Petition against SS

[Deleted member 22650]

I typed SS in the google search bar to see if I can find another forum like this and I came across couple petitions asking for SS to shutdown..
They claim they lost their daughter to this site and that she could have been saved with psychiatry, of course children might look at this site
but that is not the first site you come across when you search on google " How to kill yourself ".

You have to be pretty motivated to find out about this site, if your child found this site, it's probably not the first time they think about this.
They probably tried to tell you about it before and you ignored it or you were not receptive to it and send them to therapist which did
nothing good for them aside from the fact that they cannot trust you anymore... In which they search for complete strangers on the internet
that would have similar issues, those strangers probably listen to his/her concerns and showed him/her more love in a matter of couple months then
you in your whole life as a mother, you didn't know what your child was going through and you did not care.
They found comfort here and they are now at peace.. Bless their brave soul for going through all that hassle alone.

Oh and i almost forgot, she mentions that we are linked to child abusers who only want to fuck over children.
What a fucking retard she is.

On a brighter note, how have you found SS?
Personally I had to go through multiple Discord servers and forums before I found a link to in.
Best thing ever happened. God bless SS

 

[sadworld]

Yeah, many people think SS is a pro-suicide site even tho it's pro-choice and that's a huuuge difference. I don't remember exactly how i found this site but i think i saw something on reddit about it.

 

[Deleted member 22650]

Yeah, many people think SS is a pro-suicide site even tho it's pro-choice and that's a huuuge difference. I don't remember exactly how i found this site but i think i saw something on reddit about it.

Yeah i would never encourage someone going through a tough time to end his life, that choice doesn't belong to me, but if he decided after all that's the only solution, I would gladly share any bits of info I have to make his flight, the safest and the most peaceful possible.

 

[Soulless Angel]

I saw the same petition and was going to post here, asking if we could a petition against the petition, they realised I didn't even want to give those people the typing time, they all watch us, all assuming the wrong thing, only looking at the suicide section of this place, refusing to acknowledge the recovery forum, the fun threads, the hang out area's, and the general warmth this forum can provide.
It's awful that they lost loved one's to suicide, but they simply cannot blame a forum for it, but they will, because it makes them feel less like a failure in not being able to save a person, whom clearly did not want to be saved.

That all aside,

I found this site by accident, but glad I did, here over a year and wouldn't be without it. Its been hard though, getting to know people, as best as you can for these sites, and then seeing them leave, some complete, others move on, others turn out to be trolls, but the latter aside, this forum, has kept me here to this day!

The night I was sat on a bridge 3 weeks back, I posted it on here..... I had PMs, some of those PMs helped me through, and even though I don't know my intention, those PM's helped me from that bridge that night...
Suck that pro lifers who think this forum is only about encouraging ctb!

 

[Jellyfish42]

My introduction to this site began when I was searching for genuine discussions about suicide. Like the philosophical side of things, the reasonings behind why people choose suicide, etc. Almost every other page was just a copy paste of suicide hotlines. No one on the other sites was actually discussing suicide itself.

 

[DoNotLet2]

A good childhood psychiatrist is like an unicorn - doesn't exist though there are people who claim they saw it.

We should stop calling them pro lifers because if they were pro life they would do anything for us. It's always the same with extremely rare exceptions. They only listen to you when you are extremely suicidal. When you get a bit better they ditch you because "you're hard to deal with". What do they do except for fighting this side? Do they provide us with good therapists? No. People often say "you had 10 bad therapists? Go search for another, maybe the 11st will be better".

You see media lie to them. Influencers say that therapy is something easy and trivial "I had complexes and they cured me out of them". Mild complexes can't be compared to complicated mental disorders in which case it's extremely wearing and tearing out to have a therapy.
Many "specialists" know nothing they merely have a paper they finished a university.

And I agree that the girl probably wouldn't have killed herself if someone had helped her before. They just want to get rid of the responsibility.

