new attacks to sanctioned suicide and sn method,this time from Italy

[Willdieby30]

as an Italian I say that Italy is shit: a dead country with no future for young people and with a retrograde Christian mentality of the 19th century.
If many Italians have decided to die it's because this country doesn't give you a way to live in dignity, there are many here to commit suicide because of debts or unemployment.
In Italy there is only good food, everything else sucks.

in north america, there is not even good food.

 

[RainAndSadness]

First of all, I was able to access the forum from an Italian proxy server. Make of that what you will.

Now, I don't know. Either these articles are another example of lazy and bad journalism or they're outright malicious. Honestly, I think it's the latter. Like, there are no minors in this forum. That's simply a lie, didn't they do their research? No because if they did they would have known that we ban them on sight, end of discussion. And you know, maybe I'm crazy but shouldn't parents look after their children and, I don't know, do something that's called parenting in almost every modern and civilized country - instead of going after a community that's clearly made for adults? Is that a controversial take? I don't know but why is it our job to take care of their children? It's their job to monitor the activity of their children in the internet, why do they blame us? In all honesty, parents should actually thank us for doing their job for them but(!) you know what? Just because we ban them doesn't mean they'll stop roaming the internet freely. The internet contains plenty of harmful content and the best way to protect your children is to look after them. I know, nobody could have seen that coming, being an actual parent, yikes. I have weird ideas, right?

And I really don't see why we're constantly to blame when we make it very clear from the start that this is a community for autonomous and consenting adults that wants to exercise their most basic human rights. Why is that left out in that article? Why aren't we allowed to do that? Does the idea that people have a right to engage in discussions about their daily existential pain and suffering and exchange information regarding their right to die make you (as journalists) uncomfortable? Maybe you should question your priorities then but whatever you tried to achieve with these articles - one thing is clear, they're garbage. This forum addresses very fundamental question about basic human rights - rights, which by the way are ignored in almost every country on this planet. Relief from pain? How dare you, what a weird concept, am I right? Ask yourself, does creating these bad-faith articles about us help one single individual on this planet? And why didn't you go through some of the threads on this platform and read and learn about the reasons on why people are members of this forum in the first place? You have all the answers here, in thousands of threads. 17'000 members explained to you why they're here. What's causing their pain, their suffering, what's turning their life into a living nightmare, what's driving them to the edge. Why we're here. Why we need the forum. Why some of us consider their right to die. It's all there, yet you chose to ignore it and instead, just smear us, every single person that's a member in this forum. This forum is one of the best resources to actually reduce suicide because it contains thousands of anecdotal stories about their suffering and their reasons why they're considering their right to die - you didn't address this with one single word! You failed. You could have done something positive with all the information that's out there but you chose to do some lazy smear piece instead. As someone who is actually interested in reducing suffering, I'm disgusted. But you don't get.

Their strategy is so obvious and I'm gonna explain it to you.
They know they can't win against us with the "autonomous adults considering their right to die"-angle, so they go for the "weak-minded minors getting sucked into suicide"-angle. That's why they keep making up stories about minors using this website and they'll keep riding that boat until it sinks. I'll make a bold statement here: 99.9999999~% of the members in this forum are adults that have the mental capacity to make deeply personal decisions regarding their life and death (- none of your business by the way). But the goal of this exercise, all these articles that came out the last few months, the attempt to go after us politically, is taking away control from adults. That's it. It was never about children, they just don't like that you have control over your own exit. They don't like that we talk freely about sensitive, taboo subjects. This whole article couldn't be further from the truth but congrats to these journalists for - obviously - smearing this website in another bad-faith attempt to make us look bad. Why? Because the idea that the right to die has legitimate reasons to exist as a movement makes them feel uncomfortable. I hope you're proud, attacking a community of suicidal adults and reducing all of us, 17'000 people, to minors. You're erasing very important voices that need to be heard. Thanks for your contribution.

 

[LastFlowers]

So we are in mainstream now?

I sure as fuck hope not.

