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BrontesA

BrontesA

Katabasis
Jul 16, 2026
18
I posted this on the wrong discussion forum at first, sorry!

Hello everyone,
I'm new here. Firstly I would like to commend the shared sincerity that I have encountered in my short time of lurking on this forum. I don't have the tongue to articulate how I feel seeing a community form from something most society would cringe at, maybe this is what all those people meant when they said 'you're not alone', and now I wonder if any one I know attends this forum. In short: I'm incredibly glad I can share my thoughts without the usual 'noo we love you so much, we're here for you' at the slightest reveal of depressive symptoms.

Regardless, the topic I wish to discuss seems strange to me, partly because it feels disingenuous. This is why it feels best to articulate what I can, and hope for ideas to start bouncing in from other brains.

I have wanted to leave this all behind for several years, but certain aspects of my being pin my decision making process in place. Yes, I can just end it at any time, but to leave certain matters of 'evidence of being' unresolved seems a disservice to the personal character I have supposedly been building for myself (more on this later) as well as for those I leave behind.

The Journal Problem
One of the primary stall points of my planning has been my journals. They are filled with candor, which is what bothers me. In early entries, the teenage me discusses his desire to kill, with chicken-scratch depictions of gore and occasional 'boo hoo, poor me' sections that now make me feel embarrassment. Not because of the killing, but because of the crudeness of it all. I do not want to be perceived as driven or shaped by anger, but whether I am is a question I may be too biased to answer honestly. I have two journals presently. More accurately, I have two journals remaining: one old and one relatively new. Everything in between has been burned by dumbass teenage me out of shame or fear that someone may read them, I genuinely cannot even recall most of what I burned.
In the newer journal, a more mature uni age me documents his inabilities to rationalise my life - as well as the resulting breakdowns - which are more sad than angry, though rage seeps in occasionally. During this period of university, I developed a drug habit: synthetic cannabinoids. I believe the popular term is just pens or carts or something, but my first step-up from weed was HHC and similar off-brand weed alternatives. This is documented, though I refer to such as 'Soma' in my entries, as I consciously use as a method of keeping my feelings toned down. The front section of this journal was dedicated to my recovery, though now it only serves to immortalise my few small victories when I actually feel contentment.
I do not know what to do with the journals, whether to leave them as they are, tear some pages out or burn them altogether. I cannot bear to imagine what my family would think reading even a single page.
I've always wanted to use cyphers and codes, hidden notes scattered around the country for anyone who cared to find... but at this point I don't feel as though anyone would give enough of a shit.

The Character Problem
I do not know how else to refer to this. This links to my drug habit, as my sober state (in my view) is disagreeable to the world around me. For instance; the fact current world events can happen unabated infuriates me beyond words, and the fact nobody in my life is interested in the present evil infuriates me even more. In the case of politics and world events, my father always cuts me off with a 'you're letting it get to you' as if apathy is some virtue. Another example: I find the worship of money disgusting, along with the consumerism and reliance on institutions that it brings. Yet, my entire life, I have been under bombardment of conditioning to align with these things. My parents never went to college, so of course, the life of their first-born must revolve around degrees and education (More on this later). The disagreeableness towards my environment does stem from some vague "I could fix it if they just listened" complex that I cannot really name. But I'm sure we all have such a side, right?
About a year ago, I came across the writings of Yukio Mishima, and was captivated instantly. I feel genuine love for a man of such character. For those of you who do not know, Mishima was one of Japan's most renowned post-war authors, and (to my knowledge) the last person in Japan to die by Seppuku, as a form of protest against the corruption and dismantling of Japanese society by outside influence. This was done after a failed coup attempt before he could be arrested, he did it fully of his own will. His writings, his career in general, rationalise honorable death as something necessary if one wishes to avoid slow death by decay and decadence. I do not wish to grow old; to become some perverted old man who does not care about the world he lives in. Neither did Mishima. His writings have put into words the feelings I have been wrestling with for a long time.
I strongly wish to send a message with my death as for it not to be for solely selfish reasons (Although those still exist). I wish for people to know that I did not (just) die for the sake of dying because my life sucked and I was miserable, but because I no longer wished to contribute to a world I am wholeheartedly objected to. I don't think I can articulate this in any reasonable manner.

