N from D tested May 2021

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So i have tested 1 of the bottles i received within the last few weeks and thought i would post results up, i won't bother testing the other bottle as i know it will be legit. the reason i tested it wasn't because i was worried about what it was, but to provide more valid information, rather than people making false accusations with no evidence .So i tested the N by adding 0.5ml to 50ml of water and the results were positive straight away. I sourced the test from a site that specifically deals with drug testing.

I also decided to taste it, now i know it was a small amount and mixed with water but it didn't taste of anything, maybe a slight taste that made my lips tingle if anything. If it was as bad as some people had posted i would expect even a small amount to taste really bad and it didn't.

 

[Smart No More]

That's promising info.

May I ask where is goes to get tests from? Amazon has one that's overkill and takes a lot of liquid and ebay seems hit and miss. I'm still not entirely sold on using urine tests but they're as good as we get it seems like. Do we know if there is another option at all. Besides going with International Energy Control or Exit?

Also, regarding te taste...have you braved tasting a larger undiluted amount yet?


I reckon lidocaine spray would make drinking it much much easier if the taste is too much for some people. Benzocaine throat spray is easily bought online but the lidocaine is seeiminly a DNM thing unless you know a way to get it via the routes that hospitals get it. I don't think it's ilegal exactly, but I could be wrong. Either way, it's very numbing stuff. Doesn't taste great either though. But doesn't make you puke.I suppose the main thing is antiemetics though. Getting it in may be tough but it's the keeping it in that matters then and we have less control over that.

 

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I'm not going to disclose exactly which site , but the tests are available from plenty of drug testing sites and probably ebay etc. i used this one made by a chinese biotechfirm. I also have some strips specifically for testing barbiturates ONLY


You only have to submerge the kit in the substance by about 10mm, and so using the 50ml in a small cup its easy to do.

as for the urine test kits not being reliable(what i used ), they will be exactly the same as what exit kits are like i am sure. the thing is, don't you think its a bit of coincidence you buy a substance thats meant to be a barbiturate and it shows up (straight away) as BAR on the test kit!!!! I also have some strips just for barbiturates only, but haven't used them.

I haven't yet tasted any undiluted, i will do it within the next few days and report my findings. From the way its made out on posts here i would of expected even my small amount diluted to have tasted disgusting.i had a slight tingling on the lips if anything. I did read a thread i think on here describing different methods of masking the taste, can't remember which one though!! i have dramamine as an anti e, as i didn't want to wait for the others to arrive and doubt i could obtain from the doctors

 

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Thanks for the update. Keep us posted.

 

[Smart No More]

I found powdered N from a couple sources on Dark net markets. Obviously very cautious of it but I am very curious too. Has anyone else come across it there and do you have any good info regarding it?

I would much prefer the powder/smaller drink than the 2 bottles of the stuff for pet euthanasia. Holding those bottles in hand, it seems like a decent amount of liquid to drink and hold down. The powder dissolves in like a quarter of that.

 

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I found powdered N from a couple sources on Dark net markets. Obviously very cautious of it but I am very curious too. Has anyone else come across it there and do you have any good info regarding it?

I would much prefer the powder/smaller drink than the 2 bottles of the stuff for pet euthanasia. Holding those bottles in hand, it seems like a decent amount of liquid to drink and hold down. The powder dissolves in like a quarter of that.

The PPH doesn't list any reliable dark net sources. How did you find it? I agree that powder would be easier, but would def need to get it tested.

 

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The PPH doesn't list any reliable dark net sources. How did you find it? I agree that powder would be easier, but would def need to get it tested.

There are two markets where I found it by searching it in the search function.

I don't want to say too much out in the open for various reasons. I'm just curious if anyone has done the same as me and looked any further into it. I would happily have it tested if time and resources were no issue. There isn't anything about in the PPH you are right but in fairness it would take time to confirm the reliability of the source, test it and udate the handbook. Then the source could vanish suddenly and it all be for nothing so part of me thinks it might be one of those things that stays between a tight knit circle for a good while before being shared in the PPH.

Are you experienced with dark net markets?

