My opinion on suicide

[anyoneshorizon]

I do not agree that everyone should be allow suicide. It should not be normalized. It should not be given to us by the government or hospitals. I think the only exception should be people with a terminal illness, chronic pain, or are in a vegative state that makes life unlivable.
I like that suicide isn't easy. It feels like you have to earn it you have to fully commit and know that what you're about to do will have consequences if you succeed or fail. If it was easy everyone would do it whenever they had small problem.

I think many will disagree since at least on this site it's a controversial opinion and this is probably terribly worded. I have some other points too but I haven't fully thought of how to word them and I am tired.

 

[Mofreeko]

I love how people think that if you have the option for assisted suicide then people will just be offing themselves in droves.
It always boils my piss when someone talks about "earning" their suicide. It's my body and if I don't want to be here anymore I should be able to legally opt out. No one else has the right to decide if I've "earned" it or not.

 

[SamTam33]

Births are normalized. Births are assisted by the hospitals. No one is forced to "earn" births. Parents aren't made to reflect on the consequences before squeezing out a baby.

Yet when it comes time to rectify the shitty choices of their parents, people are forced to "earn it."

Why?

 

[meda]

I think the only exception should be people with a terminal illness, chronic pain, or are in a vegative state that makes life unlivable.

you have to fully commit and know that what you're about to do will have consequences if you succeed or fail.

Isn't that a bit opposing?

Making suicide legal? → No, unless life is unlivable.
Keeping suicide illegal? → Yes, but ~you are aware~ that in committing it you might fail thus potentially end up in a vegetative state (i.e. unlivable).

In your reasoning, you are only retaining assisted suicide illegal because of the psyche dilemma of going throughout the attempt with the possibilities in mind of failing and living with the consequences—or succeeding, and then the consequences being your relatives dealing with grief and sorrow I assume?

= You have to be depressed for months/years to the point of rupture, thereby earning your attempt (with a probable failure); but free-pass to those with chronic pain.

If it was easy everyone would do it whenever they had small problem.

I agree that suicide should not become accessible to everyone the instant they opt for it, in order to avoid impulsive acts. In my opinion, if assisted suicide would become legal, a time period should be put in place from the moment they ask for the process to the moment the procedure is done, accompanied with therapy sessions in between and/or a stay at a psychiatric ward while checking on them every so often, with the possibility to cancel the request anytime. In doing so enabling the procedure to those who are firm on committing suicide and having no second thoughts.

 

[SamTam33]

...How does that link to suicide? Bring out a magic pill that guarantees a peaceful death and make it legal. What stops a 13 year old Jackie from killing herself when she enters another one of those "I'll be sad for the next 2 weeks because Tracy said my shoes are so 2008" phases? What stops her from simply poisoning Tracy with the same pill? What stops a 20 year old Mike from drinking a deadly cocktail after being fired from his first job? What stops... you probably get it by now...

Why should any of these scenarios be stopped? Not to sound like a broken record but mom and dad were likely just horny and screwed each other.

An orgasm lasts a few seconds and can result in birth. So why must the decision to die last any longer than orgasm?

 

[FuneralCry]

I disagree with your opinion. The truth is that there could never be anything wrong with suicide. A peaceful exit from this life should be a human right. None of us asked to be here in the first place so we shouldn't have to struggle so much in trying to find ways to leave this world. Of course suicide shouldn't be so stigmatised as we deserve the option of being able to exit for when the time is right for us. We are all going to die anyway so I see it as being preferable to exit at a time of my control. All that life is, is just waiting to die, our fate as humans is to die anyway. Death is the most normal thing, it's not a big deal. in fact it's inevitable for us all. Human life is so insignificant.

If assisted suicide was an option then people wouldn't have to do unnecessarily complicated suicide research, worry about methods potentially failing and it would make it easier for those left behind as people could say farewell in advance and would not have to be shocked by finding a body of a suicidal person. There are many reasons as to why assisted suicide should be legalised for us all.

Suicide shouldn't be restricted to those who meet a certain criteria of suffering, why should someone have to suffer to such a great extent to receive a peaceful death. Nobody should have to earn suicide or justify their reasons for leaving. We have no obligation to stay in this world. After all, what is so valuable about living to justify making suicide so difficult.

