Method Planning my car "accident"

[Natasha]

Hello everyone, well english is not my native language, so sorry for the spelling mistakes.

I've been wanting to ctb for a 2 years now, but I was afraid of my parents' suffering when they find out that their daughter killed herself (recently a family member commit suicide by stabbing himself and the feeling that "we could have done something" sticked w their parents), i don't want my parents to feel that way so I thought to end my life with a "car accident".

I waited for my 18th birthday and started the process of get the drive license, and in a few days I'll get it and I am thinking about how to make the attempt to ctb the most effective plan possible, so if you want to give me some tips I would be grateful.

My plan is to go down a slope towards a tree collision at about 80/90 km per hour (about 60 miles). See the path here

 

[sleepless]

I don't think it's a good idea. I'm assuming you are driving a modern car, which have airbags. Even if you are not, there is no guarantee of death. You may end critically injured in a hospital, not only prolonging your suffering, but it could get inherently worse than your existing state. Besides, I wish to add with regards to the tree you showed us, the curb will drastically disrupt your speed on impact, and some trees don't seem as sturdy as they look.

 

[hejakdgiwbq]

I would look for a long road with something solid at the end such as a wall, so you can build up speed. Disable the airbags if you can and it would probably help to not wear your seatbelt.

 

[LifeOver]

I don't think it's a good idea. I'm assuming you are driving a modern car, which have airbags. Even if you are not, there is no guarantee of death. You may end critically injured in a hospital, not only prolonging your suffering, but it could get inherently worse than your existing state. Besides, I wish to add with regards to the tree you showed us, the curb will drastically disrupt your speed on impact, and some trees don't seem as sturdy as they look.

I agree with this. If you are insistent on dying by car accident, try driving off a bridge or cliff. Otherwise, choose a different method: car accidents are not reliable to cause death.

 

[Lookingforabus]

For an "accidental" death, I'd go with drugs/alcohol... then again, I've been trying to drink myself to death for a couple decades, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Perhaps if I'd gotten really drunk and gone swimming or climbing or something.

In any event, cars are expensive and come with many safety features these days to make them much less deadly. You can disable some like seatbelts and airbags, but crumple zones and other design features (like soft dashboards and steering wheels that compress on impact) are just part of the design you can't do anything about. Also, I don't know how things are in your part of the world, but over here, when accident investigators see a high speed impact without skid marks (from hard braking), they know what that means.

 

[Baskol1]

I think jumping from over 30 meters would be a better method. if you jump from a place high enough, death is guaranteed.

 

[sleepless]

For an "accidental" death, I'd go with drugs/alcohol... then again, I've been trying to drink myself to death for a couple decades, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Perhaps if I'd gotten really drunk and gone swimming or climbing or something.

I've always fantasized about drinking myself to death. I used to drink like a fish in my 20s. Also when see a post like this, it always reminds me of the movie Leaving Las Vegas.

 

[Natasha]

I don't think it's a good idea. I'm assuming you are driving a modern car, which have airbags. Even if you are not, there is no guarantee of death. You may end critically injured in a hospital, not only prolonging your suffering, but it could get inherently worse than your existing state. Besides, I wish to add with regards to the tree you showed us, the curb will drastically disrupt your speed on impact, and some trees don't seem as sturdy as they look.

Oh it's that modern it's actually a jeep cherooke from 1998. So to increase my chances i though to take some anticoagulant pill and be dehydrated idk

I would look for a long road with something solid at the end such as a wall, so you can build up speed. Disable the airbags if you can and it would probably help to not wear your seatbelt.

Oh every fatal crash i've seen has an certainly angle like this. I assume that the power concentrated impact at this angle causes more damage than on a wall

I think jumping from over 30 meters would be a better method. if you jump from a place high enough, death is guaranteed.

You are probably right but as i want to make it seen as an accident as possible, there's no cliff like that near me and there's no reason to go to a distant highway all by myself

 

[dark_thoughts]

They'll prolly know anyway based on the fact that you sped up and didn't engage the brakes so like the others say...find a more reliable method. You could 'fall' from a very high cliff or something. Take a vacation somewhere where there's a cliff of suitable height. Get yourself some hiking gear...a couple of granola bars...Take a few smiling selfies...

 

[Baskol1]

They'll prolly know anyway based on the fact that you sped up and didn't engage the brakes so like the others say...find a more reliable method. You could 'fall' from a very high cliff or something. Take a vacation somewhere where there's a cliff of suitable height. Get yourself some hiking gear...a couple of granola bars...Take a few smiling selfies...

Yes a few hundred meters should be absolutely deadly.

 

[Lookingforabus]

Oh it's that modern it's actually a jeep cherooke from 1998. So to increase my chances i though to take some anticoagulant pill and be dehydrated idk

That's modern enough to have an event data recorder (a little computer that records things like speed, braking and the like)... so, accident investigators are going to be able to figure out pretty quickly that this was a suicide.

On another note, if you want to bleed out, you don't want to be dehydrated. Dehydration slows the flow of blood.