I'm not really. I've just had a browse. The sellers don't appear to have any negative feedback regarding the N but there are no specifics about it as far as I could see.
They sell 1g (I assume so you can get it tested maybe) and they sell a much larger amount. I think 10 or 20g IIRC.

 

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I found powdered N from a couple sources on Dark net markets. Obviously very cautious of it but I am very curious too. Has anyone else come across it there and do you have any good info regarding it?

I would much prefer the powder/smaller drink than the 2 bottles of the stuff for pet euthanasia. Holding those bottles in hand, it seems like a decent amount of liquid to drink and hold down. The powder dissolves in like a quarter of that.

C used to sell powdered N on the dark net(no longer does as far as i know), but i never saw any other people selling it in that form. there were other sellers of N but they always had no feedback.

if you have 2 bottles it would take 2 or 3 gulps!!! its 100ml per bottle.

 

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C used to sell powdered N on the dark net(no longer does as far as i know), but i never saw any other people selling it in that form. there were other sellers of N but they always had no feedback.

if you have 2 bottles it would take 2 or 3 gulps!!! its 100ml per bottle.

Not everybody has the health to do that.

 

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So i have tested 1 of the bottles i received within the last few weeks and thought i would post results up, i won't bother testing the other bottle as i know it will be legit. the reason i tested it wasn't because i was worried about what it was, but to provide more valid information, rather than people making false accusations with no evidence .So i tested the N by adding 0.5ml to 50ml of water and the results were positive straight away. I sourced the test from a site that specifically deals with drug testing.

I also decided to taste it, now i know it was a small amount and mixed with water but it didn't taste of anything, maybe a slight taste that made my lips tingle if anything. If it was as bad as some people had posted i would expect even a small amount to taste really bad and it didn't.

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Do you have the contact information for D?

 

[Wrennie]

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There are two markets where I found it by searching it in the search function.

I don't want to say too much out in the open for various reasons. I'm just curious if anyone has done the same as me and looked any further into it. I would happily have it tested if time and resources were no issue. There isn't anything about in the PPH you are right but in fairness it would take time to confirm the reliability of the source, test it and udate the handbook. Then the source could vanish suddenly and it all be for nothing so part of me thinks it might be one of those things that stays between a tight knit circle for a good while before being shared in the PPH.

Are you experienced with dark net markets?

I'm not really. I've just had a browse. The sellers don't appear to have any negative feedback regarding the N but there are no specifics about it as far as I could see.
They sell 1g (I assume so you can get it tested maybe) and they sell a much larger amount. I think 10 or 20g IIRC.

Have you been able to find any Seconal powder?

 

[Stefano]

Not everybody has the health to do that.

Can you tell me through pm his email adress and how much you pay for 20gr?Maybe i can check him if he is legit.

 

[Smart No More]

i haven't bought any.

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Have you been able to find any Seconal powder?

I haven't looked. What is seconal powder?

 

[Wrennie]

i haven't bought any.

I haven't looked. What is seconal powder?

Seconal is a barbiturate that can be lethal in higher doses, just like N is. I've heard it's faster acting than N though. It used to come in pill form (used for insomnia or by euthanasia organizations) but no drug company manufactures it anymore. Apparently it's very easy to synthesize, which is why I was curious if anyone had done so.

 

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Can you tell me through pm his email adress and how much you pay for 20gr?Maybe i can check him if he is legit.

I don't have contact info or prices I'm afraid. I'm as blind as everyone else. I was just curious to know if anybody had any more info etc.

 

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Do you have the contact information for D?

Its in the march 2021 pph, in the resources section

Not everybody has the health to do that.

thats true, it is also suggested using a straw otherwise

Can you tell me through pm his email adress and how much you pay for 20gr?Maybe i can check him if he is legit.

I would estimate the cost of 3 bottles which would be 19.5g at about $1400 as 2 bottles is $1000. thats rather alot of N though!!!!

 

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This is a video of someone taking N aswell, its a good account and nice to see the person didn't have to suffer anymore and got to choose when they left this world. i have made a thread of it aswell.