The Legacy Problem
Legacy is a dumb word to describe this. In short, I failed university miserably in my final year. Part of me thinks it has something to do with my stubborn pushback against staff incompetence (I even want to mention some of them in my final note, because that place is staffed with genuine psychopaths that should not even be allowed to live). This 'reason' feels like an excuse half the time, and is irrelevant to the point I wish to make, but I do feel serious spite in this particular area as this (psychology) was genuinely something I was passionate about. Now, I know for a fact the modern psychology monopoly only exists so that we can postulate and look smart, while not doing a single thing with the acquired knowledge. Research (my past field of psych interest) is genuinely a sham, at least where I live. Again, my character problem is showing.
The point is: prior to my 'departure' I want to buy a fake degree and grade transcript, so that my parents never find out their son failed the one thing they wanted out of him in life. This problem is more easily solved, however I seriously needed to tell someone about this failure. It is an embarrassment, and I feel as though it was completely avoidable.

Conclusion
I don't know if any of this makes sense, or even relates to the topic. Now, it feels much more like a vent post, but I still feel incredibly glad that I have some place to speak my mind. Thank you all in advance.
Please, if you have suggestions, observations or criticisms, don't pull any punches. Maybe you have sanitisation plans of your own, I would love to read about them. Now that I've put mine into words, it does not feel like a plan at all, though I am omitting a lot for the sake of not spending all night typing.
 
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SoonToBeSoil

SoonToBeSoil

Insane and depraved
Jul 15, 2026
29
I relate to many things you said. (Not everything)

I used to be so concerned with how people thought of me after dying, but now I do not care. I am going to kill myself anyway and explain nothing. All matters of 'character' and 'legacy' are meaningless to me. Nothing matters in the world, all legacy and memories of me will be gone in a couple generations. Even if they remained for longer, so what? What does it matter that anyone is who they are? We all just are. Some people 'do great things' and some people kill themselves. What does it matter if I, specifically, am one or the other? There will still be people that do great things. It does not matter to me that I am someone who accomplishes anything good in the world. I see everyone as one and myself as an infinitesimal part of that whole. Killing myself and anything that follows as a result don't matter. (Not sure if I explained this very well. This is something I think about sometimes. What does it matter who I am/was?)

I personally have thrown out my journals and anything personal to me.
 
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Might not be Irrelevant, Unwanted, Unneeded?
Nov 20, 2023
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I very much like and appreciate Mishima as well.
I've been trying to find a copy of "Mishima's Sword" to read. Many of the things that he struggled for, the currents running through his works, are still alive. Perhaps hidden, but still there at least in Japan.

Could your journals be of interest to a scholar you respect? As long as they don't include any of your information, you could post them with no return address, and a simple printed letter explaining why you sent them and whatever you want to add by way of context.

I don't know what to say about the degree she the rest. Sorry for that.
But thank you for a thoughtful post!
 
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Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
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Yukio Mishima,

which book or writing is best for this:

rationalise honorable death as something necessary if one wishes to avoid slow death by decay and decadence. I do not wish to grow old; to become some perverted old man who does not care about the world he lives in. Neither did Mishima. His writings have put into words the feelings I have been wrestling with for a long time.


im reading jiwoon hwang :

 
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BrontesA

Katabasis
Jul 16, 2026
18
I relate to many things you said. (Not everything)

I used to be so concerned with how people thought of me after dying, but now I do not care. I am going to kill myself anyway and explain nothing. All matters of 'character' and 'legacy' are meaningless to me. Nothing matters in the world, all legacy and memories of me will be gone in a couple generations. Even if they remained for longer, so what? What does it matter that anyone is who they are? We all just are. Some people 'do great things' and some people kill themselves. What does it matter if I, specifically, am one or the other? There will still be people that do great things. It does not matter to me that I am someone who accomplishes anything good in the world. I see everyone as one and myself as an infinitesimal part of that whole. Killing myself and anything that follows as a result don't matter. (Not sure if I explained this very well. This is something I think about sometimes. What does it matter who I am/was?)

