Pentobarbital available, but additional help ?

[throwaway777]

@throwaway777 ,

I'm not so enthousiastic about hotel rooms ... I would suggest your own place unless you'd think someone would discover you.

me neither ... but i dont live alone .. thanks for answering me anyway

 

[throwaway777]

Have you gotten the N yet?

nop lol

 

[311]

nop lol

I'd worry about that first lol

 

[throwaway777]

I'd worry about that first lol

yes i know lol.. but if i bought it, i would want to be sure to use it as my certain method ..thats why im asking these questions

 

[311]

yes i know lol.. but if i bought it, i would want to be sure to use it as my certain method ..thats why im asking these questions

True

 

[Vaughn]

Right, just very late.

Wow - so you did get it... Is it the same "A" listed in the PPHe 2018 edition ? I wrote to him last week and there was no response...
also if you google his name .... many people never got the stuff.... IF IT IS THE SAME "A' or not....??

 

[311]

Wow - so you did get it... Is it the same "A" listed in the PPHe 2018 edition ? I wrote to him last week and there was no response...
also if you google his name .... many people never got the stuff.... IF IT IS THE SAME "A' or not....??

Go to the resource section and find the pph and find his email. It's the correct one

 

[Vaughn]

Go to the resource section and find the pph and find his email. It's the correct one

there are two emails listed and I wrote to the proton mail one.. maybe I should write to the other one...thanks !

 

[311]

there are two emails listed and I wrote to the proton mail one.. maybe I should write to the other one...thanks !

Protonmail one is correct

 

[Morpheus]

@Vaughn As long as your Email went through, you're fine. However, in the future, use both the addresses when communicating.

 

[CTB-London]

Wait why quetiapine?

Another consideration is that anti-psychotics like Quetiapine are prescription only medicines so they can easily be obtained from legitimate online pharmacies. Controlled substances (scheduled drugs in US English) like benzos and opiates are harder to get hold of because of the need to purchase on the black market.

 

[Morpheus]

lol, what about Quetiapine?

 

[Arak]

If anyone can think of a way to make absolutely sure than an N overdose is lethal ('to finish it off'), please post.

I basically know how N works. People usually die during the short 'duration of action' (1-2 hours). People who have not died during that time die because of 1) the damage they sustained during that time, or 2) the pentobarbital that has accumulated in fatty tissues will slowly be released in the bloodstream and have some effect on the CNS or 3) a combination of 1) and 2). Please don't tell me that you know it's always lethal. My worst case scenario is that that I either wake up after a few days or someone eventually discovers me after enough time has passed.

What if you survive ? There are lots of stories of people who survive high doses AND who are discovered 'in time'. But what about the people who are not discovered, at least not in a few days ? I am NOT the average guy, and normally I would not have chosen this at all, It's just that other methods I had imaged were not practical or became available too late. I feel it's a bit too late to start messing around with inert gas, all the equipment etc.

I have one certain method available: sodium azide. If I take it the right way I will be tortured to death in a few hours.

 

[311]

If anyone can think of a way to make absolutely sure than an N overdose is lethal ('to finish it off'), please post.

I basically know how N works. People usually die during the short 'duration of action' (1-2 hours). People who have not died during that time die because of 1) the damage they sustained during that time, or 2) the pentobarbital that has accumulated in fatty tissues will slowly be released in the bloodstream and have some effect on the CNS or 3) a combination of 1) and 2). Please don't tell me that you know it's always lethal. My worst case scenario is that that I either wake up after a few days or someone eventually discovers me after enough time has passed.

What if you survive ? There are lots of stories of people who survive high doses AND who are discovered 'in time'. But what about the people who are not discovered, at least not in a few days ? I am NOT the average guy, and normally I would not have chosen this at all, It's just that other methods I had imaged were not practical or became available too late. I feel it's a bit too late to start messing around with inert gas, all the equipment etc.

I have one certain method available: sodium azide. If I take it the right way I will be tortured to death in a few hours.

Take opiates with it.

