Pegasos VAD (Euthanasia)

[strangelife]

Info I Found
it is not necessary to be terminally ill to be accepted for a VAD at Pegasos.
As with the other Swiss VAD services, a VAD at Pegasos costs around CHF10,000. This includes all the paperwork, the consultations, the VAD appointment (inc the drugs), cremation and the couriering of one's ashes home again. Please note this is a cost estimate only, depending on the degree of overview and 'sign-off' required by external Swiss medical consultants of one's medical documents.
At Pegasos we philosophically believe that no one should be prevented from a VAD with us, simply because they lack the financial resources. Pegasos hopes that in the future we will be in a position to provide financial assistance to those who would hitherto be prevented from a VAD at our clinic.
If you are considering a VAD in Switzerland with Pegasos you need to:

• Become a Supporter of Pegasos.
• Log in at the site & apply online for a VAD. You will be able to save your application as you go. No need to complete it all at once.
• Here is a list of required documents.

• Documents Required

  A range of documents is required by the Swiss authorities in order for a VAD to go ahead. While copies of these documents can be uploaded as part of the online application process, the originals must be brought in person to Switzerland.
  

  Passport (or ID used to cross the border into Switzerland)

  • Please make sure you uploaded or e-mailed a scan or good photo thereof.
  • Bring the original with you to your VAD (Voluntary Assisted Dying)

  Proof of residence
  (Rates notice, utilities bill, etc.)

  [h3][/h3]

Only Pegasos Supporters may apply for a VAD. But don't worry, you can apply to be a supporter and have a VAD at the same time, if you think you have an urgent case.
A VAD application at Pegasos can be approved in as little as a few weeks. If a psychiatric assessment is required, this process will take longer.
At Pegasos we accept applications from adults over the age of 18 years only.
Pegasos believes that for a person to be in the headspace of considering ending their lives, their quality of life must be qualitatively poor. Pegasos accepts that some people who are not technically 'sick' may want to apply for a VAD. But this does not mean the person is 'well'. Professor David Goodall was one of these people. He was not sick but his eye sight was failing him, as was his mobility. Old age is rarely kind. The decision to end one's life is an intensely personal one. Pegasos makes every effort to understand fully the unique circumstances of everyone who makes contact with us.
Mental illness is a vexed issue. At Pegasos we believe that you can still have mental capacity even if you suffer from long term depression. The most important thing is to tell us of your mental illness and then we can work with you for the best outcome.

This is official information from their resource, and it looks like almost everybody can be approved there

 

[goldenbananagirl]

thank you so much for sharing this

 

[sanitystruggle]

Most of the people who have actually contacted them seem to have been referred to a suicide hotline. They don't seem to be anywhere near as liberal as their website would suggest.

Should we trust the Dignitas association in Switzerland?

Should we trust the Dignitas association in Switzerland? Let me ask you about Dignitas, because it is impossible to find its postal address (it's a post office box). Can he scam? Is Dignitas trustworthy, or is Pegasos better.

sanctioned-suicide.net

for people who have contacted or apply in pegasos

HELP PLEASE 4 specific questions, about pegasos 1 a list of "all" specific medical documents required to apply for VAD? 2 do you require a medical document or medical letter, where the doctor express that he agrees with the application of the VAD? 3 do you request a medical document, where the...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Mi Mi]

Info I Found
it is not necessary to be terminally ill to be accepted for a VAD at Pegasos.
As with the other Swiss VAD services, a VAD at Pegasos costs around CHF10,000. This includes all the paperwork, the consultations, the VAD appointment (inc the drugs), cremation and the couriering of one's ashes home again. Please note this is a cost estimate only, depending on the degree of overview and 'sign-off' required by external Swiss medical consultants of one's medical documents.
At Pegasos we philosophically believe that no one should be prevented from a VAD with us, simply because they lack the financial resources. Pegasos hopes that in the future we will be in a position to provide financial assistance to those who would hitherto be prevented from a VAD at our clinic.
If you are considering a VAD in Switzerland with Pegasos you need to:

• Become a Supporter of Pegasos.
• Log in at the site & apply online for a VAD. You will be able to save your application as you go. No need to complete it all at once.
• Here is a list of required documents.

• Documents Required

  A range of documents is required by the Swiss authorities in order for a VAD to go ahead. While copies of these documents can be uploaded as part of the online application process, the originals must be brought in person to Switzerland.
  

