Poll: Would you still browse this forum if the incels administrators were still in power?

[noname223]

I only give one vote. Yes I know it is very hard to resist the bait.

As much as I don't support the incel ideology I became member when they were in power. I was a newbie to that time. Now I had some support if I got into trouble Maybe (?) It never happened thus far.

I would still browse this forum. And probably keep ambivalent to post about this topic. I think I supported women's rights to that time. It is a long time ago. I also emphasized that insults of women are condemnable. However, I was for sure not the most vocal member on this issue. I don't read enough in other threads to give a proper judgement. Some people recently said there is more incel content currently. I did not stumble on much of it. However, it seems completely possible that there is. There is this one incel member I think.

I prefer the trans safe space idea way more than a safe haven for men who hate women. But I am completely dependent on this forum to survive. As a way to cope with my torturous existence. Especially currently. Maybe I am not principled enough. But the pain is so fucking big. I think the incel ideology is horrible. I would completely agree on that. But the pain. I don't know how to cope with it. I am close to my pain limit.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I don't care that this forum was founded by incels and I think the insinuation that them being incels makes the need for this safe space to vent and provide info on methods any lesser is also wrong.

Incels generally understand better than most average people the futility of existence. Blaming women for being the source of suffering is no different than blaming men or society or the government or the economy. Factors like these all play a small part in making the human experience as miserable as it is.

But then again I am an incel which means even if I didn't want to die, people should be lining up to want me dead.

 

[WoNkEy_DoNkEy]

Talking in any way shape or form (including theoretical) about @RainAndSadness not being the administrator for someone else to be is blasphemy. Wash your mouth out with soap!!

 

[noname223]

Talking in any way shape or form (including theoretical) about @RainAndSadness not being the administrator for someone else to be is blasphemy. Wash your mouth out with soap!!

???? Do you mean this serious? Is this a joke? I never said someone else should be admin. I even emphasized that I welcome the changes she has made. I just thought a lot about the changes this forum has gone through the past years. I think she does a very good job.

You really give me weird vibes as if you were a troll or something.

 

[SexyIncél]

Were Serge & Marquis as good as the current admins/mods? I keep hearing people say good words about how SaSu used to be, so either that's just nostalgia, or they actually did a good job back then too

I like this rule: "Do not use abusive language or direct hate towards others based on their race, gender, or sexual orientation. This is a very diverse community with many different types of people from different backgrounds."

I imagine its history was complicated? Were Serge & Marquis at least open to such rules? I don't know when it was implemented

The cyclical push to ban incels reminds me of the phrase "Silicon Valley is being taken over by people who couldn't create it." The theory is that some peculiar nerds created it, then liberal ideologues try taking it over... with the same dynamics of Soviet commissars

Anyway, RainAndSadness's position on incels is entirely sensible

 

[WoNkEy_DoNkEy]

???? Do you mean this serious? Is this a joke? I never said someone else should be admin. I even emphasized that I welcome the changes she has made. I just thought a lot about the changes this forum has gone through the past years. I think she does a very good job.

You really give me weird vibes as if you were a troll or something.

@noname223 I was joking. And I'm human not a troll.
@SexyIncél managed to get the joke

 

[noname223]

@noname223 I was joking. And I'm human not a troll.

Also humans can be trolls. I am just over-anxious.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Were Serge & Marquis as good as the current admins/mods? I keep hearing people say good words about how SaSu used to be, so either that's just nostalgia, or they actually did a good job back then too

I was never around when Serge was but Marquis was a really chill and sensible guy from what I remember. RainandSadness picked up the mantle really well after he stepped down so in my eyes, the way the forum has been run was very similar.

 

[Placo]

How did the power go from two incels to a woman?

 

[derpyderpins]

Oh thank God this was posted it's been almost 12 hours since I got some sweet incel debate drama.

 

[stillunemployed]

How did the power go from two incels to a woman?

its the exact opposite of other social media

 

[halleyscomet]

It really depends on their behaviour. If you want to blame women for the fact you can't get laid be my guest, but keep it to yourself. If they were the types of incels to spout their idiotic ideology or actively try to harm women then I would question wether this site is even safe to be on. This site is full of vulnerable women, and I question if a incel should really be allowed a position of power when such women are on this site, it could put all women on this site in danger.

Just because someone wants to ctb doesn't mean that they can exhibit shitty behaviour. It seems to be a theme on this site, people will say discriminatory and harmful things or exhibit harmful behaviour, and justify it because "well I'm going to ctb anyways". Just because you're going to ctb doesn't mean you can be a dick.

And before someone tries to say yet again that "not all incels are misogynistic/harmful": again, there are plenty of guys who are virgins and struggle to find companionship but they are not incels. No matter what the original meaning of the term was, it is now used by men who are hateful and even abusive towards women, because they see them as objects. They use the term incel to try and justify disgusting behaviour. It is perfectly okay and normal to struggle with virginity, insecurity ect... But when you actively hate or mistreat women due to that fact, that is when you are classed as an incel and that is unacceptable and this site shouldn't become a safe space for discriminatory people to spout harmful ideology because "they are going to die anyways".

Think what you want behind closed doors, but don't spout your nonsense here.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I hadn't joined back then so, I suppose it would depend on what it was like. Did it feel a welcoming place for women back then? I don't know. Not all incels are misogynists outright. We probably all have our own biases towards people but so long as it doesn't become hateful and ostracizing, it's ok I think.

