms, or they need to be where they can't be interrupted.

One guy got interrupted because he passed out on a remote control, the volume went up, and someone was alerted by the noise, so it acted as an alarm. The remote control was not added to the regimen, nor did the remote control cause the method to fail.

Sorry, don't mean to be a pedantic asshole or try to shame you or anything. It's just that by your logic, V caused xyz, when actually L (logistics) caused xyz. In the same way, if you believed the sooty footprints around the fireplace are proof that a fat man delivered presents under the tree, I'd try to point out the errors in logic about that as well, not because I'm an asshole, but because faulty logic gets one fooled and I care about others getting fooled since I don't like it being done to me -- do unto others, etc. If you didn't believe it but tried to convince gullible others that it was proof of the fat man, it still wouldn't make me an asshole to point it out, just the destroyer of preferred illusions because presents, so everyone's focus would be on me as being a jerk...except for that one kid who never really believed in the fat man story and appreciated someone finally talking some sense.

No issues taken, no offense at all, and no apologies required. I was on something of a roll yesterday and in a contrarian mood. (When has anybody ever accused you of being any kind of asshole anyway? You are one of the most respected and civil posters here?)

Of course I stand my my assertion that vomiting had best be avoided if one is in a situation of close proximity to others and truly wants to succeed. Sometimes, silence can indeed be golden in these circumstances.

For myself, I would prefer not to die vomiting, as that is not something I have ever enjoyed doing. As LetzeAusfahrt stated, I'd like to enjoy my death.

 

[ashwin]

two days ago i tested by taking 2g sn and after 30 minutes symptoms began to kick in. heart beat increased, lip color changed also and no other symptoms when i was sitting or laying down but when i walked i began to feel that i will blackout and had blurred vision so had to lay down. even after 3 hours these symptoms were there and i vomited after 3 hours and then vomited 2 more times within the next 1 hour and after that things became normal . why it took 3 hours to vomit and will we vomit after loosing consciousness?. if i had vomited soon after taking sn then i would
not had this bad feeling. now really worried about the vomiting problem.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

two days ago i tested by taking 2g sn and after 30 minutes symptoms began to kick in. heart beat increased, lip color changed also and no other symptoms when i was sitting or laying down but when i walked i began to feel that i will blackout and had blurred vision so had to lay down. even after 3 hours these symptoms were there and i vomited after 3 hours and then vomited 2 more times within the next 1 hour and after that things became normal . why it took 3 hours to vomit and will we vomit after loosing consciousness?. if i had vomited soon after taking sn then i would
not had this bad feeling. now really worried about the vomiting problem.

Sorry if this seems uncaring, but the comment doesn't have anything to do with this thread. I'd suggest starting a new thread to discuss your experience and concerns if you'd like input from the forum.

 

[NegativeSymptoms]

What worries me the most is that you can still vomit even with AEs.

 

[Timectb40]

What about taking Suraquel before you ingest/drink the SN ?

For sure the antacid and pain killer shen you SN (i dont have access to Meto/anteanem)

Thanks to everyone who contibuted to this thread.

 

[Lovestolearn]

I'm curious what reading you did. On the forum? Elsewhere?



This is why I recommended you do the research of anecdotal accounts and come to your own conclusion. No one has a definite answer to this

Ultimately, and rationally, it's your suicide, so it's your responsibility as to how informed you are and how you make assessments and decisions.

(Not saying that in a cold way at all, btw. It's something I feel strongly about, but not in a mean way. I just don't know how to say it in a soft way in writing as I would irl, I can't add tone or facial expressions.)



The point of meto is actually to facilitate the stomach contents passing more quickly into the small intestine. I have another thread going right now about whether or not AEs are a requirement, and in researching, I found threads by Stan that explained this, and I quoted them in a comment on that thread. Therefore meto is not a big deal, and in fact the right antacid would be more of a potentiator for the method. But the method itself is enough.

I've read antacid causes you to lose consciousness at a later time which increases suffer and aRe overall unnecessary. that true?

 

[Kbeau]

I have been through every account of failed SN attempts. Vomiting has never been reported as a cause of SN failure.

There are only two accounts that could conceivably have been due to vomiting:

@Silasruin on 4/25/20, took 75% of 60g SN in 150 ml water, reported rapid onset vomiting and also fasted 4 days. Cause of failure was not determined.

