Method my SN method

[Red]

Looking like there's not going to be much option but to ctb soon.
Method planned out:

Spoiler

Going to book a hotel and do it there so I'm not found by any family members. I'll lock myself in the bathroom and leave a note on the door saying something like;
"I'm dead and do NOT want to be saved. Please do not enter; just call the police"
or something.
I'm going to do one dayof meto, increasing the dosage (going to do a trial run of higher dosages 20mg and then 30mg to see how I tolerate) each time, to acclimatise my body to the meds and to make sure I not only keep the SN down but the additional meds too. Any more than that and I think it just increases the chances of it messing with you? Anyway...
My schedule is as follows:
02:00: 10mg meto
10:00: 20mg meto
16:30: Tramadol (maybe 200mg? Any more than that n I usually puke)
*peak concentration for this seems to be at about 3-4hrs in my body - have to take this for usual pain and is luckily facilitated better by meto!*
17:00: Paracetamol (to treat headache)
*peak concentration 1-3hrs - aiming for middle*
18:00: 30mg meto
*peak concentration 1-2hrs*
18:30: 600mg diphenhydramine for sleepiness/possible EDS symptoms
*peak concentration around 1hr*
19:15: milk of magnesia
19:30: big swig of oramorph to coat/numb the way down, SN, another swig of oramorph chaser

BOSH.
Any thoughts?

 

[ceelo]

seems drawn out and ott imo but i dunno, i was just gonna bung down domperidone which i have anyway for motility disorder, proponalol then SN, why do you need all that other shit for?

 

[Red]

Need tramadol anyway, m not having any body pain in addition to the method lol
The rest of the reasoning for other meds is up there...
People's descriptions of SN indicate various discomforts at several points, I'm just trying to counteract them.
Plus I think a good run up is a good idea to make sure the choice is considered and not based on rash impulse.

 

[ceelo]

Need tramadol anyway, m not having any body pain in addition to the method lol
The rest of the reasoning for other meds is up there...
People's descriptions of SN indicate various discomforts at several points, I'm just trying to counteract them.
Plus I think a good run up is a good idea to make sure the choice is considered and not based on rash impulse.

which descriptions though? most ive seen have been idiots ignoring protocol and failing for various and obvious reasons

 

[Red]

The verified ones mostly, and the one that was videoed. Sounded like she might have been in pain at the end (I think ibuprofen was prolly a mistake)... pretty set on this method as I've researched it heavily. Each drug has been chosen for specific reasons.
Got some time to tweak it, just want it to be as comfortable as possible as I've had enough pain cheers lol

 

[Kumachan]

tramadol makes you nauseous, great painkiller tho

 

[ceelo]

where can i find the video'd sn death?

 

[ghostgirl1995]

Sorry if this is completely random! But when you guys ordered SN did it come to your door in like wrapping? Or just straight up saying what it is. I ordered mine "as a gift" but I'm nervous for it to get taken from me :(

 

[BeeLoyal]

Need tramadol anyway, m not having any body pain in addition to the method lol
The rest of the reasoning for other meds is up there...
People's descriptions of SN indicate various discomforts at several points, I'm just trying to counteract them.
Plus I think a good run up is a good idea to make sure the choice is considered and not based on rash impulse.

In the Wiki and or Stans guide he says that its the best and safest to keep it as simple as possible - Meto, Painkiller, SN. Done. Everything else is just adding risks to vomitting, a fast heartrate isnt painful or anything.

Looking like there's not going to be much option but to ctb soon.
Method planned out:

Spoiler

Going to book a hotel and do it there so I'm not found by any family members. I'll lock myself in the bathroom and leave a note on the door saying something like;
"I'm dead and do NOT want to be saved. Please do not enter; just call the police"
or something.
I'm going to do one dayof meto, increasing the dosage (going to do a trial run of higher dosages 20mg and then 30mg to see how I tolerate) each time, to acclimatise my body to the meds and to make sure I not only keep the SN down but the additional meds too. Any more than that and I think it just increases the chances of it messing with you? Anyway...
My schedule is as follows:
02:00: 10mg meto
10:00: 20mg meto
16:30: Tramadol (maybe 200mg? Any more than that n I usually puke)
*peak concentration for this seems to be at about 3-4hrs in my body - have to take this for usual pain and is luckily facilitated better by meto!*
17:00: Paracetamol (to treat headache)
*peak concentration 1-3hrs - aiming for middle*
18:00: 30mg meto
*peak concentration 1-2hrs*
18:30: 600mg diphenhydramine for sleepiness/possible EDS symptoms
*peak concentration around 1hr*
19:15: milk of magnesia
19:30: big swig of oramorph to coat/numb the way down, SN, another swig of oramorph chaser

BOSH.
Any thoughts?

hey what is oramorph and milk of magnesia?

