Nobody knows what this is, but for people who do most of the protocol well, what is the chance of success. I used to think it was 70% - 80% for a well done method, but so many things can go wrong and there have eben a lot of failure threads recently so that my own guess is it might be closer to 50%- I still will likely try this soon. I know there atre peolep who think it is close to 100% but it sure doesn't seem like it to me- people who did solid protocols about it not working have posted quite a bit about this. I know some people think that trolls are posting sn failure threads, but I really don't think this personally- these have been very detailed posts that really seem sincere- it's a judgment call what t9 believe of course.
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ge0rge
the satanic mechanic
- Jul 29, 2018
- 659
I think it does depend a lot on following the protocol. I agree- it is distressing when attempts seem to fail. Still- as we've heard more and more detail from the OP's- quite often major things were done incorrectly.
Not to say there haven't been failures when everything was followed. Obviously- that's even more troubling. I terms of percentage though- no idea. There's no way to verify who it did and didn't work for on here. It's all trust and assumptions.
Honestly- it's still my method. I'm scared. It will be a risk. Life's always been a risk though. I don't much fancy risking my future either. It all looks horribly bleak.
Not to say there haven't been failures when everything was followed. Obviously- that's even more troubling. I terms of percentage though- no idea. There's no way to verify who it did and didn't work for on here. It's all trust and assumptions.
Honestly- it's still my method. I'm scared. It will be a risk. Life's always been a risk though. I don't much fancy risking my future either. It all looks horribly bleak.
It's about people estimating the chances of success with sn, as well as people possibly discussing ideas to increase chances of success and reducing chances of failure.
littlelady774
running on empty
- Dec 20, 2018
- 708
Personally , I think the % chance depends on dosage per weight based on the LD50 of sodium nitrite, and we need to do the math based on that. People may disagree with me, but it might explain some of the failures here.
If you're an average sized person, say 70 kg, and take 25 grams, there is a very high probability you will die, but it won't be the same probability if someone much larger took the same dose. There is a reason the ppeh says 25 grams. PN probably did the math based on LD50 info
If you're an average sized person, say 70 kg, and take 25 grams, there is a very high probability you will die, but it won't be the same probability if someone much larger took the same dose. There is a reason the ppeh says 25 grams. PN probably did the math based on LD50 info
Jarni
Love is a toothache in the heart. H.Heine
- Dec 12, 2020
- 383
The most difficult parts remain vomiting and taking the second glass.... :-(
One thing that is a little encouragnig is that some people have been successful with the second glass. Sadly, in other cases it was too gross for people to do this.
Shu
As above, So Below.
- Jan 21, 2022
- 2,487
Or the product they were using was Nitrate. We just keep going around in circles over and over.
Jarni
Love is a toothache in the heart. H.Heine
- Dec 12, 2020
- 383
LastFlowers
the haru that can read
- Apr 27, 2019
- 2,170
I was hoping these "failures without being found" were false but I'm not so sure either..I'm relying on SN to get the job done.
I need this.
Has anyone actually compiled them?
The attempts where SN failed without having been found and even when doing things correctly.
I know of the most recent one and one from awhile back but apparently there have been many more, I just don't know how to find them.
Very disconcerting.
Is it just the saltiness people can't stand or some other reason why taking the second glass isn't done?
(Besides disorientation.)
I thought it is only to be taken if one vomits..?
(I was honestly planning to prepare 3…I wonder if taking zinc on an empty stomach creates a similar amount of nausea..because I'm able to keep things down when that happens, even though I know others who puke their guts out after doing so.)
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Szinuus
I see the bus...I can almost see it
- Aug 19, 2022
- 211
Failures are common when people get found. Thats why its essential to make sure nobody will save you.
Jarni
Love is a toothache in the heart. H.Heine
- Dec 12, 2020
- 383
Yes, desorientation I think, kind of numbness and being already sick...
In most cases people vomit, so it is the most important thing to be prepared to....
The worst story I think when all was done correctly is this one : https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...for-me-been-researching-first-post-btw.96193/
Not sure as to the % success of SN these days given all the recent failure threads. I would prob estimate SN has somewhere around a 60% chance of success assuming you do everything correctly, procotol wisewise. But one thing I am curious over is whether there is any damage / side effects as a result of their various failed attempts with SN?
From the limited research I have done on this, I can't seem to find much evidence of this. But perhaps someone more knowledgable knows better?
From the limited research I have done on this, I can't seem to find much evidence of this. But perhaps someone more knowledgable knows better?
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pillow933
Student
- Mar 7, 2020
- 115
Personally I think failures are overrepresented on this forum, like with anything (and obviously especially in the case of suicide...) you're likely to see people report failures more often than successes. Just visit any subreddit dedicated to antidepressants (not saying antidepressant medication is universally successful, but take a sample from the general population or look at studies and you'll see they're vastly more effective than any subreddit will make you believe).
I imagine the vast majority of people who consume it don't post a goodbye post, and at the very most will post their regimen for reassurance. Posts of failures from people who have followed the protocol, taken the correct amount of a substance they're sure is SN, have some form of AE + potentially benzos, and haven't been found/called for help are rare. I'd say success rate is likely to be 80/90%+?