@SomeCities on 7/4/20, rapid onset vomiting, followed Stan's Guide, had diabetes and multiple sclerosis, no hospitalization, and was banned within days after making the thread (his only thread) for having an alt account. Because of the sketchiness, the account was never added to the SN successes/failures thread, but I remembered the account and mention it here to show good faith in not seeking confirmation bias.

Out of 23 cases of reported failures, here is the breakdown of reasons for failure (70% caused by involuntary or voluntary medical intervention):

Interrupted/saved: 12
Asked for help/called emergency services: 4
Not enough SN (aborted attempt, approx. 3g and too much water): 1
Took with orange juice (no other details given except for one symptom): 1
Unknown reason: 4

Speculated reasons for each unknown:​

• Too little SN, drunk on beer
• 20g SN with 1.5L water, made own SN from sodium nitrate
• Too little SN, 10g
• @Silasruin, explained above

My source was the google document on the SN successes and failures thread, plus all of the failures reported on that thread afterward, which @Living sucks kept up with until mid-July. There have been no reported failures since, with one exception that had almost no information, reported symptoms but not vomiting, the member refused to answer questions and self-banned.

In the spoiler you'll see my analysis of all the reported SN failures. If you know of any that have been reported and were not included, please comment on this thread with the member name and a link. If there have been any failed attempts reported in chat with vomiting as the cause, please explain in comments and include the member name, date, and exact quotes with screenshots of what they said in chat. (Could that be what started the trend in the past couple months of saying that vomiting has been reported to be a main cause of SN failure?)

Spoiler: SN reported failures analysis

"None" means no or not reported. For AEs and Antacids, NO means the member specifically said they didn't take any.

Date: 2/12/18
Member: @Eden2k
Fasting: Yes, didn't say how long
SN & water amount prepared: 15 g, unknown amount of water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Drowsiness, nausea, vomiting, passed out
Other info: Vomited, passed out, woke up and had vomited while unconscious
Reason for failure: In hotel, next door heard things crashing (found on floor), staff entered and called ES
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 9/24/18
Member: @axorz
Fasting: 8 hrs
SN & water amount prepared: 17 g
SN & water amount taken: Unknown
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Meto 30mg, 30 min prior
Antacid: Tagamet
Other meds: 10 benzos
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Loss of consciousness, vomiting
Other info: Started to vomit immediately (2x), then lost consciousness about 10 seconds after taking SN
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 2/20/19
Member: @VoloFataliDoce
Fasting: Didn't report
SN & water amount prepared: A little over 15 g, DMSO didn't measure, no water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Nausea, headache, drowsiness, dizziness, passed out
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Neigbor looked in window 90 minutes after ingesting, called emergency services
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 2/26/19 - DID NOT INCLUDE SYMPTOMS IN LIST BECAUSE APPLIED TO SKIN, NOT INGESTED
Member: @Minudah
Fasting: Not reported
SN & water amount prepared: 5 teaspoons (25-28 g) SN, 100 ml DMSO, no water, applied to skin not ingested
SN & water amount taken: 1/2 of mix
Extra doses prepared: See symptoms
Extra doses taken: See symptoms
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Burned skin, dizziness, nausea, tachycardia, blurry vision, lethargy, weak vision starting to go black, headache, cold, tight chest, pressure in head. Mixed more SN in DMSO (amounts not stated), put 3/4 of mix on skin, abdominal pain, light-headed, pressure in head, muscle paine, headache, shaking, blue, nausea, chest pain
Other info: Went to ER, only said DMSO, was sent home. Returned to ER, had blue skin, did not admit to SN, was sent home.
Reason for failure: N/A
Speculated reason for failure: Mixed with DMSO, applied to skin and not ingested


Date: 3/3/19
Member: @Mich517
Fasting: Ate a lot of crisps a few hours before
SN & water amount prepared: 20 g, 100 ml DMSO, no water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Nausea, vomiting, vision wanting to turn black, noise, feeling like going to pass out, confusion, convulsing, tingling, tachycardia, deep breathing, vision right to left
Other info: No pain, a lot of vomiting after 40 minutes (also vomited earlier) no hospital, recovered
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: DMSO instead of water, didn't fast

Date: 3/12/19 - DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @Dartz
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info: Not enough info in the account
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:


