Planning this for a while...please read

[Chronic]

I have severe pain from a spinal injury and have lived with it for over 25 years and other things in my life are falling apart as well and I feel the time to exit keeps getting closer. If others could review my plan I'd appreciate it. Hope what I post here is okay by the rules and will welcome any feedback if I mention something I shouldn't.

So I have sedatives but not benzos unfortunately so I would be unable to take all the meds required for DDMP2 but hope I can do it with the pain meds I have (a lot but only 1/2 what is suggested as per DDMP2). Plan is to take sedatives until I am very tired then take Dramamine to prevent nausea 30 min prior to the pain meds. Grind up pain meds and mix with 4 ounces of ethanol since it is a potentiator and take at once. Supposed to sit up for 30 min after ingesting. Immediately after swallowing I plan on putting on a non-rebreather mask (the O2 masks with the bag) and turn on a tank that is connected to the mask. Tank is one of the small 550 liters and I have a regulator so I can set the flow rate to 15 LPM. Gas is 80 percent nitrogen and 20 percent carbon monoxide. Death should occur from the gas alone in 5 to 8 min and enough gas in the tank for around 30 min. Only have one tank and am not comfortable using an exit bag or hood over my head. If the gas and mask are not successful then the pills swallowed should take me to my destination.

Think this will work? I want it to be quick and painless. Other options for me would be a potassium chloride solution injected intravenously to stop the heart. I am not comfortable using something like sodium nitrite that would potentially be agonizing. From my research, Switzerland allows euthanasia by lethal injection for those who are in physical pain but unfortunately they require a witness from home to accompany you and nobody I know would be willing to travel with me. Responses and feedback would be appreciated. Thank you.

 

[Seiba]

I'm not educated enough on nitrogen to say. I will give a reply regardless so possibly your thread will be up there enough in pages to get an educated response later on. By silver nitrate do you mean sodium nitrite? It is not really that painful as far as I'm aware.

 

[Chronic]

I'm not educated enough on nitrogen to say. I will give a reply regardless so possibly your thread will be up there enough in pages to get an educated response later on. By silver nitrate do you mean sodium nitrite? It is not really that painful as far as I'm aware.

Yes...my mistake in typing with the nitrite. Will fix it in the original post if able. The gas is 20 percent carbon monoxide and should be very lethal, more so than just nitrogen alone since the body actually prefers carbon monoxide over oxygen so any ambient oxygen that leaks past the mask should (in theory) not matter since hypoxia will be largely due to the carbon monoxide. My last part needed should arrive in a week...an adapter so I can connect the regulator I have to the tank I have. Thanks for the response.

 

[Seiba]

I see, just wanted to make sure since when googling does bring up results for silver nitrate as a chemical compound.

 

[Its time its time]

You don't need a witness if you can provide 2 pieces of documents - x-ray of your teeth and signed off by a dentist & finger prints from your police station. I'm helping a close friend to travel to Swiss so that's the process if a witness is not able to be present.

 

[Chronic]

You don't need a witness if you can provide 2 pieces of documents - x-ray of your teeth and signed off by a dentist & finger prints from your police station. I'm helping a close friend to travel to Swiss so that's the process if a witness is not able to be present.

It is very kind of you to help your friend. I am only 42 years old but feel much much older with the many years of physical pain I have endured. Perhaps I should enquire if the orgs in Switzerland would assist someone like me. Thank you for the info. Apparently Canada is working on an option for those suffering as well that I need to research more. It would be closer and easier for me to travel there.

 

[Its time its time]

I suggest Pegasos. They are the newest kid on the block, they are less strict than the other organisations such as dignitas. Age and physical suffering are 2 key factors. Mental health is usually very hard to justify or almost impossible.

 

[boc]

It is very kind of you to help your friend. I am only 42 years old but feel much much older with the many years of physical pain I have endured. Perhaps I should enquire if the orgs in Switzerland would assist someone like me. Thank you for the info. Apparently Canada is working on an option for those suffering as well that I need to research more. It would be closer and easier for me to travel there.

Canada's laws prohibit suicide 'tourism', so it's only available to permanent residents. Swiss would be the best route.

 

[Chronic]

Canada's laws prohibit suicide 'tourism', so it's only available to permanent residents. Swiss would be the best route.

Thanks. Already talked with the company in Switzerland mentioned by another poster and got my questions answered about the process. Seems like the way to go.

 

[Foreversad]

You don't need a witness if you can provide 2 pieces of documents - x-ray of your teeth and signed off by a dentist & finger prints from your police station. I'm helping a close friend to travel to Swiss so that's the process if a witness is not able to be present.

Pegasos?
Both of them needed?
How are we suppose to ask for fingerprint and teeth xray?

 

[mindcancer]

Just wanted to add that diluted nitrogen is not recommended. If it's diluted with oxygen, it will not work. If it's diluted with CO2, your body's hypercapnic alarm response may kick in. I've never heard of a mixture containing 80% nitrogen and 20% CO. Are you sure it's not CO2? I'm not educated enough concerning the medication you're planning to take so, I won't comment.

 

[Chronic]

Pegasos?
Both of them needed?
How are we suppose to ask for fingerprint and teeth xray?

They said they could arrange a local witness if needed.

Just wanted to add that diluted nitrogen is not recommended. If it's diluted with oxygen, it will not work. If it's diluted with CO2, your body's hypercapnic alarm response may kick in. I've never heard of a mixture containing 80% nitrogen and 20% CO. Are you sure it's not CO2? I'm not educated enough concerning the medication you're planning to take so, I won't comment.