I personally have thrown out my journals and anything personal to me.
I appreciate your honesty. If I may ask, what helped you get over your attachment to the journals / your overall image?
I do understand the arbitrary nature of leaving things behind, since yes everyone who knows us will be gone within a generation too. But I suppose it goes back to Mishima (primarily because he articulated such feelings incredibly well), who said something along the lines of 'a man's desire for beauty is always a desire for death', I feel as though forging a more beautiful image for myself and then choosing to destroy the host of it would display some sort of sentience in regards to my situation. Yes, I am in pain and I do not wish to live, but I wish even less to be remembered as 'oh yeah he just kinda offed himself :( ". I'm fully aware of my desperation for understanding, and I think suicide would be one of the only ways for someone to care enough to investigate me deeper, but only if I leave behind the correct things for the correct people.
Not sure this makes sense. Thank you for engaging with me :)
I very much like and appreciate Mishima as well.
I've been trying to find a copy of "Mishima's Sword" to read. Many of the things that he struggled for, the currents running through his works, are still alive. Perhaps hidden, but still there at least in Japan.

Could your journals be of interest to a scholar you respect? As long as they don't include any of your information, you could post them with no return address, and a simple printed letter explaining why you sent them and whatever you want to add by way of context.

I don't know what to say about the degree she the rest. Sorry for that.
But thank you for a thoughtful post!
I wouldn't say scholar, my writings would have zero publishing value, and qualitative analysis only ever is informed by safe, mainstream theories anyway, academia genuinely would not care about a single suicide, the exact same way they don't care about the millions of yearly ones (as an ex-psychology student, I can't put into words how capable we are in helping the entire planet with suffering, and yet, not a single effort has been made), but yes there are people I feel may have the capacity to understand my thinking if framed right. One or two personalised notes would only explain the cause, but I feel as though I would require a higher volume of evidence to compel anyone to actually see things my way. The goal obviously isn't to find the correct person to change my mind about suicide, but for even just one person to develop some genuine understanding as to why someone of my situation would let go of their relatively comfortable life.
There was some quote I once read about the desire to be understood being the greatest prison for humans, or something along those lines. It feels so much easier to just burn everything and be done with it, but I cannot really articulate what is stopping me from doing so.
Thank you for thoughts.
 
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l1ablemistakes

Wasted potential
Feb 16, 2026
264
You are far more articulate than I am so I'm not sure me replying will be useful, but I just wanted to say I relate. Even though I know rationally my legacy makes no difference to me considering I won't be here to experience it, setting things right as much as I can will bring me the peace of mind I'll need to actually go through with it. I don't think I could do it knowing I left things unfinished or didn't account for something important. I am leaving notes to explain everything, but I'm also stuck on the idea of journals. I have a few, one I've kept since I was about 13 that I'll definitely have to burn because not only are the entries incredibly depressing and suicidal, I also used to use it to tally my self-harm (one of my very first OCD habits). I think it would be incredibly disturbing to anyone who read it, but it would also show how much I've been suffering and for how long.
I think I'm going to leave my other journals to one of my best friends. I have a poetry book where I scrapbook and illustrate all of my poetry, I rarely show it to anyone I know but most of my close friends know I have it. I used to have a blog for it that I've since deleted in anticipation of my suicide. The poetry is also very dark and sometimes graphic, but it's also more true to my current self. Parts are disturbing but parts are happy. I've written beautiful poetry about the people I love. I think she would want to keep it. There are a couple spreads I've created about people who are no longer in my life (in both cases, they left me due to not being able to deal with my mental illness), that I kind of want to leave to them. I'm not sure if that's selfish, but I genuinely miss them, I'm trying not to let myself be upset or angry anymore.
I also kept a 'junk journal', aka a scrapbook of my life. There's no point in throwing that out, it's just cute and fun.
I'm wiping my phone as well. I've already cleared most of my camera roll. I'm going to delete all logins and apps and change any passwords I've shared with anyone to something unguessable. Not for everything, just things I need hidden. Like here.
I guess it kind of does feel deceitful, but at the same time I feel like I deserve privacy. Some things I created for me and me only and it does feel a bit lonely sometimes, but I think I need it to stay that way.
I also live a very comfortable life; apart from my physical/mental health struggles, I'm pretty privileged and fortunate. So I do feel like I need to give an explanation. My friends and family know I've attempted before, and know how long of a struggle it's been, but I still don't think they'd ever consider the possibility of me actually going through with it.
Thank you for sharing, you are very well spoken!
 
