N and the police

[Elek]

You can use N as a purging gas for beer brewing. So it's very unlikely to even be looked into.
Even if it is just say you're using it for brewing purposes or paint preservation.

I think he is talking about NaP and not Nitrongen

 

[Terminated]

I think he is talking about NaP and not Nitrongen

I'm talking about nitrogen. https://maxdogbrewing.com/
I may have been thinking about Argon when I mentioned paint preservation though, sorry for any misinformation.

You should all read the Peaceful Handbook.

 

[Chinaski]

Can you provide a link as evidence of that ever happening? Without the charge of possession, the only evidence the police would have in the scenario the OP describes is an illegally obtained electronic trail.

For N? Probably never has happened. Your google search engine is as good as mine, have a look.

What I'm saying is to meet the evidence criteria for importation of anything illegal, you don't need to have the questionable item in your possession. I was answering your question with regard to how criminal law works, l was not asserting that this is a common occurence with N.

 

[Deleted member 4993]

Retired professor 'killed herself' days after police raid in search of imported drugs - The Telegraph
21 Apr 2016 · An eminent professor is thought to have taken her own life just days after police raided her ... emeritus professor of English Medieval Culture at the University of Exeter, was found dead at her ...

 

[Deleted member 4993]

Professor finally manages to end her life - Exit International
she sought to import he best euthanasia drug Nembutal from Mexico. Her purchase was intercepted by Manchester Interpol and on Saturday night Exeter police were sent around to check on her "well-being". Professor ...

 

[2 be or not]

They could still meet the evidence test for a charge of importation, you don't need to be in possession of it for that to be the case.

Can you explain the specifics of the 'evidence test' you are referring to? Would the police, in the OP scenario, be acting under law in order to obtain the alleged evidence?

 

[JustAboutDone]

Professor finally manages to end her life - Exit International
she sought to import he best euthanasia drug Nembutal from Mexico. Her purchase was intercepted by Manchester Interpol and on Saturday night Exeter police were sent around to check on her "well-being". Professor ...

Thank you @Passingby for finding that, I had forgotten about that poor lady. I admire her so much for keeping calm and following through with her intended plans in the most trying of circumstances. And for finding an excellent hiding place for her N. It was hugely unnecessary to break down her door, fgs, a little discretion was definitely in order. RIP

 

[Chinaski]

Can you explain the specifics of the 'evidence test' you are referring to? Would the police, in the OP scenario, be acting under law in order to obtain the alleged evidence?

Well yes, in the same way as if they suspect someone of drug dealing they can easily obtain authority to raid the suspects' premises and obtain their electronic devices in pursuit of further evidence. Importation is the same. They find evidence of something suspect going through customs and are authorised to find a link between purchaser and seller.

Please bear in mind you're asking broadly about LE in general here, and I'm replying as such; answers about the risk specifically with regard to N have been accurately answered already.

 

[TAW122]

@WayOut I guess what I'm saying is that, depending on the circumstances, a psychward could be "worse" than being in prison. Then again, there are too many variables to give an absolute answer, such as the condition of the hospital, the amenities, and for prison, depending on one's cellmate and which kind of prison (maximum security, medium security, etc.). Anyways, I agree with you that it is ridiculous that one could be jailed for importing N and personally I think people who do it should not be persecuted nor prosecuted (unless it is proven that they have mal-intent or intentions to harm others with it).

There are worse places to be and worse situations to be in than spending a relatively short time under observation in a psych ward. I know it goes against your "suicidal people are persecuted" argument to admit this, but l dare say most people would prefer a fortnight in an NHS hospital to spending months or years sharing an 8x6 cell with Big Mick McBastard, in an environment awash with drugs and wanton violence under the care of the wonderful and dedicated prison service employees, avoiding a round-the-clock fist-fucking in the communal showers whilst looking forward to your monthly, hour-long visit from a loved one, but each to their own l guess.

Fair enough and I can understand where you coming from. I suppose both outcomes equally suck, especially for people with Aspergers and aren't socially and street smart. Thus, I often keep to the law and avoid running afoul of the law as well as keeping my ctb intentions hidden from everyone IRL.

 

[WayOut]

Importation is the same. They find evidence of something suspect going through customs and are authorised to find a link between purchaser and seller.

It's so unlikely statistically that people here shouldn't be panicked by it. The importations are single use drugs for suicidal people.

