My religion is preventing me from CTB

[LittleLonerLoser]

I wanted to CTB for a while now but in my religion it's prohibited and I'll likely end up in hell if I do so. Anyone else experiencing the same thing?

 

[missingpeace]

I grew up in a muslim household and i know that my family is going to be pretty ashamed of what I did, but in the context of my suffering I'm not going to let anything hold me back. They already kind of know things are bad for me, so maybe they will understand. I never really believed in hell, when you see psychic mediums channel those people who have departed most say they are at peace after their death.

 

[Dextroid]

My mom told me a long time ago that people who kill themselves go to hell. She said it's like you're throwing the beautiful life God gave you back at Him. It's for that reason a much younger me was so scared to kill myself despite my desire to. Though, I guess that isn't necessarily a bad thing. I've gotten to experience so many amazing things and meet a lot of amazing people, and I wouldn't have had I died when I was young.

 

[Oublivien]

I don't have a religion, but I do believe in waste. Whenever I think about CTB, I always think I might as well do something before I die. I still have many things I can do while I still have influence on this world. A while back I actually planned to find people to get revenge on, then CTB. I ended up not finding either. Anyways, CTB is honestly a good escape out of any bad situation. It's a shame to waste it.
Before I die, I just want to change one thing in the world. After I'm dead, I'll be free and in eternal darkness (I believe that after I die, I stop existing).

 

[LittleLonerLoser]

I grew up in a muslim household and i know that my family is going to be pretty ashamed of what I did, but in the context of my suffering I'm not going to let anything hold me back. They already kind of know things are bad for me, so maybe they will understand. I never really believed in hell, when you see psychic mediums channel those people who have departed most say they are at peace after their death.

how do you not believe in hell but you believe in psychic mediums

 

[Amnesiaisalloverme]

I grew up in a muslim household and i know that my family is going to be pretty ashamed of what I did, but in the context of my suffering I'm not going to let anything hold me back. They already kind of know things are bad for me, so maybe they will understand. I never really believed in hell, when you see psychic mediums channel those people who have departed most say they are at peace after their death.

I also belong to a Muslim family and live in a muslim country where suicide is a criminal offense and u cannot imagine it will be hell for parents and society will make their already miserable lives and mine(if my attempt fails) more hell.

 

[missingpeace]

how do you not believe in hell but you believe in psychic mediums

It's possible to be spiritual but not religious, I had a spiritual awakening at age 26 and it started with meeting alot of psychics/healers/shamans.. I've always been open-minded to that sort of stuff. I think religion is a bunch of croc and I've never really believed even when I was young. It never felt true to me, I've done alot of research on life beyond death, basically we come to Earth as souls to go through our chosen paths and learn along the way, some paths are just too hard and that's ok, too..

I also belong to a Muslim family and live in a muslim country where suicide is a criminal offense and u cannot imagine it will be hell for parents and society will make their already miserable lives and mine(if my attempt fails) more hell.

I feel very sorry for you, which country are you from? that makes it very hard to ctb, I was raised in Australia which is not a religious country so have always been liberal minded even though my family is religious. After your dead, you obviously won't feel anything about what goes on afterwards, people eventually forget about it I guess, although your family may miss you, I know mine will, I don't know how much your suffering is whether anything can get better if you tried, if nothing gets better I guess the only thing you can do is keep trying discreet methods of ctb. I wish you the best. <3

 

[LittleLonerLoser]

It's possible to be spiritual but not religious, I had a spiritual awakening at age 26 and it started with meeting alot of psychics/healers/shamans.. I've always been open-minded to that sort of stuff. I think religion is a bunch of croc and I've never really believed even when I was young. It never felt true to me, I've done alot of research on life beyond death, basically we come to Earth as souls to go through our chosen paths and learn along the way, some paths are just too hard and that's ok, too..

I feel very sorry for you, which country are you from? that makes it very hard to ctb, I was raised in Australia which is not a religious country so have always been liberal minded even though my family is religious. After your dead, you obviously won't feel anything about what goes on afterwards, people eventually forget about it I guess, although your family may miss you, I know mine will, I don't know how much your suffering is whether anything can get better if you tried, if nothing gets better I guess the only thing you can do is keep trying discreet methods of ctb. I wish you the best. <3

Thanks so much for the support! I think you're misunderstanding my dilemma though. I, myself, am religious and believe in the afterlife. I think that if I ctb, I will end up in hell, but I'm just in so much pain. This world is constant torture and I want it to end—but I am faithful in my religion and know that if I ctb, I'll only face more torture in the afterlife.

 

[missingpeace]

Thanks so much for the support! I think you're misunderstanding my dilemma though. I, myself, am religious and believe in the afterlife. I think that if I ctb, I will end up in hell, but I'm just in so much pain. This world is constant torture and I want it to end—but I am faithful in my religion and know that if I ctb, I'll only face more torture in the afterlife.

I see, then it will be very hard to bridge those beliefs of having fear of the afterlife. You must try as much as you can to make your life better here itself. I wish you all the best <3

 

[disabledlife]

It's sad that in a country, which punishes the CTB, when some CTB, all his family, his relatives, see his friends are punished!

If you live in such a country where, in order to be able to CTB, without endangering anyone or their family, and avoiding their punishment, rejection, you would first have to disappear!

Then, it will be necessary to leave your country, to go CTB abroad, in a country which does not maintain diplomatic links with your country so that your CTB is not communicated with your country.

For more security, destroy everything that will identify you (papers, personal belongings, etc.) so that, when your CTB is completed, do not allow the authorities of the place where you have CTB to identify you and inform your country that you have CTB!

