Phenobarbital as an alternative to Pento (Nembutal from D)

[HopefulButPrepared]

I have acquired 10 grams of phenobarbital. This is a liquid that has to be drunk (about a pint, but doesn't taste too bad, and I have a test kit on the way to make sure it's real, and I have meto) I have read that alcohol will hasten this slower acting barbiturate. Would anyone here risk doing the N protocol, but with pheno and just with some strong alcohol as an extra. I can book into a hotel and leave the 'do not disturb' on the door, or even book into a caravan site where they don't do housekeeping until you're gone. Maybe even a campsite in a tent, but moans and groans maybe audible to others that way.

I also have 5 grams of amatriptyline, and hundreds of Xanax and valium, and some Oxy. Would anyone incorporate these, to make it a multi method?

I also have a lot of diphenhydramine for extra sedation, and gabapentin, which is sedating for me, also some remeron/mirtazapine which is very sedating. These are just extras for sedation. More sedation the better!

What would you do this in scenerio?

I'm not asking what I should do, just what you would do if you had aquired all this?

I can continue to acquire more amatriptyline, and just do the amatriptyline PPH method.

Would you try the pheno, if it doesn't work, then try the amatrip? Because if you tried the amatrip first and failed, you may be too messed up to then try the pheno as back up! Not ideal.

I also have SN as another back up.

I'm just asking what would YOU do, not what I should do.

Thanks for any informative input.

 

[AliceTheGoon]

I'd search the forum for phenobarbital

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

I'd search the forum for phenobarbital

I have done that, it just seems like a grey area that no one seems to be too sure of what to do with. The length of time to coma and death seems to be the main issue. The order of methods to try is the issue too, so if one doesn't work, you're still in a fit enough state to try another afterwards. I'm guessing amatriptyline will leave you the worse off if it doesn't work, so I suspect that would be the last port of call, if using one method at a time, unless you're using one of the multimethods from the PPH.

 

[Euthanza]

The reported fatal dose of phenobarabital in literature is 10 g with serum concentration of 80 mg/L [7]. Our patient took approximately twice the fatal dose was hemodynamically stable likely due to long-term tolerance to phenobarbital.Jan 31, 2018 -clinmedjournal.org

I will not experiment on unknown route for CTB. Perhaps I'm gonna test it on mice first then draw conclusion from there if I have 30-40g of phenobarbital, but the priority is to source N.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

I will not experiment on unknown route for CTB. Perhaps I'm gonna test it on mice first then draw conclusion from there if have 30-40g pf phenobarbital, but the priority is to source N.

So they had a tolerance already. I've never touched the stuff, except one weak pill I tried a while back which gave me the weirdest night sleep ever - woke up about 10 times and every period of sleep was full of nightmares - very strange drug - I tried zopiclone once and it kept me awake all night and gave me the worst depression for the next 48 hours - everyone's response is different I suppose

 

[Euthanza]

So they had a tolerance already. I've never touched the stuff, except one weak pill I tried a while back which gave me the weirdest night sleep ever - woke up about 10 times and every period of sleep was full of nightmares - very strange drug - I tried zopiclone once and it kept me awake all night and gave me the worst depression for the next 48 hours - everyone's response is different I suppose

Then it means better not to fail the attempt.

It's slow acting, probably 3-4x times fatal dose can make it quicker, I guess nobody knows. I won't argue with the professional on this field, afaik DDMP and propofol need some sorts of mixing.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

Then it means better not to fail the attempt.

It's slow acting, probably 3-4x times fatal dose can make it quicker, I guess nobody knows. I won't argue with the professional on this field, afaik DDMP and propofol need some sorts of mixing.

I have 10 grams, which is fatal dose, but is already a pint of liquid - maybe I should take the 10 grams of amatriptyline with it that I've eventually have - I'm sure mixing these two was in the PPH, plus benzos and alcohol - part of me thinks I should get in full hang position, down all drugs, then wait for sedation to cause fall, and hopefully won't be too aware of hanging sensation - can't see how I'd survive that

 

[Euthanza]

I have 10 grams, which is fatal dose, but is already a pint of liquid - maybe I should take the 10 grams of amatriptyline with it that I've eventually have - I'm sure mixing these two was in the PPH, plus benzos and alcohol - part of me thinks I should get in full hang position, down all drugs, then wait for sedation to cause fall, and hopefully won't be too aware of hanging sensation - can't see how I'd survive that

I guess it would make DDMAPh but with morphine substitutes which make about 50% composition in the PPeH

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

I guess it would make DDMAPh but with morphine substitutes which make about 50% of the PPeH composition

I'll have to have a good look at that, thanks