newbies. stop asking for sources

[Lawliet]

i'm really tired of new accounts (like less than 20 messages) hijacking other people's threads and creating so many of their own asking someone to PM them a source, particularly for SN. while i understand that many new accounts are trying to die ASAP, it's not safe for our established members to entrust someone so new with a source. our website is the most visible, and most subject to new stories and journalists, people who are trying to get us in trouble.

members, please use discretion when giving out sources. and newbies, please take your time and establish yourself before asking for a source. check out the SN megathread as well, you'll find a lot of info there.

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that a lot of people who come on here are extremely desperate and very tired. They don't want to really participate in the forum, they only signed up for methods and this site can be confusing with all the acronyms so this is why they may post asking for sources.

The fact is that people are focused on their own situations rather than constantly thinking about the pro life media, and it makes sense why people would feel this way. It's understandable why so many people wish for SN as so many have succeeded with the method after all. The true problem is this horrible world which makes it this difficult for people to die and wants to remove method options from people. Despite what many people in this world think there could never be anything wrong with someone deciding to exit. I hope all those who wish for freedom from this life manage to achieve it.

 

[paleperson]

not a newbie but I would say that is almost entirely the whole point of this site. If this wasn't the case there wouldn't be politicians and legislators trying to take this site down. when I first became a member I managed to get two sources within 24 hrs for SN. Do not message me Im not here to aid anyones suicide, just to explore my own. People don't discover a site like this because they're doing great. Whether this site is a net positive or negative is way above my level but Im tired of members acting as if this is a powerful pro-life moral resource. At least part of it is hub a vulnerable people cheerleading suicide. As if the exchange of sources isnt the main thing setting this site apart from other sites that get less hate and controversy ...

 

[Hollowillow]

I see your point... Giving the source to newcomers defeats the point of having them wait before they can pm & not posting it in public if we tell anyone...

But maybe as long as it's not super easy to find in the public forum? So if someone search for food they won't find a massive amount of suicide threads?

I guess any vicious person can pretend to be our friend for months before asking & trying to destroy the supplier (who doesn't know we abuse their product)

they might as well ban pharmacies, knives & ropes...

I'm disgusted that they try to take away the means to die instead to give us a reason to live.

Perhaps we can make a sticky "pm list for source" with a few volunteers (who can change and be only available 1 day a week) maybe mods, who can question & judge if the person is trustworty?

I'd rather give the source quick than have people fake friendship...

Any new sources (acronyms) after DD stopped?

 

[come to dust]

I'm worries that some of these supposed newbies are law enforcement, journalists or activists trying to shut us down. They act too suspicious.

 

[lifeORdeath]

i'm really tired of new accounts (like less than 20 messages) hijacking other people's threads and creating so many of their own asking someone to PM them a source, particularly for SN. while i understand that many new accounts are trying to die ASAP, it's not safe for our established members to entrust someone so new with a source. our website is the most visible, and most subject to new stories and journalists, people who are trying to get us in trouble.

members, please use discretion when giving out sources. and newbies, please take your time and establish yourself before asking for a source. check out the SN megathread as well, you'll find a lot of info there.

Yeah if you lurk long enough, even without an account. You can easily see in past threads the sources that were and the very few that still are. Most have dried up, and the ones that left will dry up if they get me toned or even picture start shown on here.

A lot of the drying up probably happened because of discourse on here.

 

[Rounded Agony]

Worse still is seeing post asking about methods. Dude, there are literally pages of resources readily available for this. Maybe this is something for forum suggestions; some kind of first-login crash course/tutorial explaining this stuff is already here and where to find it?
PS I'm also not sure this post belongs in suicide discussion lol

 

[lifeORdeath]

Yes, there are sticky threads about this but they usually don't get looked at.

If you Google for methods ymit even has links to older posts from this site, with the question they ask.

 

[Lawliet]

Worse still is seeing post asking about methods. Dude, there are literally pages of resources readily available for this. Maybe this is something for forum suggestions; some kind of first-login crash course/tutorial explaining this stuff is already here and where to find it?
PS I'm also not sure this post belongs in suicide discussion lol

I questioned this too, but it has to do with looking for sources to commit suicide. There are also so few newbies check the off topic section

 

[Capsaicin78]

I'm worries that some of these supposed newbies are law enforcement, journalists or activists trying to shut us down. They act too suspicious.

law enforcement is busy with busting down small drug dealers , dont worry. They dont care about suicidal people trust me.

 

[Lawliet]

i also hope that i didn't come off as too abrasive or apathetic, i'm just very tired and paranoid

 

[NeverEndingPain]

Worse still is seeing post asking about methods. Dude, there are literally pages of resources readily available for this. Maybe this is something for forum suggestions; some kind of first-login crash course/tutorial explaining this stuff is already here and where to find it?
PS I'm also not sure this post belongs in suicide discussion lol

Maybe some people rather ask and engage in a conversation with others and not just read about it. I find more comfort in having a discussion where I don't feel so alone. What else do you discuss on a suicide forum?