 

[Arak]

@311 ,

Someone else suggested that. The mechanism of action isn't really that different though, and presumably the effects of one drug could interfere with another (absoprtion and distribution of the drug). I had never imagined the classical sedative plus opiate combo to work for me. (example: high dose lorazepam plus high dose opiate plus some alcohol)

 

[JustAboutDone]

Hi @Arak i can't remember whether you considered Fentanyl in conjunction with N? Or whether you had investigated that and discarded it.

 

[311]

@311 ,

Someone else suggested that. The mechanism of action isn't really that different though, and presumably the effects of one drug could interfere with another (absoprtion and distribution of the drug). I had never imagined the classical sedative plus opiate combo to work for me. (example: high dose lorazepam plus high dose opiate plus some alcohol)

If you take 12 grams of N and 100mg of morphine you will die.

 

[throwaway777]

@Arak wouldnt n+dilantin be enough?

 

[intr0naut]

I think the 12g of N you have will do the job no matter your fears or how much you think your CNS is messed up. Ultimately though, you must be comfortable and at peace with your decision.
Although the net effect is the same (shutting down your brain), opiates/opioids have a very different mechanism of action than barbiturates. When combined, they have synergistic effects.

 

[wishfulthinking]

Arak, 13 g will kill you. Don't worry. Drink some alcohol after drinking N in order to heighten the effect.

Which alcohol is prefered to heighten N?

 

[311]

Which alcohol is prefered to heighten N?

I wouldn't recommend drinking, you could vomit. N is enough

 

[Arak]

I think the 12g of N you have will do the job no matter your fears or how much you think your CNS is messed up. Ultimately though, you must be comfortable and at peace with your decision.
Although the net effect is the same (shutting down your brain), opiates/opioids have a very different mechanism of action than barbiturates. When combined, they have synergistic effects.

It's complicated. 'normal' people would die from 12 gr of N ... And the literature states that the lethal doses varies from 2-10 gr ...

Opiates: I think I did read about two mechanisms in the literature, it has been a while.
1) certain receptors affect voluntary breathing. Presumably, when unconscious this could definitely have an effect. That theory is new to me.
2) opiates act on the brain stem, directly depressing respiration. This would be an involuntary mechanism.

Both N and opiates kill by acting on the brain stem. In that sense, different receptors but same mechanism of action.

I did experiment with something recently, and that did cast some doubt.

I'd dread surviving this and being at the mercy of the medical gods for the rest of my 'life'. Never underestimate the ability of the human body to survive. I'm not fine and I really don't want it to be much worse.
I know I need to read up on the theory.

It;s a mindfuck that N+opiate is peaceful but not 100 % certain. Sodium azide offers 100 % certainty but I'd be tortured to death for a few hours ... What a choice ...

I could do it all without fear but he thought of waking up ... or being confined in a paralyzed body. Oh, and if you are afraid: N helps with that ...

 

[Arak]

@throwaway777 ,
i don't know about Dilantin. Sources ? I know Nitschke mentioned it but I don't trust him. Supposedly it causes cardiac failure by causing cardiac arrhythmia ? I'm not sure how certain it is that the one causes the other. It has been stated that Dilantin can cause pain since the N has no analgesic properties, depends on how fast you lose consciousness and how deep.

 

[intr0naut]

It's complicated. 'normal' people would die from 12 gr of N ... And the literature states that the lethal doses varies from 2-10 gr ...

Opiates: I think I did read about two mechanisms in the literature, it has been a while.
1) certain receptors affect voluntary breathing. Presumably, when unconscious this could definitely have an effect. That theory is new to me.
2) opiates act on the brain stem, directly depressing respiration. This would be an involuntary mechanism.

Both N and opiates kill by acting on the brain stem. In that sense, different receptors but same mechanism of action.

I did experiment with something recently, and that did cast some doubt.

I'd dread surviving this and being at the mercy of the medical gods for the rest of my 'life'. Never underestimate the ability of the human body to survive. I'm not fine and I really don't want it to be much worse.
I know I need to read up on the theory.