I imagine the vast majority of people who consume it don't post a goodbye post, and at the very most will post their regimen for reassurance. Posts of failures from people who have followed the protocol, taken the correct amount of a substance they're sure is SN, have some form of AE + potentially benzos, and haven't been found/called for help are rare. I'd say success rate is likely to be 80/90%+?
Sadly, if you life in an apartment you need to tak e a chance here or at hotel room, and the noise may alert someone- if you have a house to yourself this is better, but many people don't have this.
Szinuus
I see the bus...I can almost see it
- Aug 19, 2022
- 211
I fortunately have my own apartment but family often visits me so I have to be careful.
LastFlowers
the haru that can read
- Apr 27, 2019
- 2,170
Thank you for the response.
I read through the thread and I don't know if I find that person's account believable.
And I've read some much more believable accounts of failure on here.
This one is even more suspicious than the one where I practically interrogated the person afterward.
They called for help to stop the process and they insist "they could have died" as if that wasn't the whole point to begin with…the way they word things, the total lack of knowledge, not following any regimen, seemingly playing dumb about "the blue antidote"…I don't know where they even got their information from to ingest the stuff, etc.
Either they're super young and something else is going on…or the wool is being pulled over our eyes.
Apologies to them if I am wrong, but it seriously just sounds like they're making it up as they go.
Obviously I'm biased because SN is my method, but I've already read more concerning accounts that sounded far more valid..and less scatterbrained and "fear monger-y".
Also the main ones I'm worried about are the failures that occurred when intervention was not requested.
How are you estimating that figure?
Which threads are you referring to?
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Jarni
Love is a toothache in the heart. H.Heine
- Dec 12, 2020
- 383
I understand your position and arguments... I don't know, I rather trust these accounts, because there is always an explanation of why it failed... But for this one I didn't understand at all why the person didn't black out at all.....
SN is also my method (anyway it is totally impossible to choose another one in my situation)... And to be honest if I was healthy I'd not be worried about the peacefullness of SN...
But I have peripheral nerves damaged and because of this a shortness of breathe... and I really don't like to read about such experiences :-)
Was it without vomiting or with a second glass? I didn't see the failures like this I think...
stilhavinightmares
Warlock
- Oct 13, 2022
- 753
The person who posted that thread states they did not follow Stan's regimen. Just an FYI for readers. They say it in the thread.
Jarni
Love is a toothache in the heart. H.Heine
- Dec 12, 2020
- 383
They took more than 25grams of SN and fasted for 15 hours... It has to be totally OK.
leeloosnow
Warlock
- Aug 28, 2022
- 725
stilhavinightmares
Warlock
- Oct 13, 2022
- 753
LastFlowers
the haru that can read
- Apr 27, 2019
- 2,170
Yea I already have trouble breathing too so I understand that part ..I would rather not feel more suffocation, but SN is the only decent method I have access to.
I will have to get through any possible physical discomfort that comes along with it, I wish I had an instantaneous method but I do not.
I don't like reading those experiences either although that one in particular I find very suspicious.
I'm not sure if the couple of failures I read about were with a second glass or not.
One was very recent, and one was quite awhile ago.
Both claimed to have woken up after ingesting SN, one did things seemingly perfectly and the other one close enough…neither were found or interfered with, they just woke up after taking the SN and were still alive.
I think there was a third person I read about too who had heart issues (or kidney issues?) after the failure but I can't remember if they called for help themselves or not..I think they were found too early but I don't remember exactly.
It's the failures where no intervention was involved that seriously concern me.
I honestly think I'd go completely fucking insane if I did everything I needed to do, took my SN, and then still woke up hours or days later somehow.
I do not have a reliable back up method.
(Besides a second bottle of the same SN.)
Makes me wonder where they got their info from, when they seem to have no idea what they were even doing.
Something doesn't add up.
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littlelady774
running on empty
- Dec 20, 2018
- 708
I think with this method, being overweight is a huge disadvantage. Not saying all those who failed were overweight, but it would definitely be an important variable to consider for the possible failures. Or just not drinking enough for one's weight.
LastFlowers
the haru that can read
- Apr 27, 2019
- 2,170
Was being overweight a factor in more failures?
I'm not overweight, I'm basically melted flesh on bone. I lose my appetite often lately and barely move, already had poor body/muscle composition to begin with.
But the person that @Jarni referenced didn't seem to be overweight..I think they said they barely eat much anyway so fasting was easy for them.
Then again, they called for assistance..and didn't take any mitigating meds.
I still find the whole thread suspect but I could be wrong.
littlelady774
running on empty
- Dec 20, 2018
- 708
Yeah they also said if they didn't call for help they would've died, but they couldn't stand the pain and called for help. That's what I'm afraid of, the possibile pain/ discomfort
Yes, reducing pain through tylenol or advil plus discomfort through beta blockers seems to help a person's chances. Benzos also seem to help, but not every0one can get those.