It looks very peaceful, they don't have any problems drinking it, they seem to pass out V quickly(although this could be down to editing)

 

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I just watched Terry Pratchet : Choosing to die on youtube. They show a guy dying at Dignitas. There is some editing but you do see a fair bit. I'm not certain but Ithink they use nembutal. He drinks 2 drinks. I assume the first is an antiemetic. As he falls asleep from the second drink he clearly has some discomfort and is croaking out a request for a drink of water. The Dignitas helper hugs him and stops him leaning over to pick up a glass of water to drink from saying "nooo" quite firmly but with compassion. She seemed to be familiar with the situation so I wonder if it's common occurance. Very shortly after that he is asleep.

In the grand scheme of things it's a peaceful death but I was surprised to see his discomfort before falling asleep. He seemed really thirsty and parched like he's been in the desert for days.

His drink was small. He drank it down fine but did say it tasted bad. He chased it down with two pieces of chocolate. I envy the size of his drink. I have wondered how cold you could chill liquid N to without degrading it. Could it be frozen into swallowable chunks for example. I doubt it. Just a thought I had. Some things are less 'flavoursome' when really chilled though.

 

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I just watched Terry Pratchet : Choosing to die on youtube. They show a guy dying at Dignitas. There is some editing but you do see a fair bit. I'm not certain but Ithink they use nembutal. He drinks 2 drinks. I assume the first is an antiemetic. As he falls asleep from the second drink he clearly has some discomfort and is croaking out a request for a drink of water. The Dignitas helper hugs him and stops him leaning over to pick up a glass of water to drink from saying "nooo" quite firmly but with compassion. She seemed to be familiar with the situation so I wonder if it's common occurance. Very shortly after that he is asleep.

In the grand scheme of things it's a peaceful death but I was surprised to see his discomfort before falling asleep. He seemed really thirsty and parched like he's been in the desert for days.

His drink was small. He drank it down fine but did say it tasted bad. He chased it down with two pieces of chocolate. I envy the size of his drink. I have wondered how cold you could chill liquid N to without degrading it. Could it be frozen into swallowable chunks for example. I doubt it. Just a thought I had. Some things are less 'flavoursome' when really chilled though.

I believe that that was a man named Peter Smedley who died in that video. I hope that he didn't suffer too much, if not at all. I guess if dehydration from the N is the worst side effect then I'd definitely still regard it as a peaceful method. The problem is that it kicks in so quickly that people rarely have time to describe their symptoms before they're 'out cold', which I suppose is ultimately a good thing.

 

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I just watched Terry Pratchet : Choosing to die on youtube. They show a guy dying at Dignitas. There is some editing but you do see a fair bit. I'm not certain but Ithink they use nembutal. He drinks 2 drinks. I assume the first is an antiemetic. As he falls asleep from the second drink he clearly has some discomfort and is croaking out a request for a drink of water. The Dignitas helper hugs him and stops him leaning over to pick up a glass of water to drink from saying "nooo" quite firmly but with compassion. She seemed to be familiar with the situation so I wonder if it's common occurance. Very shortly after that he is asleep.

In the grand scheme of things it's a peaceful death but I was surprised to see his discomfort before falling asleep. He seemed really thirsty and parched like he's been in the desert for days.

His drink was small. He drank it down fine but did say it tasted bad. He chased it down with two pieces of chocolate. I envy the size of his drink. I have wondered how cold you could chill liquid N to without degrading it. Could it be frozen into swallowable chunks for example. I doubt it. Just a thought I had. Some things are less 'flavoursome' when really chilled though.

I don't know why but that reminded me of the scene in Harry Potter where Albus Dumbledore has to drink water that gives him tormenting visions. Like that sense of despair and finality.

 

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So i have now tasted N(a small amount)!!!! I'm not going to say its great tasting, i'm sure people would know i was full of shit lol. It tastes like you would expect to be fair, not the worst thing i've probably tasted, but not like a pornstar martini either!!! kind of bitter, after i had tasted it i had a few sweets and the taste went away( i might use some chocolate afterwards like i have seen in the videos). If little old ladies can do, i'm sure i won't have problem either, a little bad taste to be out of here is a small price to pay!!!!

