Venting Pro-lifers would rather have you work till you die but would never accept suicide as a way out.

[Caustic Cardinals]

gotcha!

i am disabled

 

[bigj75]

i am disabled

oh ok. didn't expect that but thats definitely a extenuating circumstance.

 

[Caustic Cardinals]

oh ok. didn't expect that but thats definitely a extenuating circumstance.

fucking free me dude

 

[bigj75]

fucking free me dude

 

[Caustic Cardinals]

fuck, them feels! hope you get pebble poisoning

 

[bigj75]

fuck, them feels! hope you get pebble poisoning

I'll gladly accept pebble poisoning if it will kill me.

 

[Caustic Cardinals]

I'll gladly accept pebble poisoning if it will kill me.

the genie said so

 

[Sayo]

This is on some level why suicide is 'bad' or more generally mental health has the type of treatment it does. All healthcare is analysed in terms of loss of productivity. And youth suicide takes away workers in their prime.

'So then why don't they let me die since I can't work...' I know right.

This is to be fair part of a major reason euthanasia is becoming possible in the way it is, for who it is. But also. People with disabilities form a reserve workforce that can be exploited for below min wage or leveraged to drive costs down and also feed the service economy. Individuals care about it but the rhetoric we are fed about it comes out of seeing people who can't work as parasites on those who can.

Most everyone I know who's worked has slaved away for nothing and died before pension age, one of my grandfathers was a bricklayer and segregated out of the town he helped build.

On some level seeing that is no answer to the immediate problem of being out of energy and stamina to respond and lacking any freedom.

Fuck your boss and all the people like them who feel entitled to own other people's labour and drive them like slaves accordingly. It's not you who deserves to die

 

[windingdown]

There's no hope in money either. I have it. Still want to die. Hell, there's nothing even worth buying. I go in stores, malls. It all sucks. I hate all of it. Can't even get a damn pair of pants that fit right. I wear old clothes, because the new ones hurt. They either squeeze or just fall off.

Yep, cursed. I'd buy guns and even a big high dollar set of headphones if they'd let me go through the self checkout and leave me alone. Since they won't, oh well I just won't buy.

I think about that, the extent to which money would make a difference. It can't save us from our failing organisms, or simply the ravages of depression. Just look at Robin Williams or Anthony Bourdain.

Money can't stem my hair loss, which devastates me.

There's almost nothing I want and need anymore, though if I had my own, lovely house, I'd feel marginally perkier.

 

[windingdown]

In my case having enough money would potentially make me better though. I'm trapping in a shitty town in a shitty country and things are worsening day by day because I don't have a penny to do anything. Can't even prepare what I need for CTB. Without money there's no way out for me.

This isn't an option for many people, since other people would interfere, but have you considered VSED? (Voluntary stopping of eating and drinking). It takes 1-3 weeks, but it's guaranteed, and it's free. Some eye drops would help, though!

 

[hunter_lewis]

This isn't an option for many people, since other people would interfere, but have you considered VSED? (Voluntary stopping of eating and drinking). It takes 1-3 weeks, but it's guaranteed, and it's free. Some eye drops would help, though!

Except the part where you get so insanely hungry and thirsty that you will drink anything and eat anything to survive a little longer.
I myself have eaten next to nothing for 5 days once because of grief and dropped only 5 pounds in that time frame and was very active. The survival instinct is insane-I have failed many a diet for this reason because after weeks of eating 700 calories a day you get so hungry that old dried raisins start tasting like heaven. And thirst is even worse than hunger-when you are thirsty, puddles start looking very attractive

 

[hunter_lewis]

My job is killing me slowly while only making at best 12k a year. That's no where reasonable to even support yourself in wage slave America. That's be poverty level and feel like homelessness will become a likelihood. I'm breaking my back and knees and for what exactly? It's getting really frustrating each day I go in I just want to scream fuck this shit and go kill myself immediately. Why can't I convince myself to just fucking do it? It's what I want and yet I keep living this charade of a life as if everything is okay when that's far from the truth. I just want to vent since everyone I talk to will say 'either go to school or get a job' as if both are easy and enjoyable. I have to work in the morning and I hope I can hold it together but man this shit is getting to me. I can't see how people can live like this for decades. All well I guess I'm to much of a pussy who complains. Whatever, goodnight everybody!

Edit: apologies for posting it twice.

isn't there anything you can do? Go to school and get a loan for this? 12k a year are nothing in America, I can understand how fed up you are. If you ctb your family probably will not have to pay the loan back (but then again America has some crazy laws sometimes)

 

[NOISYMIND]

This isn't an option for many people, since other people would interfere, but have you considered VSED? (Voluntary stopping of eating and drinking). It takes 1-3 weeks, but it's guaranteed, and it's free. Some eye drops would help, though!