 

[Cant Maintain]

i had a friend and her partner die of some mysterious "fish jerky" preservative that i had already known about, so I wound up doing a few hours of research since I was already contemplating rope, and bam. Here I landed, ready to pack the rope away in favor of something that was a little more successful in my circle. Honestly this site has kept me alive way longer than I would have otherwise. This community is awesome and honestly if it ever went down i feel like it would just hasten a lot of peoples efforts

 

[Tegan_sky]

I found the petition you speak of, and another one about this site as well. One of them has posts of "reasons for signing the petition" that are 5 and 7 months old. The other petition has "reasons for signing" that are more recent, in the last month or two. Nothing has happened and hopefully they can't shut the site down. Looking to see if another good website "Lost All Hope" has had petitions, they have had petitions at times trying to shut that site down too. It never worked. I first found "Lost All Hope" in 2010 and it is still online to this day. They want to take away these sites, the only places FOR people who have severe depression, BY for people who have or have had serious depression to the point of suicide. Only people who have been through this themselves really understand. These pat, predictable, contrived comments in the petitions, "reasons for signing the petition" such as people saying "Every life should be saved," or "one life lost is one life too many" these kinds of comments make me angry for some reason. People wanting to leave the suicidal people without people who truly understand, leaving us to look to the majority who DON'T understand and don't help.

This takes me to an off topic remark, but related, the "National Suicide Prevention Hotline." The vast majority of volunteers on that hotline have never been suicidal or depressed themselves, they want to volunteer as a "feel good that I'm helping" kind of thing, and have nothing of substance to say to the suicidal caller, leaving one to feel more alone than they did before making the call. It was so bad for me on the "hotline" about a year ago that I hung up on them.

I had a friend in alcohol recovery years ago, going through group therapy for the child sexual abuse that she went through. She would just boldly put things out there. And she said "If they haven't been through it themselves, they have nothing to offer me." I say the people starting these "petitions" should have at least been depressed or suicidal themselves before trying to take supportive sites like this down. Both this site and the Lost All Hope site have helped me greatly in my suicidal bouts, such understanding from people who have BEEN THERE. And here I am, still alive. Not everyone who comes to these sites wants to kill themselves, they want to be truly understood and heard.

 

[AJ95]

SS is amazing, I found my way here after trying to find a.s.h if anyone here knows what that is, it was like the original SS.

Anyway without this place I probably wouldn't have been able to kill myself successfully, the information here is amazing and has taught me about SN which I've now ordered, as well as how to hang myself properly if all else fails.

Lots of love to all the people here

 

[k75]

Don't worry, they can't shut the site down. Nothing will ever come out of these petitions. I'm sorry her family is still in so much pain, but it's misdirected and they've been trying this crap for well over a year.

 

[SHThrowAway213]

Those petitions are fucking ridiculous and is trying to take away a very good site.
I was part of the SS subreddit.

 

[Deleted member 22650]

I found the petition you speak of, and another one about this site as well. One of them has posts of "reasons for signing the petition" that are 5 and 7 months old. The other petition has "reasons for signing" that are more recent, in the last month or two. Nothing has happened and hopefully they can't shut the site down. Looking to see if another good website "Lost All Hope" has had petitions, they have had petitions at times trying to shut that site down too. It never worked. I first found "Lost All Hope" in 2010 and it is still online to this day. They want to take away these sites, the only places FOR people who have severe depression, BY for people who have or have had serious depression to the point of suicide. Only people who have been through this themselves really understand. These pat, predictable, contrived comments in the petitions, "reasons for signing the petition" such as people saying "Every life should be saved," or "one life lost is one life too many" these kinds of comments make me angry for some reason. People wanting to leave the suicidal people without people who truly understand, leaving us to look to the majority who DON'T understand and don't help.

This takes me to an off topic remark, but related, the "National Suicide Prevention Hotline." The vast majority of volunteers on that hotline have never been suicidal or depressed themselves, they want to volunteer as a "feel good that I'm helping" kind of thing, and have nothing of substance to say to the suicidal caller, leaving one to feel more alone than they did before making the call. It was so bad for me on the "hotline" about a year ago that I hung up on them.