 

[Smart No More]

So i have now tasted N(a small amount)!!!! I'm not going to say its great tasting, i'm sure people would know i was full of shit lol. It tastes like you would expect to be fair, not the worst thing i've probably tasted, but not like a pornstar martini either!!! kind of bitter, after i had tasted it i had a few sweets and the taste went away( i might use some chocolate afterwards like i have seen in the videos). If little old ladies can do, i'm sure i won't have problem either, a little bad taste to be out of here is a small price to pay!!!!

I totally agree its a small price to pay and it seems like whatever form your nembutal comes in you are going tovhave to endure the bitter taste but what worries me is that, due to our current source being vetinary and 200ml there is a higher chance of vomiting it up. Particularly for those with stomach issues. It will contain extra things like preservatives also. Adding to the lack of palatability of it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts/experience btw. Its appreciated of course!

I just have my personal concerns that play on my mind so I apologise if I come across negative at all. Its not intended!

May I ask how much you tasted and if there were any effects that followed?

A large part of me wants to experience a therapeutic dose but not from the vetinary stuff as that will contain certain additives etc and those things may taint the experience. This again is something that concerns me re the chances of vomiting it up after it takes affect. Are there still any barbiturates available that I could try recreationaly a short time before I go ahead and CTB. I am sonebody that likes to understand things thoroughly. Its a bit of a curse tbh. I do fancy trying a barbiturate for a bit of relief from my symptoms as well as a possible treat to a one off 'high' before I leave for good. I feel I deserve this after the months of extreme suffering I've endured. I've actually discovered some minor relief in benzos recently but am terrified of addiction to them so am no longer partaking in those. Perhaps in a week or so I might indulge myself again but I just know that if I were to use them daily I would end up with another problem and fro. What I read its a problem that is not easy to remedy. Worse than heroin by a long shot and longer duration of withdrawal. I knowbit seems Ironic that a person wanting to CTB would be bothered by this but its not quite that simple.... If benzos provide enough relief to make life even mildy bareable its possible to find yourself coasting in a life that is just about a bright enough shade of grey to take away the strength of your inclination to CTB. Particularly due to its amnesic qualities. However this is no qyality of life at all. Its just a poorly applied bandage over a stab wound. It might slow thw bleeding. You may even partially heal but purely treating the symptoms will always leave damage below the scar tissue and thiw can often be more damaging in the long term. Both metaphoricaly and literally. Unless the source of your issue is treated adn fixed there is little point in treating symptoms. It serves to hide the underlying issue in many cases and leaves lasting issues that more often than not only the sufferer is painfully aware. I may be getting lost on my analogy tangent here but hopefully you get my point. There's only so long I could coast on the mild benefit I get from taking benzos before they become a problem and make my situationneven worse and harder to deal with. Not to mention ruining any slim chances I could have of recovery from what already ales me. That's enough rambling on about that though I think. I do apologies for endulging myself in my analogy there.

Back on topic regarding vetinary N and its contents... I tried looking up what is in the solution but could not find it. I even found the particular brand that D apparently sends but again, no info other than the active substance and thats it. Its a bit worrysome because there are a lot of vetinary N bottles that also contain another active ingredient for potentiation I think. I forget the name of it now but personally I don't eant that included in my N.

Does anybody have any further info on this?

Sorry to semi hijackthe thread here. I hope its pertenant and in everybodies interests to understand and know avout this stuff. :)

 

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I totally agree its a small price to pay and it seems like whatever form your nembutal comes in you are going tovhave to endure the bitter taste but what worries me is that, due to our current source being vetinary and 200ml there is a higher chance of vomiting it up. Particularly for those with stomach issues. It will contain extra things like preservatives also. Adding to the lack of palatability of it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts/experience btw. Its appreciated of course!

I just have my personal concerns that play on my mind so I apologise if I come across negative at all. Its not intended!

May I ask how much you tasted and if there were any effects that followed?