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BrontesA

Katabasis
Jul 16, 2026
18
You are far more articulate than I am so I'm not sure me replying will be useful, but I just wanted to say I relate. Even though I know rationally my legacy makes no difference to me considering I won't be here to experience it, setting things right as much as I can will bring me the peace of mind I'll need to actually go through with it. I don't think I could do it knowing I left things unfinished or didn't account for something important. I am leaving notes to explain everything, but I'm also stuck on the idea of journals. I have a few, one I've kept since I was about 13 that I'll definitely have to burn because not only are the entries incredibly depressing and suicidal, I also used to use it to tally my self-harm (one of my very first OCD habits). I think it would be incredibly disturbing to anyone who read it, but it would also show how much I've been suffering and for how long.
I think I'm going to leave my other journals to one of my best friends. I have a poetry book where I scrapbook and illustrate all of my poetry, I rarely show it to anyone I know but most of my close friends know I have it. I used to have a blog for it that I've since deleted in anticipation of my suicide. The poetry is also very dark and sometimes graphic, but it's also more true to my current self. Parts are disturbing but parts are happy. I've written beautiful poetry about the people I love. I think she would want to keep it. There are a couple spreads I've created about people who are no longer in my life (in both cases, they left me due to not being able to deal with my mental illness), that I kind of want to leave to them. I'm not sure if that's selfish, but I genuinely miss them, I'm trying not to let myself be upset or angry anymore.
I also kept a 'junk journal', aka a scrapbook of my life. There's no point in throwing that out, it's just cute and fun.
I'm wiping my phone as well. I've already cleared most of my camera roll. I'm going to delete all logins and apps and change any passwords I've shared with anyone to something unguessable. Not for everything, just things I need hidden. Like here.
I guess it kind of does feel deceitful, but at the same time I feel like I deserve privacy. Some things I created for me and me only and it does feel a bit lonely sometimes, but I think I need it to stay that way.
I also live a very comfortable life; apart from my physical/mental health struggles, I'm pretty privileged and fortunate. So I do feel like I need to give an explanation. My friends and family know I've attempted before, and know how long of a struggle it's been, but I still don't think they'd ever consider the possibility of me actually going through with it.
Thank you for sharing, you are very well spoken!
"I feel like I deserve privacy" is a great way to put it. Even if giving everything meant full disclosure, we have no right to be judged on our worst moments. Invariably, that's exactly what will happen should we disclose everything; the good things will be drowned out with the depressing entries and fucked up drawings and we'll always be seen as 'sick', which is reductive beyond words cause I'm sure every single one of us could write a full book behind their ctb reasons.
Do you reckon this need for explanation comes from our comfortable physical situation? It feels privileged to focus on the framing of justification over anything else in a personal situation like this. Not that I care if its 'privileged', I get to pick my own suicide priorities. But part of me feels there's a small correlation between comfort and need for pre-departure info-dumping. The strangest part is I haven't at all considered faking information, or embellishing to make myself look better (with the exception of the degree. About which I would tell you: fuck you, I wasted twenty thousand and four years on a school that genuinely did not teach me anything useful, the least I deserve is a piece of paper keepsake for my parents). I just want a more 'carefully presented' attempt at explaining myself.