 

[justanotherday]

Hello everyone, well english is not my native language, so sorry for the spelling mistakes.

I've been wanting to ctb for a 2 years now, but I was afraid of my parents' suffering when they find out that their daughter killed herself (recently a family member commit suicide by stabbing himself and the feeling that "we could have done something" sticked w their parents), i don't want my parents to feel that way so I thought to end my life with a "car accident".

I waited for my 18th birthday and started the process of get the drive license, and in a few days I'll get it and I am thinking about how to make the attempt to ctb the most effective plan possible, so if you want to give me some tips I would be grateful.

My plan is to go down a slope towards a tree collision at about 80/90 km per hour (about 60 miles). See the path hereView attachment 14834View attachment 14835View attachment 14836

You may not die, but end up paralyzed and disfigured.

 

[DeathImminent]

Please change your method, this is very bad idea. I wanted to do this with companies car at work while driving 200km/h. This method has high chance of surviving with you end up being paralyzed and vegetable.

 

[Lennox]

Look, I think you should think long and hard about what to write on a note, trying to explain to your parents your motives, that there was nothing they could have done. Exculpating them from any blame or wrongdoing. It might just work.

Then switch to a method that doesn't have a high chance of survival with sequelae, like your current one.

 

[Natasha]

That's modern enough to have an event data recorder (a little computer that records things like speed, braking and the like)... so, accident investigators are going to be able to figure out pretty quickly that this was a suicide.

On another note, if you want to bleed out, you don't want to be dehydrated. Dehydration slows the flow of blood.

Are you libertarian/ancap? One thing that makes me want live a little more is to know better the work of Rothbard, Mises, Hoppe, Kant etc...

 

[color_me_gone]

As others have said, this is an extremely risky method.
Chances are very good you will severely mess yourself up, and not die.
Investigators can smell a suicide from a mile away, so you will not accomplish your intended purpose.
In fact, it's worse, because your folks will be told it is suicide, and without a note, they will blame themselves.

People die in car crashes all the time, but you know Murphy's Law, if you want to die, you won't.
There is a reason for not having a "ctb by car crash" megathread on this forum.
I suggest living a little longer, and get to know the works of those fellows you mentioned.

 

[Worndown]

Modern cars are designed to die so you can live. Even higher speed and bad angles are usually survivable. Getting t-boned is bad, but then you put another life at risk.

Better to climb the tree and fall out. Still no guarantee.

 

[Lookingforabus]

Are you libertarian/ancap? One thing that makes me want live a little more is to know better the work of Rothbard, Mises, Hoppe, Kant etc...

Let me guess, the ancap flag avatar gave me away, didn't it?

Yes, after decades of libertarianism, I went full blown ancap a few years ago. Sadly, I long ago gave up hope of the world seeing anything resembling even libertarianism in practice, even if I were to live another hundred years. (If you want to be depressed, read
The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude - it was written in the 1500's). Oh well, such is life.

Personally, I'm a fan of Larken Rose's book (The Most Dangerous Superstition) if you're looking for a quick, accessible read. Most of it's available for free in preview form, (there are also free PDF copies on the web) and there's a video summary on YouTube that's rather well done.

 

[Luchs]

Hello everyone, well english is not my native language, so sorry for the spelling mistakes.

I've been wanting to ctb for a 2 years now, but I was afraid of my parents' suffering when they find out that their daughter killed herself (recently a family member commit suicide by stabbing himself and the feeling that "we could have done something" sticked w their parents), i don't want my parents to feel that way so I thought to end my life with a "car accident".

I waited for my 18th birthday and started the process of get the drive license, and in a few days I'll get it and I am thinking about how to make the attempt to ctb the most effective plan possible, so if you want to give me some tips I would be grateful.

My plan is to go down a slope towards a tree collision at about 80/90 km per hour (about 60 miles). See the path hereView attachment 14834View attachment 14835View attachment 14836

If you are a good enough driver you could try to drift into the tree instead of going head-on. But a car crash is not a reliable method to ctb, you shouldn't do it.

As others have said, this is an extremely risky method.
Chances are very good you will severely mess yourself up, and not die.
Investigators can smell a suicide from a mile away, so you will not accomplish your intended purpose.
In fact, it's worse, because your folks will be told it is suicide, and without a note, they will blame themselves.

People die in car crashes all the time, but you know Murphy's Law, if you want to die, you won't.
There is a reason for not having a "ctb by car crash" megathread on this forum.
I suggest living a little longer, and get to know the works of those fellows you mentioned.

I definetly second that. It's not a good plan, you really shouldn't do it. There is a high chance you'll survive as a cripple and the rest of your life will suck even more than it probably already does.

 

[Baskol1]

Let me guess, the ancap flag avatar gave me away, didn't it?

Yes, after decades of libertarianism, I went full blown ancap a few years ago. Sadly, I long ago gave up hope of the world seeing anything resembling even libertarianism in practice, even if I were to live another hundred years. (If you want to be depressed, read
The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude - it was written in the 1500's). Oh well, such is life.