A large part of me wants to experience a therapeutic dose but not from the vetinary stuff as that will contain certain additives etc and those things may taint the experience. This again is something that concerns me re the chances of vomiting it up after it takes affect. Are there still any barbiturates available that I could try recreationaly a short time before I go ahead and CTB. I am sonebody that likes to understand things thoroughly. Its a bit of a curse tbh. I do fancy trying a barbiturate for a bit of relief from my symptoms as well as a possible treat to a one off 'high' before I leave for good. I feel I deserve this after the months of extreme suffering I've endured. I've actually discovered some minor relief in benzos recently but am terrified of addiction to them so am no longer partaking in those. Perhaps in a week or so I might indulge myself again but I just know that if I were to use them daily I would end up with another problem and fro. What I read its a problem that is not easy to remedy. Worse than heroin by a long shot and longer duration of withdrawal. I knowbit seems Ironic that a person wanting to CTB would be bothered by this but its not quite that simple.... If benzos provide enough relief to make life even mildy bareable its possible to find yourself coasting in a life that is just about a bright enough shade of grey to take away the strength of your inclination to CTB. Particularly due to its amnesic qualities. However this is no qyality of life at all. Its just a poorly applied bandage over a stab wound. It might slow thw bleeding. You may even partially heal but purely treating the symptoms will always leave damage below the scar tissue and thiw can often be more damaging in the long term. Both metaphoricaly and literally. Unless the source of your issue is treated adn fixed there is little point in treating symptoms. It serves to hide the underlying issue in many cases and leaves lasting issues that more often than not only the sufferer is painfully aware. I may be getting lost on my analogy tangent here but hopefully you get my point. There's only so long I could coast on the mild benefit I get from taking benzos before they become a problem and make my situationneven worse and harder to deal with. Not to mention ruining any slim chances I could have of recovery from what already ales me. That's enough rambling on about that though I think. I do apologies for endulging myself in my analogy there.

Back on topic regarding vetinary N and its contents... I tried looking up what is in the solution but could not find it. I even found the particular brand that D apparently sends but again, no info other than the active substance and thats it. Its a bit worrysome because there are a lot of vetinary N bottles that also contain another active ingredient for potentiation I think. I forget the name of it now but personally I don't eant that included in my N.

Does anybody have any further info on this?

Sorry to semi hijackthe thread here. I hope its pertenant and in everybodies interests to understand and know avout this stuff. :)

I used a small amount. the reason being is i only needed to a little bit to get a gauge of what it tastes like. I wasn't tasting it because i wanted to get 'high' as i haven't purchased it for that.

as for the ingredients,i'm not really bothered myself. Its the N that i want that will provide a safe, fast, reliable and peaceful method of CTB, plenty of poof of this available for anyone to read if they want to. the PPH are an organization that have dealt with 100's, probably 1000 of cases of people taking nembutal, 1st hand experience aswell. they recommend this stuff as a method and have full information available to any who wants to read that information. people with lots of different circumstances/ situtaions aswell.

can i ask how many people you have seen take N? how much experience 1st hand experience you have of this method? I mean you question stuff but the can't even remember the name of stuff, thats not really reliable and helpful is it. I could just read the PPH and see reliable information and follow that. it would make sense i'm sure to alot of people!!!!

sorry to be so blunt, but if you dont know what your talking about it isn't much use at all to me or anyone else. I have N and have provided a proof of a positive test(picture), i have explained the taste to people (exactly like has been mentioned from other sources). its stuff that can be proven and useful to others. unfounded claims are, well just that unfounded and useless.

Anyone who has read the PPH knows that it doesn't recommend methods that require drinking or taking a tablet etc for people with stomach issues, and that they should look at other methods. so if thats you then you should probably follow the advice of people with experience of the matter.

 

[Smart No More]

I used a small amount. the reason being is i only needed to a little bit to get a gauge of what it tastes like. I wasn't tasting it because i wanted to get 'high' as i haven't purchased it for that.

as for the ingredients,i'm not really bothered myself. Its the N that i want that will provide a safe, fast, reliable and peaceful method of CTB, plenty of poof of this available for anyone to read if they want to. the PPH are an organization that have dealt with 100's, probably 1000 of cases of people taking nembutal, 1st hand experience aswell. they recommend this stuff as a method and have full information available to any who wants to read that information. people with lots of different circumstances/ situtaions aswell.

can i ask how many people you have seen take N? how much experience 1st hand experience you have of this method? I mean you question stuff but the can't even remember the name of stuff, thats not really reliable and helpful is it. I could just read the PPH and see reliable information and follow that. it would make sense i'm sure to alot of people!!!!

sorry to be so blunt, but if you dont know what your talking about it isn't much use at all to me or anyone else. I have N and have provided a proof of a positive test(picture), i have explained the taste to people (exactly like has been mentioned from other sources). its stuff that can be proven and useful to others. unfounded claims are, well just that unfounded and useless.