 

[Living sucks]

where can i find the video'd sn death?

It wasn't video's .. they were on video chat together and the account was documented
It's here. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/first-ever-sn-documentation.29734/

 

[BeeLoyal]

Sorry if this is completely random! But when you guys ordered SN did it come to your door in like wrapping? Or just straight up saying what it is. I ordered mine "as a gift" but I'm nervous for it to get taken from me :(

Depends on where u buy it from, mine came in normal packaging left in my mailbox in front of my house. Inside 2 clear(see through) bags, in the inner bag is the SN.

 

[Red]

In the Wiki and or Stans guide he says that its the best and safest to keep it as simple as possible - Meto, Painkiller, SN. Done. Everything else is just adding risks to vomitting, a fast heartrate isnt painful or anything.

hey what is oramorph and milk of magnesia?

Milk of magnesia is for faster absorption of SN, an antacid I think.
Wanna be calm/sedated as I take it as I think I could get quite anxious n mess myself up - no benzos available - plus diphenhydramine can counteract side effects from high dose meto that might be distressing.
Nothing in there for heart rate.
Oramorph is liquid morphine

 

[Soul]

... I thought milk of magnesia was one of those meds that coats the stomach and can interfere with the absorption of other meds. Please doublecheck that one ... and I apologise in advance if I've got it confused with something else.

 

[Living sucks]

Why the oramorph? I heard morphine can slow the process, making it take longer to ctb?

 

[BeeLoyal]

Milk of magnesia is for faster absorption of SN, an antacid I think.
Wanna be calm/sedated as I take it as I think I could get quite anxious n mess myself up - no benzos available - plus diphenhydramine can counteract side effects from high dose meto that might be distressing.
Nothing in there for heart rate.
Oramorph is liquid morphine

You can get your hands on liquid morphine but not benzos? Maybe you can get benzos easier than you think, if you want a tip you can pm me you dont have to :)
Wish you the best for the future.

 

[Suez]

tramadol makes you nauseous, great painkiller tho

Tramadol doesnt makes everyone nauseous, but it sounds like OP is used to taking Tramadol anyway and knows what their doing with it, perhaps already taking it for pain?

... I thought milk of magnesia was one of those meds that coats the stomach and can interfere with the absorption of other meds. Please doublecheck that one ... and I apologise in advance if I've got it confused with something else.

That is true, Milk of magnesia works by drawing water from the tissue around the bowel into the gut to "flush" the contents out. Because of the way it impacts the liquids in the gut, milk of magnesia can stop tablets from being absorbed properly. However OP says he has done alot of research on each of these medications so Im sure he has factored this into his method? It may not interefer with the SN (as it is in powder form), but I wonder if it interferes with the Meto, Tramadol etc? Op have you had a look at this? Maybe nothing in it?

Looking like there's not going to be much option but to ctb soon.
Method planned out:

Spoiler

Going to book a hotel and do it there so I'm not found by any family members. I'll lock myself in the bathroom and leave a note on the door saying something like;
"I'm dead and do NOT want to be saved. Please do not enter; just call the police"
or something.
I'm going to do one dayof meto, increasing the dosage (going to do a trial run of higher dosages 20mg and then 30mg to see how I tolerate) each time, to acclimatise my body to the meds and to make sure I not only keep the SN down but the additional meds too. Any more than that and I think it just increases the chances of it messing with you? Anyway...
My schedule is as follows:
02:00: 10mg meto
10:00: 20mg meto
16:30: Tramadol (maybe 200mg? Any more than that n I usually puke)
*peak concentration for this seems to be at about 3-4hrs in my body - have to take this for usual pain and is luckily facilitated better by meto!*
17:00: Paracetamol (to treat headache)
*peak concentration 1-3hrs - aiming for middle*
18:00: 30mg meto
*peak concentration 1-2hrs*
18:30: 600mg diphenhydramine for sleepiness/possible EDS symptoms
*peak concentration around 1hr*
19:15: milk of magnesia
19:30: big swig of oramorph to coat/numb the way down, SN, another swig of oramorph chaser

BOSH.
Any thoughts?