 

[checkouttime]

And you know, maybe I'm crazy but shouldn't parents look after their children and, I don't know, do something that's called parenting in almost every modern and civilized country - instead of going after a community that's clearly made for adults? Is that a controversial take? I don't know but why is it our job to take care of their children? It's their job to monitor the activity of their children in the internet, why do they blame us?

you hit the nail on the head there!!! most of them clearly have no clue of anything their kids are doing, as long as they aren't being mothered they aren't bothered what they are upto.

 

[Willdieby30]

by the way, i posted before, about this site possibly being banned, when i was over europe in a swissair flight (flying towards montreal), it seems like while banning is always a caution, it is a legit threat as well, which leaves me with reservations about europe, where i am trying to go

 

[it's_all_a_game]

Why? Because the idea that the right to die has legitimate reasons to exist as a movement makes them feel uncomfortable.

I'm reeeeeally starting to think this is the reason why everyone writes these biased articles that refuse to take this site seriously, despite members here saying they suffer from abuse, financial problems, etc.

 

[BlackCatTalk]

Homesick for muy beloved T... He was one of them

 

[goat]

BuT mUh KiDs CaN aCcEsS iT

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Why do these articles always have to mention kids in their titles? Do they not know or care that all the members here are supposed to be adults and anyone who isn't gets banned anyway?

If people are at an age where they're old enough to die from going to war then they can surely be allowed to die from something more dignified than that or in whatever method they can choose if that's really what they want.

 

[Makko]

They know. Shut it down.

 

[diyCTB]

Why do these articles always have to mention kids in their titles? Do they not know or care that all the members here are supposed to be adults and anyone who isn't gets banned anyway?

Probably to make themselves feel better about excluding the rest of community because delving deeper will require a lot of resources. It's easier to add fuel to fire. They are like celebrity journalists who spread fake news to get on the cover of a magazine which only harms celebrity.

 

[a.h]

That first article is full of platitudes, as usual.

"Specialists point out that deaths from suicide They never have a single trigger, but are the result of psychological, biological and social factors that have treatment. People with suicidal behavior and their relatives have health services and emergency telephones at their disposal where they can receive help."

Are they serious? Where are the treatments for these social and biological factors? Can they conjure some relatives out of thin air for me please? Maybe a robot body as well, since mine doesn't fucking work and all of their magic treatments have done jack all.

It gets to a point where these authorities are simply living in delusions, they are denying the realities that force people into feeling suicidal. For Italian people specifically, I've heard the economic situation is grim and that so many young adults are trapped in a cycle of poverty.

That should never be seen as the fault of the individual, nor something they are expected to remedy, the government should put more resources into improving quality of life rather than trying to ban suicidal people from talking.

Give people reasons to live, rather than trying to take away their only solace.

People who commit suicide due to "biological issue" usually have terminal and very debilitating disease which is slowly and painfully killing them. I want to know which specialist can treat terminal diseases. Or do they mean by treating them to force them to go trough pain equal to worst nightmares until they die.
Many people go through same kind of or worse pain and torture you see in horror movies.

Many people have ended up to be a living head after being paralysed down from neck and aren't allowed to have euthanasia and they can't do suicide themselves. People with memory problems or mental confusion are strapped in bed with heavy ties on their feet, hands and torso for the rest of their lives so they don't wander off. At least in my country hospitals and care homes staff openly admit that and say its a common practise. So they end up being like a living head too waking up every morning in panic from being tied up. Many don't get enough pain meds and right care but has no ways to help themselves.
People with terminal disease often die slowly with excruciating pain. In the end many drown to death from fluids in lungs. Other option is to starve to death which ain't any better.

If you meet terminally ill and old people in hospital and talk to them everyone of them will say they suffer from bad pain daily. Even hospitals could give dieing patients opiates and other meds and care that took their pain away since getting addicted don't matter when you are dieing.
Many of the patients will say they wish to die.

People I loved have suffered that all. They just cried and said they want to die and that they have constant excruciating pain. None of us knew then that assisted dieing is actually legal here. But hospitals only offer starve to death option here.

Anyone who thinks that people should be made to suffer worst pain 24/7 is a really sick sadist.
Some brave doctors give painfully dieing people euthanasia they asked for even in countries where euthanasia and assisted dieing isn't written in law.
I'm happy to see that they aren't prosecuted in many countries.

