Discussion PARENTS ARE THE PROBLEM

[Peaceful_Sam]

Parents are evil, selfish and they are the source of suffering in this world. They only think about themselves when they give birth to a human being that didn't choose to exist in this hell called world.
This world is full of diseases, mental illnesses, wars, hunger, poverty, unemployment, natural disasters, bullies.. Etc and even though they know all this, they keep giving birth to children.
Giving birth is giving a death sentence.
I hate parents and I think they deserve to suffer!

 

[OverItAll]

This speaks to me.

As someone in their 40's with no kids, this is exactly why we didn't have any. People say "Oh, no kids? That's unusual", and I say "Are you fucking kidding? Do you watch the news? Have you seen how the world is going?!?" - it either starts a meaningful dialogue, or kills the conversation dead in its tracks!

 

[Enigma]

I hate mine, they are the cause of 99% of my suffering.

 

[Peaceful_Sam]

I hate mine, they are the cause of 99% of my suffering.

They are the cause of 100% of our suffering.

This speaks to me.

As someone in their 40's with no kids, this is exactly why we didn't have any. People say "Oh, no kids? That's unusual", and I say "Are you fucking kidding? Do you watch the news? Have you seen how the world is going?!?" - it either starts a meaningful dialogue, or kills the conversation dead in its tracks!

Respect to you!!!
Don't force a human being to go through what you or others went through.

 

[Life sucks]

I hate them but I think many are just programmed by society and stupid bullshit like religion. When they realize its wrong, its already over and many children are born. Fuck life

 

[Sammybackflip]

I hate mine, they are the cause of 99% of my suffering.

Lol, the irony.

 

[iiii5555]

It always irritates me to no end how parent-child dynamics seen to work in the modern world. Forcing children into relationships with their parents by stripping away their right to employment and property is no different than forcing women to have husbands by stripping away their right to employment and property, but they still do that nonetheless. I mean, does a child understand that they has to go to Sunday school because their parents want them to grow up with the same inculcation they received? No, they don't, but they are coerced into doing that anyway.
Another example of children being controlled by parents- Custody cases. If they are asked what they want, the question they're asked is "By whom do you want to be dominated for a significant portion of your life?" In this society, children are the property of their parents; they are placed in the hierarchical family structure which demands that they have the same values as their parents and denies them the liberty to choose with whom they want to associate.

Children's free wills are suppressed and annihilated in every conceivable manner within families.

 

[Peaceful_Sam]

Lol, the irony.

What do you by your comment. If you don't mind explaining :) thanks!

It always irritates me to no end how parent-child dynamics seen to work in the modern world. Forcing children into relationships with their parents by stripping away their right to employment and property is no different than forcing women to have husbands by stripping away their right to employment and property, but they still do that nonetheless. I mean, does a child understand that they has to go to Sunday school because their parents want them to grow up with the same inculcation they received? No, they don't, but they are coerced into doing that anyway.
Another example of children being controlled by parents- Custody cases. If they are asked what they want, the question they're asked is "By whom do you want to be dominated for a significant portion of your life?" In this society, children are the property of their parents; they are placed in the hierarchical family structure which demands that they have the same values as their parents and denies them the liberty to choose with whom they want to associate.

Children's free wills are suppressed and annihilated in every conceivable manner within families.

Great analysis! I totally agree with you.

 

[okkkk]

Ive actually been thinking about this. Do you think eventually humanity will ever come to the conclusion that the human race should just end in the most humane way possible? (like no more people being born) Think about it. Either we all reach utopian perfection or the human race ends before we get to that point. Is there a world where we let every currently living person live their lives but create no new people?

i would say probably not but im just thinking out loud

 

[Peaceful_Sam]

Ive actually been thinking about this. Do you think eventually humanity will ever come to the conclusion that the human race should just end in the most humane way possible? (like no more people being born) Think about it. Either we all reach utopian perfection or the human race ends before we get to that point. Is there a world where we let every currently living person live their lives but create no new people?

i would say probably not but im just thinking out loud

First of all, I love your username and profile picture hahahaha you are great!