Anyone who has read the PPH knows that it doesn't recommend methods that require drinking or taking a tablet etc for people with stomach issues, and that they should look at other methods. so if thats you then you should probably follow the advice of people with experience of the matter.

Well it appears you've totally misread/misunderstood me. In fact I thanked you for sharing your thoughts so I'm not sure whats got under your skin here. I think maybe the fact I quoted your post. FWIW, my questions and my post are aimed at everyone not only yourself. I just used your post as a spring board as you had mentioned recent experience and I was interested to know if it had any noticably effect other than being a taste test. However my questions are aimed at all readers/members of the forum. Also my mentions of my concerns are just that.... my personal concerns based around my personal circumstances. I am not trying to influence anybody in any direction. I'm not challenging anyone. I'm simply speaking openly and honestly about my fears and concerns and asking for advice and info in a way I assumed the forum was here for us to do. fair enough, I may have droned on a bit. I was in a reflective mood and don't often find myself able to put much effort into sharing/conversation lately so when the ability arises I may somewhat excitedly have over indulged myself a little in the moment.

With regards to getting high. I don't want that either. Though I can't deny that I might enjoy the brief relief it may potentially bring from my symptoms. As I referred to in my previous post. But more importantly I guess I would just feel personally reassured in my understanding of the way it feels if I was able to experience a one off recreational dose or hear what somebody else made of it. It might help with overcoming SI when the time comes. We all have our different ways of handling things and I thought it went without saying that there is no judgement here.

Tbh I don't have the inclination or strength to get into an argument over it so I'll just say for the sake of clarity I don't doubt the efficacy of N. I'm certain it works. Not sure what gives you that impression I thought otherwise. I'm just asking questions in order to gain a better understanding surrounding my own personal circumstances. I was acting on the assumption that was ok. The done thing even.

Secondly I've made no unfounded claims. And as for forgetting the names of things I would hope that could be forgiven. Particularly as I've mentioned my diminished memory and congnitive skills as a result of my condition. However even with that aside, we all forget things right? It happens. I guess I was hoping somebody would pick up on what I'm refering to and put my mind at ease that it isn't in this particular brand thats available. Its a potentiating element as added far as I remember but again, my memory fails me. If I can find it I'll update with more specific details. I was hoping somebody with a better mind than mind would have an answer. I'm certainly not indicating that it makes it any less effective. I just have personal preferences and as previously mentioned, I'm keen to understand things. For example I read here on the forum just today that there is ethyl alchohol and ethyl glycol added at 10% to some vetinary nembutal. Whilst a search today has also shown me that there is other vetinary nembutal that is more 'natural' and contains only water and alchohol. No preservatives at all otherwise. Its just ph'd to around 9.5 using hydrochloric acid and/or sodium hydroxide. (which in itself is useful as maybe adjusting the ph to suit our stomachs might mak it much less likely to be vomited up, right?) All things I find interesting and relevant to my personal preferences and possibly to others.

(EDIT: the thing I was refering to but couldn't remember was phenytoin sodium. It happens to be in a few brands of vetinary pentobarbital. I'm not going to provide links because a simple google will prove it either way. I will say that, as far as I know the brand provided by 'D' does not contain phenytoin sodium. Its active ingredient is only the pentobarbital however I would love to know what additives/preservatives are used in it for my own reasons. I have tried to find out but struggled becuase the box images only show the front picture and the only info I've been able to find by the brand he sends is in a different language. None of the traanslation apps did a decent enough job in translating the sites info either. Well that or I was just too cognitivly inhibbited to work it out properly. So if anyone can help me work out exactly what's in our particular bottles of N that would be hugely appreciated. :)



I'm litterally just asking questions in the hope of finding answers on my quest to full understanding. Nothing more. In fact I have to say I'm entirely surprised and a bit offended to have to be defending myself for doing so. This will be the only time I do it. I am not influencing anybody. Nore do I wish or intend to do so. I figure we are all in this together and should be able to speak and converse openly and freely. My apologies if my posts aren't useful enough to you.