Hi Red, I think youve put a lot of thought into your method. Have you looked at any possible issues with absorption? Re my post to @Soul. I said Milk of magnesia works by drawing water from the tissue around the bowel into the gut to "flush" the contents out. Because of the way it impacts the liquids in the gut, milk of magnesia can stop tablets from being absorbed properly. However OP says he has done alot of research on each of these medications so Im sure he has factored this into his method? It may not interefer with the SN (as it is in powder form), but I wonder if it interferes with the Meto, Tramadol etc? Op have you had a look at this? Maybe nothing in it? Have you researched any possible absorption problems with taking Magnesium Hydroxide ad Meto, Tramadol etc? I wouldnt think it would interfere with SN being a powder, but I do wonder about the tablets? Can I ask what the Oramorph is for?

 

[Red]

The timing of when I'm taking them is imperative to the way they act; by the time I take the milk of magnesia to lower my stomach acid the tablets should be mostly absorbed. I'm choosing milk of magnesia because it's always worked best for my body - what I've learned from having to take tons of prescription meds is that the way and the timing of when they act are largely dependent to your own personal chemistry; the internet has a rough estimate but I know my body.
The tramadol is my usual painkiller and is both analgesic and has a sedatory effect.
Oramorph is to numb the throat before and take the taste away after SN; it does take feeling away from the throat upon contact, especially if you gargle it a little, and I wouldn't chug the whole lot, just a little.
PS I'm a she
PPS thank you for crediting me with a little intelligence x

 

[Suez]

The timing of when I'm taking them is imperative to the way they act; by the time I take the milk of magnesia to lower my stomach acid the tablets should be mostly absorbed. I'm choosing milk of magnesia because it's always worked best for my body - what I've learned from having to take tons of prescription meds is that the way and the timing of when they act are largely dependent to your own personal chemistry; the internet has a rough estimate but I know my body.
The tramadol is my usual painkiller and is both analgesic and has a sedatory effect.
Oramorph is to numb the throat before and take the taste away after SN; it does take feeling away from the throat upon contact, especially if you gargle it a little, and I wouldn't chug the whole lot, just a little.
PS I'm a she
PPS thank you for crediting me with a little intelligence x

A "Little' intelligence, "A LOT" of intelligence is more like it, probably because you are a "SHE" but of course, had to be.Who know your body better than you. Youve done a great job of putting it all together, like I said to one of the other people here, you obviously know your body. Youve been taking these meds for a while like you said. You know what they do and dont do and can anticipate their effects and combined effects which is great. Im actually a Dr, so I luvvvv people like you, who really know their bodys and are in tune with them. I think everyone should be. Really youve done a great job here.How long has it taken you to research this and put it together to its completed version?

 

[Quarky00]

18:30: 600mg diphenhydramine for sleepiness/possible EDS symptoms

Don't.

For EPS:

The dosage generally ranges from 50 to 400 mg/day, given in divided doses.

For Sleepiness:

25 mg (Benadryl, Nytol, Simply Sleep, Sominex, Simply Allergy, Tetra-Formula Nighttime Sleep); 50 mg (Aler-Dryl, Nytol Maximum Strength)

• In high doses diphenhydramine can have significant side effects on its own, though usually at the level of grams (not hunderds of mg). But better be safe.
• Check meto first, that would solve EPS worry, and create tolerance. It causes drowsiness in itself.
• If you intent on using OTC sleeping aid like diphenhydramine, which is fine, use moderate amounts. If 50mg is 'maximum strength' and even the highest 400mg is divided -- a 100mg single dose would be a pretty high limit. Again better to test it before (try 50mg and if okay a day later 75-100mg).

