Discussion nihilism - ode’s thoughts

[nihilisticmystics]

~ for those that don't know what nihilism is, it's basically the belief/philosophy/conclusion that nothing matters in life and existence is pointless and doesn't matter. nothing matters. ~

there is no point to life or existence. work, relationships, money, school, friends. none of this matters because we will all die and be forgotten and replaced and any friends, jobs, houses, cars, relationships we might've had will be gone and forgotten. there is no point to any of this, we are all slaves in a system that WE set up. we were not made to work and yet here we are, in a system completely set up and ran by us. money is made up. jobs are made up. everything is made up and everyone has been so brainwashed that if you try to bring any of this up, they will think you are either: lazy and not wanting to work, or crazy. or both.

i've tried to explain how i feel to others before in the past. i don't want to work because there is no point, i don't want to make money or pay rent because there is no point. i get the same replies every time; "you're just lazy. this is life. you need to work to survive. get used to it."

why does nobody question this? we are slaves living in a cycle. i feel alone being hyperaware of all of this, why is nobody waking up? but to be honest, i don't really care. they can continue to slave away and live their stupid lives like this.

normally, i'm an existential nihilist. which is the basic idea of nihilism that nothing- the universe, life, existence-, doesn't matter and has no meaning.

but recently i have developed pessimistic nihilism, which is basically i'm depressed BECAUSE i see that there is no meaning or purpose. it's so draining, and i can't get better because i am at the point where even if i get a job, get friends, do everything i'm "supposed" to do, it will always be on my mind that it doesn't matter. i'm too far gone into nihilism, i will never be satisfied or fulfilled with my life.

i'm also extremely misanthropic, which doesn't help at all. but i don't really care that it doesn't help. do you see what i mean?

but yeah. nothing matters and we will all die. existence is stupid and pointless

 

[Ethel]

Have you looked into nietzche phylosophy,?
I heard he was all about overcoming nihilism

There's also Albert camus essay on sysaphus, "One must imagine it happy"

There is no peace,but that is no reason to stop moving forward, I thought :3

Have a nice day

 

[TheEmptyVoid]

I'm also depressed because I see no meaning in life or any purpose.

 

[nihilisticmystics]

Have you looked into nietzche phylosophy,?
I heard he was all about overcoming nihilism

There's also Albert camus essay on sysaphus, "One must imagine it happy"

There is no peace,but that is no reason to stop moving forward, I thought :3

Have a nice day

Are you talking abt absurdism? :o

I'm also depressed because I see no meaning in life or any purpose.

Pessimistic nihilism, my friend

 

[hmnow]

Makes suicide easy then - doesn't it :)

 

[nihilisticmystics]

Makes suicide easy then - doesn't it :)

Definitely!

 

[Cosmophobic]

Makes suicide easy then - doesn't it :)

 

[socksnsandles]

i mean the truth is:

nothing matters

only you can assign purpose to anything, and if you choose to ctb, you have officially decided there is no longer assigned purpose to anything for you.

its as simple as that. mans search for meaning, a book written by a holocaust survivor, basically goes over this.

 

[Slark]

Have you looked into nietzche phylosophy,?
I heard he was all about overcoming nihilism

There's also Albert camus essay on sysaphus, "One must imagine it happy"

There is no peace,but that is no reason to stop moving forward, I thought :3

Have a nice day

I was going to quote Camus; I think his answer is the best. He kind of says something like: I don't care about meaninglessness. He has the lucidity to accept the meaninglessness of the world, but he rebels against it, finding happiness despite it.
However, like all philosophy, putting it into practice isn't so easy.

 

[LigottiIsRight]

Sorry, Camus, I just can't imagine Sisyphus happy.

 

[Ethel]

I was going to quote Camus; I think his answer is the best. He kind of says something like: I don't care about meaninglessness. He has the lucidity to accept the meaninglessness of the world, but he rebels against it, finding happiness despite it.
However, like all philosophy, putting it into practice isn't so easy.