Positive it is carbon monoxide and got a cylinder with as much monoxide as I could obtain. Technically a calibration gas but has 20 percent monoxide and 80 percent nitrogen. 20 percent monoxide should get it done within single digits minutes even if ambient oxygen leaks past the non-rebreather mask. I may still end up giving my method a try since my health makes it difficult to travel.

 

[Foreversad]

They said they could arrange a local witness if needed.

Positive it is carbon monoxide and got a cylinder with as much monoxide as I could obtain. Technically a calibration gas but has 20 percent monoxide and 80 percent nitrogen. 20 percent monoxide should get it done within single digits minutes even if ambient oxygen leaks past the non-rebreather mask. I may still end up giving my method a try since my health makes it difficult to travel.

Awesome .have you done any application?

 

[Chronic]

Awesome .have you done any application?

No because cost around $5k USD to initiate the app process with med records and such then around another $5k for the procedure so I'm still debating when and how.

 

[Foreversad]

No because cost around $5k USD to initiate the app process with med records and such then around another $5k for the procedure so I'm still debating when and how.

I see .youre achronic sufferer too? Ive also heard they need teeth xray(!?)

 

[Chronic]

I see .youre achronic sufferer too? Ive also heard they need teeth xray(!?)

Yes...chronic pain for over 25 years and it keeps getting worse. -- They are quick to respond if you email them with questions.

 

[Foreversad]

Yes...chronic pain for over 25 years and it keeps getting worse. -- They are quick to respond if you email them with questions.

Yes thesse guys are fine pricey but fine

 

[Chronic]

More info on carbon monoxide for others interested. Carbon monoxide was what Kevorkian used for most of the assisted deaths. From the internet...

20%	200,000 ppm

Carbon monoxide exposure...

12,800 PPM

Immediate physiological effects, unconsciousness. Death within 1-3 minutes of exposure.

"Death by poisoning from carbon monoxide can be reliable, quick and peaceful, provided the concentration of the inhaled gas is sufficiently high. In the 1990s, Dr Jack Kevorkian helped more than 100 seriously ill people to end their lives peacefully, nearly half of whom used carbon monoxide. Dr Kevorkian used a cylinder of compressed carbon monoxide (9% CO in Nitrogen). The person wanting to die switched on the gas at the cylinder and breathed through a loose-fitting face mask. A few deep breaths of the carbon monoxide-nitrogen mixture and the person lost consciousness and died quickly. Dr Kevorkian would then switch off the gas and remove the cylinder and face mask. Those present at these deaths described the effectiveness and peacefulness of the approach." ... Second link below says Kevorkian used 30% CO.

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[pthnrdnojvsc]

I have severe pain from a spinal injury and have lived with it for over 25 years and other things in my life are falling apart as well and I feel the time to exit keeps getting closer. If others could review my plan I'd appreciate it. Hope what I post here is okay by the rules and will welcome any feedback if I mention something I shouldn't.

So I have sedatives but not benzos unfortunately so I would be unable to take all the meds required for DDMP2 but hope I can do it with the pain meds I have (a lot but only 1/2 what is suggested as per DDMP2). Plan is to take sedatives until I am very tired then take Dramamine to prevent nausea 30 min prior to the pain meds. Grind up pain meds and mix with 4 ounces of ethanol since it is a potentiator and take at once. Supposed to sit up for 30 min after ingesting. Immediately after swallowing I plan on putting on a non-rebreather mask (the O2 masks with the bag) and turn on a tank that is connected to the mask. Tank is one of the small 550 liters and I have a regulator so I can set the flow rate to 15 LPM. Gas is 80 percent nitrogen and 20 percent carbon monoxide. Death should occur from the gas alone in 5 to 8 min and enough gas in the tank for around 30 min. Only have one tank and am not comfortable using an exit bag or hood over my head. If the gas and mask are not successful then the pills swallowed should take me to my destination.

Think this will work? I want it to be quick and painless. Other options for me would be a potassium chloride solution injected intravenously to stop the heart. I am not comfortable using something like sodium nitrite that would potentially be agonizing. From my research, Switzerland allows euthanasia by lethal injection for those who are in physical pain but unfortunately they require a witness from home to accompany you and nobody I know would be willing to travel with me. Responses and feedback would be appreciated. Thank you.

I'm in the U.S. (United States) . I don't know if you are in the same country. if you are could you PM where or how you obtained that 550 liter tank that is 20 % co and balance nitrogen? or is it ok to PM you to ask about it. ?

 

[primavera1956]

not a good idea

 

[Chronic]

not a good idea

Why?

 

[Chronic]

Time to catch the bus. Later.

 

[Anonymous 4]

It is best to use 100℅ nitrogen, the reason your SI will kick in is not lack of oxygen but the build up of carbon, this will make you feel like your chocking, the beauty of pure nitrogen is your still breathing before you pass out, so there is no feeling of suffocation, DO NOT dilute the nitrogen, 78% of the air we breath is nitrogen, not oxygen, this is why its not a issue.

 

[primavera1956]

Non conosco queste maschere. Mi sembra che non sia facile da gestire. Hai l'esempio di qualcuno che ha usato questo modo? è solo il mio

È meglio usare 100 di azoto, il motivo per cui il tuo SI entrerà in azione non è la mancanza di ossigeno ma l'accumulo di carbonio, questo ti farà sentire come se fossi soffocato, la bellezza dell'azoto puro è il tuo respiro ancora prima di svenire , quindi non c'è sensazione di soffocamento, NON diluire l'azoto, il 78% dell'aria che respiriamo è azoto, non ossigeno, ecco perché non è un problema.

I understand. Thanks.