And No! I don't think people will ever understand that they force human beings to suffer when they give birth to them.
That's why the only solution is making peaceful assisted suicide cheap and available in every corner of the world. If you want to live that's okay. If you don't you can go peacefully.
(sorry my english is worst than mariah carey's ex husband motolla) bad joke, yes hahah

 

[OverItAll]

Ive actually been thinking about this. Do you think eventually humanity will ever come to the conclusion that the human race should just end in the most humane way possible? (like no more people being born) Think about it. Either we all reach utopian perfection or the human race ends before we get to that point. Is there a world where we let every currently living person live their lives but create no new people?

i would say probably not but im just thinking out loud

There is a school of thought that posits humans as being nothing more than a parasite that is preying on the earth. Apparently, one of the best things you can do to alleviate climate change is to NOT procreate.

But I think our innate primal survival instincts will stop us from ever realising what a scourge we actually are.

 

[cryptic_cynic]

Amen to that.

There are even some stupid assholes on here who want to kill themselves, but still defend their idiocy and selfishness in forcing more people into the world without consent. Fuck them right in the eyeball.

 

[ralphnol]

they for sure, are a huge part of the problem, yes.

 

[Wayfaerer]

imho I've always thought that antinatalism was really dumb but I do agree that parents are the problem these days especially when they are baby boomer fucktards.

 

[sanction]

I agree. Its Bullshit. And one of the stupid causes are that most "parents" are pressured to having kids by their late 20's, or super early 30's. During that age, most people aren't even that mature yet, and haven't even seen the negative side of the world enough. By the time maybe closer to their late 30's or even 40's (some maybe 50's or beyond) after they have accumulated enough life experience, they then start to realize its a bad choice, but its already too late. Society is pressuring way too many people to make life-long decisions during their 20's, when they're honestly still kids for the most part. Such as making long-term career decisions, deciding who to marry, having kids, and even locking down a house with a mortgage. By the time they reach their 40's and beyond, regret starts to kick in, and mid-life crisis occurs. Its a never-ending cycle

 

[vonvonwantpeace]

Parents are evil, selfish and they are the source of suffering in this world. They only think about themselves when they give birth to a human being that didn't choose to exist in this hell called world.
This world is full of diseases, mental illnesses, wars, hunger, poverty, unemployment, natural disasters, bullies.. Etc and even though they know all this, they keep giving birth to children.
Giving birth is giving a death sentence.
I hate parents and I think they deserve to suffer!

I have to agree with you.

 

[Wayfaerer]

I agree. Its Bullshit. And one of the stupid causes are that most "parents" are pressured to having kids by their late 20's, or super early 30's. During that age, most people aren't even that mature yet, and haven't even seen the negative side of the world enough.

If they wait any longer than that, their kids are going to be genetic rejects.

 

[okkkk]

There is a school of thought that posits humans as being nothing more than a parasite that is preying on the earth. Apparently, one of the best things you can do to alleviate climate change is to NOT procreate.

But I think our innate primal survival instincts will stop us from ever realising what a scourge we actually are.

i agree, also death is scary

 

[magick'sgone]

I struggle to accept that. My parents sacrificed so much for me. They never gave up on me when I fucked up. My sister and I are of a similar age, and her life is meaningful and rewarding. Maybe they put a little more effort into her childhood due to her being their first child. Perhaps my mother was able to relate better to another female than she was a male. Those feel like excuses though. The only real applicable criticism I have is that they were so busy working (to provide a good life for us) that they didn't notice me struggling at school and my mental health deteriorating. Still, they are only human and had good intentions. It's important for me to accept my responsibility in all this.

 

[Frank]

As the only Child of 4 who's actually struggling. I don't feel like all parents are the problem. I do feel those who have children because it's "the next step" or "the logica thing to do" often fk their children up because they treat them more like a fun gadget to have or brag about.