Why do these articles always have to mention kids in their titles? Do they not know or care that all the members here are supposed to be adults and anyone who isn't gets banned anyway?

If people are at an age where they're old enough to die from going to war then they can surely be allowed to die from something more dignified than that or in whatever method they can choose if that's really what they want.

Those who committed legal act of suicide were adults. Nobody is ever encouraging anyone here.

Adults can link their phone to their kids phones and put programs (that kids can't delete) to stop adult content in their kids phone or device.

If someone writes suicide to search engine like duckduckgo they get mostly pages telling peacefull ways to suicide (plus in some countries about celebrity suicides) and few helpline pages. I checked this in few countries with vpn. I didn't even find Sanctioned suicide with word suicide (I checked few pages with all the countries ). Only if I write Sanctioned suicide this page shows and is first in the list.

 

[checkouttime]

Perhaps they should keep a closer eye on their 'kids' maybe use internet parental controls. Its a bit late making a fuss afterwards. Clearly they aren't too bothered about what their kids get upto in the 1st place or their kids wouldn't be searching for suicide forums.

 

[a.h]

I read how in my country it was seen many decades ago that banning suicide methods with destrictions to supply didn't have any effect to suicide rates. There are hundreds of ways with legal items that can't be banned or destricted.
Also banning ways to ctb will make more people to do it with train or car crash.

Also we have no propaganda against euthanasia and suicide pages.

Sanctioned Suicide: Website helping young people to commit suicide in Italy is shut down - Ruetir

Roma.- The Justice of Italy today ordered the closure of a web portal that had 17 thousand registered worldwide and that helped young people to commit suicide with the intake of toxic substances and recommendations on the diet that they had to take the previous days. The Rome Prosecutor’s Office...

www.ruetir.com

404. That’s an error.

Italy24 News English

www.italy24news.com

So Italian police will trace 17 000 people's identities even none of them brakes any law.
Or are they trying to save 17000 people around the world after they find out who they are.

Italian Police sure have huge funding and man power.

 

[omoidarui]

Apparently as a result of this article, we've had a surge of Italian members citing their healthcare failing them as their reason for registering, which speaks volumes.

A bereaved parent of one Italian member has also taken to Twitter under a not-so-convincing pretence of suicide prevention, all in the good FixThe26 spirit I guess? - with some brave albeit transparent fact-distorting on the side in an attempt to vilify random people from the site who the deceased probably never interacted with (in the good spirit of the article, which also attempts to scaremonger 17000 worldwide members to fearing Italian legal consequences xppp)

Anyway, SS is the only platform where we can confide openly without censorship so anytime we get mentioned in some rag and our member base grows, it's still a small win for individualism however you look at it.

 

[Samael96]

Thanks to my country's news i found out the name of SS and joined, i was looking for it like a mad lad! And thanks to SS i found my way of ctb by SN, otherwise i would have had to use something WAY more painful. I am so happy i could find my escape from my illness in here.

I must say tho, that in Italy that case exploded for 2 main reasons:
1)4 guys ctb with SN and had in common SS on their last checked website;
2)one of those 4 guys was a minor.

So imagine a nation based with religious ideas getting to know something like this... BOOM. They go on rampage not caring for what's around the reason.

Either way they say they closed it, but you just have to use google DNS and done deal LOL.
Actually good form of advertisement

 

[diyCTB]

So imagine a nation based with religious ideas getting to know something like this... BOOM. They go on rampage not caring for what's around the reason.

Like angry villagers with torches and pitchforks?

 

[Samael96]

Like angry villagers with torches and pitchforks?

Not quite but close

 

[VicMackey]

I never heard of those Italian news sites, but ABC news did publish this report that supposedly the same 17000 member community website was taken down for hosting anti-semetic content and plans to bomb a NATO building by Italian police.

Italian police dismantle antisemitic, racist online group

Italian authorities say they have dismantled an online group that was inciting youths to carry out antisemitic and racial gestures

abcnews.go.com

Wow. Just wow. Governments wont stop until they have complete control of everything and just use us as hosts to make their tax dollars. Was the movie The Matrix a real depiction?

