Story Pope Francis condemns assisted suicide

[Pluto]

Do you acknowledge that you are part of something bigger than you, and upon death you might go back to it?
Do you believe that life came from nothing, and think that is rational?

Materialistic positivism will never satisfy people because it is only concerned with a tiny fraction of reality.

I agree with your points, even if I feel that it can be futile to argue with others who have their own perspectives with their own relative legitimacy.

The question of where life originated assumes that life itself is just another physical process with a beginning and an end. From a scientific perspective, the relativistic link between space and time mean that there was no such thing as a period before the Big Bang. A multi-dimensional 'many worlds' multiverse would further demolish our perception of linear time. Meanwhile, advanced spiritual philosophies such as Advaita Vedanta view time and space as an illusions, with life/consciousness itself a single, universal and eternal presence that is our true nature.

Both of these perspectives might agree that the data of our conditioned minds and the viewpoints of our sense organs are woefully insufficient to address such cosmic questions. Any religious belief system risks completely losing touch with reality, while science is limited to merely analysing physical observations of human sense organs and their technological extensions.

Those who have resolved this meaningfully have achieved a direct experience of something transcendent (eg. Buddhist 'enlightenment', Jesus' "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you", Hindu 'moksha', etc... many names for the same thing), though their insights are virtually impossible to verbalise beyond simply guiding others to seek liberation for themselves.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

"God doesn't stop human suffering because he can't interfere with free will"

"Assisted suicide is wrong! It goes against God!"

 

[Gsvko]

Papa Frank's sounds like an excellent pizza establishment.
Perhaps the man should switch careers.

I'd join a pizza cult

 

[Rogue Proxy]

Papa Frank's sounds like an excellent pizza establishment.
Perhaps the man should switch careers.

I don't know...pizzerias are strong magnets for children. Even if Papa Frank doesn't touch a single child, I wouldn't trust his...sanitary practices when making and serving pizzas. Don't even get me started on the secret sauce!

Perhaps adding animatronics installed with facial recognition systems will help keep Papa Frank's hands clean.

 

[BRuss]

Do you acknowledge that you are part of something bigger than you, and upon death you might go back to it?
Do you believe that life came from nothing, and think that is rational?

Materialistic positivism will never satisfy people because it is only concerned with a tiny fraction of reality.

There's an argument to be made - Nietzsche made it - that Comtean positivism is an intellectual heir of Christianity (organized and doctrinaire, and not necessarily the teachings of Jesus), insofar as both Christianity and positivism insist on a transcendental notion of The Truth outside of individual perception (such arguments demonstrate the relationship between Nietzsche and the postmodernists). Postivists teach that Truth can be gleaned empirically, and Christianity through prayer and devotion but both teach the existence of Truth. Reality might not have a Truth.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

Well I condem the vast amounts of gold reserves he and his private army have in the Vatican. Oh yes and the idiots who are the Swiss Army who protect him.

 

[Al Cappella]

I knew I shouldn't have got that Pope tattoo…I wonder if I can get them to make him look like Barney Rubble…

 

[OldDrummer]

I'm in my 50's. As an Irish ex-Catholic, I don't a bunch of dress-wearing self-proclaimed celibate-child molesters telling me what to morally do in my life, thanks very much.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

Buddhists, Jains, and Hindus are not the ones actively campaigning against the right to die, nor are trying to shit on our rights, nor do any of these religions treat suffering as a sexual fetish. Only a wretched and vile religion can spawn someone as wicked as Mother Theresa who let her patients suffer without pain medicine, solely because their suffering brought them closer to Yeshua and Yahweh.

All religions are BS. Even if some westerners talk about trendy "eastern religion" - it's all still just BS

Why defend eastern religion just because the moslems are more fanatical and responsible for more chaos . It's still false

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

he should avoid saying useless moral teaching. He is so damn sadist.
If he gets sick, he will have a crowd of people helping him and cleaning his ass.
If a regular man gets sick and he has no family, he goes through hell taking care of himself (unless he can pay big money to be watched suffering till the end of his days).

Of course Christians can only motivate the suffering of a man dying from a terminal illness by saying "suffer for God, you will be admitted to Paradise".
How distorted and sick are these people, that impose their moral beliefs on other men with a supernatural entity whose existence can't be proven?
Someone should have answered to him with the example of the business of Mother Theresa, that let people die painfully while receiving money from all over the world.

He should donate his big money to medical research to improve research on terminal illnesses and diseases, instead of saying bullshit on palliative care and euthanasia, which are the same exact thing.

 

[angiegirl30]

wish he'd condemn child abuse instead

He has.

I would pay attention to whatever he says if he would condemn the priests who molested children and allowed them to face criminal prosecution.

He has condemned them.

 

[justsayin]

He has.

He has condemned them.

How many of them are in jail?