 

[sanction]

I struggle to accept that. My parents sacrificed so much for me. They never gave up on me when I fucked up. My sister and I are of a similar age, and her life is meaningful and rewarding. Maybe they put a little more effort into her childhood due to her being their first child. Perhaps my mother was able to relate better to another female than she was a male. Those feel like excuses though. The only real applicable criticism I have is that they were so busy working (to provide a good life for us) that they didn't notice me struggling at school and my mental health deteriorating. Still, they are only human and had good intentions. It's important for me to accept my responsibility in all this.

I don't disagree with you, and I respect you for the way you think. Its positive, mature and can't say its wrong. Just that a fair amount of people have strange parents or parents that don't know how to raise their kids right. Thats why a fair amount of people resent their parents. Especially people on here, with this being a suicide forum, pretty much all of us here have suffered a fair amount, otherwise we wouldn't be on here. As we try to give logic to how all this suffering started or happened, we tend to trace back to how our lives even began in the first place, when we never even wanted to be a part of any of this, and it all started from our parents bringing us into this world, then we were forced to live and battle our way through this complicated world and society. Its a complicated topic in the end. Everybody has their own versions of stories, upbringing and struggles

 

[Soulless_Angel]

wow this forum has turned in a right parent bashing forum!!! This is not the first thread I have seen, and surely won't be the last.
I write this from 2 sides, a side as a daughter from a parent who never actually wanted me, and I write it as a parent.
I was never wanted from the moment I was born, I grew up in a hate filled home, full of violence and abuse, mentally physically and sexually. You would think it would put a child off from wanting her own family if that's how growing up was, instead it made me crave love, security and affection, it made me want to seek out the perfect family unit and create my own. My first born son was lost to forced adoption, he went to parents who were never able to have children of their own, so I was able to gift a child to people in a way, was never happy with letting him go but I had no choice.
Moving further down the years I sit here now as a mum to 4.
Am I selfish, Yes I am, do I love these children, Yes I do, Do I want to be a parent to them... that question I simply cannot answer.
People have children for many reasons, right from being forced into it as its expected as part of society, to wanting that perfect family unit, to (in the UK) using it as a way to get a home and benefits and so on.

I do feel people have a right to have children, and I don't see it as selfish on the parents part as many many children go on to function well in life, create amazing futures and paths for themselves. Obviously many fall off the path and end up in hell, this is not the parents fault, the parents brought that child into the world for their own reasons, the child falls off the path for their own reasons, not the parents reasons.
Yes my own mother gave me a up bringing that has left me wanting to leave this world behind me, but that is my own choosing and my own path, my mother wasn't selfish for bringing me into this world her choices on how she brought me up were.

Have you ever seen the film Children of Men?

 

[Death_is_Escape]

Parents are evil, selfish and they are the source of suffering in this world. They only think about themselves when they give birth to a human being that didn't choose to exist in this hell called world.
This world is full of diseases, mental illnesses, wars, hunger, poverty, unemployment, natural disasters, bullies.. Etc and even though they know all this, they keep giving birth to children.
Giving birth is giving a death sentence.
I hate parents and I think they deserve to suffer!

I am an Antinatalist curious about Gnosticism.

 

[Peaceful_Sam]

wow this forum has turned in a right parent bashing forum!!! This is not the first thread I have seen, and surely won't be the last.
I write this from 2 sides, a side as a daughter from a parent who never actually wanted me, and I write it as a parent.
I was never wanted from the moment I was born, I grew up in a hate filled home, full of violence and abuse, mentally physically and sexually. You would think it would put a child off from wanting her own family if that's how growing up was, instead it made me crave love, security and affection, it made me want to seek out the perfect family unit and create my own. My first born son was lost to forced adoption, he went to parents who were never able to have children of their own, so I was able to gift a child to people in a way, was never happy with letting him go but I had no choice.
Moving further down the years I sit here now as a mum to 4.
Am I selfish, Yes I am, do I love these children, Yes I do, Do I want to be a parent to them... that question I simply cannot answer.
People have children for many reasons, right from being forced into it as its expected as part of society, to wanting that perfect family unit, to (in the UK) using it as a way to get a home and benefits and so on.