If you puke with opioids , and SN may cause vomiting , be economic with it. I don't know what is your daily dosage, I assume 100mg-200mg. So either use 150mg if possible/desired, or take the 200mg you pland but don't swallow too much oramorph. I'm not sure how critical that is, but better be safe. It will slow down the SN process because it slows down metabolism and intestinal absorption, no questions about it. As a general rule, oral opioids with SN should be used moderately.


Milk of Magnesia shortly prior to SN would not harm absorption but acts as antacid . Stomach acid interacts with SN to form nitrates (rather than nitrites) . It will make SN more available to intestinal absorption . It is not significant . ( SN journey through the digestive tract, Antacid Note ; also for @Soul -)



Overall it sounds alright , just , as Stan hinted , don't overdo :)

 

[Jumper Geo]

Don't.

For EPS:

For Sleepiness:

• In high doses diphenhydramine can have significant side effects on its own, though usually at the level of grams (not hunderds of mg). But better be safe.
• Check meto first, that would solve EPS worry, and create tolerance. It causes drowsiness in itself.
• If you intent on using OTC sleeping aid like diphenhydramine, which is fine, use moderate amounts. If 50mg is 'maximum strength' and even the highest 400mg is divided -- a 100mg single dose would be a pretty high limit. Again better to test it before (try 50mg and if okay a day later 75-100mg).

If you puke with opioids , and SN may cause vomiting , be economic with it. I don't know what is your daily dosage, I assume 100mg-200mg. So either use 150mg if possible/desired, or take the 200mg you pland but don't swallow too much oramorph. I'm not sure how critical that is, but better be safe. It will slow down the SN process because it slows down metabolism and intestinal absorption, no questions about it. As a general rule, oral opioids with SN should be used moderately.


Milk of Magnesia shortly prior to SN would not harm absorption but acts as antacid . Stomach acid interacts with SN to form nitrates (rather than nitrites) . It will make SN more available to intestinal absorption . It is not significant . ( SN journey through the digestive tract, Antacid Note ; also for @Soul -)



Overall it sounds alright , just , as Stan hinted , don't overdo :)

Quarky00 is there any time you can just say bad choice without pulling statics, love you

 

[Quarky00]

Quarky00 is there any time you can just say bad choice without pulling statics, love you

Yes , And I will shortly post a graph for when I'm more likely to do that

 

[Jumper Geo]

Here's a good way to crush the pills so you take less water and swallow them all together at least give me some feedback if your not impressed, lol

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...n-easy-and-cheap-solution-not-capsules.36248/

Cheers

Geo

 

[Red]

A "Little' intelligence, "A LOT" of intelligence is more like it, probably because you are a "SHE" but of course, had to be.Who know your body better than you. Youve done a great job of putting it all together, like I said to one of the other people here, you obviously know your body. Youve been taking these meds for a while like you said. You know what they do and dont do and can anticipate their effects and combined effects which is great. Im actually a Dr, so I luvvvv people like you, who really know their bodys and are in tune with them. I think everyone should be. Really youve done a great job here.How long has it taken you to research this and put it together to its completed version?

Very flattering, I'm not sure what to say...
If only I could've had a doctor like you!
The main reason I'm here is because they refuse to listen, correlate my symptoms and do the right bloody tests... May I ask what brings you here as a medical professional?

It's taken me around a year so far and still needs tweaking I think; testing all the meds properly in coming weeks so I now exactly how and when they kick in!

Don't.

For EPS:

For Sleepiness:

• In high doses diphenhydramine can have significant side effects on its own, though usually at the level of grams (not hunderds of mg). But better be safe.
• Check meto first, that would solve EPS worry, and create tolerance. It causes drowsiness in itself.
• If you intent on using OTC sleeping aid like diphenhydramine, which is fine, use moderate amounts. If 50mg is 'maximum strength' and even the highest 400mg is divided -- a 100mg single dose would be a pretty high limit. Again better to test it before (try 50mg and if okay a day later 75-100mg).

If you puke with opioids , and SN may cause vomiting , be economic with it. I don't know what is your daily dosage, I assume 100mg-200mg. So either use 150mg if possible/desired, or take the 200mg you pland but don't swallow too much oramorph. I'm not sure how critical that is, but better be safe. It will slow down the SN process because it slows down metabolism and intestinal absorption, no questions about it. As a general rule, oral opioids with SN should be used moderately.