 

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(EDIT: the thing I was refering to but couldn't remember was phenytoin sodium. It happens to be in a few brands of vetinary pentobarbital. I'm not going to provide links because a simple google will prove it either way. I will say that, as far as I know the brand provided by 'D' does not contain phenytoin sodium. Its active ingredient is only the pentobarbital however I would love to know what additives/preservatives are used in it for my own reasons. I have tried to find out but struggled becuase the box images only show the front picture and the only info I've been able to find by the brand he sends is in a different language. None of the traanslation apps did a decent enough job in translating the sites info either. Well that or I was just too cognitivly inhibbited to work it out properly. So if anyone can help me work out exactly what's in our particular bottles of N that would be hugely appreciated. :)

If its not in the N sold by D what are you going on about it for? Now let me wonder why someone might bring up something that is totally irrelevant??? what an absolute pointless thing. Its like me saying pro-lifers should have took care of their loved ones and relatives, ansd maybe they wouldn't have CTB. then they think they can 'save' other people when they can't even save people there meant to love. Its a totally pointless and irrelevant thing to point out but i thought seen as were just bringing random irrelevant subjects i would throw it in the mix lmfao.

If you have' diminished memory and congnitive skills' your not exactly the best source or reliable information are you ??? I personally would rather someone with a good memory and reliable knowledge of the facts give me information. but thanks for the information, i'm sure it can't have been easy if you struggle memorizing stuff. what i would advise is for people maybe read the PPH and make the decisions for themselves on theses things, there a perfect source for information. they have been involved in this stuff for many years.

realistically people should look to the experts in the matter rather than listening to ME or YOU, as we have 0 experience in the matter(although i do actually have some knowledge in the subject as i have actually purchased N and have tested it questions, so i suppose i can give out some useful information rather than just post random statements!!!), whereas they have many years of it, with no problems ever arising. you can't question the experts and to do so is well laughable, if we have 0 experience how on earth can you question something someone that does says??? the answer is simple...you can't.

people can scaremonger, question, give their opinion. the fact of the matter is euthanasia clinics use N, exit international have years and years of experience, all real information is available for all to read in the PPH. Anyone who questions it well they are doing that with no knowledge, people can post what they think, questions they have, but at the end of the day where do you go when you want help?? TO AN EXPERT who has knowledge of this subject on a grand scale. anything you, me or anyone says on the subject is irrelevant, the proofs in the pudding as they say. lots of people have taken N and CTB following the information in the PPH, lots of people will continue to CTB following the instructions, and it will continue to happen.

at the end of the day people should do proper research and read the PPH and then decide what they want, and not be influenced by what others say. I know thats what i did, i thought right people say this and that lets check it out, i read the PPH. then I ordered N, i used moneygram because it was easier than crypto currency, i got my stuff in a few days and i tested it and it all legit. I didn't need anyone else's input , just went ahead and did it and it worked out exactly as i expected, nothing like alot of posts about there being problems. i'm not alone in having the same experience either. I thinks there 's alot more going for people posting positive posts about it than negative, what reason would you have to post a positive comment? well unless you a serial killer only because you want people to know the truth. posting negative comment? where do i start scaremonger, stop people ordering, false information.............. the list goes on and on. best just to stick with what the experts say though IMO its tried and tested stuff

 

[Smart No More]

The fact of the matter is, I don't know if it is or isn't in thebbrand we have from D. As far as I know it isn't but I was hoping somebody would have more info on the ingredients in the one from D as I couldn't find the complete ingredients list anywhere. I asked because I don't know. I will not defend myself for being inquisitive or asking questions.

This is ridiculous.

 

[checkouttime]

The fact of the matter is, I don't know if it is or isn't in thebbrand we have from D. As far as I know it isn't but I was hoping somebody would have more info on the ingredients in the one from D as I couldn't find the complete ingredients list anywhere. I asked because I don't know. I will not defend myself for being inquisitive or asking questions.