 

[Dying Failure]

I can agree to disagree on this topic, like I did my research and did find my own vendor about SN yet coming to this site as a "newbie" if it weren't for some of the threads I wouldn't have had the research tools I needed to find such a reliable vendor for mine. But I can agree cause it makes me nervous when people ask me where did I get it from like are you going to stop the vendor or me from doing what needs to be done? So I'm kind of conflicted on this topic tbh.

 

[universe]

I totally agree with all of you. The SN method is starting to make itself known, and I fear that it will be the end in a few years. The sources begins to restrict, stop selling recently.

Also, I noticed that oddly, after the articles on the Amazon/SN lawsuit came out, lots of people asked where to find SN and these people were all located in the same place. Obviously these were new accounts, without messages. Some ask for the sources, post a few messages and leave the forum. Maybe I'm paranoid, but it is essential to protect this site for all people who will discover it one day, as I have been able to benefit from it.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I posted a thread back in June about posting ordering and receiving dates.... Of course people didn't listen. I still see them. Now one of the suppliers is asking for id. The other is gone completely. I'm not going to bother saying which ones, I think everyone knows anyway.
It has been mentioned that these have been discussed in the sticky threads. Probably read some of them at some point.
I do understand that new members want to quickly access sources, but doing some research first could help.
I'm assuming there are still Megathreads on methods? I don't think I've been in those in a long time.
I don't remember what comes up when someone first joins but it should direct them to the rules and FAQS. (Or does it already)?
There used to be a Methods section, I can't remember where it is anymore or if it was never put back in.
I just happen to be one of the lucky ones who found S.S. early. Good times.... If you can call it that.
It was so much easier back then. (Sorry for the remenising)

Anyway.... Just my thoughts.

 

[BillyBob]

I apologise since I done this on someones post.
After googlegroups and reddit banning SS I kind of gave up on replying/messaging people and prefer to just lurk now in general reading what people are going through.
I joined this site back in 2018 and then stopped using it and have just come back after running into a really shit rough patch in life.

And your concerns are true with journos and people monitoring the site. There are always going to be those people who think they can try and save someone who wants to take their own life and will do anything to stop them.

 

[Existingunexister]

i'm really tired of new accounts (like less than 20 messages) hijacking other people's threads and creating so many of their own asking someone to PM them a source, particularly for SN. while i understand that many new accounts are trying to die ASAP, it's not safe for our established members to entrust someone so new with a source. our website is the most visible, and most subject to new stories and journalists, people who are trying to get us in trouble.

members, please use discretion when giving out sources. and newbies, please take your time and establish yourself before asking for a source. check out the SN megathread as well, you'll find a lot of info there.

As a newbie, I am sorry for my retardedness and I can understand the paranoia, I never taught this site is under heavy scrutiny by these journos (was checking articles the other day). Tbh, if someone really wants to find out methods or sources, it should be personally sent to the person asking for it (idk if this site has chat option) and you guys can secretly create things like discord groups or something, so that these journos cant intervene in anyway and cut of our resources.

 

[hush hush]

I apologise since I done this on someones post.
After googlegroups and reddit banning SS I kind of gave up on replying/messaging people and prefer to just lurk now in general reading what people are going through.
I joined this site back in 2018 and then stopped using it and have just come back after running into a really shit rough patch in life.

And your concerns are true with journos and people monitoring the site. There are always going to be those people who think they can try and save someone who wants to take their own life and will do anything to stop them.

Those do-gooders who do anything to "save" a person usually want to drug the hell out of them despite the fact many psychiatric disorders including depression are unconfirmable and unfalsifiable, and have no empirical or biological justification. The chemical imbalance theory is a lie and antidepressants do not cure any unproven disease, they just create altered brain states like illegal substances or coffee.

The trouble with do-gooders: the example of suicide. | Journal of Medical Ethics

http://cepuk.org/unrecognised-facts/altered-mental-states/
http://cepuk.org/unrecognised-facts/myth-of-the-chemical-imbalance/

 

[NoWayOut22]

this forum is watched more than people think so to say it isnt is very misleading.
this community is easy to prey on and trick which is why alot of accounts are law enforcement, thats reality.
so i agree. dont give out any sources.
its because this forum gave away all the sources in 2018/2019 that we are all in this mess in the first place and stuck trying to find new sources.

 

[StrangeAndDeath]

law enforcement is busy with busting down small drug dealers , dont worry. They dont care about suicidal people trust me.

You might not have heard of Lori Trahan

 

[Nangijala]

i'm really tired of new accounts (like less than 20 messages) hijacking other people's threads and creating so many of their own asking someone to PM them a source, particularly for SN. while i understand that many new accounts are trying to die ASAP, it's not safe for our established members to entrust someone so new with a source. our website is the most visible, and most subject to new stories and journalists, people who are trying to get us in trouble.

members, please use discretion when giving out sources. and newbies, please take your time and establish yourself before asking for a source. check out the SN megathread as well, you'll find a lot of info there.

