My opinion on suicide

[SamTam33]

Who better, but the suicidal? lol

There should be obvious limits, but the fact is there aren't and can never be. It's a non-argument OP has there.
Death is literally everywhere you look, if you have the eyes to see. This life is dangerous... none have yet made it out alive, unless you believe some few obscure religious texts...

I guess I keep coming back to the closest neighbor to death: birth.

There are no limits on giving birth. NONE. Apparently, some politicians think it's ok for a 10-year old to give birth. But they wouldn't dare give a consenting adult the right to die.

That's illogical.

If births are unregulated with no restrictions, it only makes sense that death be treated the same. They're two sides of the same coin.

I'd be down for paying a fee, signing some paperwork and observing a waiting period. Anyone under the age of 18 would need parental consent. Just like with most everything else.

Those are the only barriers needed. There could be a "Reason" field on the paperwork, but it would only be used for statistical purposes.

You shouldn't have to justify your death because no one was made to justify your birth.

 

[Efilismislife]

I guess I keep coming back to the closest neighbor to death: birth.

There are no limits on giving birth. NONE. Apparently, some politicians think it's ok for a 10-year old to give birth. But they wouldn't dare give a consenting adult the right to die.

That's illogical.

10 years old with no income and incapable to take care of their offspring let alone themselves

If births are unregulated with no restrictions, it only makes sense that death be treated the same. They're two sides of the same coin.

You shouldn't have to justify your death because no one was made to justify your birth.

Yeah its ridiculous. Its the root of all the problems in the world. But they need minions, slave, workers, etc etc so they keep telling people to squeezing offspring to work.
Like farm animals

 

[TAW122]

I would have to disagree with the OP. The right to CTB is a personal choice and there should be no restrictions except for some safeguards and eventually honoring a person's wish to die. (e.g. Someone who is not of the age of majority in where he/she lives, but will be allowed in terminal or severe cases) By safeguards I mean something to prevent rash decisions, like a waiting period, having a screening/evaluation to ensure the person chose the option on his/her free will (not pressured nor coerced), is not trying to abuse the system, and is making the decision with a clear head (not under the influence of drugs or alcohol), etc. Furthermore, there could be different tracks for the option, such as terminally ill and severely ill gets first priority as they are near death or suffering immensely so the sooner they exit suffering the better (days or weeks). The non-terminal ones will have a longer wait period, but not something that takes years, maybe a few months or so. The chronic but mild cases (both physical and psychological, but mostly psychological) have a longer wait period and maybe a bit more counseling but at the end, if they persistently request for it, it shall be granted (within a reasonable time frame). Finally, the health individual who wishes to go will go but will have the longest wait period and many opportunities to change his/her mind because once one goes, there is no turning back.

Of course these safeguards are just general guidelines, but it is something to start with or work from.

I guess I keep coming back to the closest neighbor to death: birth.

There are no limits on giving birth. NONE. Apparently, some politicians think it's ok for a 10-year old to give birth. But they wouldn't dare give a consenting adult the right to die.

That's illogical.

If births are unregulated with no restrictions, it only makes sense that death be treated the same. They're two sides of the same coin.

I'd be down for paying a fee, signing some paperwork and observing a waiting period. Anyone under the age of 18 would need parental consent. Just like with most everything else.

Those are the only barriers needed. There could be a "Reason" field on the paperwork, but it would only be used for statistical purposes.

You shouldn't have to justify your death because no one was made to justify your birth.

Absolutely, and as an anti-natalist myself, I believe that procreation/birth itself is a net negative because the person coming into existence never had a choice to do so. Also, once conceived, the sentient being is at the mercy of the world and his/her surroundings, people around said person, and also nature itself. Some people can be born in harsh environments, with debilitating conditions, and other horrors that they never asked for. Thus bringing people into this shitty world is a harm done to someone who never has (existed) been.

 

[akirat9]

I would have to disagree with the OP. The right to CTB is a personal choice and there should be no restrictions except for some safeguards and eventually honoring a person's wish to die. (e.g. Someone who is not of the age of majority in where he/she lives, but will be allowed in terminal or severe cases) By safeguards I mean something to prevent rash decisions, like a waiting period, having a screening/evaluation to ensure the person chose the option on his/her free will (not pressured nor coerced), is not trying to abuse the system, and is making the decision with a clear head (not under the

that is no different in just out right denying it. this "evaluation " will just make then find some crap reason to deny CTB for said person.
But as a I say, it is just an opinion, that and these "safe guards" in trying to prevent it by any means necessary (coming up with something in such evaluation to not let CTB), none of will change reality, just makes the method of going ever more unpleasant, added on top of my current agony.