 

[diyCTB]

@VicMackey It seems for every problem jews are to blame, ain't it? This news article reads like a mishmash of anti-semitic social group and suicide community added as a bonus. Unrelated and should not be lumped together with anti-semitism.

 

[whitefeather]

First of all, I was able to access the forum from an Italian proxy server. Make of that what you will.

Now, I don't know. Either these articles are another example of lazy and bad journalism or they're outright malicious. Honestly, I think it's the latter. Like, there are no minors in this forum. That's simply a lie, didn't they do their research? No because if they did they would have known that we ban them on sight, end of discussion. And you know, maybe I'm crazy but shouldn't parents look after their children and, I don't know, do something that's called parenting in almost every modern and civilized country - instead of going after a community that's clearly made for adults? Is that a controversial take? I don't know but why is it our job to take care of their children? It's their job to monitor the activity of their children in the internet, why do they blame us? In all honesty, parents should actually thank us for doing their job for them but(!) you know what? Just because we ban them doesn't mean they'll stop roaming the internet freely. The internet contains plenty of harmful content and the best way to protect your children is to look after them. I know, nobody could have seen that coming, being an actual parent, yikes. I have weird ideas, right?

And I really don't see why we're constantly to blame when we make it very clear from the start that this is a community for autonomous and consenting adults that wants to exercise their most basic human rights. Why is that left out in that article? Why aren't we allowed to do that? Does the idea that people have a right to engage in discussions about their daily existential pain and suffering and exchange information regarding their right to die make you (as journalists) uncomfortable? Maybe you should question your priorities then but whatever you tried to achieve with these articles - one thing is clear, they're garbage. This forum addresses very fundamental question about basic human rights - rights, which by the way are ignored in almost every country on this planet. Relief from pain? How dare you, what a weird concept, am I right? Ask yourself, does creating these bad-faith articles about us help one single individual on this planet? And why didn't you go through some of the threads on this platform and read and learn about the reasons on why people are members of this forum in the first place? You have all the answers here, in thousands of threads. 17'000 members explained to you why they're here. What's causing their pain, their suffering, what's turning their life into a living nightmare, what's driving them to the edge. Why we're here. Why we need the forum. Why some of us consider their right to die. It's all there, yet you chose to ignore it and instead, just smear us, every single person that's a member in this forum. This forum is one of the best resources to actually reduce suicide because it contains thousands of anecdotal stories about their suffering and their reasons why they're considering their right to die - you didn't address this with one single word! You failed. You could have done something positive with all the information that's out there but you chose to do some lazy smear piece instead. As someone who is actually interested in reducing suffering, I'm disgusted. But you don't get.

Their strategy is so obvious and I'm gonna explain it to you.
They know they can't win against us with the "autonomous adults considering their right to die"-angle, so they go for the "weak-minded minors getting sucked into suicide"-angle. That's why they keep making up stories about minors using this website and they'll keep riding that boat until it sinks. I'll make a bold statement here: 99.9999999~% of the members in this forum are adults that have the mental capacity to make deeply personal decisions regarding their life and death (- none of your business by the way). But the goal of this exercise, all these articles that came out the last few months, the attempt to go after us politically, is taking away control from adults. That's it. It was never about children, they just don't like that you have control over your own exit. They don't like that we talk freely about sensitive, taboo subjects. This whole article couldn't be further from the truth but congrats to these journalists for - obviously - smearing this website in another bad-faith attempt to make us look bad. Why? Because the idea that the right to die has legitimate reasons to exist as a movement makes them feel uncomfortable. I hope you're proud, attacking a community of suicidal adults and reducing all of us, 17'000 people, to minors. You're erasing very important voices that need to be heard. Thanks for your contribution.

First of all, I was able to access the forum from an Italian proxy server. Make of that what you will.