I can take loads of diphenhydramine and still feel nothing, it takes about 6 50mg pills to make me a little sleepy... I wanted to exceed the daily dose to increase the chance of respiratory depression and decrease the time to unconsciousness... maybe 400mg will do it?

My daily dosage of tramadol is 400mg, sometimes more in dire times, so 150mg will do diddly-squat lol n maybe just have a wee little tastie of oramorph, just enough to coat the pipes n take taste away - it's suspended in ethanol after all, not good to mix with SN!

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

In the Wiki and or Stans guide he says that its the best and safest to keep it as simple as possible - Meto, Painkiller, SN. Done. Everything else is just adding risks to vomitting, a fast heartrate isnt painful or anything.

I agree, anything you add like food or other drugs will increase the probability of failure. The more drugs you take the higher the chance of vomiting.

Every one should do their own research and make up their own mind. This is just what i believe, my opinion and what i will do for me:

In this podcast on 5/17/20 , The author of the Peaceful Pill handbook Philip Nitschke says that they at exit international have received many eye witness SN ctb reports. Philip Nitschke said all the SN ctb reports show no signs of pain at all. So this further confirms what some of us saw on this website Sanctioned Suicide from these 16 cases of SN ctb attempt survivors who said that the SN method is painLess : Click here to see the 16 cases: SN failures (16 cases).



Furthermore he says in the podcast that "SN is the new nembutal the holy grail".

So I believe there is no pain with the SN ctb method. This is what i'll do for my SN method for me:

The simpler the better.
My method 3 steps :
fast 8 hours ,
18:00 30mg Metoclopramide,
19:00 20-25 grams SN in 50 ML water.

Note: I also believe in the placebo effect and nocebo effect so i won't let someone convince my mind that there will be pain with unverified reports that cannot invalidate all the evidence i've seen that SN is painless as i've shown here. sometimes just believing something strongly creates symptoms that are not caused by the substance but by some belief implanted by others.

Nocebo Effect: When Negative Thinking Impacts Health

The nocebo effect is the opposite of the placebo effect. We'll go over how it works, provide real-life examples, and discuss possible ethical issues it raises.

www.healthline.com

 

[Suez]

Very flattering, I'm not sure what to say...
If only I could've had a doctor like you!
The main reason I'm here is because they refuse to listen, correlate my symptoms and do the right bloody tests... May I ask what brings you here as a medical professional?

It's taken me around a year so far and still needs tweaking I think; testing all the meds properly in coming weeks so I now exactly how and when they kick in!



I can take loads of diphenhydramine and still feel nothing, it takes about 6 50mg pills to make me a little sleepy... I wanted to exceed the daily dose to increase the chance of respiratory depression and decrease the time to unconsciousness... maybe 400mg will do it?

My daily dosage of tramadol is 400mg, sometimes more in dire times, so 150mg will do diddly-squat lol n maybe just have a wee little tastie of oramorph, just enough to coat the pipes n take taste away - it's suspended in ethanol after all, not good to mix with SN!

Its interesting that you said what brings you here as a Medical Professional as if somehow being a Dr magically protects you from depression or feeling suicidal or having problems of any description. Its ok, I know you meant nothing by it, its something I have got very used to. Ive gone from having probably what could be described as a hell of a start to life, a heroin addiction, jail, alot of issues starting out before deciding to go to University and getting an MD& PhD and things were pretty good for quite sometime but then about 6 yrs ago my mum who was pretty much the only person who loved me or cared about me become terminally ill. I nursed her until she died ,when I started using heroin again blah blah blah. So while Im not on heroin any more my desire to live is non existant, thus the reason why i found my way here.

 

[ceelo]

Very flattering, I'm not sure what to say...
If only I could've had a doctor like you!
The main reason I'm here is because they refuse to listen, correlate my symptoms and do the right bloody tests... May I ask what brings you here as a medical professional?

It's taken me around a year so far and still needs tweaking I think; testing all the meds properly in coming weeks so I now exactly how and when they kick in!



I can take loads of diphenhydramine and still feel nothing, it takes about 6 50mg pills to make me a little sleepy... I wanted to exceed the daily dose to increase the chance of respiratory depression and decrease the time to unconsciousness... maybe 400mg will do it?