This is ridiculous.

make your mind up, in your last post you said as far as you know its not in D's product, now your saying you don't know. your not exactly a shining light of good information are you, there's more holes in your story than swiss cheese. this is the problem with people like you, you like to think your clever and spout of all sorts of stuff, but when you start getting questioned you slip up, as you really are crap at lying!!!!! I don't have to lie and make stuff up, so anything i say can be proven and doesn't vary from post to post.

When people talk about stuff they usually can back up what there saying, because they know what they are talking about. you on the other hand try to talk about something, and you don't even know what your talking about. but thanks for that, as i'm sure people now know, its not wise to listen what you are saying. If i was you i would research stuff, as there are alot of people who DO actually know what they are talking about.

 

[Smart No More]

As far as I know it is not. However I don't know for certain. Therefore I asked the question.... does anybody have any better/more detailed info on the full list of ingredients as my research has come up short. I asked a question. I made no claims. Just shared my personal concerns foe context. I have nothing to prove here.

I dont claim to know shit. I haven't made any claims and I haven't contradicted myswld. I know nothing. Pay attwntion to my use of the english laguage.... "as far as I know" means I am incertain and have nothing to indicate the prescence of any particular ingredient. Therefore I of course don't know. I'm not making contradicting claims. I am simply looking for answers. Hense asking questions.

It appears from what you're saying (not just to me) that members should never ask questions but should do research of their own and then post it here with citations. This isn't wikipedia FFS. Its a forum and its multifaceted in its services and resources. If you dont like what you read move on. Not everything on the forum will be to your tastes. Yoy can claim to be on a one man ceusade all you like but in this case you are barking up thw wrong tree. I am nor misinformong anyone. I'm not informing anybody false stop. I'm asling questions looking for onfo.

This is ths last time I'll reply to your trolling.

Bye.

 

[checkouttime]

As far as I know it is not. However I don't know for certain. Therefore I asked the question.... does anybody have any better/more detailed info on the full list of ingresients as my research has come up short. I asked a question. I made no claims. Just shared my personal concerns foe context. I have nothing to prove here.

I dont claim to know shit. I haven't made any claims and I haven't contradicted myswld. I know nothing. Pay attwntion to my use of the english laguage.... "as far as I know" means I am incertain and have nothing to indicate the prescence of any particular ingredient. Therefore I of course don't know. I'm not making contradicting claims. I am simply looking for answers. Hense asking questions.

This is ths last time I'll reply to your trolling.

Bye.

i could tell you whats in it, its on the label. but i won't bother

trolling LMAO awwww you poor little victim you, I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies and false information.

fact of the matter is I do know about stuff, like i know my N is real and have posted proof. its useful information that people can use, much more effective than speculating on what is and is or is not in a substance. SPECULATION is exactly that, it has no basis or truth to back it up. providing cold hard facts are what people want to REALLY know. I'm sure they can figure that stuff out themselves

 

[The Lonely]

As far as I know it is not. However I don't know for certain. Therefore I asked the question.... does anybody have any better/more detailed info on the full list of ingredients as my research has come up short. I asked a question. I made no claims. Just shared my personal concerns foe context. I have nothing to prove here.

I dont claim to know shit. I haven't made any claims and I haven't contradicted myswld. I know nothing. Pay attwntion to my use of the english laguage.... "as far as I know" means I am incertain and have nothing to indicate the prescence of any particular ingredient. Therefore I of course don't know. I'm not making contradicting claims. I am simply looking for answers. Hense asking questions.

It appears from what you're saying (not just to me) that members should never ask questions but should do research of their own and then post it here with citations. This isn't wikipedia FFS. Its a forum and its multifaceted in its services and resources. If you dont like what you read move on. Not everything on the forum will be to your tastes. Yoy can claim to be on a one man ceusade all you like but in this case you are barking up thw wrong tree. I am nor misinformong anyone. I'm not informing anybody false stop. I'm asling questions looking for onfo.

This is ths last time I'll reply to your trolling.

Bye.

I'm sorry for you..
I don't like to see how people are being attacked only because they are questioning things…

I already told that it's not interesting to the community, to have people intimidated every time they speculate anything related to N ….
This will make people who question or bring other facts leave the community and then this will be a Cult.

I'm Sorry about you :(