Date: 3/25/19
Member: Kaluk
Fasting: 11 hours, drank a few beers before SN
SN & water amount prepared: 20 g, 100 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Nausea, dizziness, passed out (after 20-40 min)
Other info: No unpleasant side effects except for nausea and diziness
Reason for failure: Slumped onto remote, noise complaint, police 1 hour after ingestion, resuscitated in ambulance
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 4/30/19
Member: @drakewantstogo
Fasting: 8 or more hours
SN & water amount prepared: 17 g, amount of water not stated
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: 30 mg meto 1 hour before
Antacid: 225 mg Zantac
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Anxiety, blindness, dark blood, nausea, vomiting, stomach noises.
Other info: 5 minutes after ingesting had nausea, salivated, "finally puked" 3x. No drowsiness. No stomach or head pain. 6/10 peacefulness.
Reason for failure: Called emergency services
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 7/10/19
Member: @L0ne1ygh0st
Fasting: No regimen details
SN & water amount prepared: No regimen details
SN & water amount taken: No regimen details
Extra doses prepared: No regimen details
Extra doses taken: No regimen details
AE: No regimen details
Antacid: No regimen details
Other meds: No regimen details
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Vomiting, tachycardia, headache, sore throat from vomiting, lost consciousness
Other info: N/A
Reason for failure: Found by boyfriend, emergency services called
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 7/27/19
Member: @Suicidal4Ever
Fasting: Beer, got drunk, didn't report food fasting
SN & water amount prepared: 1 tablespoon (15-17g if measuring spoon), 100 ml, mixed in Tobasco for nausea
SN & water amount taken: Uncertain, said he hoped he drank enough, put in unspecified number of shot glasses, took 1 shot and sipped some of a second
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES (hours later)
Symptoms: Slept a few hours, head ringing, eyeballs pulsing, vomited 3 times, tachycardia, blue, headache, slept 1/2 a day, puked about 20 times
Other info: No emergency services
Reason for failure: Unkown
Speculated reason for failure: Too little SN, beer,

Date: 8/17/19
Member: @Funkygibbon
Fasting: None
SN & water amount prepared: 8-9 capsules, didn't measure, no water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Chlorpromazine
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Blue, pale, massive headache
Other info: No nausea, breathing problems or pain. In ER given methylene blue, sats 60%, died and revived with paddles.
Reason for failure: Interrupted - went outside for a cigarette, within 10 minutes after ingesting a neighbor walked past while smoke and noticed he was pale and his lips were blue, called emergency services.
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 8/20/19
Member: @21Neberg
Fasting: 24 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 20g 150 ml
SN & water amount taken: 10g
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting?: NO
Symptoms: Fainting, dizziness, blue
Other info: Fainted after 10 minutes, still drinking bit by bit when found
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 9/16/19
Member: @Jen0804
Fasting: Not reported
SN & water amount prepared: Not reported
SN & water amount taken: Not reported
Extra doses prepared: Not reported
Extra doses taken: Not reported
AE: Not reported
Antacid: Not reported
Other meds: Not reported
Vomiting: Not reported
Symptoms: Not reported
Other info: "Became very ill"
Reason for failure: Said reason was for taking with orange juice
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 10/4/19
Member: @Ifisieyoung
Fasting: None
SN & water amount prepared: Not stated
SN & water amount taken: A couple gulps
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Tired, hot, vomiting, lost consciousness
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Found by boyfriend a few hours after, not breathing, CPR and breathing tube by emergency services
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 9/28/19
Member: @zajebistakaczka
Fasting: Didn't report
SN & water amount prepared: 24 000 (large) size capsules, didn't state how much water
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Antipsychotic
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Ringing in ears, anxiety, confusion
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 11/6/19
Member: @Notf1xable
Fasting: Not reported
SN & water amount prepared: 25 g, 100 ml
SN & water amount taken: Unknown
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: Zolfran
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Burned going down, vomited while drinking and did not finish, sweatiness, hot, dizziness, floaters in vision, body aches
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Called 911
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 1/8/20 - TESTING, NOT AN ATTEMPT
Member: @X-Kid
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info:
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 1/10/20
Member: @clover___
Fasting: Not mentioned
SN & water amount prepared: Guessed 50 g, water not mentioned
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: Baking soda
Other meds: None
Vomiting: Self-induced
Symptoms: Weakness, collapsed, nausea, fainting, blue/gray, seizures while unconscious
Other info:
Reason for failure: Found, emergency services called
Speculated reason for failure: N/A