I do feel people have a right to have children, and I don't see it as selfish on the parents part as many many children go on to function well in life, create amazing futures and paths for themselves. Obviously many fall off the path and end up in hell, this is not the parents fault, the parents brought that child into the world for their own reasons, the child falls off the path for their own reasons, not the parents reasons.
Yes my own mother gave me a up bringing that has left me wanting to leave this world behind me, but that is my own choosing and my own path, my mother wasn't selfish for bringing me into this world her choices on how she brought me up were.

Have you ever seen the film Children of Men?

What parents don't understand is that there is a massive difference between having the ability to do something and having the right to do something. Just because you are able to have children doesn't mean you have to. Just the idea of forcing a person to exist in a world that is proven to be full of problems is an evil decision. Because let's be honest, the only reasons parents give birth to children is to entertain them and then take care of them when they get old. Sometimes there is either more stupid reason or more evil reasons.
I'm able to have children too but because I went through the worst experiences you can imagine like being bullied by strangers and being bullied by my parents, having severe ocd, depression, being attacked by 15 people once that I was one single kick away from death..... etc I simply said to myself "Hellll nooo! I will never force a child to go through all this.''
And it doesn't matter the quality of life you will be able to give to your child because there is something you cannot control even with money.. Which is death! People spend half of their life just thinking, fearing and planning their death.
Parents are evil and selfish. That a fact.

 

[Soulless_Angel]

Parents are evil and selfish. That a fact.

wow!! Just fucking wow, ignoring the rest you have said, I am not evil, I am selfish in many ways, but not evil!! Given my upbringing, I had this naive view of the world that everything was roses and perfection, I lived in a small sea side town, were the most exciting thing to happen was a seagull stealing someones chips, making headlines of the local papers, I believed that the whole world was like this,
It's only AFTER I had my children, I realised life was shit, and it's only now after a serious mental break down that I do look at my children and think *fuck what have I brought you into* But it pushes me to push them to make sure their paths are the right ones, whilst encouraging them to be unique individuals with a strong sense of identity
Don't get me wrong, I mess up as a parent, I scream, I shout, I discipline hard if they lie to me, disrespect me, but on the other end I hug them, tell them I love them and reassure them that whilst life can and will be hard, they can get through it way better then I ever have.
Some parents are evil, Ill give you that, but such a sweeping statement is unneeded and uncalled for when there are many parents on this forum

 

[TheEgg]

wow!! Just fucking wow, ignoring the rest you have said, I am not evil, I am selfish in many ways, but not evil!! Given my upbringing, I had this naive view of the world that everything was roses and perfection, I lived in a small sea side town, were the most exciting thing to happen was a seagull stealing someones chips, making headlines of the local papers, I believed that the whole world was like this,
It's only AFTER I had my children, I realised life was shit, and it's only now after a serious mental break down that I do look at my children and think *fuck what have I brought you into* But it pushes me to push them to make sure their paths are the right ones, whilst encouraging them to be unique individuals with a strong sense of identity
Don't get me wrong, I mess up as a parent, I scream, I shout, I discipline hard if they lie to me, disrespect me, but on the other end I hug them, tell them I love them and reassure them that whilst life can and will be hard, they can get through it way better then I ever have.
Some parents are evil, Ill give you that, but such a sweeping statement is unneeded and uncalled for when there are many parents on this forum

It's true... my parents are good people. Of course sometimes they are annoying they are strict and scream, but they want to see me happy and stable... And I don't want to hurt them with my problems or decisions... They really are a pillar in my life.

But I understand that are some awful parent in the world, that are just terrible.