It;s a mindfuck that N+opiate is peaceful but not 100 % certain. Sodium azide offers 100 % certainty but I'd be tortured to death for a few hours ... What a choice ...

I could do it all without fear but he thought of waking up ... or being confined in a paralyzed body. Oh, and if you are afraid: N helps with that ...

Thats why i said the net effect is the same. They both shut down neuronal networks including those responsable with breathing and controlling the heart beat (which are part of the autonomus nervous system, meaning you're not aware of its activity, which is preferable...imagine yourself forgetting to breath :D), but they do that by different mechanisms.
I think N alone is 100% sure if you know what you're doing and even more so when combined with other CNS depressants. I know survival instinct and fear of failure are a bitch but unless you're some kind of alien, you function just like any other human being.

 

[Arak]

I did a little more research, had full access the the source that stated that lethal doses varied from 2-10 gr. Just a handful of cases, the study was from 1977 !

Looking a bit further, https://www.acmt.net/_Library/2016_ASM_Posters/Abstract_84.pdf
One person who overdosed on 25 gr. He did that after he had already suicidal ideas and subsequently was treated with ECT in a psych hospital.
Who wouldn't, after that experience ?

10-20 minutes after the overdose he was 'rescued' and survived.

Well, there are always questions. Supposedly, survival is rare but not unheard of.

 

[311]

I did a little more research, had full access the the source that stated that lethal doses varied from 2-10 gr. Just a handful of cases, the study was from 1977 !

Looking a bit further, https://www.acmt.net/_Library/2016_ASM_Posters/Abstract_84.pdf
One person who overdosed on 25 gr. He did that after he had already suicidal ideas and subsequently was treated with ECT in a psych hospital.
Who wouldn't, after that experience ?

10-20 minutes after the overdose he was 'rescued' and survived.

Well, there are always questions. Supposedly, survival is rare but not unheard of.

If you are put on a ventilator yeah

 

[Arak]

While reading a different thread, a noticed this when a different subject was discussed:

https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Antiemetic_regimen

'Tolerance to alcohol, benzodiazepines, analgesics, prolonged use of anti-psychotics, and gastrointestinal issues can complicate overdosing. It is advisable that medications that can be stopped (without affecting judgment), should be ceased a few weeks prior to the drug ingestion, as should alcohol and narcotics consumption.'

I don't see a proper history of previous versions or sources, like on regular Wikipedia. Am I missing something ?

Someone stated *somewhere** that for *this* reason (surviving in a very bad way) he would never do a drug overdose. I am having some difficulty locating the post ...

 

[311]

While reading a different thread, a noticed this when a different subject was discussed:

https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Antiemetic_regimen

'Tolerance to alcohol, benzodiazepines, analgesics, prolonged use of anti-psychotics, and gastrointestinal issues can complicate overdosing. It is advisable that medications that can be stopped (without affecting judgment), should be ceased a few weeks prior to the drug ingestion, as should alcohol and narcotics consumption.'

I don't see a proper history of previous versions or sources, like on regular Wikipedia. Am I missing something ?

Someone stated *somewhere** that for *this* reason (surviving in a very bad way) he would never do a drug overdose. I am having some difficulty locating the post ...

There isn't going to be a Wikipedia page for an anti vomiting regiment related to suicide.

 

[Morpheus]

While reading a different thread, a noticed this when a different subject was discussed:

https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Antiemetic_regimen

'Tolerance to alcohol, benzodiazepines, analgesics, prolonged use of anti-psychotics, and gastrointestinal issues can complicate overdosing. It is advisable that medications that can be stopped (without affecting judgment), should be ceased a few weeks prior to the drug ingestion, as should alcohol and narcotics consumption.'

I don't see a proper history of previous versions or sources, like on regular Wikipedia. Am I missing something ?

Someone stated *somewhere** that for *this* reason (surviving in a very bad way) he would never do a drug overdose. I am having some difficulty locating the post ...

Gah! @Arak has me stressing I'm doomed to eternal life.