It's really horrible to come to this point to protect your loved ones or anyone, that you don't want to see punished, because if you don't get punished, the pro-lifers will attack others!

I find it hard to believe that a God, regardless of religion, can impose suffering on anyone, especially since we are not born equal, and we are unequal in our lives!

Religions say that God makes you suffer, as a privilege to have a trial and go to heaven after your natural death.

So why would some have this "privilege"? What are the selection criteria? Does this mean that, according to religion, people who do not suffer will find it more difficult to go to heaven? It's totally absurd. There is no evidence of any of this, let alone an afterlife paradise.

The only proof is that life is a hell, and that this hell is harder on some people, and less on other people, without particular regions, just the fact of being well born or badly born, for example.

We do not know why we were born (apart from two people who procreated, our parents), we have no memory of a possible past life.

 

[BlissfulVoid]

Thanks so much for the support! I think you're misunderstanding my dilemma though. I, myself, am religious and believe in the afterlife. I think that if I ctb, I will end up in hell, but I'm just in so much pain. This world is constant torture and I want it to end—but I am faithful in my religion and know that if I ctb, I'll only face more torture in the afterlife.

If you want a rational argument, then think of it like this:
There are many different religions, and given the conflicting ideas about what constitues an offense in each religion, as well as the conflicting afterlives and how they are supposedly administered after death, clearly they cannot all be right. So assuming there even is an afterlife at all, statistically speaking, it is unlikely to include Hell, or at least not the version of Hell you're thinking of.

I am not saying your religion is wrong, or that you should stop believing in it. I am just saying that, if we look at the numbers, without any bias, then they are in your favor.

 

[LittleLonerLoser]

It's sad that in a country, which punishes the CTB, when some CTB, all his family, his relatives, see his friends are punished!

If you live in such a country where, in order to be able to CTB, without endangering anyone or their family, and avoiding their punishment, rejection, you would first have to disappear!

Then, it will be necessary to leave your country, to go CTB abroad, in a country which does not maintain diplomatic links with your country so that your CTB is not communicated with your country.

For more security, destroy everything that will identify you (papers, personal belongings, etc.) so that, when your CTB is completed, do not allow the authorities of the place where you have CTB to identify you and inform your country that you have CTB!

It's really horrible to come to this point to protect your loved ones or anyone, that you don't want to see punished, because if you don't get punished, the pro-lifers will attack others!

I find it hard to believe that a God, regardless of religion, can impose suffering on anyone, especially since we are not born equal, and we are unequal in our lives!

Religions say that God makes you suffer, as a privilege to have a trial and go to heaven after your natural death.

So why would some have this "privilege"? What are the selection criteria? Does this mean that, according to religion, people who do not suffer will find it more difficult to go to heaven? It's totally absurd. There is no evidence of any of this, let alone an afterlife paradise.

The only proof is that life is a hell, and that this hell is harder on some people, and less on other people, without particular regions, just the fact of being well born or badly born, for example.

We do not know why we were born (apart from two people who procreated, our parents), we have no memory of a possible past life.

as a matter a fact, there is a plethora of evidence proving that God and the afterlife exist, especially when taken into the context of the proofs of Islam and the Quran. In regards to you point about inequality of suffering, obviously different people are tested with different trials based on what they can handle.

Regardless, I really did not come here to have people disrespecting my beliefs when they have no knowledge on the subject (and clearly very little critical thinking). It's nice to understand how you feel about the whole thing, but it just feels a bit malicious as a response to what I wrote, you know?

I appreciate the advice you gave me though, but if you look at the other things I've written, it's not applicable to me. Thanks though <3

If you want a rational argument, then think of it like this:
There are many different religions, and given the conflicting ideas about what constitues an offense in each religion, as well as the conflicting afterlives and how they are supposedly administered after death, clearly they cannot all be right. So assuming there even is an afterlife at all, statistically speaking, it is unlikely to include Hell, or at least not the version of Hell you're thinking of.

I am not saying your religion is wrong, or that you should stop believing in it. I am just saying that, if we look at the numbers, without any bias, then they are in your favor.

"rational argument," "without any bias," these phrases seem to be misrepresenting your argument, since it is quite the opposite of those. You have to take into account that not every religion/belief are equal in validity, some are literally made up by a random dude, while some have actual evidence and proof for their accuracy.

Thanks for your attempts to soothe me though, I hope the best for you.

 

[disabledlife]

as a matter a fact, there is a plethora of evidence proving that God and the afterlife exist, especially when taken into the context of the proofs of Islam and the Quran. In regards to you point about inequality of suffering, obviously different people are tested with different trials based on what they can handle.

Regardless, I really did not come here to have people disrespecting my beliefs when they have no knowledge on the subject (and clearly very little critical thinking). It's nice to understand how you feel about the whole thing, but it just feels a bit malicious as a response to what I wrote, you know?

I appreciate the advice you gave me though, but if you look at the other things I've written, it's not applicable to me. Thanks though <3

I didn't mean to say anything malicious, let alone disrespect you, if I did, I apologize, it wasn't my intention.

I said these things in a neutral spirit. I was always told that there was no proof of the afterlife, that everything was nothing, I had asked the question precisely in a thread in SaSu, and I had the same answer. Are these answers from science maybe? It is true that science is not exact.

If something exists afterwards, a paradise, so much the better that God exists. Because, after all, there is no proof that it does not exist. We really don't know.
By the way, I have Asperger's syndrome (Autism), it is possible that, unwittingly, I express myself badly and that there are misunderstandings, this happens to us very often unfortunately. It's hell to be different from the others, I would have the choice I would have preferred not to exist. Sorry again.