This bothers me because on the Exit forum, after the taste, fear of prosecution if caught was the single most feared thing. People were panicked by this. Absolutely terrified. That was so sad to see happening.

Actually, I should correct myself there. It did happen to Suzy Austin in the UK. Listen to PN and you'll think she was targeted by the police simply because she was an Exit member. The reality? She was caught in her car with another person, and she was literally divvying up the N powder she had to sell it it to the person. She was dobbed in by a member of her own Exit group because her behavior was so appalling. The prosecution couldn't make the charge stick, even in this extreme case, so she only got done with importation. She should have been done for major stupidity imo.

There were another two prosecutions in Australia years ago. They happened when PN was in the news. Full court process, but no convictions.

If you know of any instance when someone was successfully prosecuted, apart from Austen, then say so. A, and J before him, have supplied thousands of orders over the years.

 

[intr0naut]

Just a small correction: Suzy Austen case was in NZ not UK.

 

[Johnnythefox]

N is a class b in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/penalties-drug-possession-dealing

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...trolled-under-the-misuse-of-drugs-legislation

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_2120000/newsid_2120400/2120454.stm

 

[Chinaski]

N is a class b in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/penalties-drug-possession-dealing

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...trolled-under-the-misuse-of-drugs-legislation

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_2120000/newsid_2120400/2120454.stm

Any class B drug in injectable form is considered class A in the UK. N is class B in powder form, class A in veterinary form.

 

[bigj75]

You aren't supposed to say anything to the police in general. Absolutely nothing.

 

[2 be or not]

They could still meet the evidence test for a charge of importation, you don't need to be in possession of it for that to be the case.

That would be rather thin "evidence" given the OP scenario of not being in possession. Why would the police raid your house to find N when customs confiscated it at the border? Please respond with real life examples, not theoretical examples. Thank you

 

[Chinaski]

That would be rather thin "evidence" given the OP scenario of not being in possession. Why would the police raid your house to find N when customs confiscated it at the border? Please respond with real life examples, not theoretical examples. Thank you

For the last time...

You asked about how the police investigate drug importation. I answered, with clarity. Please use google and find whatever you want, it's a piece of piss. Thank you.

 

[goesforemast]

About N and the police... what do you think would happen when you successfully CTB with N without any signs about suicide like a death note? Would they do a post-mortem?
I am 24 so normally I should not die just like that in my sleep.

 

[ReadyasEver]

There's a chance that they will do an autopsy and toxicology screen. In our state, not always.

 

[ReadyasEver]

For the last time...

You asked about how the police investigate drug importation. I answered, with clarity. Please use google and find whatever you want, it's a piece of piss. Thank you.

LOL. In the US, Customs will do the seizure if they catch it which is remotely low but still a small risk. If they do move it along, it goes through federal authorities, most likely the DEA or FBI. Locals do not get involved unless they execute a warrant given to them which is really small. They have so many other big fish they are working.

 

[Elek]

About N and the police... what do you think would happen when you successfully CTB with N without any signs about suicide like a death note? Would they do a post-mortem?
I am 24 so normally I should not die just like that in my sleep.

I think the cup near you might raise suspicion, but anyway why should you worry about that?

 

[NotWhatIExpected]

Here in Europe you can get a sentence of 80000 euro or 4 years in jail.
It is classified narcotics like heroine .
So they can arrest you for sure

That blows

It might be very much in keeping with the sentiment of this forum as a whole to describe a psych ward as hell on earth but a short stay in a psych ward is definitely preferable to several years in jail and a lifelong criminal record for drug importation, which is what you'd be prosecuted under should the evidence meet the standard.

Obviously this is a very big "if", but if anyone is arrested for N then any good lawyer will seek to mitigate on the grounds that it was a relatively small amount ordered for personal use during a fit of depression. If you're a chronic pain patient this will also be thrown in. The PPH will probably be cited in order to evidence lack of sophistication. Any lawyer seeking to avoid a custodial sentence will present the case accurately as pathetic and pitiable, rather than serious and organised. The consequences of this would involve a mental health evaluation and possibly a short term in a psych ward, but this is by far the better option.

Tl:dr, don't ever talk to the police without a solicitor, but be 100% open and honest with that solicitor.

The psych ward sucks in many ways as a concept and doesn't actually help imo, and for me in all likelihood might help lead to jail or homelessness, but yeah from what I've seen jail looks way worse, I would never want to go to prison