 

[Darkover]

we should burn him at the stake pope francis

 

[woe-boy]

As a Catholic who is currently going through a moral nightmare, I have come to a certain conclusion:

Clergy are evil. They are all corrupt, dirty, non-Christlike thieves. They prey on gay people and good, honest individuals. Making us tell them our darkest secret so the freak can fondle himself thinking about my confession later on. Just because this 'priest' gets some kind of degree and ordination does not at all make him any closer to God than myself. God and I have definitely a relationship interpersonally. I pray for forgiveness constantly. I slowly recover but I will not know the real conclusion until I ctb. As we all will.

I am interested in changing my denomination of faith after my parents are gone. I'm thinking methodist or Universal Unitarian. God wouldn't put LGBTQ people on this planet if he didn't love us too, along with our mistakes. I feel there is a ton of religious stigma and it has to end one day.

 

[absolute]

I would pay attention to whatever he says if he would condemn the priests who molested children and allowed them to face criminal prosecution.

X2

 

[Deformationalplagio]

Mr pope can suck on deez nuts

 

[Symbiote]

Because religion states that no one has suffered as much as God's Son, Jesus Christ. All our suffering is nothing compared to Jesus. 20 years of Cancer is child's play compared to what Jesus went through. Yeppp, no one can beat God's favored son.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Think some of these pro-life doctrines like anti-contraception, anti-abortion, anti-suicide in religions may have been more useful when the human race needed expanding but now we need quite the opposite.

The counter argument to suicide being against God's plan for life- that medicine and life extension could be seen as against God's plan for death has always intrigued me. I know the argument is that these medical interventions are not in conflict with God's plan- because we were 'blessed' in discovering them. Still- medicine isn't given out equally. It surely comes down to a countries financial situation.

It's always puzzled me on the 'sin' scale where a patient who refuses treatment sits- It's not outright suicide. It is death by natural causes but I wonder if the all mighty holds it against you if you don't struggle on till the bitter end no matter what.

I really don't like how sadistic this all is.

 

[TheBroken]

The Catholic Church is an organized swindle guilty for the role it played in the deaths of millions of Native Americans. To Hell with Papa Frank.

Shhhh no one is supposed to know about nor officially recognize this part of history. Nor the 1,000's of abused children at the hands of nuns and priests. God and His love would be great, except for the fact that humans jack it all up as they outright and satanically abuse each other.

About 333,000 children were abused within France's Catholic Church, a report finds

The report states that the abuses were committed by some 3,000 priests and other people involved in the church — wrongdoing that Catholic authorities covered up over decades.

www.npr.org

he should avoid saying useless moral teaching. He is so damn sadist.
If he gets sick, he will have a crowd of people helping him and cleaning his ass.
If a regular man gets sick and he has no family, he goes through hell taking care of himself (unless he can pay big money to be watched suffering till the end of his days).

Of course Christians can only motivate the suffering of a man dying from a terminal illness by saying "suffer for God, you will be admitted to Paradise".
How distorted and sick are these people, that impose their moral beliefs on other men with a supernatural entity whose existence can't be proven?
Someone should have answered to him with the example of the business of Mother Theresa, that let people die painfully while receiving money from all over the world.

He should donate his big money to medical research to improve research on terminal illnesses and diseases, instead of saying bullshit on palliative care and euthanasia, which are the same exact thing.

"If he gets sick, he will have a crowd of people helping him and cleaning his ass.
If a regular man gets sick and he has no family, he goes through hell taking care of himself (unless he can pay big money to be watched suffering till the end of his days)."

SO TRUE!!!! OTHERS END UP SITTING In THEIR SH** ALL DAY HOPING NOT TO GET RAPED BY THE ORDERLY WHO WAS HIRED OFF THE STREET FOR $7.00 AN HOUR AND NEEDS SOME FREE ACTION ......

he should avoid saying useless moral teaching. He is so damn sadist.
If he gets sick, he will have a crowd of people helping him and cleaning his ass.
If a regular man gets sick and he has no family, he goes through hell taking care of himself (unless he can pay big money to be watched suffering till the end of his days).

Of course Christians can only motivate the suffering of a man dying from a terminal illness by saying "suffer for God, you will be admitted to Paradise".
How distorted and sick are these people, that impose their moral beliefs on other men with a supernatural entity whose existence can't be proven?
Someone should have answered to him with the example of the business of Mother Theresa, that let people die painfully while receiving money from all over the world.

He should donate his big money to medical research to improve research on terminal illnesses and diseases, instead of saying bullshit on palliative care and euthanasia, which are the same exact thing.

"If he gets sick, he will have a crowd of people helping him and cleaning his ass.
If a regular man gets sick and he has no family, he goes through hell taking care of himself (unless he can pay big money to be watched suffering till the end of his days)."

SO TRUE!!!!

 

[Ta555]

I'm sorry for my language but the pope can go suck my big fat imaginary cock because the Catholic church is a disgusting criminal organisation.

 

[Zzzzz]

No laws should ever be made from unverified religious beliefs.

 

[lostmylove]

Ironically if hell where real, Pope Francis would be one of first people there

 

[Judy Garland]

Well of course he does!