  Passport (or ID used to cross the border into Switzerland)

  • Please make sure you uploaded or e-mailed a scan or good photo thereof.
  • Bring the original with you to your VAD (Voluntary Assisted Dying)

  Proof of residence
  (Rates notice, utilities bill, etc.)

  [h3][/h3]

Only Pegasos Supporters may apply for a VAD. But don't worry, you can apply to be a supporter and have a VAD at the same time, if you think you have an urgent case.
A VAD application at Pegasos can be approved in as little as a few weeks. If a psychiatric assessment is required, this process will take longer.
At Pegasos we accept applications from adults over the age of 18 years only.
Pegasos believes that for a person to be in the headspace of considering ending their lives, their quality of life must be qualitatively poor. Pegasos accepts that some people who are not technically 'sick' may want to apply for a VAD. But this does not mean the person is 'well'. Professor David Goodall was one of these people. He was not sick but his eye sight was failing him, as was his mobility. Old age is rarely kind. The decision to end one's life is an intensely personal one. Pegasos makes every effort to understand fully the unique circumstances of everyone who makes contact with us.
Mental illness is a vexed issue. At Pegasos we believe that you can still have mental capacity even if you suffer from long term depression. The most important thing is to tell us of your mental illness and then we can work with you for the best outcome.

This is official information from their resource, and it looks like almost everybody can be approved there

I was denied
I was sent a suicide link instead
But good luck to others

Most of the people who have actually contacted them seem to have been referred to a suicide hotline. They don't seem to be anywhere near as liberal as their website would suggest.

Should we trust the Dignitas association in Switzerland?

Should we trust the Dignitas association in Switzerland? Let me ask you about Dignitas, because it is impossible to find its postal address (it's a post office box). Can he scam? Is Dignitas trustworthy, or is Pegasos better.

sanctioned-suicide.net

for people who have contacted or apply in pegasos

HELP PLEASE 4 specific questions, about pegasos 1 a list of "all" specific medical documents required to apply for VAD? 2 do you require a medical document or medical letter, where the doctor express that he agrees with the application of the VAD? 3 do you request a medical document, where the...

sanctioned-suicide.net

You're absolutely right
I was denied and sent that hotline link
Also I think some of the required documents don't make sense to me
I do like that communication is easier
But I think they want to stay from mental illness
Especially with Americans
Canada also denied me because I'm not a Canadian

 

[would]

Pegasos doesn't typically accept anyone under 50 unless they have a severe and debilitating physical condition. From my understanding, Dignitas is marginally more likely to approve assisted suicide for individuals under 50.

But if you are over 50 and have substantial disposal income, Pegasos really can't be beat (unless you are Swiss, Candian, Belgian, Dutch, or Spanish).

 

[doneforlife]

Pegasos doesn't typically accept anyone under 50 unless they have a severe and debilitating physical condition. From my understanding, Dignitas is marginally more likely to approve assisted suicide for individuals under 50.

But if you are over 50 and have substantial disposal income, Pegasos really can't be beat (unless you are Swiss, Candian, Belgian, Dutch, or Spanish).

I am not sure of Spain , but all others have euthanasia programs. Why would they go somewhere else ? Netherlands seems to be the most liberal.

 

[would]

I am not sure of Spain , but all others have euthanasia programs. Why would they go somewhere else ? Netherlands seems to be the most liberal.

They wouldn't. I was just highlighting that Pegasos is a very good program, but it of course can't compete with VAD programs designed for citizens in the listed countries. Spain has a VAD program as well now. It's pretty new (~2021). The Netherlands is extremely liberal with very elderly people, but Canada is by far the most lax all-around (if you have literally any physical disability). If I was a disabled young person seeking VAD anywhere in the world, I would want to be a Canadian.

 

[doneforlife]

They wouldn't. I was just highlighting that Pegasos is a very good program, but it of course can't compete with VAD programs designed for citizens in the listed countries. Spain has a VAD program as well now. It's pretty new (~2021). The Netherlands is extremely liberal with very elderly people, but Canada is by far the most lax all-around (if you have literally any physical disability). If I was a disabled young person seeking VAD anywhere in the world, I would want to be a Canadian.

True. Same here. But I guess, even stories from Canada are not authentic. Some say it's extremely difficult to get approved. Some say doctors themselves prescribe euthanasia. Atleast that shouldn't be the case. Because of such events, euthanasia gets a bad name. People think govt is trying to wipe out the poor and the elders.