I had a friend in alcohol recovery years ago, going through group therapy for the child sexual abuse that she went through. She would just boldly put things out there. And she said "If they haven't been through it themselves, they have nothing to offer me." I say the people starting these "petitions" should have at least been depressed or suicidal themselves before trying to take supportive sites like this down. Both this site and the Lost All Hope site have helped me greatly in my suicidal bouts, such understanding from people who have BEEN THERE. And here I am, still alive. Not everyone who comes to these sites wants to kill themselves, they want to be truly understood and heard.

I strongly agree with those Hotlines, that's like talking about a serie to someone who never watched it, you can try as hard as you want you will never understand it.

 

[It'sNotLookingGood]

but that is not the first site you come across when you search on google " How to kill yourself ".

You have to be pretty motivated to find out about this site, if your child found this site, it's probably not the first time they think about this.

Agreed. Google makes this site incredibly hard to find. It's not so bad with other search engines like duckduckgo, but almost everyone uses google.

 

[Sherri]

Yes I've stumbled on a page fix the 26. They are really upset at us. The things they write, literally without any concern of what we are going through.

 

[_Kaira_]

If people can put blame on something else for a tragedy, they will.

I've lurked here for the longest time. I don't recall how I found SS. When I finally made an account a few days ago, I was probably at my lowest point in a while. I immediately went to the partners thread for a way out. Decided to give it a little while longer now that I'm finally able to speak to others who share similar experiences and thoughts. Only waited my whole life to be able to.

 

[Sherri]

this is what u found out on their page. Disgusting.

If people can put blame on something else for a tragedy, they will.

I've lurked here for the longest time. I don't recall how I found SS. When I finally made an account a few days ago, I was probably at my lowest point in a while. I immediately went to the partners thread for a way out. Decided to give it a little while longer now that I'm finally able to speak to others who share similar experiences and thoughts. Only waited my whole life to be able to.

Yeah look at what I found bellow on Their page. vile people.

 

[Marchioness]

I couldn't find this site anywhere on Google. I had read an anti support article about it and then I used a different search engine. I like this site, when I first came I read the methods forums but now that I've been awhile and like the people here I mostly hang out in the off topic forums.

 

[_Kaira_]

this is what u found out on their page. Disgusting.View attachment 47121

Yeah look at what I found bellow on Their page. vile people.

So shut down one of the only websites that helps at least some of us cope with our issues, and even helps some people decide not to CTB. It sucks that they want us to just go to 'professional' help and rely on drugs to give us the happy. Problems definitely wouldn't come out of that.....if people desperately want to ctb, they will, and without proper methods they could end up even further damaging their lives if they survived. People really do have flawed logic.

They wanna know a better way to help us? Find a way to improve the damn healthcare system, or even change the stigma around mental illness and stop making us feel shittier about our lives.

 

[Sherri]

So shut down one of the only websites that helps at least some of us cope with our issues, and even helps some people decide not to CTB. It sucks that they want us to just go to 'professional' help and rely on drugs to give us the happy. Problems definitely wouldn't come out of that.....if people desperately want to ctb, they will, and without proper methods they could end up even further damaging their lives if they survived. People really do have flawed logic.

They wanna know a better way to help us? Find a way to improve the damn healthcare system, or even change the stigma around mental illness and stop making us feel shittier about our lives.

My thoughts exactly. They rather blame us than them. when I saw this in their webpage i was like bastards!!! How can you do that to us, we never encourage anyone to take their own lives.

 

[sadworld]

That's how people are, they prefer to blame others rather than themselves.

 

[charlottewilts]

actually, when i had been looking for a suicide forum/website directly google never showed me this site. i found it on accident when someone mentioned it in the antinatalism subreddit. this was about a year and a half ago though, I don't know if search engines pick up more on it nowadays. my point is, yes, you really need to search for it; it's not something that pops up immediately like when you want a snack on impulse and bam 10 delivery apps pop up.

 

[Meditation guide]

ou didn't know what your child was going through and you did not care.

It's sad when someone loses a child and probably comforting to have something to blame. The idea that your child was searching for information on the internet makes the internet an easy target for unleashing your emotions.

It's not the first time parents have wanted to try to block information from their children under the idea it would protect them. There used to be a movement to block music from being sold if it had lyrics some parents didn't like.