Now, I don't know. Either these articles are another example of lazy and bad journalism or they're outright malicious. Honestly, I think it's the latter. Like, there are no minors in this forum. That's simply a lie, didn't they do their research? No because if they did they would have known that we ban them on sight, end of discussion. And you know, maybe I'm crazy but shouldn't parents look after their children and, I don't know, do something that's called parenting in almost every modern and civilized country - instead of going after a community that's clearly made for adults? Is that a controversial take? I don't know but why is it our job to take care of their children? It's their job to monitor the activity of their children in the internet, why do they blame us? In all honesty, parents should actually thank us for doing their job for them but(!) you know what? Just because we ban them doesn't mean they'll stop roaming the internet freely. The internet contains plenty of harmful content and the best way to protect your children is to look after them. I know, nobody could have seen that coming, being an actual parent, yikes. I have weird ideas, right?

And I really don't see why we're constantly to blame when we make it very clear from the start that this is a community for autonomous and consenting adults that wants to exercise their most basic human rights. Why is that left out in that article? Why aren't we allowed to do that? Does the idea that people have a right to engage in discussions about their daily existential pain and suffering and exchange information regarding their right to die make you (as journalists) uncomfortable? Maybe you should question your priorities then but whatever you tried to achieve with these articles - one thing is clear, they're garbage. This forum addresses very fundamental question about basic human rights - rights, which by the way are ignored in almost every country on this planet. Relief from pain? How dare you, what a weird concept, am I right? Ask yourself, does creating these bad-faith articles about us help one single individual on this planet? And why didn't you go through some of the threads on this platform and read and learn about the reasons on why people are members of this forum in the first place? You have all the answers here, in thousands of threads. 17'000 members explained to you why they're here. What's causing their pain, their suffering, what's turning their life into a living nightmare, what's driving them to the edge. Why we're here. Why we need the forum. Why some of us consider their right to die. It's all there, yet you chose to ignore it and instead, just smear us, every single person that's a member in this forum. This forum is one of the best resources to actually reduce suicide because it contains thousands of anecdotal stories about their suffering and their reasons why they're considering their right to die - you didn't address this with one single word! You failed. You could have done something positive with all the information that's out there but you chose to do some lazy smear piece instead. As someone who is actually interested in reducing suffering, I'm disgusted. But you don't get.

Their strategy is so obvious and I'm gonna explain it to you.
They know they can't win against us with the "autonomous adults considering their right to die"-angle, so they go for the "weak-minded minors getting sucked into suicide"-angle. That's why they keep making up stories about minors using this website and they'll keep riding that boat until it sinks. I'll make a bold statement here: 99.9999999~% of the members in this forum are adults that have the mental capacity to make deeply personal decisions regarding their life and death (- none of your business by the way). But the goal of this exercise, all these articles that came out the last few months, the attempt to go after us politically, is taking away control from adults. That's it. It was never about children, they just don't like that you have control over your own exit. They don't like that we talk freely about sensitive, taboo subjects. This whole article couldn't be further from the truth but congrats to these journalists for - obviously - smearing this website in another bad-faith attempt to make us look bad. Why? Because the idea that the right to die has legitimate reasons to exist as a movement makes them feel uncomfortable. I hope you're proud, attacking a community of suicidal adults and reducing all of us, 17'000 people, to minors. You're erasing very important voices that need to be heard. Thanks for your contribution.

THANK YOU RainAndSadness

 

[a.h]

I read how in my country it was seen many decades ago that banning suicide methods with destrictions to supply didn't have any effect to suicide rates. There are hundreds of ways with legal items that can't be banned or destricted.
Also banning ways to ctb will make more people to do it with train or car crash.

Also we have no propaganda against euthanasia and suicide pages.

So Italian police will trace 17 000 people's identities even none of them brakes any law.
Or are they trying to save 17000 people around the world after they find out who they are.

Italian Police sure have huge funding and man power.

I read how in my country it was seen many decades ago that banning suicide methods with destrictions to supply didn't have any effect to suicide rates. There are hundreds of ways with legal items that can't be banned or destricted.
Also banning ways to ctb will make more people to do it with train or car crash.

Also we have no propaganda against euthanasia and suicide pages.

So Italian police will trace 17 000 people's identities even none of them brakes any law.
Or are they trying to save 17000 people around the world after they find out who they are.