Personally, I'm a fan of Larken Rose's book (The Most Dangerous Superstition) if you're looking for a quick, accessible read. Most of it's available for free in preview form, (there are also free PDF copies on the web) and there's a video summary on YouTube that's rather well done.

Im a Libertarian too, and it makes sense for a libertarian to be pro choice with your own life.

 

[Luchs]

Let me guess, the ancap flag avatar gave me away, didn't it?

Yes, after decades of libertarianism, I went full blown ancap a few years ago. Sadly, I long ago gave up hope of the world seeing anything resembling even libertarianism in practice, even if I were to live another hundred years. (If you want to be depressed, read
The Politics of Obedience: The Discourse of Voluntary Servitude - it was written in the 1500's). Oh well, such is life.

Personally, I'm a fan of Larken Rose's book (The Most Dangerous Superstition) if you're looking for a quick, accessible read. Most of it's available for free in preview form, (there are also free PDF copies on the web) and there's a video summary on YouTube that's rather well done.

Hahaha. I've been all over the political spectrum. From liberal-socialist to communist to An-Cap to monarchism. For a few years now I've been an Austrofascist. I turned to authoritarianism because if the world isn't going to fix itself we'll have to force it to.

 

[Baskol1]

Hahaha. I've been all over the political spectrum. From liberal-socialist to communist to An-Cap to monarchism. For a few years now I've been an Austrofascist. I turned to authoritarianism because if the world isn't going to fix itself we'll have to force it to.

You dont understand, authoritarianism is the problem.

 

[Luchs]

You dont understand, authoritarianism is the problem.

In my oppinion the biggest problems of todays society is that people have no discipline and target in sight. We just float around in an endless sea of instant-gratification without any target in sight or point to it.

 

[Suicidal4Ever]

If i had a car i'd try this out. Seems quick enough

 

[SelfHatingAspie]

I've considered this method, but I've also ruled it out.

In order to successfully ctb in a car wreck, you'd need a vehicle that's at least 25 years old. Most cars made in the last 25 years have airbags, thus making them safer to crash in (unless your car has those Takata airbags, but then even that's no guarantee that the airbag will kill you). Even if you disable the airbags (which isn't that hard to do), the car itself might be a bit too safe because of crumple zones and safety cage structures.

Then there's the speed you're suggesting ... 90km/h (about 55mph) probably won't do it. My plan was to hit a stationary object at a minimum of 130km/h (about 85mph) in a car without an airbag and wearing a loose-fitting seat belt, to ensure that my brain hit the front of my skull with the same ferocity as my car hitting the stationary object, whilst stopping my body from being flung out of the car which would give my brain more time to decelerate prior to my final impact. The theory being that my brain hitting the inside of my skull at 130km/h would cause enough of a shock to kill me instantly.

The biggest problem is that - no matter how ready you are to ctb - there is the real risk of a subconscious survival instinct kicking in at the very last second, which could lead to you swerving away from the object, rolling your car and surviving. The injuries sustained from this attempted crash may just make you feel even more desperate to ctb.

The only reliable methods I can think of involving a car are either as an enclosed space for something like CO or S2N, or parking the car on a train track and waiting for the next freight train to come along. Whilst the impact of a train will rip virtually any car apart and almost instantly kill its occupants, it may be at the expense of an innocent train driver just doing his or her job. Think along the lines of psychological injury rather than physical injury to said driver.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

how high is the possiblity that you will survive (with permanent damage) and your live is more fucked then ever? what happens if you chicken out 1 second before the impact and turn the steering wheel around or hit the brake?

 

[gulrotpinne]

Dont do this. Too much of a chance to survive with permanent damage.

 

[Bukmeikara1]

Natasha, if you are worried about your parents than maybe you should rethink the whole thing. You said that your are 18, I assume if you have a driver license, also healthy. I cant possibly know what you are going through but I guess its up to me to tell that you are still very, very young.

Hope you find peace whatever you choose

 

[Natasha]

Im a Libertarian too, and it makes sense for a libertarian to be pro choice with your own life.

It's a contradiction to me in child/teen suicide, i mean when a psycho child kills intentionaly another person it's seems fair to me to them to be judged and condemned, it feels that they know what they were doing, so the free will consciousness should also be applied when a 10 year old kid commit suicide, since it was an individual decision. At the same time it's repulsive to be a pro choice when it's about kids/teens, at the same time if they don't know what they doing all teens murders should be forgiven

 

[SelfHatingAspie]

Natasha, if you are worried about your parents than maybe you should rethink the whole thing. You said that your are 18, I assume if you have a driver license, also healthy. I cant possibly know what you are going through but I guess its up to me to tell that you are still very, very young.

Hope you find peace whatever you choose

I agree. Whilst I am staunchly pro-choice, it saddens me whenever someone in their teens (or even pre-teens ) or 20s arrives at the conclusion that ctb is their only option.

That said, an attempt to ctb by staging a car "accident" is a bad idea irrespective of one's age.