Date: 1/11/20
Member: @Lotus
Fasting: All day
SN & water amount prepared: "According to Stan's guide"
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: 1 extra
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Vomiting, passed out, blurry vision, couldn't move or talk, methem level 68, extremely cyanotic
Other info: No pain, no breathing problems, vomiting after 20 minutes
Reason for failure: Police came in hotel room immediately after last sip, didn't know she'd been put on suicide watch
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 1/11/20 - DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @Divine Trinity
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info: No info in the account
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 1/11/20
Member: @Querry1
Fasting: 6 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 15 g, 60 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: Apap Night (sold in Poland, mix of paracetamol and antinausea med, not an AE or dopamine blocker)
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Nausea, vomiting after 20 min, unbearable pain mainly in stomach, lost consciousness after 1 hour
Other info: None
Reason for failure: Asked sister to call emergency services
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 1/13/20 - DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @Divine Trinity
Fasting: No info
SN & water amount prepared: No info
SN & water amount taken: No info
Extra doses prepared: No info
Extra doses taken: No info
AE: None
Antacid: No info
Other meds: No info
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Burning like acid reflux in esophagus and stomach
Other info: None
Reason for failure: No info
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 1/26/20 - SELF-HARM, DID NOT INCLUDE IN NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS
Member: @seventeenangels444
Fasting:
SN & water amount prepared:
SN & water amount taken:
Extra doses prepared:
Extra doses taken:
AE:
Antacid:
Other meds:
Vomiting:
Symptoms:
Other info:
Reason for failure:
Speculated reason for failure:

Date: 2/4/20
Member: @calavera
Fasting: Not mentioned
SN & water amount prepared: 20g 1.5 liters
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: 50 mg quetiapine, liquid veterinary meto
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Went to sleep, woke after 1 hour and vomited, then took sodium nitrAte with no symptoms
Other info: Made own SN out of sodium nitrate
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: 1.5 liters to 20 g of SN, made own SN


Date: 2/6/20
Member: @Johnrio
Fasting: NO
SN & water amount prepared: 25 g, approx. 250 ml
SN & water amount taken: 3 sips, approx. 3 g, stopped because of taste
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: NO
Antacid: None
Other meds: 500 mg ibuprofen
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Gagging, tachycardia, sweatiness, confusion, dizziness
Other info: Slept 5 hours, diarrhea, drank 4 oz of water and vomited, slept 8 hours, no hospital
Reason for failure: Not enough SN
Speculated reason for failure: Also too much water


Date: 2/19/20
Member: @Justrying
Fasting: 5 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 10 g, 50 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: No
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Diarrhea, cold, nausea, noise, dizziness, blue/gray
Other info: Slept, no medical attention
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: Too little SN


Date: 2/24/20
Member: @bpdandme
Fasting: 12 hrs
SN & water amount prepared: "Stan's regimen"
SN & water amount taken: 3 out of 5 sips
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: None
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Tachycardia, light-headedness, nausea, anxiety, pale, blue, blood was dark
Other info: Reported no pain
Reason for failure: Asked someone for help, emergency services called
Speculated reason for failure: N/A
Date: 2/4/20
Member: @MysticPerception
Fasting: 7 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 1 tablespoon, 50 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: 2x 1 tablespoon, 50 ml
Extra doses taken: NO
AE: NO
Antacid: 1 Tums
Other meds: 2 Tylenol
Vomiting: NO
Symptoms: Stomach pain like a hot coal, dizziness, passed out, feeling like burning in intestines
Other info: N/A
Reason for failure: Called 911
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

Date: 4/25/20
Member: @Silasruin
Fasting: 4 days
SN & water amount prepared: 60 g, 150 ml
SN & water amount taken: 75%
Extra doses prepared: 20 g, 100 ml
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Domperidone and mirtaziapine
Antacid: None
Other meds: None
Vomiting: YES
Symptoms: Reflux, cold sweats, noise in head, fainted, gagging, vomiting, blue, headache, breathing difficulty/wheezing
Other info: Drank 1/2, gagged on ingestion, vomited. Drank other 1/2, violent vomiting within 1 minute. "Body rejects it immediately." Went to sleep, after waking blue skin inside lip, headache. Tested SN prior, blood turned chocolate brown. Did not seek medical attention.
Reason for failure: Unknown
Speculated reason for failure: Too much SN, four days of fasting, rapid onset vomiting