Italian Police sure have huge funding and man power.

There are thousands of Internet pages and news articles that talk about suicide and suicide methods. They are written for everyone though most of people think they are adult contents and parents can block them from their kids phones. Journalists are the ones spreading suicide info the most. Many articles of deaths and police investigations gives very specific info how to die peacefully.

Same way we can say that journalists are advicing young people how to commit suicide. That's where most of them get their info. In reality journalists are advicing everyone how to commit suicide.

 

[Mentalmick]

In reality journalists are advicing everyone how to commit suicide.

Couldn't agree more. I remember when a teenager murdered another and journalists got a hold of the notion that he done it because he had been playing Grand Theft Auto, so they tried to blame that. Turns out it was the victim who had been playing the game. Obviously they didn't let that fact get in the way of a juicy headline. Rockstar should of sued the shit out of them.

 

[mindcancer]

Salpetre. NaNO3. They couldn't even get it right.

 

[wait.what]

the same 17000 member community website was taken down for hosting anti-semetic content and plans to bomb a NATO building by Italian police.

I refer everyone to my username and icon here (lol). Is this supposed to be us, or some totally different site? Because that most definitely didn't happen here. I mean, I suppose they could have hypothetically hacked into the DM's of some particularly bonkers poster, but that potentiality is everywhere. I post on a fan site devoted to a popular series of big, dumb popcorn films, and there they also sometimes get these cranks who are all "HiTlEr DiD NoThInG WrOnG AaRgLeBaRglEbArGlE!!!"

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

"Investigations continue, including of a technical nature, in order to trace the identity of all those who, for various reasons, are involved in the deadly activity."
they can investigate me. I will send them to the doctors and the molester that caused me to become suicidal. They are in Italy and in nearby countries.
Unluckily for the investigators, the people that are "involved in the deadly activity" are not here. Here there are only the ones that suffered the consequences

 

[loopylou]

Sick of this shit

 

[Alec]

as an Italian I say that Italy is shit: a dead country with no future for young people and with a retrograde Christian mentality of the 19th century.
If many Italians have decided to die it's because this country doesn't give you a way to live in dignity, there are many here to commit suicide because of debts or unemployment.
In Italy there is only good food, everything else sucks.

That's why the countries try to make it so hard for people to get information about suicide. They can't have young people or really any age people killing themselves because they need those people to work dead end jobs while destroying themselves to keep whatever is left of the dying economy afloat. If people will start killing themselves more they will have no one to drain the money from. I think that's why they try to make everything suicide related illegal and trying to make suicidal people feel guilty about being suicidal. If you don't want people to kill themselves then create a better life standard for them, don't take away the suicide information and opportunities.

"Investigations continue, including of a technical nature, in order to trace the identity of all those who, for various reasons, are involved in the deadly activity."
they can investigate me. I will send them to the doctors and the molester that caused me to become suicidal. They are in Italy and in nearby countries.
Unluckily for the investigators, the people that are "involved in the deadly activity" are not here. Here there are only the ones that suffered the consequences

Exactly! Truth!

 

[diyCTB]

Salpetre. NaNO3. They couldn't even get it right.

That's either misinformation or disinformation on a purpose to catch suicidals and "save" them for psychward.

That's why the countries try to make it so hard for people to get information about suicide. They can't have young people or really any age people killing themselves because they need those people to work dead end jobs while destroying themselves to keep whatever is left of the dying economy afloat. If people will start killing themselves more they will have no one to drain the money from. I think that's why they try to make everything suicide related illegal and trying to make suicidal people feel guilty about being suicidal. If you don't want people to kill themselves then create a better life standard for them, don't take away the suicide information and opportunities.

Exactly! Truth!

They also wouldn't like to allocate more resources to handle dead bodies. It's easier to find a way to utilize depressed and suicidals while adhering to agenda of growing civilization until it goes extinct. anyway.

 

[Burned out]

Resistance and making it difficult for people to leave on their terms is morally disgusting, and they are also managing the feat of becoming "enemies of information" by doing what they did. It is not even compatible with what I understand to be anything that isn't evil.