Nembutal

[jokster18]

Does anyone know if this will for sure work I took 50 ml of N and it didn't kill me? Can you drink it or it needs to be IV?

 

[gothbird]

Yes Nembutal may be ingested orally and still result in a fatal outcome, provided the correct dosage is taken under the right conditions. It does not require iv administration to be effective. In most medically assisted protocols, particularly those followed in Switzerland, the drug is consumed orally typically in a bitter solution of around 100ml at a concentration of 100mg/ml, amounting to roughly 10 grams of pentobarbital. If you took 50ml and survived, it is likely the dose was insufficient, or other factors such as vomiting, food intake, metabolic rate, or sedative tolerance interfered with absorption. Nembutal acts as a cns depressant, and in adequate amounts leads to unconsciousness, followed by respiratory arrest. But when the dose is sub lethal, as may be the case here, it can result in prolonged sedation, organ damage, or other complications without achieving the intended effect. It is crucial to stress that survival in such cases is not an indication that the method is ineffective, but rather that the execution was incomplete.

 

[rs929]

Yes Nembutal may be ingested orally and still result in a fatal outcome, provided the correct dosage is taken under the right conditions. It does not require iv administration to be effective. In most medically assisted protocols, particularly those followed in Switzerland, the drug is consumed orally typically in a bitter solution of around 100ml at a concentration of 100mg/ml, amounting to roughly 10 grams of pentobarbital. If you took 50ml and survived, it is likely the dose was insufficient, or other factors such as vomiting, food intake, metabolic rate, or sedative tolerance interfered with absorption. Nembutal acts as a cns depressant, and in adequate amounts leads to unconsciousness, followed by respiratory arrest. But when the dose is sub lethal, as may be the case here, it can result in prolonged sedation, organ damage, or other complications without achieving the intended effect. It is crucial to stress that survival in such cases is not an indication that the method is ineffective, but rather that the execution was incomplete.

I am also afraid because I have 12g of Nembutal but I weight 120 kilos. Is the dosage weight dependent?

 

[Kitsuné_]

It depends on the weight yes. Not an expert but I think a person of 60 kgs would need roughly 8 grams, while a person of 120 would need 14 grams. 10 is probably enough for everybody but...

 

[intr0verse]

And there you go again fear of failure speaks out. According to multiple aid-in-dying guides, 6g of any barbiturate is lethal provided no medical intervention happens. The only mention about the relation between weight and dose i've read is in GHSCD, where the authors suggest increasing the dose by 10% for every 10kg of body weight above 100kg.
Regarding the OP, we don't even know the concentration of his N or, if the report is real to begin with. Right-to-die clinics in Switzerland do use more than 10g not because that amount is not enough but because they want to shorten the time to death so that it won't emotionally impact people who are there to comfort their dear ones...

 

[rs929]

And there you go again fear of failure speaks out. According to multiple aid-in-dying guides, 6g of any barbiturate is lethal provided no medical intervention happens. The only mention about the relation between weight and dose i've read is in GHSCD, where the authors suggest increasing the dose by 10% for every 10kg of body weight above 100kg.
Regarding the OP, we don't even know the concentration of his N or, if the report is real to begin with. Right-to-die clinics in Switzerland do use more than 10g not because that amount is not enough but because they want to shorten the time to death so that it won't emotionally impact people who are there to comfort their dear ones...