I'm close to that but I still eat a little when I need to due to my chronic stomach inflammation, otherwise I don't.

 

[RM5998]

This is on some level why suicide is 'bad' or more generally mental health has the type of treatment it does. All healthcare is analysed in terms of loss of productivity. And youth suicide takes away workers in their prime.

'So then why don't they let me die since I can't work...' I know right.

This is to be fair part of a major reason euthanasia is becoming possible in the way it is, for who it is. But also. People with disabilities form a reserve workforce that can be exploited for below min wage or leveraged to drive costs down and also feed the service economy. Individuals care about it but the rhetoric we are fed about it comes out of seeing people who can't work as parasites on those who can.

Most everyone I know who's worked has slaved away for nothing and died before pension age, one of my grandfathers was a bricklayer and segregated out of the town he helped build.

On some level seeing that is no answer to the immediate problem of being out of energy and stamina to respond and lacking any freedom.

Fuck your boss and all the people like them who feel entitled to own other people's labour and drive them like slaves accordingly. It's not you who deserves to die

This is basically the extension of Weber's instrumental and value rationality. All people are measured in terms of their value to society. That's why when I say I'm interested in drawing, it ends up carrying more weight than when I say I'm interested in playing DOTA. And when you need a workforce to milk to make the perpetual value generating machine, you need to make it seem like them putting the value they generated back into society and grinding themselves is a good thing. So, we end up having a system that makes people constantly feel like there are things they can have that will make them happy - but these things are arbitrarily set depending upon how long they can keep people in the game. That's why euthanasia is being offered these days - to give people some degree of control, which is the currency of society these days. It also helps that it removes the problem of having to care about people who can no longer add value.

But to offer anyone real control would remove the system of having more workers than necessary, so we continue to keep that exclusive to people with 'real problems' - to guilt the majority into staying within a system that instrumentalizes them. (Note that this is about societal mechanics in free capitalist societies in general.)

 

[Final Escape]

There's no hope in money either. I have it. Still want to die. Hell, there's nothing even worth buying. I go in stores, malls. It all sucks. I hate all of it. Can't even get a damn pair of pants that fit right. I wear old clothes, because the new ones hurt. They either squeeze or just fall off.

Yep, cursed. I'd buy guns and even a big high dollar set of headphones if they'd let me go through the self checkout and leave me alone. Since they won't, oh well I just won't buy.

Have u noticed too that it's harder to find clothing u like or that fits? It's because of the destruction of the economy. I have to order shit online if I want it to fit correctly because I'm not the easiest body type to fit. Tall and not really curvy, athletic, shoes are a bitch to find in my size. They tend to carry the most common sizes which tend to be small to average built women. Not necessarily skinny just not real tall. Or the only places I can find stuff are the very high end stores where I can't afford to shop.

 

[Final Escape]

12k a year is that even legal?

It is in post free market America. Socialism destroys the ability of average people to make enough to live on.

 

[RM5998]

It is in post free market America. Socialism destroys the ability of average people to make enough to live on.

Socialism needs a God to work properly, capitalism needs perfectly selfish and honest people to work properly. Neither is possible, so we're fucked no matter what.

 

[Libido Torpedo]

It is in post free market America. Socialism destroys the ability of average people to make enough to live on.

untrue. socialism revolves around a central principle of equal distribution... at the moment, the rich folks don't have to do shit for the proletariat, no matter how bad their lives are

 

[Libido Torpedo]

wait

 

[Final Escape]

untrue. socialism revolves around a central principle of equal distribution... at the moment, the rich folks don't have to do shit for the proletariat, no matter how bad their lives are

Unfortunately socialism makes things more unequal because it goes against human nature. You can't forcibly redistribute wealth and expect this to get the poor out of poverty. Only voluntary charity can truly meet the needs of vulnerable, destitute, or otherwise unfortunate people. Or having plenty of options in a free market where they have low barriers to making income with little experience. You also can't have high taxation as this kills the economy and hurts the poor the most.

 

[mattwitt]

Work burn out and people burn out drove me to this point in my life.

 

[Final Escape]

Socialism needs a God to work properly, capitalism needs perfectly selfish and honest people to work properly. Neither is possible, so we're fucked no matter what.

Do you realize that we have not had true free market capitalism for many decades now? As the government grew it started to devour all the wealth that had been created by the free market. The level of wealth inequality grew exponentially as America became more socialist. The goal of socialism is communism and that never ends well. Full dictatorship, no more choice, all your money goes to taxes, nobody can prosper, my mom left Hungary to come here because she thought it was more free. But by the time we had come here in the mid 80's it had already become quite socialist with the welfare state and making it hard for people at the bottom to move out of poverty. It took my mother years to escape poverty when we moved here and initially were on welfare. Single mother two kids and no English, but she learned it and speaks fluent English and assimilated fully into American culture.