Date: 4/28/20
Member: @GoneGoneGone
Fasting: 6 hours
SN & water amount prepared: 25 g, 50-100 ml
SN & water amount taken: Same
Extra doses prepared: None
Extra doses taken: None
AE: Olanzapine
Antacid:
Other meds: Diazepam, xanax, zolpidem, ibuprofen
Vomiting: YES - in AE/ER
Symptoms: Tachycardia, collapsed, allergy shock, dark blood, gray, lost consciousness 20-30 min after ingestion, dizziness
Other info: N/A
Reason for failure: Interrupted
Speculated reason for failure: N/A

BONUS 1:

List of reported symptoms, how many members reported each symptom, and the percentage of occurrence out of 23 reports:

52% Loss of consciousness - 12
52% Vomiting - 12
39% Blue or gray discoloration of skin - 9
34% Dizziness - 8
34% Nausea - 8
26% Tachycardia/rapid heart rate - 6
22% Headache - 5
17% Drowsiness/tiredness - 4
17% Noises (in head or ears) - 4
17% Vision issues (blurriness, eyes going back and forth, going dark, floaters, etc.) - 4
13% Anxiety - 3
13% Confusion - 3
9% Breathing difficulty or changes - 2
9% Collapsing (not loss of consciousness) - 2
9% Gagging on ingestion - 2
9% Pain - 2
9% Pale skin - 2
9% Sweatiness - 2
4% Allergy shock - 1
4% Blindness (recovered) - 1
4% Body aches - 1
4% Burning in throat - 1
4% Burning in intestines - 1
4% Cold - 1
4% Cold sweat - 1
4% Convulsions - 1
4% Couldn't move or talk - 1
4% Diarrhea - 1
4% Hot - 1
4% Light-headedness - 1
4% Reflux - 1
4% Seizures - 1
4% Stomach noises - 1
4% Tingling - 1
4% Weakness - 1


BONUS 2:

7 of the 23 members reported taking an AE.

4 vomited
1 vomited and reported nausea
2 experienced neither vomiting nor nausea
0 reported nausea but no vomiting





If you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.




(Thank you, @checkouttime, for helpling me by gathering the links to the accounts on the google document!)

Wow!! Nice work!

 

[LifeQuitter2018]

User @greyback330 said that he vomitted SN and still be alive, although he has taken Meto beforehand.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-seized-in-customs.61971/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/taking-sn-thursday-midnight.61988/

 

[aminend]

User @greyback330 said that he vomitted SN and still be alive, although he has taken Meto beforehand.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-seized-in-customs.61971/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/taking-sn-thursday-midnight.61988/

That depends to time of vomiting, of course if u vomite as soon as ingesting SN, that doesn't work. I think at least 10 mints is needed for enough SN absorption

 

[Endeavour]

User @greyback330 said that he vomitted SN and still be alive, although he has taken Meto beforehand.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-seized-in-customs.61971/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/taking-sn-thursday-midnight.61988/

Too much water. I think the idea of 50ml & 25gms is to get hopefully all of the fluid and SN into the intestine, and as much SN into the body before any vomiting so you've absorbed enough.

You are likely to vomit I'd say, your body will try to expel the poison out of your system, the hope is that you've absorbed so much by then that it overwhelms your bodys ability to deal with the SN.

But just in case - 2nd glass, just to make sure.

 

[Lolapeeps]

Do we know what GoodpersonEffed's method was? SN with meds, or without?

 

[Endeavour]

Do we know what GoodpersonEffed's method was? SN with meds, or without?

She had mentioned SN before but I don't think she said - unless it was in the private section.

 

[checkouttime]

This is good information , made by a genuine long term member. I helped them with finding all the cases. If you have SN i wouldn't worry about an anti-e personally as you are going to be sick anyway.

Its far more important to have EXTRA DOSES and to not be FOUND as then you will NOT fail, thats a FACT!

but its upto you members what you decide, i would suggest reading this thread and looking at the comments from alot of long term, trusted members. The pro-lifers wouldn't have made such an effort to get it banned if it wasn't a reliable method, its that SIMPLE lol

 

[Alec]

Incredible research! Thank you so much for all of this information!!!