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Mm80

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This will be very tricky, as the transaction will be made from a place where assisted suicide is legal. But usually there are strict and laws and not everyone can be assisted .There usually has to be good reason for assisted suicide ie terminal illness. The seller is essentially selling a kit no questions asked with one purpose, to end life, so are leaving themselves very vulnerable .And then the shipping is separate to protect the seller and it gives no ideas on costs etc. The risk of prosecution is on the seller and company shipping, not the individual buying it as suicide isnt illegal.
Im sorry but this sounds too good to be true. However they may sell a few before getting prosecuted or stopped.
It seems risky.
Sorry to sound cynical
 
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This will be very tricky, as the transaction will be made from a place where assisted suicide is legal. But usually there are strict and laws and not everyone can be assisted .There usually has to be good reason for assisted suicide ie terminal illness. The seller is essentially selling a kit no questions asked with one purpose, to end life, so are leaving themselves very vulnerable .And then the shipping is separate to protect the seller and it gives no ideas on costs etc. The risk of prosecution is on the seller and company shipping, not the individual buying it as suicide isnt illegal.
Im sorry but this sounds too good to be true. However they may sell a few before getting prosecuted or stopped.
It seems risky.
Sorry to sound cynical
Would you be personally be fine with it if the debreather was sold, though?

Also on the other website they have they mention that it can be attached to an oxygen supply

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The RespirO Rebreather Cartridge is designed from the ground up as a fully disposable, single-use component for an emergency breathing device for first responders who encounter toxic environments. This is not a device for firefighters who are generally equipped with sophisticated self-contained breathing apparatus. Instead, RespirO Disposable Rebreather is aimed at police, civil workers, survivalists, and the general people who are seeking a way to survive unexpected events that might expose them to toxic fumes or to otherwise un-breathable air.

Warning: The RespirO Rebreather Cartridge must be combined with a separate source of oxygen"
 
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Would you be personally be fine with it if the debreather was sold, though?
Yeah dam right it would give people who no longer wanted to live a peaceful dignified ending.
If i hadnt already bought the sn kit and amitriptyline cocktail id buy one.
It would be the best method yet and most popular.
 
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Yeah dam right it would give people who no longer wanted to live a peaceful dignified ending.
If i hadnt already bought the sn kit and amitriptyline cocktail id buy one.
It would be the best method yet and most popular.
I think I'd probably prefer a gun but that's more dangerous to others and leaves more of a mess

In a forest though it wouldn't be

Hypoxia seems cool

I think I'd prefer the Sarco though

Or a pilot's mask setup where the oxygen is removed, like in a grounded fighter plane or a fabrication of one

Maybe even a self-flying plane that'll land after you die

It would be cool set-up to look like The Engineer from Alien they stumble upon in the beginning

It would suck to die choking on my blood during hanging after thinking of visions like this

*I'd definitely get the debreather if it came out, although I'd be afraid of botching it somehow or getting in trouble for using it
 
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I think I'd probably prefer a gun but that's more dangerous to others and leaves more of a mess

In a forest though it wouldn't be

Hypoxia seems cool

I think I'd prefer the Sarco though

Or a pilot's mask setup where the oxygen is removed, like in a grounded fighter plane or a fabrication of one

Maybe even a self-flying plane that'll land after you die

It would be cool set-up to look like The Engineer from Alien they stumble upon in the beginning

It would suck to die choking on my blood during hanging after thinking of visions like this

*I'd definitely get the debreather if it came out, although I'd be afraid of botching it somehow or getting in trouble for using it
I couldnt see how you would get in trouble legally for trying to ctb as its not illegal. The suppliers would be at more risk for selling it.
I couldnt see how you would get in trouble legally for trying to ctb as its not illegal. The suppliers would be at more risk for selling it.
You have some imagination btw lol.
 
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I couldnt see how you would get in trouble legally for trying to ctb as its not illegal. The suppliers would be at more risk for selling it.

