Pegasos Application

[momary123]

Hello, Does anyone have advice or suggestions for the Pegasos Swiss Association?

 

[jk9761]

Hello, Does anyone have advice or suggestions for the Pegasos Swiss Association?

if you are not terminally ill , it would be difficult to get a VAD .

Hello, Does anyone have advice or suggestions for the Pegasos Swiss Association?

if you are just depressed like i am pegagos wont accept you . you have to have medical docs saying you incurable disease .

 

[befree]

We had this conversation sveral times. I know as a new user you can't use the search function yet. Many untruths and rumors were posted. Many people believe terminally ill means cancer. This is not right. There are many health conditions that are considered incurable. Each application is a case-by-case decision. If person X was accepted for depression or pain, it does not mean that person Y will also be accepted. The final decision is not made by the organization, but by their doctors and lawyers. Pegasos is known to be the most liberal organization, but there are more organizations in Switzerland and one in Germany. I recommend to read all infos on their websites carefully.

 

[momary123]

@befree thank you for the additional info - I will pm you once I am able to.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

Someone (not on here) told me Switzerland will take anyone who wants to CTB, no matter what their health is like. They didn't specify which place though, they are talking bull right? I can't just rock up in Switzerland and ask someone to help me CTB?

 

[Jrmull1993]

Someone (not on here) told me Switzerland will take anyone who wants to CTB, no matter what their health is like. They didn't specify which place though, they are talking bull right? I can't just rock up in Switzerland and ask someone to help me CTB?

Yes, that is completely false information.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

@Jmull1993 yeh I figured it was, never heard you could just go to Switzerland if you were completely healthy-sigh if only!

 

[outrider567]

Someone (not on here) told me Switzerland will take anyone who wants to CTB, no matter what their health is like. They didn't specify which place though, they are talking bull right? I can't just rock up in Switzerland and ask someone to help me CTB?

Total bull--But Pegasos is a little more sympathetic if you lost your spouse after 30 to 40 years or more(since broken heart syndrome is real threat to physical and mental health), but still need statements from doctors etc

 

[betternever2havbeen]

@outrider567 thanks, I hadn't even heard of Pegasos until I came on here. I'm glad people who qualify have options at least (I literally thought there was Dignitas and that's it) so it's good for those people.

 

[befree]

There are 6 VAD associations in Switzerland and 1 in Germany.

 

[Sun n showers]

Someone (not on here) told me Switzerland will take anyone who wants to CTB, no matter what their health is like. They didn't specify which place though, they are talking bull right? I can't just rock up in Switzerland and ask someone to help me CTB?

They are talking bull, Netherlands are the most Liberal with menfsl health issues

 

[rationaltake]

They are talking bull, Netherlands are the most Liberal with menfsl health issues

But they don't accept people from other countries going there specifically for VAD.

 

[Sun n showers]

But they don't accept people from other countries going there specifically for VAD.

That's right, but yoh can move there to do it..... you gave to be a resident

 

[befree]

That's right, but yoh can move there to do it..... you gave to be a resident

Same in Germany. The one VAD association in Germany accepts only German residents. I didn´t even know there is one in the Netherlands. What´s the name ?

 

[Sun n showers]

End of life clinic in the hague

 

[befree]

End of life clinic in the hague

https://wfrtds.org/dutch-end-of-life-clinic-changes-name/ changes its name into 'Expertisecentrum Euthanasie' (English: Centre of Expertise on Euthanasia) https://expertisecentrumeuthanasie.nl/

 

[Sun n showers]

https://wfrtds.org/dutch-end-of-life-clinic-changes-name/ changes its name into 'Expertisecentrum Euthanasie' (English: Centre of Expertise on Euthanasia)

Wish I was there now.. on my way out

 

[befree]

I can't find any info if you have to be a citizen and what health conditions are accepted.

 

[Sun n showers]

I can't find any info if you have to be a citizen and what health conditions are accepted.

I called them and asked to speak to liev thienpont, she explained that Dutch nationals are considered first, however if you relocate to Holland and went under their doctors they would consider, but its unlikely for mental illness alone. Or non terminal. But they have assisted two very young women with unbearable mental illness in Holland. There are utube videos about their cases.

 

[Euthanza]

Dignitas, Pegasos, Life Circle - Swiss.
Expertise Centrum Euthanasie - Netherland.
LEIF (LevensEinde Informatie Forum - in Dutch -), Belgium.
ADMD (Association pour le Droit de Mourir dans la Dignité - in French -), Belgium.
Die With Dignity and Go Gently, Australia.

Afaik, one needs at least 3 years residency to get VAD in Canada, 1 year requirement in Columbia and 2 months requirement in Spain.
Only Swiss and Belgium that accept foreigners.

Cmiiw

 

[befree]

Sounds more complicated than in Switzerland, because you don´t have to be terminally ill in Switzerland. And also all the other requirements sound more complicated in the NL.

Dignitas, Pegasos, Life Circle - Swiss.