 

[TAW122]

that is no different in just out right denying it. this "evaluation " will just make then find some crap reason to deny CTB for said person.
But as a I say, it is just an opinion, that and these "safe guards" in trying to prevent it by any means necessary (coming up with something in such evaluation to not let CTB), none of will change reality, just makes the method of going ever more unpleasant, added on top of my current agony.

I don't believe that safe guards should be heavily restrictive, there is a way to make it fair and objective. Also, I believe that having 'sensible' and 'reasonable' safeguards to prevent abuse, fraud, or misuse of the service is a good idea because there is bound to be bad actors. In addition to this, there can be laws and regulations that discourage as well as punish any bad actors that use it for harm on others.

One good example advocating for having some restrictions is question #13 in The Right To No Longer Exist's FAQ. I know not everyone will be on board but having the right (even if delayed as long as it's not unreasonably long or infeasibly inaccessible) at the end is still much better than the current system we have now (which is an all out prohibition on CTB barring some areas and only for terminally ill, near end of life cases).

FAQS | The Right To No Longer Exist

Here we will answer any questions you may have regarding our philosophy of the right to die and the legalization of physician-assisted suicide.

www.therighttonolongerexist.com

 

[Maudlin]

I'd be down for paying a fee, signing some paperwork and observing a waiting period. Anyone under the age of 18 would need parental consent. Just like with most everything else.

Lol. Fuck their fees.

It would be nice if legislation codified complete body autonomy, but my perspective is the same. They can't "legislate" away something that's always at arms' reach. They can't "grant" me rights I already have, either.

I'm a hard-headed American, and I like our founding documents which say my rights are God given, not "granted" by the state, and inalienable. It seems body autonomy was overlooked in the Bill of Rights, to our detriment.

If births are unregulated with no restrictions, it only makes sense that death be treated the same. They're two sides of the same coin.

Agreed. This applies as well to drugs people ingest, body modifications, vaccination, etc.

You shouldn't have to justify your death because no one was made to justify your birth.

Well said.

they need minions, slave, workers, etc

Have you seen this:

This concept incubator would grow babies at your home in a see-through pod

The product is just a concept that was thought up by students at Product Design Arnhem but in the future, this could be a possibility.

www.businessinsider.com

Look at the date on that video. ugh.
Soon, you'll be picking up your offspring in the frozen section at the market and stuffing it in the baby cooker when you get home. lol

Imagine the industrial operations. Truly a "Brave New World".

The current state of affairs is not based on any sort of humane rationale of caring for the individual. It is a happenstance default based on the culture and politics of the day. It is nothing to be proud of.

Some people are facing a lifetime of pain, a morbid fact that most people do not wish to think about, let alone bring into mainstream political debate. Religious interest groups full of ignorant zeal have much to say about denying bodily autonomy to strangers, and easily dominate debates in the absence of any opposition.

Having a process by which an individual's choice to die can be given consideration over time would prevent the mess of damage from failed attempts, trauma to those finding corpses in various states of decomposition and shock to others in the community who had no forewarning. Individual cases might still fall through the cracks, but at least a reasonable effort would be made by society to support the choices of people with extremely low quality of life.

That's a damn good argument.

 

[Jupit3rs]

If you think everyone would kill themselves if suicide was legal... Maybe that just shows how awful existence is and why preventing birth is more important here, but nobody cares about that. Somehow, the problem is us, the suicidal people. Makes no sense to me.

 

[Lupgevif]

If it was easy everyone would do it whenever they had small problem.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[anyoneshorizon]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Yes probably

 

[jackie_boy1337]

Well, opinions are likes assholes.

We all got one, but it's a good thing we don't all have the SAME one.

 

[Efilismislife]

Have you seen this:

This concept incubator would grow babies at your home in a see-through pod

The product is just a concept that was thought up by students at Product Design Arnhem but in the future, this could be a possibility.

www.businessinsider.com

Look at the date on that video. ugh.
Soon, you'll be picking up your offspring in the frozen section at the market and stuffing it in the baby cooker when you get home. lol

Imagine the industrial operations. Truly a "Brave New World".

That's a damn good argument.

Omg
like i said
Like farm animals

i saw a lot of advertisement many clinic did to promote breeding even though its very expensive they got a lot of money from it

Everytime i saw that i got sick after i realize they just popping babies and sentence them to all the threats, burden, sufferings, deterioration, etc just for their own ake

i know normies would oppose that so i dont voice my opinion in real life

I thought with the more advancing robot technology it would be harder for human to compete and later birth rate will decrease but i dont know..