It's a platform at the end of the day. To an extent, I guess the administrators do influence the atmosphere but- if you start boycotting all services run by people who's ideas you don't agree with, there's probably very little out there you could use. I think it does depend on just how dominated the place is by those ideologies.

I think feeling lonely and ostracized is a legitimate reason to want to take your own life. So, being an incel or femcel seems like a genuine cause for feeling suicidal.

All we ever know is what it's like to be our own gender too so, I think we do tend to have a bias that we have it worse and there can be a sort of jealous resentment towards the opposite gender. If I'm honest. I feel it towards men and some men here definitely feel it towards women. It's better to talk about this stuff though I think. In order that we both appreciate what the other is going through. Plus, that it's society and culture in general that has created all the problems, not individuals.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Who says they're not still "in charge"?

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Who says they're not still "in charge"?

There is not a single mod or admin right now that identifies as an incel.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

There is not a single mod or admin right now that identifies as an incel.

So? That doesn't mean that the original founders still don't control things from the shadows, like "silent" partners in a business relationship.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

So? That doesn't mean that the original founders still don't control things from the shadows, like "silent" partners in a business relationship.

What does "controlling things from the shadows" even look like on a suicide forum? Are they somehow preventing women from killing themselves? Marquis was already doxxed by journalists so he's as far from the shadows as you can get.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

What does "controlling things from the shadows" even look like on a suicide forum? Are they somehow preventing women from killing themselves? Marquis was already doxxed by journalists so he's as far from the shadows as you can get.

It means an active role in the running of the site. You can read into my words whatever you want.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

It means an active role in the running of the site. You can read into my words whatever you want.

What kind of active role do you suspect they can even achieve since they are no longer moderators or admins? If you mean paying for the servers or handling the programming or code stuff then what does them being incels matter in that case?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

How do you know who is in communication with whom? I don't know if anyone is, I don't know if anyone isn't. How can you? How do you know that either of them aren't current "members" right now. I put out a supposition, originally, which was, and is, as valid as your supposition. Think whatever you want and I will, too.

 

[Jorms_McGander]

This is valid deepstate theory
I voted instagram because that made me chuckle but actually I ignore my instagram because my family sees it. I was momentarily surprised to learn that "incels" made this site and then I went back to not really caring.

I'd still use this forum, I have the power to evaluate other peoples' ideas in my own mind and take on only what I see fit.

I would leave if I felt excluded, and I suppose that might happen as I am very egalitarian but then it wouldn't be the incel nature of mods but rather an overbearing mod style.

 

[1MiserableGuy]

We live in a sexual anarchy where everything is allowed but none if it is sacred, which makes being celibate on an involuntary basis impossible. Therefore, it is nonsequitir for people who don't exist for people to run anything.

 

[Dusk till dawn]

I doubt the old adminstrators were really incels, either way i like the old adminstrators more because at the time i registered my account i was underage, it was allowed for underage people to signup, the staff wouldn't reject you for being underage, so i favour the old administrators more than the current ones just because of this

 

[toro]

i honestly dont know, this place has been so helpful to me that I cant imagine the admins mattering much so long as they weren't actively using the site to promote violence against women. i feel really really bad for a lot of incels, most of them arent even ugly, they're just self-sabotaging and autistic, which lead to them being outcasted and bullied. but as a girl myself I would have to put my safety first, too many murders for me to feel comfortable engaging with self proclaimed incels.

though IMO you only ever really have to worry about the self-titled, proud incels that do legitimately think they deserve to violate people for their sexual gratification. if a guy is just kind of odd and '''ugly''' that doesn't make him an incel + a danger to women, so much of the term 'incel' these days is just being unfairly given to autistic men and I'm not down with it

 

[onbekend]

I don't care whose running the site. As long as I can talk to people who I can relate to anonymously, I'm just fine with it.

 

[theboy]

is a weird question

 

[trappedinthislife]

Depends. As long as they don't go around bashing women and people of minorities and actively shut them down I don't rly care.

 

[Adûnâi]

Conversely, many folks have stopped browsing this forum precisely because it is no longer moderated by incels. Subverted and perverted.

We live in a sexual anarchy where everything is allowed but none if it is sacred, which makes being celibate on an involuntary basis impossible.

Yikerinoes.

i honestly dont know, this place has been so helpful to me that I cant imagine the admins mattering much so long as they weren't actively using the site to promote violence against women. i feel really really bad for a lot of incels, most of them arent even ugly, they're just self-sabotaging and autistic, which lead to them being outcasted and bullied. but as a girl myself I would have to put my safety first, too many murders for me to feel comfortable engaging with self proclaimed incels.

Eh, that's a reasonable approach, although logically, those men are more prone to murder women who are actually in a relationship with a woman. A shit-in incel being bullied is a bad candidate for causing family violence - without having a family at all. Society is evil, and incels exist outside of it.

 

[wristcutangel]

my opinions on incels are less than pleasant, but i don't really care about them here. i'm here because i want to die, if the admins here are incels who want me dead or something then good for them because i want me dead too.

 

[Superdeterminist]

As I have it, incel just means someone suffering from romantic loneliness. It doesn't mean someone who hates women. Yes there are people who for whom both apply, but they're separate things. Most people should be able to understand the desire for love, and the psychological pain which attends a life lived without it.