Anyone considering suicide should have access to information on how to do it since there is nothing in place to make
it humane. Why should anyone have to resort to something as horrible as hanging themself or shooting themself or jumping off of a building? Let's get real, people are going to commit suicide and need to be able to do it in as humane a way as possible, not resort to such terrible horrific methods.

I've had pets I couldn't have loved any more, ones I loved like my children, and I'm so grateful that when their suffering became unbearable and incurable, there was a humane loving way to let them be put out of their never ending misery.
I would want the same for anyone or any animal that I loved so much.

 

[deleted]

Fuck the pro-life I was going to kill myself in a painful way before I visited this site now I know almost painless methods

 

[ecmnesia]

tch. if psychiatry did help the majority of us wouldn't be here. no one, as far as i know, actively encourages individuals to suicide here, we came because we wanted, we stood for the very same reason, we thought about cbt way before coming.

SS is never the first site you'll find about it. actually it took me a long time to discover this forum, i was researching methods on tor.

 

[Meditation guide]

What if children could go to their parents and say "mom and dad, I can't stand it any more. I want to die and I'm not joking. I cannot take life any more. I've made up my mind."

1. not many children feel they could tell their parents that
2. if they did tell them that what would the parents do about it? What could they do about it?
3. if seeing a psychiatrist would help them, fine. But we know that psychiatrists and their drugs don't work for many.

After that the children will be left to suffer as before. Whatever is making them want to suicide hasn't changed. Help is not available to them, contrary to those big messages that claim it is. If help were readily available for the asking and it worked, why are there so many suicides?

 

[_Kaira_]

What if children could go to their parents and say "mom and dad, I can't stand it any more. I want to die and I'm not joking. I cannot take life any more. I've made up my mind."

1. not many children feel they could tell their parents that
2. if they did tell them that what would the parents do about it? What could they do about it?
3. if seeing a psychiatrist would help them, fine. But we know that psychiatrists and their drugs don't work for many.

After that the children will be left to suffer as before. Whatever is making them want to suicide hasn't changed. Help is not available to them, contrary to those big messages that claim it is.

Funny enough I did go to my parents many times when I was really terrified of the thoughts of what I wanted to do to myself. They essentially challenged me by saying "You havn't done it yet. If you're going to do it you're going to do it." Which is true...but all I wanted was support from them. Not to be told to grow up afterwards. I understand they wouldn't have been able to cure me. But I just wanted a hug, or at least not be gaslighted so hard.

 

[Meditation guide]

"You havn't done it yet. If you're going to do it you're going to do it." Which is true...but all I wanted was support from them. Not to be told to grow up afterwards. I understand they wouldn't have been able to cure me. But I just wanted was a hug, or at least not be gaslighted so hard.

You have told about something essential lots of children are missing, which is simply support attention and affection.
A hug from a parent can do a lot of healing. Lots of kids never get touched in an affectionate loving way, such as hugs.

 

[W3akCr3atur3]

It's fucking disguising how some parents can never admit they have fucked up with their children. They will blame everything, video games, music, sites like this, but never themselves. Sites like this could never lead anybody to suicide, but help them find painless methods or even people who understand them and potentially give advice that pro-lifers couldn't how to get better.

I found this website in the deep web forum where somebody asked for an advice on how to ctb.

 

[_Kaira_]

It's fucking disguising how some parents can never admit they have fucked up with their children. They will blame everything, video games, music, sites like this, but never themselves. Sites like this could never lead anybody to suicide, but help them find painless methods or even people who understand them and potentially give advice that pro-lifers couldn't how to get better.

I found this website in the deep web forum where somebody asked for an advice on how to ctb.

It's funny cause a lot of people who think sites like this are the main problem. They don't think that possibly the person found sites like ss AFTER they were already feeling suicidal? Amazing.

Video games and laziness were my parents' favorite way to blame my problems with school and living life. Heh.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Looking to see if another good website "Lost All Hope" has had petitions, they have had petitions at times trying to shut that site down too. It never worked. I first found "Lost All Hope" in 2010 and it is still online to this day.

I never thought to research that. What you discovered is very reassuring. Thank you for sharing this.