My daily dosage of tramadol is 400mg, sometimes more in dire times, so 150mg will do diddly-squat lol n maybe just have a wee little tastie of oramorph, just enough to coat the pipes n take taste away - it's suspended in ethanol after all, not good to mix with SN!

can you tell me mopre about your medical story, i have a horror show of dr incompetence to share aswell.

 

[Quarky00]

First I'm sorry to hear about your lousy doctors. Damm them.

My daily dosage of tramadol is 400mg, sometimes more in dire times, so 150mg will do diddly-squat lol n maybe just have a wee little tastie of oramorph, just enough to coat the pipes n take taste away - it's

If 400mg barely provide relief in normal times, how would 200mg work? :/
I don't know what would work because I would be hesitant with opioids. Maybe 200mg night before, 200mg in morning, and 200mg afternoon-- but I'm not sure the nightly dosage will still be effective, maybe it will increase nausea and make you feel bad during ctb, maybe you have tolerance, and I personally find it hard to play with opioids dosages (let alone advice others!).

I can take loads of diphenhydramine and still feel nothing, it takes about 6 50mg pills to make me a little sleepy... I wanted to exceed the daily dose to increase the chance of respiratory depression and decrease the

That's quite a lot.. No other option?

You seem to be wanting to achieve a good sedation, which is desirable by many, but if opioids and otc don't work, you'd better try benzo/z.. :) Many GPs are reluctant to prescribe benzo these days and especially with opioids. An Rx sleeping pill (z) could be an option.

 

[ceelo]

i have a pack of 2mg diazepams, how many would i need ideally?

 

[Red]

Here's a good way to crush the pills so you take less water and swallow them all together at least give me some feedback if your not impressed, lol

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...n-easy-and-cheap-solution-not-capsules.36248/

Cheers

Geo

awesome idea dude, if it works for you then do it! However I remember from taking bombs of speed in my misspent youth made from half a small rizla that I struggled no end getting them down; rough surface of paper just sticks to my throat n makes me gag

Its interesting that you said what brings you here as a Medical Professional as if somehow being a Dr magically protects you from depression or feeling suicidal or having problems of any description. Its ok, I know you meant nothing by it, its something I have got very used to. Ive gone from having probably what could be described as a hell of a start to life, a heroin addiction, jail, alot of issues starting out before deciding to go to University and getting an MD& PhD and things were pretty good for quite sometime but then about 6 yrs ago my mum who was pretty much the only person who loved me or cared about me become terminally ill. I nursed her until she died ,when I started using heroin again blah blah blah. So while Im not on heroin any more my desire to live is non existant, thus the reason why i found my way here.

Didn't think that hon, nobody is immune to this crap lol
I admire what must've been a bloody hard slog to get yourself out of that and through some pretty prestigious qualifications! I'm very sorry for your loss and wish it could've been different for you, I don't know exactly what it's like to but can empathise

can you tell me mopre about your medical story, i have a horror show of dr incompetence to share aswell.

PM me if you want a chat hon, you first - too exhausted to relay it all today lol

First I'm sorry to hear about your lousy doctors. Damm them.


If 400mg barely provide relief in normal times, how would 200mg work? :/
I don't know what would work because I would be hesitant with opioids. Maybe 200mg night before, 200mg in morning, and 200mg afternoon-- but I'm not sure the nightly dosage will still be effective, maybe it will increase nausea and make you feel bad during ctb, maybe you have tolerance, and I personally find it hard to play with opioids dosages (let alone advice others!).




That's quite a lot.. No other option?

You seem to be wanting to achieve a good sedation, which is desirable by many, but if opioids and otc don't work, you'd better try benzo/z.. :) Many GPs are reluctant to prescribe benzo these days and especially with opioids. An Rx sleeping pill (z) could be an option.

400mg is my DAILY DOSE, split into 4; 200mg is two doses together...taken them for years so tolerant.
No benzos available, won't ask for them as it's obvious I've never needed them lol
What are Rx sleeping pills made of?

 

[Suez]

can you tell me mopre about your medical story, i have a horror show of dr incompetence to share aswell.

When you say my Medical story, do you mean going through University, or residency, or working as a Doctor?