Life is just a terrible unnecessary concept, it's a tragic mistake how life even exists and after all to die solves all problems as it removes the cause of all problems in the first place which is life itself. Suffering is simply inevitable in life and I see suffering as being something bad and something to be avoided. There are no disadvantages to being dead anyway and to die prevents all future problems. So therefore there really is no reason to make suicide so hard and painful for people. If we exist for no reason then why should dying even need a reason. Suicide is a personal choice and it should be our right to leave at a time of our own choosing and this should be respected. If people want to live then that is up to them but it doesn't mean that they have any right to decide for others.

 

[SamTam33]

Because not everyone has a fully nihilistic view on life

Thats answer doesn't fit with the question though, does it.

Why should they be stopped if they want to die?

WTH does having a nihilistic view on life have to do with anything.

 

[Hell-On-Earth]

I've tried to kill myself before and I'm going to try again. Whether it's assisted or not, I'm going to do it anyway. The problem being of course that I could end up in a vegetative state due to brain damage. If assisted dying was legal for people like me it'd remove that worst case scenario.

 

[makethepainstop]

How many people will try to suicide, and fail. Only to live and find that they are now, blind, brain damaged, paralyzed, or missing limbs. So perhaps a legal humane and quick suicide assist pill might do some good. It's very complicated. I

 

[leeloosnow]

mounting frustrating makes it very tempting to destruct this cruel, egocentric and conformist statement but it truly is low hanging fruit.
don't like suicide? good, don't do it. it would be immoral of anyone to persuade you otherwise.
this is where mutual respect disappears, in regards to our disparate stances.

 

[Maudlin]

It should not be given to us

Lol

No one can give me something that has always been within arms' reach.

In the bedroom, in the bathroom, in the kitchen, in the yard, in the classroom, in the jail cell, in the padded room, out on the street, in the car, in the store, everywhere I go, I can meet my end countless ways by my own hand if I wish.

Life is a gift given to all of us. Death is, too.
No one can ever deny me, but me.
No one can legislate it away.

lmao

 

[Efilismislife]

Irresponsible breeding are glorified while its the most evil and root of all problems in the world

Births are normalized. Births are assisted by the hospitals. No one is forced to "earn" births. Parents aren't made to reflect on the consequences before squeezing out a baby.
Yet when it comes time to rectify the shitty choices of their parents, people are forced to "earn it."

Why?

Because not everyone has a fully nihilistic view on life

Tell that to millions of children being brought being abused, neglected, etc then some becomes criminal and destroy other people
All from bad irresponsible breeders parenting

Why should any of these scenarios be stopped? Not to sound like a broken record but mom and dad were likely just horny and screwed each other.

An orgasm lasts a few seconds and can result in birth. So why must the decision to die last any longer than orgasm?

Life is a gift given to all of us. Death is, too.
No one can ever deny me, but me.
No one can legislate it away.

lmao

If its a gift there wouldnt be many stressful, suffering creatures in the planet

Also we cant even choose our death

 

[akirat9]

It does not matter at all what you think. I can and will suicide. Opinion doesn't change any thing in reality. Simply put.

 

[Darkover]

everyone should have thier brithright to live or die its down to the individual choice and sucidie is easy it's just that they've got everything restricted via law
there's no point to living out your misery in this shithole hellhole when you can just cease to exist altogther

 

[leeloosnow]

Lol

No one can give me something that has always been within arms' reach.

In the bedroom, in the bathroom, in the kitchen, in the yard, in the classroom, in the jail cell, in the padded room, out on the street, in the car, in the store, everywhere I go, I can meet my end countless ways by my own hand if I wish.

Life is a gift given to all of us. Death is, too.
No one can ever deny me, but me.
No one can legislate it away.

lmao

imo
life is an accident (for better or for worse)
death is a promise

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Because not everyone has a fully nihilistic view on life

I mean I don't think that it would just be available to anyone. I'm sure if something like that were to come and effect you'd have to be a certain age and there would be certain requirements as in therapy for a certain amount of time or something like that to see if that's really the choice you want to make. Idk.