It's very smart to dispose of login info and accounts too, I didn't consider it too strongly until now. Your poetry sounds very interesting too, especially with illustrations. Scrapbooking also sounds pleasant, especially with a miscellaneous junk journal for observatory thoughts. Maybe this need for justification is just the curse of people who create.
On the darker side, I can relate to keeping track of self-harm, though the one's I tallied were lashings (and on an opposite page, push-ups, lmao). Very weird feeling to document such things. Regardless, thank you for your comment, stranger!
 
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SoonToBeSoil

Insane and depraved
Jul 15, 2026
29
I appreciate your honesty. If I may ask, what helped you get over your attachment to the journals / your overall image?
I do understand the arbitrary nature of leaving things behind, since yes everyone who knows us will be gone within a generation too. But I suppose it goes back to Mishima (primarily because he articulated such feelings incredibly well), who said something along the lines of 'a man's desire for beauty is always a desire for death', I feel as though forging a more beautiful image for myself and then choosing to destroy the host of it would display some sort of sentience in regards to my situation. Yes, I am in pain and I do not wish to live, but I wish even less to be remembered as 'oh yeah he just kinda offed himself :( ". I'm fully aware of my desperation for understanding, and I think suicide would be one of the only ways for someone to care enough to investigate me deeper, but only if I leave behind the correct things for the correct people.
Not sure this makes sense. Thank you for engaging with me :)
I don't know, I just don't care. For a while I did, and I was alive and suffering. Now I just want to be dead, and don't care what happens after (I'll be dead anyway). I think my attachments might have been a form of survival instinct. They won't stop me now.

I threw out my journals and things because they were just taking up space. I hated having lots of possessions and so I got rid of many of them and just kept what I really needed and used. I also wouldn't have wanted anyone to read them. (I mean, it would have been whatever, everything I wrote was pretty tame in retrospect)
 
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l1ablemistakes

Wasted potential
Feb 16, 2026
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"I feel like I deserve privacy" is a great way to put it. Even if giving everything meant full disclosure, we have no right to be judged on our worst moments. Invariably, that's exactly what will happen should we disclose everything; the good things will be drowned out with the depressing entries and fucked up drawings and we'll always be seen as 'sick', which is reductive beyond words cause I'm sure every single one of us could write a full book behind their ctb reasons.
Do you reckon this need for explanation comes from our comfortable physical situation? It feels privileged to focus on the framing of justification over anything else in a personal situation like this. Not that I care if its 'privileged', I get to pick my own suicide priorities. But part of me feels there's a small correlation between comfort and need for pre-departure info-dumping. The strangest part is I haven't at all considered faking information, or embellishing to make myself look better (with the exception of the degree. About which I would tell you: fuck you, I wasted twenty thousand and four years on a school that genuinely did not teach me anything useful, the least I deserve is a piece of paper keepsake for my parents). I just want a more 'carefully presented' attempt at explaining myself.

It's very smart to dispose of login info and accounts too, I didn't consider it too strongly until now. Your poetry sounds very interesting too, especially with illustrations. Scrapbooking also sounds pleasant, especially with a miscellaneous junk journal for observatory thoughts. Maybe this need for justification is just the curse of people who create.
On the darker side, I can relate to keeping track of self-harm, though the one's I tallied were lashings (and on an opposite page, push-ups, lmao). Very weird feeling to document such things. Regardless, thank you for your comment, stranger!
I do think a lot of it comes from the fact that, to anyone else, my reasons might not be immediately apparent. I don't want any of my loved ones to be left with questions or 'what if's. I'm sure if they wanted to they could imagine my darkest moments, but I think exposing them to things I wrote at that time would be unnecessarily triggering. I do feel like living a privileged life makes me feel the need to explain myself more.

As for your degree, it seems like you earned it. I barely made it through university myself, there was actually a week where I thought I'd failed a test and nearly killed myself because of it. If that's what brings you peace, go for it. University is an absolute soul leech, surviving it for four years is impressive!
 
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