You have some imagination btw lol.
I could be fucked with in some not-exactly-legal ways, or they could try to hit my family or something with some "foreknowledge of assisted suicide" charge to like set an example to others who buy a method like this

Russel Ogden (who I don't care for, I think, although it seems like his ostensible goal is to paint DIY suicide as akin to botched back-alley abortions, which to be fair it often is, so that euthanasia in clinic can be become the standard--I personally welcome easy, accessible methods for everyone like the debreather or the Sarco), mentions in one of his papers that in Canada giving "counsel" counts as assisted suicide, which is extremely harsh to me

Edit: "You have some imagination btw lol." Haha if that's a compliment, thank you

I sometimes get afraid it leads me into thinking of too "pie in the sky" ideas that will depress when compared to what probably will happen, and perhaps have even worse consequences
 
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What do you mean exactly?

Whatever it means the other video on the site Nitschke linked on twitter (right2die) shows someone using the debreather while it's still in the cloth bag (and with straps it's like hooked around your neck and waist)
Its there to expand and contract with the tidal volume of your lungs. If it wasnt it would be like blowing into a plugged straw.
 
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Its there to expand and contract with the tidal volume of your lungs. If it wasnt it would be like blowing into a plugged straw.
No, I mean, are you saying the debreather won't work within the cloth bag or it won't work outside of it?

The video absolutely makes it look like the debreather will work inside the cloth bag, and the pics also make it seem like the debreather possibly works taken outside of the bag
 
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No, I mean, are you saying the debreather won't work within the cloth bag or it won't work outside of it?

The video absolutely makes it look like the debreather will work inside the cloth bag, and the pics also make it seem like the debreather possibly works taken outside of the bag
Since i havent seen one IRL yet i am just surmising. It will work outside the cloth bag but idk if it will work with the counterlung in the bag. That plastic bag has to have some freedom to move in this type of setup
 
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Since i havent seen one IRL yet i am just surmising. It will work outside the cloth bag but idk if it will work with the counterlung in the bag. That plastic bag has to have some freedom to move in this type of setup
Look at the video on the right2die, it shows a (computer-animated) figure keeping the debreather inside the cloth bag
 
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Well hopefully we'll find out tomorrow.

EDIT: I mean the next day. Page says March 2 not March 1.
 
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From the website:
"We also realize that access to the R2D ReBreather should be restricted to adults only. For that reason we have implemented an age verification system on this website which is designed to prevent anyone under 21 years of age from purchasing our ReBreather. We also oppose sales of the ReBreather to anyone of unsound mind or who is unable to make a reasoned and rational decision to end their life."
I wonder if we'll have to provide an ID to buy.. also, how will they test whether or not you have an "unsound mind"?
 
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They can "oppose" sales without having to impose a system for verification. As to providing ID, possibly just using a credit card would be proof of not being a minor. Or do they give out credit cards to kids now? I don't really keep up with that sort of thing.
 
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They can "oppose" sales without having to impose a system for verification. As to providing ID, possibly just using a credit card would be proof of not being a minor. Or do they give out credit cards to kids now? I don't really keep up with that sort of thing.
You can get a CC at 18 so idk...
 
jimbob1000

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I feel pretty guilty about feeling pretty pissed off about coronavirus choosing fucking NOW to emerge. I mean I feel bad for those poor people who didn't want to die but some of us are trying to kill ourselves here goddammit.
haha, my exact thoughts too, that damn virus,
 
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hence why th RP test rates it 6/10, the seal of the mask is the biggest concern here.
 
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hence why th RP test rates it 6/10, the seal of the mask is the biggest concern here.
Do you happen to know the exact stats for that? I can't seem to find them anywhere
 
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Do you happen to know the exact stats for that? I can't seem to find them anywhere
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Well it's 2nd March already where I am (Thailand) and that bloody page is still up. :meh:
 
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So, we are still waiting...
 
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I just realized I added an unnecessary 'Z' to 'Nitschke', sorry
 
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I really wanted to buy this...it's much cheaper than a gun...
 