 

[would]

True. Same here. But I guess, even stories from Canada are not authentic. Some say it's extremely difficult to get approved. Some say doctors themselves prescribe euthanasia. Atleast that shouldn't be the case. Because of such events, euthanasia gets a bad name. People think govt is trying to wipe out the poor and the elders.

VAD, like almost anything in healthcare, appears to be extremely varied depending on endless variables.

 

[bluebirds]

Pegasos doesn't typically accept anyone under 50 unless they have a severe and debilitating physical condition. From my understanding, Dignitas is marginally more likely to approve assisted suicide for individuals under 50.

But if you are over 50 and have substantial disposal income, Pegasos really can't be beat (unless you are Swiss, Candian, Belgian, Dutch, or Spanish).

who told you or whats the source that says dignitas is more likely to approve assisted suicide for individuals under 50 ?

Dignitas only helps old people.

I didnt find any example here that says they were accepted by Dignitas as someone under 40. If you have one, pls link it

 

[would]

who told you or whats the source that says dignitas is more likely to approve assisted suicide for individuals under 50 ?

Dignitas only helps old people.

I didnt find any example here that says they were accepted by Dignitas as someone under 40. If you have one, pls link it

2 sources for the same story:

'He wasn't prepared for a second-class life': why injured rugby star went to Switzerland to die

Rugby club hooker Daniel James felt his body had become a "prison" and lived in "fear and loathing" of his daily life

www.theguardian.com

At 23, Daniel chose to end his 'second class' life

A promising rugby player who was paralysed in a training ground accident has become the youngest ever British person to die by using an assisted suicide clinic.

www.independent.co.uk

This was back in 2008. The patient was 23 and was granted assisted suicide by Dignitas 18 months after being rendered quadriplegic.

From the Pegasos website FAQ:
"Pegasos does not accept young people with depression or other severe mental illness. Rather, Pegasos will refer such applications to counseling services such as those published on the Pegasos website."

From what I have read in the past, this includes physically ill and disabled "young people" with depression - "young" seems to include most middle-aged individuals as well.

That being said, their website does imply that they approve some applicants as young as 18:
"At Pegasos we accept applications from adults over the age of 18 years only."

The youngest person I have ever seen Pegasos approve is a woman that was 49:

Arizona sisters who died by assisted suicide in Switzerland were ‘tired of life’

Lila Ammouri, 54, and Susan Frazier, 49, were suffering from medical ‘frustrations’ and decided it was ‘time to go’

www.independent.co.uk

But these are only published articles, and it is possible that Pegasos has approved much younger patients than have been publicized.

 

[Dayrain]

VAD, like almost anything in healthcare, appears to be extremely varied depending on endless variables.

Exactly. It doesn't seem to be a fair process at all with any organization.

 

[would]

Exactly. It doesn't seem to be a fair process at all with any organization.

To be completely honest, I don't think anyone could create an entirely "fair" system. Basic healthcare isn't even fair, so I'm not sure why we would expect any differently of assisted death. And the possible legal/public relations ramifications of a sloppy background check make the process excessively bureaucratic by nature. Assisted suicide is a minefield of conflicting interests, and we live in a litigious world.

 

[Dayrain]

so I'm not sure why we would expect any differently of assisted death

Not so much expect it, but more hope it to be fair, because these organizations brand themselves as the executors of a fundamental human right, which the healthcare system does not, they always confess that healthcare costs money. And in theory executing a fundamental human right should be an entirely fair process and not subject to any bureaucracy or cnflicting interests.

 

[iwantitalltoend]

I wish I could apply for this, money wouldn't be a problem for me because my parents help me with money, they have enough money so I could afford to pay for this but I'm not sure if they would accept me there

 

[groundeddiscipline]

These programs are usually quite difficult to be accepted for. Even in Spain. Doctors can conscientiously object, which most do. So it's hard to get a doctor to even write the required documents for the application.

 

[Dayrain]

So the "most liberal" clinic for a VAD appointment, which policies weren't really liberal in the first place, turns more restrictive.

Swiss Clinic Pegasos Apologises for Failures - Exit International

Share this ContentAs the debate around assisted dying gains pace in the UK, a clinic in Switzerland has apologised to the family of a man who took his own life without them knowing. ITV News UK Editor Paul Brand reports A clinic in Switzerland which helps hundreds of people to die each year has...

www.exitinternational.net

 

[J&L383]

Unfortunately it's a PR problem. There's no requirement that family members be informed but when it hits the news cycle it creates a lot of social fussiness in the media.