Guidelines for animal euthanasia recommend 200mg/kg

Guidelines for Euthanasia

The page describes the standard operating procedures for methods of euthanasia of laboratory animals at Wayne State University

research.wayne.edu

Now I'm not entirely sure how this translates to human beings, but that would be 24g for a 120kg person.
I'm really not a specialist but I don't get why the PPH doesn't address the weight issue. It seems to be clearly relevant

 

[itsgone2]

Guidelines for animal euthanasia recommend 200mg/kg

Guidelines for Euthanasia

The page describes the standard operating procedures for methods of euthanasia of laboratory animals at Wayne State University

research.wayne.edu

Now I'm not entirely sure how this translates to human beings, but that would be 24g for a 120kg person.
I'm really not a specialist but I don't get why the PPH doesn't address the weight issue. It seems to be clearly relevant

I feel like the pph isn't really that helpful. Maybe I'm missing something

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Guidelines for animal euthanasia recommend 200mg/kg

Guidelines for Euthanasia

The page describes the standard operating procedures for methods of euthanasia of laboratory animals at Wayne State University

research.wayne.edu

Now I'm not entirely sure how this translates to human beings, but that would be 24g for a 120kg person.
I'm really not a specialist but I don't get why the PPH doesn't address the weight issue. It seems to be clearly relevant

how old is your N? you think it's still good?

Pentobarbital sodium:
Acute oral toxicity : LD50 (Rat): 118 mg/kg
LD50 (Mouse): 239 mg/kg
LD50 (Rabbit): 175 mg/kg
LD50 (Dog): 65 mg/kg

The LD50 is 65mg/kg for dogs. i assume humans are 50mg/kg because humans are larger.

the relation between LD50 and LD100 is 1.5 to 3 times for most substances .. LD100 = 97 to 195 , roughly 100 mg/kg to 200mg/kg.

but several euthansia data showed 9 or 10 grams all or almost all humans died . and as low as 2 grams was lethal. i would assume some hevier humans died with 9 grams or 10 grams . 120kg would be 12 grams at 100mg/kg. so imo LD100 is lower than 100mg /kg. i would estimate imo LD100 at 80 mg. some other info that almost no one survived 6 grams. so that would be even lower ld50 and ld100 for humans.

2001–2009: A Gallup survey from this decade found that an average of 24% of all Americans reported weighing 200 pounds or more. This broke down by gender to 38% of men and 12% of women.

so assuming 20% for earlier times . 6 grams was enough for even 200 pounds or 90kg.

So, 6 grams for a 200-pound animal is approximately 66.14 mg/kg. which corresponds to my earlier estimate of LD100 of 80 mg / Kg

so 12 grams would be enough imo as that would be 100 mg/kg

this shows 125mg/kg for dogs . that's about 2 times the LD50. and you see in this file the larger the animal the less mg/kg. and i've seen even 1 gram of pentobarbital was lethal to a human

https://assets.hpra.ie/products/Animal/2013/ie-spc-ptv0142001-mr-vpa10987115001-en_25042025164850.pdf

here it says the minumum lethal dose of Pentobarbital is 1 gram. and shows a case where a human 67 kg took around 3.5 grams barbiturates and died.

Frontiers | Case report: Fatal poisoning caused by additive effects of two barbiturates

A case of fatal poisoning involving multiple psychotropic drugs is presented. Quantitative toxicological analysis showed femoral blood concentrations of pent...

www.frontiersin.org

The estimated total doses ingested were thus >0.89 g of pentobarbital and >2.14 g of phenobarbital, based on toxicokinetic estimations. As the minimum lethal doses of pentobarbital and phenobarbital have been reported as 1 and 1.5 g, respectively

 

[JadedBeing]

If you bought the N on the internet you probably got scammed

 

[madameviolette]

I'm actually wondering if nembutal is really that letal for everyone. I have a high tolerance to sedatives. They do nothing for me, they even do the opposites.

There are also people who use it as a recreational substance and they don't seem to die from it ??

 

[locked*n*loaded]

There are also people who use it as a recreational substance and they don't seem to die from it ??

You still know any of these people?

 

[madameviolette]

You still know any of these people?