 

[Peaceful_Sam]

wow!! Just fucking wow, ignoring the rest you have said, I am not evil, I am selfish in many ways, but not evil!! Given my upbringing, I had this naive view of the world that everything was roses and perfection, I lived in a small sea side town, were the most exciting thing to happen was a seagull stealing someones chips, making headlines of the local papers, I believed that the whole world was like this,
It's only AFTER I had my children, I realised life was shit, and it's only now after a serious mental break down that I do look at my children and think *fuck what have I brought you into* But it pushes me to push them to make sure their paths are the right ones, whilst encouraging them to be unique individuals with a strong sense of identity
Don't get me wrong, I mess up as a parent, I scream, I shout, I discipline hard if they lie to me, disrespect me, but on the other end I hug them, tell them I love them and reassure them that whilst life can and will be hard, they can get through it way better then I ever have.
Some parents are evil, Ill give you that, but such a sweeping statement is unneeded and uncalled for when there are many parents on this forum

You sound exactly like my mother!! Which makes me sure you are a loving and caring person. But this doesn't change the fact that having a child is a crime. Kids go through crazy types of suffering from their first years (fever, flu, toothache.. Etc). Just this reason should make people stop having kids.
There are people who never went through any ''problem'' and decided to never have kids because they learned from other people 's experience and mistakes.
I understand that this is a very sensitive subject. But what I said is not an opinion, It is a truth. The moment a man and a woman give birth to a child they become criminals, evil and selfish.

 

[Shamana]

I've had good but not decent parents. I don't think there is something inherently evil with having children, but I agree that shit parents shouldn't have kids. All the same, I'm ok with having been born. The reasons why my life is fucked up is mostly my own.

 

[sanction]

wow!! Just fucking wow, ignoring the rest you have said, I am not evil, I am selfish in many ways, but not evil!! Given my upbringing, I had this naive view of the world that everything was roses and perfection, I lived in a small sea side town, were the most exciting thing to happen was a seagull stealing someones chips, making headlines of the local papers, I believed that the whole world was like this,
It's only AFTER I had my children, I realised life was shit, and it's only now after a serious mental break down that I do look at my children and think *fuck what have I brought you into* But it pushes me to push them to make sure their paths are the right ones, whilst encouraging them to be unique individuals with a strong sense of identity
Don't get me wrong, I mess up as a parent, I scream, I shout, I discipline hard if they lie to me, disrespect me, but on the other end I hug them, tell them I love them and reassure them that whilst life can and will be hard, they can get through it way better then I ever have.
Some parents are evil, Ill give you that, but such a sweeping statement is unneeded and uncalled for when there are many parents on this forum

Apologies if my posts may be offensive to any existing parents on this forum or thread. Its not intended to offend anyone on here in the end. Its more of just a rant, and to share the logic behind this topic. Because as 99.9% of us on this forum have obviously went through reasonable years of sufferings in our lives, before now ending up on this forum and looking ways to CTB, I'm sure its a painful enough experience, so theres most likely a deep down voice inside us, where we wished we would have simply just not been born in the first place, so we don't have to experience any of this. I'm sure its a relate-able experience to many in this world. That is all. I respect everybody on this forum, as we're all going through similar struggles one way or another, since we're considering CTB. Just ranting about this topic and logic in general, not directing it to any individual in specific. We are in this together. Its all love in the end

 

[Soulless_Angel]

You sound exactly like my mother!! Which makes me sure you are a loving and caring person. But this doesn't change the fact that having a child is a crime. Kids go through crazy types of suffering from their first years (fever, flu, toothache.. Etc). Just this reason should make people stop having kids.
There are people who never went through any ''problem'' and decided to never have kids because they learned from other people 's experience and mistakes.
I understand that this is a very sensitive subject. But what I said is not an opinion, It is a truth. The moment a man and a woman give birth to a child they become criminals, evil and selfish.

So the world stops reproducing and the world ends, in which case your selfish as there are many people in the world who enjoy be alive, (I am NOT one of them)

This is the side I struggle with, we hate those pro lifers who force their ideals on us, yet the attitude of children shouldn't be born, the world needs to stop is exactly the opposite to the pro life, its just doing exactly what they are doing, the thing we hate, yet because its from our side, we see no wrong and believe it to be the only way, Yet we slam on pro lifers who in reality are doing their own view and see no wrong in it

Does this even make any sense