 

[Final Escape]

can't even sell myself

Whereabouts do u live?

 

[Libido Torpedo]

Do you realize that we have not had true free market capitalism for many decades now? As the government grew it started to devour all the wealth that had been created by the free market. The level of wealth inequality grew exponentially as America became more socialist. The goal of socialism is communism and that never ends well. Full dictatorship, no more choice, all your money goes to taxes, nobody can prosper, my mom left Hungary to come here because she thought it was more free. But by the time we had come here in the mid 80's it had already become quite socialist with the welfare state and making it hard for people at the bottom to move out of poverty. It took my mother years to escape poverty when we moved here and initially were on welfare. Single mother two kids and no English, but she learned it and speaks fluent English and assimilated fully into American culture.

True socialism would make poverty itself irrelevant. i would argue that our current need to rise above our working class counterparts as circumstantial.

 

[Wantingpeace]

Had I been well enough I would have left society to life in an intentional community.

 

[Diane]

My job is killing me slowly while only making at best 12k a year. That's no where reasonable to even support yourself in wage slave America. That's be poverty level and feel like homelessness will become a likelihood. I'm breaking my back and knees and for what exactly? It's getting really frustrating each day I go in I just want to scream fuck this shit and go kill myself immediately. Why can't I convince myself to just fucking do it? It's what I want and yet I keep living this charade of a life as if everything is okay when that's far from the truth. I just want to vent since everyone I talk to will say 'either go to school or get a job' as if both are easy and enjoyable. I have to work in the morning and I hope I can hold it together but man this shit is getting to me. I can't see how people can live like this for decades. All well I guess I'm to much of a pussy who complains. Whatever, goodnight everybody!

Edit: apologies for posting it twice.

Check out my thread:
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/humankind-is-pathetic.4650/

I agree with what some other people here said, that total socialism doesn't work for the said reasons. Because everyone does need to feel rewarded for their work, if everyone receive the same amount of income regardless of the type or amount of work they did, there would be no incentive to work and less people would and the people in need would not get the services they need. I personally believe there should be a Universal Health Care system that is timely and quality but let's find a way to pay for it without raising taxes on everything which is especially a burden on the working and middle-class people. I really wish politicians would bring this issue up when they talk about Universal Health Care. And yes, a "Dignitas" should be included in that. These are just some examples of some of my views.

Just to let everyone know, I am still trying to find an inexpensive ,reliable, and peaceful method. No one has any idea of all the stuff imI dealing with. I would like to do carbon monoxide but the materials needed for this that are discussed in the pph handbook seem extremely hard to obtain. Someone had said something about a "cheetah" rodent control machine, but they cost 1,370 American dollars. I wish that was a much easier andI less expensive generator that could create just as much of it as the cheetah is said to or more. A charcoal grill actually doesn't do that and from what I've heard it's actually unreliable when you use the charcoal method because it takes too long for you to go unconscious. I don't have access to a grill of any kind of way and they are probably pretty expensive too. If anyone knows of any other kind of generators that produce roughly amount that the cheetah does (and I don't own or operate a vehicle) feel free to let me know.

 

[okyeah]

Do you realize that we have not had true free market capitalism for many decades now? As the government grew it started to devour all the wealth that had been created by the free market. The level of wealth inequality grew exponentially as America became more socialist. The goal of socialism is communism and that never ends well. Full dictatorship, no more choice, all your money goes to taxes, nobody can prosper, my mom left Hungary to come here because she thought it was more free. But by the time we had come here in the mid 80's it had already become quite socialist with the welfare state and making it hard for people at the bottom to move out of poverty. It took my mother years to escape poverty when we moved here and initially were on welfare. Single mother two kids and no English, but she learned it and speaks fluent English and assimilated fully into American culture.

America is not becoming more socialist. Look who the president is right now lol

 

[samhelloall9]

My job is killing me slowly while only making at best 12k a year. That's no where reasonable to even support yourself in wage slave America. That's be poverty level and feel like homelessness will become a likelihood. I'm breaking my back and knees and for what exactly? It's getting really frustrating each day I go in I just want to scream fuck this shit and go kill myself immediately. Why can't I convince myself to just fucking do it? It's what I want and yet I keep living this charade of a life as if everything is okay when that's far from the truth. I just want to vent since everyone I talk to will say 'either go to school or get a job' as if both are easy and enjoyable. I have to work in the morning and I hope I can hold it together but man this shit is getting to me. I can't see how people can live like this for decades. All well I guess I'm to much of a pussy who complains. Whatever, goodnight everybody!

Edit: apologies for posting it twice.

And that's why I mainly want to "I'm a celebrity get me out of here