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Chiming in here since I recently finished and tested my hypoxia 'debreather' device. My first test was yesterday for airflow and CO2 absorption. I exhaled/inhaled five times, not enough to start to feel hypoxic, yet it was enough to test my CO2 'alert system'. The good news is that it worked perfectly, breathing was easy and air flowed well in both directions. My next test will be with a pulse oximeter since I want to know how quickly my O2 drops.

Below are some details, experiences and opinions on the debreather that right2die will be selling (hopefully someday soon) and comparisons to my hypoxia device.

My device is a bi-directional, single circuit, which means exhaled air flows through one tube into the canister that contains CO2 absorbent, next into the counterlung, then the reverse on inhalation. I decided not to replicate the debreather due to complexity, I didn't feel that it needed to be a two circuit system.The debreather system uses a loop that only allows air to flow in one direction using, one way valves and uses ventilator tubing, two CO2 absorbent chambers and one counterlung. They chose this system to eliminate the possibility of CO2 re-entering the lungs which would result in the CO2 alert system being activated and could eventually cause the person to remove their mask due to severe discomfort. In my device the only remaining CO2 would be in the single tube (CPAP) that enters the CO2 absorption chamber. As expected the amount of CO2 that remains in the tube is insignificant and is reduced during each breath since no new oxygen is added to the system. It's important to note that CO2 tolerance varies from person to person.

Now about the mask...I've seen a lot of talk about this, mostly concern which makes sense since it's an important part of the device, probably the most important. That being said any of these devices need completely sealed to prevent leaks. I tested every part of my system, including a couple of masks. I ended up using a high quality CPAP mask, not the mask that they chose for the debreather. The reason is fit, since CPAP masks are designed to be worn during sleep so comfort is very important, as is the seal. The only minor issue is that CPAP is a partially open system, unlike the debreather which needs to completely closed. This meant that I had to modify the mask by closing off all the vent holes, which was easy. The mask is very comfortable and uses a soft silicone for the face seal and a comfortable head strap/harness system. I tested the mask in the same way that the debreather shows, simply by covering the hose connection port and exhaling, ensuring there were no air leaks around the mask. One thing I don't like how the debreather is that it needs to strapped to the body, this was in part due to how they chose to build the mask/tubing system. Since my device only has one tube that is connected to the CPAP mask (with a swivel). The whole unit is strapped to a stable and protected platform which can lay next to me. All my hoses are secured with hose clamps so they can't be pulled apart.

I will report more after my test with the pulse oximeter.

Note: I am happy to respond to questions as I want to help those considering this method, however I am not willing to post photos, plans or give exact details of how I built my device. Please reply here, not using PM. Thanks.
 
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Yep. It's already March 3 here in Thailand and that placeholder page is still there.:angry:


They are lousy at setting expectations, hope they can actually deliver.
Hey thank you! Yeah the sealing the mask part seems really annoying

Sealing the mask shouldn't be an issue and they've provided three sizes. One thing I think they forgot to mention is facial hair, you want your face clean shaven. The critical part is testing the seal with positive pressure. After that it should be fine as long as it isn't removed right before you pass out. From a design standpoint I am a bit concerned with the all the weight from the white PVC tubing that connects to the mask and the three hoses. I could see the weight of it pulling on the mask and compromising the seal, especially if you're more upright than flat on your back. It does seem like they've addressed this with the robust mounting system.
 
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liverpoolfan

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If the product is as shite as their website updates I think the look for the perfect exit will have to continue...
 
r2d2020

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If the product is as shite as their website updates I think the look for the perfect exit will have to continue...

Hoping the product is good and works as promised for the sake of those who want it.

I'm concerned that it's being made in China mostly due to the nature of the product, IE - high risk of brain damage if the product fails during use. I wonder what their quality control is like? What grade is the soda lime and where is it made? And so on...I would love to get one just to see how it's designed/built.
 
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Yeah dam right it would give people who no longer wanted to live a peaceful dignified ending. If i hadnt already bought the sn kit and amitriptyline cocktail id buy one. It would be the best method yet and most popular.

What is the amitriptyline cocktail? How did you get the amitriptyline? I have SN but meh....I dunno about it...
 
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