Irresponsible breeding are glorified while its the most evil and root of all problems in the world






Tell that to millions of children being brought being abused, neglected, etc then some becomes criminal and destroy other people
All from bad irresponsible breeders parenting


If its a gift there wouldnt be many stressful, suffering creatures in the planet

Also we cant even choose our death

Seems like there is a balance. If everything was perfect things would suck worse and we wouldn't know any different than the perfection we experience.

 

[Efilismislife]

Seems like there is a balance. If everything was perfect things would suck worse and we wouldn't know any different than the perfection we experience.

balance would be there would be no predator vs prey constantly, more powerful higher people/authority freely easily controlled, abused, stomp on the weaker?

Perfect is too grandious

at least less sufferings, more comfortable life for all

 

[Maudlin]

If its a gift there wouldnt be many stressful, suffering creatures in the planet

Also we cant even choose our death

We've all been given gifts we wanted to exchange, or return.

As to choice? We can. That's the point.

Nobody can stop us, if we so choose. This site, and the people on it, can direct you to dozens of "methods"... and yet the methods found easily here aren't but a drop in an ocean of ways to end it. Sandcastles, all of it.
The fact is there are tens of thousands of ways you can meet your end, by your hand-
and we'll all meet our end regardless.

The best thing about this site, for me is the reasons I've found in it to keep going.
Not too long ago, continuing to live was the hardest thing of all, for me.

Being here, with all of you helps me.
I'm a selfish bastard. lol

life is an accident (for better or for worse)
death is a promise

Got a certain poetry to it.
I like that.

 

[anyoneshorizon]

It does not matter at all what you think. I can and will suicide. Opinion doesn't change any thing in reality. Simply put.

I am not against suicide. I am planning on suicide. You've must of not understood I am against suicide being normalized and being something easily accessible to any person. Suicide is to me a last resort and final escape that takes a lot of research, evaluation, and thought. But if anyone could just get a pleasant suicide then they'll just kill themsleves over a bad day.

 

[Efilismislife]

We've all been given gifts we wanted to exchange, or return.

More like a curse tho

like gifting someone a painful punch

As to choice? We can. That's the point.

Nobody can stop us, if we so choose.

They ban N and many sources to more humane way to ctb. Making it almost impossible to access.

Criminalize suicide, condemning, and all the attack

even SS got attacked

 

[Maudlin]

that takes a lot of research, evaluation, and thought.

A wise way to approach it. Research it enough, and you'll realize it's always within arms' reach.
It changes the way you look at life...at least, it did for me.

More like a curse tho

like gifting someone a painful punch

I'm sorry it seems that way, for you. It sucks. I feel the same, sometimes... but sometimes I remember beautiful things, things that have intrinsic value that I did or was there for and can never be taken away.
And then my pain reminds me that those memories aren't now... and my pessimism and self pity kicks in and I feel much like you described, again. lol
Sandcastles... all of it.

They ban N and many sources to more humane way to ctb. Making it almost impossible to access.

Criminalize suicide, condemning, and all the attack

even SS got attacked

So what? Those aren't the only buses with open seats. lol
Another bus comes every 15 minutes, around here.

 

[SamTam33]

I am not against suicide. I am planning on suicide. You've must of not understood I am against suicide being normalized and being something easily accessible to any person. Suicide is to me a last resort and final escape that takes a lot of research, evaluation, and thought. But if anyone could just get a pleasant suicide then they'll just kill themsleves over a bad day.

So? Bad days can be the beginning of a shitty life.

Who are we to "regulate" what's suicide-worthy?

It's not like that will be the last bad day a person has. Why should they be forced to stick around for more?

You can get into a car accident, lose your job or contract HIV - all on a bad day.

Sounds like you'd want people to REALLY suffer before they try and access suicide. Sounds sadistic.

 

[chloramine]

Something forced on you that you actively don't want isn't a gift- it's an obligation. I do believe there's good things in life and that life as a whole has beauty. It doesn't take away from the fact that for I and many others here it's also primarily pain. And yeah theoretically we could bite our tongue off or slash our own throats, but those aren't doable for some people. I think that's more due to those methods being easier for some than it is people who can't manage them being in less pain.

Having a process that lets people access a peaceful death gives some people in the same amount of pain the option. Also it seems cruel to force people to be so desperate for so long that they will do anything to make it stop. Imposing an outside set of ideas on who's suffered 'enough' to qualify feels messed up. Most people aren't racing off to kill themself anytime something goes wrong. Usually by the time it's reached that point there's several compounding factors. Not always, but usually.