Switzerland: + Ex-International (not Exit !!) + Eternal Spirit + Sterbehilfe.de (work in both countries: Germany and Switzerland)

This is interesting: https://www.drze.de/in-focus/euthanasia/modules/belgium-loi-relatif-a-leuthanasie?set_language=en

 

[rationaltake]

Dignitas, Pegasos, Life Circle - Swiss.
Expertise Centrum Euthanasie - Netherland.
LEIF (LevensEinde Informatie Forum - in Dutch -), Belgium.
ADMD (Association pour le Droit de Mourir dans la Dignité - in French -), Belgium.
Die With Dignity and Go Gently, Australia.

Afaik, one needs at least 3 years residency to get VAD in Canada, 1 year requirement in Columbia and 2 months requirement in Spain.
Only Swiss and Belgium that accept foreigners.

Cmiiw

I'm wondering how long it takes to achieve residency. You can live there but not necessarily be a resident.

 

[befree]

There is a difference between residency and permanent residency in the EU. You achieve residency when you move to one of the EU countries as a EU citizen after you have registered with the Aliens' Registration Office with your main place of residence after 3 months. After 5 years you can apply for the Permanent Resident Card. This means: after 3 months you are not a visitor anymore, but a resident.

 

[rationaltake]

There is a difference between residency and permanent residency in the EU. You achieve residency when you move to one of the EU countries as a EU citizen after you have registered with the Aliens' Registration Office with your main place of residence after 3 months. After 5 years you can apply for the Permanent Resident Card. This means: after 3 months you are not a visitor anymore, but a resident.

Interesting. Might be different for those coming from countries outside the EU? I'll look it up. Thanks for this.

 

[Talvikki]

I called them and asked to speak to liev thienpont, she explained that Dutch nationals are considered first, however if you relocate to Holland and went under their doctors they would consider, but its unlikely for mental illness alone. Or non terminal. But they have assisted two very young women with unbearable mental illness in Holland. There are utube videos about their cases.

At the Euthanasia Expertise Center, more than 90% of euthanasia requests based on psychiatric disorders are rejected.

 

[rationaltake]

At the Euthanasia Expertise Center, more than 90% of euthanasia requests based on psychiatric disorders are rejected.

Good point.

I called them and asked to speak to liev thienpont, she explained that Dutch nationals are considered first, however if you relocate to Holland and went under their doctors they would consider, but its unlikely for mental illness alone. Or non terminal. But they have assisted two very young women with unbearable mental illness in Holland. There are utube videos about their cases.

I haven't seen the video but I remember news reports about the two very young women as I have the same condition they did. Though I'm not very young.

 

[Sun n showers]

At the Euthanasia Expertise Center, more than 90% of euthanasia requests based on psychiatric disorders are rejected.

Yep, that's right

 

[Sky66]

They are talking bull, Netherlands are the most Liberal with menfsl health issues

It's still very very hard to get vad in the Netherlands. You have to wait years to get approval.

 

[Shadow Life]

Hi Momary123,

This is my first post on this site, as I have just been accepted. The reason I wanted to join was to provide my experience with Pegasos to people who may be thinking of contacting them, and what they may encounter or expect. Personally, I considered the deposit payment to be a gamble because that's what's really happening, isn't it? You pay money not knowing if you'll get what you expect or desire.

PLEASE BE CAREFUL when communicating with absolute strangers on the net. Don't forget, perfectly legit websites (as may be with pegasos) are prone and vulnerable to hacking; emails can be intercepted, and when that happens your bank account may be drained; your identity stolen. Who better for a hacker to steal from then the most vulnerable of people who will not report any financial abuse or theft to the authorities than someone who who will then have to explain to the police or their bank as to why they paid such a large sum of money and delivered their entire life's history and medical information for a request to die? That's easy pickings - BEWARE. BE CAREFUL. And, imo, don't do it..

I posted a video on youtube:

This is an account of my experience with this Right-to-Die organization in Basel, Switzerland. The organization's name is Pegasos Swiss Association. It's contact email address is '[email protected].' An IP Address search found its location to be in California, not Switzerland. The 2 phone numbers for this organization are cellphone (mobile) numbers, not landlines, which no person answers and without a voicemail message indicating the organization's name or the option to leave a message (with the exception that one of the numbers does identify the organization and then instructs you to send an email, instead.)

After emailing Exit International yesterday, asking for the contact information for the Founder of Pegasos, I received a missed-call that after a search said it was from Bakersfield, California (just like the IP address). Two hours after the missed call, I decided to call it back. It had been disconnected and no longer in use.

After two weeks after payment for the application fee was received, all communication stopped.
There is a reason there isn't a single media-account of their clients or what their mission statement is all about (ie. videos, documentaries, interviews, *verifiable national/international newspaper sources (ie. not fake online news websites.)

UPDATE SEPT 9/22: Two days after my 2nd email to Exit International, I received an email from Damian saying he was "travelling with intermittent internet access;" very plausible, but for 18 days? The first thing I did was call one of his numbers, but it still wasn't answered. Then, I replied that I no longer wanted their services and requested my deposit be returned according to their website. If I receive it, I will post the outcome and then remove the video shortly thereafter.

 

[Shadow Life]

Update Sept 13/22: I received an email from Damian. He asked for my details to send the refund. He didn't say how much of it will be returned, but it had not been reviewed by any medical professional. So, I'll find out when I find out.. and I'll keep you updated. The youtube video is now set to 'private'.
Take care everyone.