As a new member I can see where you are coming from, we can never really trust who is behind an account here. At the same time I think a large group of new people joining are genuine in their wish to secure a way to CTB. I would spend more time here to establish myself, but at the same time I am worried about the materials for my prefered methods rapidly becoming harder to acquire. And as shallow as it sounds, although I am happy to find some people to relate to here, my primary motivation for joining this community is securing a peaceful exit, not talking with others. Right now I am just trying to find vendors myself and also looking into reliable methods that only require materials I can easily acquire.

 

[Musichater]

As a newbie, I'm offended. Newbies are really an easy subject to discrimination, even here. Guess I'll have to keep lurking until 2025 when I'll no longer be labeled a newbie. That's it, if I'm still around.

 

[almaranthine]

I had someone pm me for a source and their account was super new and I was honestly just afraid to respond. Still feel kind of bad honestly. I've been on this site since 2017, older account, and this one is a few years old too. I felt so awkward having to ask for a source recently. Idk, it's a real dilemma for people on both sides. I don't want to risk myself or compromise a source but at the same time this is the internet—how are people supposed to prove that they are genuine?... it's virtually impossible (pun intended). I agree that it isn't a good look to have super new accounts posting all these threads blatantly asking people to share sources when it's against the rules of the forum though. What we choose to pm other members is free for us to decide, but publicly it doesn't bode well to explicitly have that stated over and over again.

 

[Lawliet]

As a newbie, I'm offended. Newbies are really an easy subject to discrimination, even here. Guess I'll have to keep lurking until 2025 when I'll no longer be labeled a newbie. That's it, if I'm still around.

there's no need to be dramatic and i'm sorry that you're frustrated. we were all newbies at one point, and we all have to pay our dues. if we don't, it could lead to the downfall of this website and the methods that are used here.

As a new member I can see where you are coming from, we can never really trust who is behind an account here. At the same time I think a large group of new people joining are genuine in their wish to secure a way to CTB. I would spend more time here to establish myself, but at the same time I am worried about the materials for my prefered methods rapidly becoming harder to acquire. And as shallow as it sounds, although I am happy to find some people to relate to here, my primary motivation for joining this community is securing a peaceful exit, not talking with others. Right now I am just trying to find vendors myself and also looking into reliable methods that only require materials I can easily acquire.

I do not think it is shallow at all, and it's the primary reason why so many people seek out this website. I wish it didn't have to be this way, and i hate that so many people have exposed us.

 

[Side-By-Side]

As a newbie, I understand why it is so vital to protect the sources as well as the established members (with this forum being under surveillance and this forum being a safe community to express ourselves). Hence why I have anxiety over messaging other members because I don't want to come off as sus. I'm also scared of being reported and banned just because I am a newbie and I reached out to the more established members...Heck even writing this out, I don't know if I'll be banned because I expressed my worries...

It is definitely frustrating, but I also don't want to be disingenuous by spamming the forum just to get my message count up and get out of the newbie status. I want to be able to talk to someone about my struggles but really I don't know who I can reach out to...

Please forgive me for my little rant. Just something I have felt for a while now since joining this forum...

 

[Lawliet]

As a newbie, I understand why it is so vital to protect the sources as well as the established members (with this forum being under surveillance and this forum being a safe community to express ourselves). Hence why I have anxiety over messaging other members because I don't want to come off as sus. I'm also scared of being reported and banned just because I am a newbie and I reached out to the more established members...Heck even writing this out, I don't know if I'll be banned because I expressed my worries...

It is definitely frustrating, but I also don't want to be disingenuous by spamming the forum just to get my message count up and get out of the newbie status. I want to be able to talk to someone about my struggles but really I don't know who I can reach out to...

Please forgive me for my little rant. Just something I have felt for a while now since joining this forum...

you won't be banned for expressing your worries, and i appreciate your understanding for caution.

i highly recommend creating your own thread to begin with. you can detail as much or as little as you want there, and begin to forge connections.

 

[Zegers]

We were also newbies some time ago and if it wasn't for some users some of us wouldn't have SN now but its certain that D was literally inundated with messages and who knows if he wasn't arrested for overexposure. I think maybe the sources should only be released for a certain price (which would shield the sources and the forum at the same time)

 

[hotpizza529]

Been lurking here but I just feel like having the ability to decide when and how to leave the world should be a human right. Writing articles about this site/SN does nothing for the people who want to die but feeding those writers' ego and wallets

 

[Cryptonite]

The best thing is to establish yourself a little and then ask for sources in private messages.

But to be honest, we can never prevent infiltrators from discovering sources. It is just impossible. Someone can appear like the most legit person with terrible issues leading them to CTB, while, in fact, they could be some journos or whoever.

The best thing would be to destigmatize suicide, but that is not going to happen anytime soon. People only feel empathetic when they can project themselves into the other person's situation, but no one wants to imagine themselves dying. The idea of their death is absolutely terrifying and by stopping other people from suicide they subconsciously fight to suppress their own fear.

 

[Lawliet]

People only feel empathetic when they can project themselves into the other person's situation, but no one wants to imagine themselves dying. The idea of their death is absolutely terrifying and by stopping other people from suicide they subconsciously fight to suppress their own fear.

you've hit the nail on the head there. canada seems to be headed in the right direction but the time the rest of the world catches up i will have already been long gone