It's hard,I understand camus but never fully got on board with it, I don't care about meaningless but this sort of stuff never bothered me to begin with,it feels useless to think about it

I think the reason I am here,depressed is because of self hate,and some would argue that any hate is self-hate ,life may be meaningless, but it's not upon me to make that decision for others

But yeah,life sucks ass tbh

Are you talking abt absurdism? :o

Pessimistic nihilism, my friend

Yes yes

i mean the truth is:

nothing matters

only you can assign purpose to anything, and if you choose to ctb, you have officially decided there is no longer assigned purpose to anything for you.

its as simple as that. mans search for meaning, a book written by a holocaust survivor, basically goes over this.

I think big part that is left and maybe something i could only notice now,is how impactful emotions are,camus reason for surviving was is wife,which he deeply love, emotions together with mind can make miracles

A purpose without heart is cold and never lasts too long, I think

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think a lot of people at their core recognize the reality of cause and effect. So that- unless your needs are being covered by someone else- shelter, food, water, sanitation, heating, safety. If we don't do things to buy all the above, we end up destitute and homeless. Maybe some will say that even that doesn't matter but I imagine more have a preference to be in a more confortable environment.

Of course, we can't always control everything but, we can make our odds better. We're less likely to suffer if we take care of our health. We're likely less likely to be attacked randomly or freeze to death if we are able to sleep behind a locked door- rather than on the streets.

The depressing reality is that our survival and safety costs money- which people work to earn. Of course, it would be great if we didn't have to, but the reality for a lot of people is that they either have families who can't afford to take care of them forever. Or, they refuse to because- after all, they may not enjoy having to work either!

Of course, my argument as an anti-natilist is that they shouldn't have had children to begin with and simply expected them to wage slave. Even the expectation that they would be able to was a gamble. How did they know their child would always be well enough to work?

I suppose in the overall scheme of things- in terms of the sun eventually exploding/ imploding and destroying everything, it likely won't make a difference what an individual does with their life. To them and others though- it may make a great deal of difference.

They may choose not to risk homelessness. Their parents may not be able to ever retire because they feel the obligation to fund their child.

The really shit thing I think about being alive is- the moment we're here, we become enmeshed in other people's lives. As we grow into adulthood especially, our choices impact them massively. It's a terribly unfair burden to carry but unfortunately- we're stuck with it.

Maybe we can tell ourselves that no one's life matters. But, the likelihood is- if we do nothing, we will be depending on those same people to take care of us. Why should they though? What if they take the same attitude? Then ultimately, no one works.

We either then all become self sufficient or, we die. Do any of us have all the skills to survive? Perhaps a handful do. Really though- with no jobs, you're looking at a lawless society- because there's no one employed to uphold the law. Even if you could maintain an environment to live in, how would you protect it from looters who would rather steal than work?

I kind of understand nihilism from a philosophical perspective. In reality though, unless you have wealth backing you up, it's a difficult policy to live with. Because- unless you're depending on people who work themselves, you're living without any comfort.

I also think that because people know they will have to earn in order to support themselves or face homelessness, we use coping mechanisms to try and push through. We try to follow a passion say. So that 'work' doesn't feel so gruelling. We try and find purpose or meaning in what we do. Even if it isn't a meaning set in stone, it can make us feel better about our unpleasant reality.

The way I tend to see it is- the nihilists may well have it right. Maybe everything is indeed pointless. Yet, all of us are subject to cause and effect. I do tend to wonder how many nihilists depend on the very people they criticise/ mock. Because, without them, they'd presumably starve. So- I suppose ultimately that's it: Would it matter to you if you were left to starve? Would it bother you if there were no efforts made at all to stop suffering generally? If everyone truly was entirely out for themselves? Would that be chaos or bliss?

 

[doneforlife]

Till we are in this world, everything matters. The moment we are gone , everything still matters , just not to the one gone. And the reason everything matters is because we are sentient and can feel. We can feel Pain . Pain makes everything matter.