Nope

 

[intr0verse]

Guidelines for animal euthanasia recommend 200mg/kg

Guidelines for Euthanasia

The page describes the standard operating procedures for methods of euthanasia of laboratory animals at Wayne State University

research.wayne.edu

Now I'm not entirely sure how this translates to human beings, but that would be 24g for a 120kg person.
I'm really not a specialist but I don't get why the PPH doesn't address the weight issue. It seems to be clearly relevant

In that guideline, the dose is only suggested for rodents wich probably have the highest LD50 due to their very fast metabolism.

 

[Ligottian]

I have always heard that Nembutal is very synergetic when taken with alcohol. In other words, the two taken together are much more powerful than when taken separately.

 

[intr0verse]

I have always heard that Nembutal is very synergetic when taken with alcohol. In other words, the two taken together are much more powerful than when taken separately.

That is true. Alcohol is a useful supplement in most OD, but not too much because it may cause vomiting.

 

[orbwithinorb]

I'm actually wondering if nembutal is really that letal for everyone. I have a high tolerance to sedatives. They do nothing for me, they even do the opposites.

There are also people who use it as a recreational substance and they don't seem to die from it ??

Yes, if you take a high enough dose it's lethal for everyone. People who take it recreationally aren't taking lethal doses.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Nope

Does nope mean you never knew any of these people, or they all died from it?

 

[rs929]

What would be the risk of failing the attempt because of too low a dose? Is it just a long sleep and waking up or there could be some kind of lasting damage?

 

[Terrible_Life]

How did y'all get your nembutal? I thought its important to get it.

 

[orbwithinorb]

How did y'all get your nembutal? I thought its important to get it.

The only way people would have it now is if they bought it from D or another source back in the day when it was available or they traveled/live in South America

 

[Chairbed3]

The only way people would have it now is if they bought it from D or another source back in the day when it was available or they traveled/live in South America

Who's D?

 

[orbwithinorb]

Who's D?

Someone from Mexico who used to ship legit N to people. He has since been arrested.

Archived: Mexican National Indicted for Illegally Importing Suicide Drug Into US From Mexico

CHICAGO — A federal grand jury indicted a Mexican resident on drug charges for allegedly illegally importing the drug pentobarbital into the United States from Mexico for use in committing suicide.

www.ice.gov

 

[Chairbed3]

Someone from Mexico who used to ship legit N to people. He has since been arrested.

Archived: Mexican National Indicted for Illegally Importing Suicide Drug Into US From Mexico

CHICAGO — A federal grand jury indicted a Mexican resident on drug charges for allegedly illegally importing the drug pentobarbital into the United States from Mexico for use in committing suicide.

www.ice.gov

I'm just curious. Did he sell it through this site and did he call himself D?

 

[intr0verse]

I'm just curious. Did he sell it through this site and did he call himself D?

No, he sell through his own email address

 

[orbwithinorb]

I'm just curious. Did he sell it through this site and did he call himself D?

I wasn't around when he was still doing this service but I don't believe he was advertising his services on here directly, just popular with members here. I also don't know what he called himself, maybe his email started with D and that's why people referred to him as that.

 

[Talvikki]

I am also afraid because I have 12g of Nembutal but I weight 120 kilos. Is the dosage weight dependent?

According to Dignitas (Switzerland), for a person weighing 120 kg, the lethal dose range is 5.6 g to 7.5 g.

This means 12 g is 1.6 to 2.13 times a lethal dose.

 

[android]

The only way people would have it now is if they bought it from D or another source back in the day when it was available or they traveled/live in South America

Its available in peru
I think?
Its called H brand name.
The manufacturer is M.

Ive been wondering if anyone is trying to get it. Please please PM me! Desperately trying to find a source for SN or N that ships to the US

 

[orbwithinorb]

Its available in peru
I think?
Its called H brand name.
The manufacturer is M.

Ive been wondering if anyone is trying to get it. Please please PM me! Desperately trying to find a source for SN or N that ships to the US

nah no active N sources at the moment. If you're open to SN you should be able to find it much easier. I can't help with that one though as I've never researched it because I don't think it's a peaceful way to go.