I don't think people here think you should just be able to pick up a death pill at your local cornerstore. Most people here seem more in favour of some process that doesn't outright deny anyone, but that has some safeguards in place. Right now not only does that not exist, but people are often punished for wanting to die. If you get caught planning or if you fail an attempt you can be forced into spaces where your rights are effectively suspended that can cause further trauma.

 

[Maudlin]

Who are we to "regulate" what's suicide-worthy?

Who better, but the suicidal? lol

There should be obvious limits, but the fact is there aren't and can never be. It's a non-argument OP has there.
Death is literally everywhere you look, if you have the eyes to see. This life is dangerous... none have yet made it out alive, unless you believe some few obscure religious texts.

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And yeah theoretically we could bite our tongue off or slash our own throats

Ugh, my mind rarely goes to such places, but yes... those are valid methods.

you should just be able to pick up a death pill at your local cornerstore.

Truly, the "twitter" of suicide. lol

The only thing separating anyone from "a peaceful death" by their own hand is lack of knowledge.
Ignorance, plain and simple.

Ignorance can be remedied. Once remedied, it is by force of will alone that any of us live.

 

[jodes2]

It's my body. I should be able to do what I want with it.

 

[Efilismislife]

Something forced on you that you actively don't want isn't a gift- it's an obligation

theoretically we could bite our tongue off or slash our own throats, but those aren't doable for some people.

Right now not only does that not exist, but people are often punished for wanting to die. If you get caught planning or if you fail an attempt you can be forced into spaces where your rights are effectively suspended that can cause further trauma.

Indeed

The only thing separating anyone from "a peaceful death" by their own hand is lack of knowledge.
Ignorance, plain and simple.

Ignorance can be remedied. Once remedied, it is by force of will alone that any of us live.

Which peaceful death that is not hard to obtain?
Its almost impossible for some that still stuck

Not everybody be able to gain access to the method or incapable to, some who are bed bound or having brain fogs, low intelligence, costly, etc etc

 

[Maudlin]

Indeed

Which peaceful death that is not hard to obtain?
Its almost impossible for some that still stuck

Not everybody be able to gain access to the method or incapable to, some who are bed bound or having brain fogs, low intelligence, costly, etc etc

Well, I suppose it would be "hard" for me, because I can't walk far before the pain becomes near unbearable...
but on a good day, lets' say I could go for an hour long walk and collect enough herbs and such to make quite a concoction, were I to desire to do so.
I could even select the particular manner and details in that last final walk. I could cover my heart, my respiratory system, my nervous system... all with the things that grow in the yards and fields around me. I could design it to be fast or slow, ranging from minutes to weeks. Delirium? Yes. If I wish. Hallucinations? Sure. Rapid unconsciousness? I don't even have to leave the yard, for a couple of those. So few antidotes for such things. Such things are often the source for Big Pharmas' bestsellers, but they don't want you to know that.

From what I've read, there are few people that don't have such resources available in their part of the world. I suppose there are a few arctic and desert dwellers out there... but I'd bet they could find it, too.

That's assuming you'd bother to go that route. Perhaps you can't, for whatever reason, boil water or do a cold extraction. Everyone here is on an electronic device... all have access to current. The wire you use to plug that device in just might be giving you sinister thoughts. God forbid you confuse and commingle your cleaning products... seriously, the end is stalking you. It's all around you.

And it will catch you one day. If you don't just jump into its' arms, first.

Are you starting to get the picture? I'll not make it any clearer than that. After all, I'm not here to help you die. I'd rather you didn't. I'd rather you learn more and realize why you want to live... and just how complete your control is over whether you bother to keep breathing, or not.

It's nice to not have that anxiety.
At the same time it sucks, because you can no longer lie to yourself about why you still live.
But it's alright. Just another aspect of existence.

It's always better to live in truth, than illusion.

 

[Efilismislife]

Have you seen many people experience/ a big list of failures and suffer the consequence that people going through by trying this and that and that terrorising too

all because they cut access to 'more humane way to ctb'

some people stuck/suffer in agony

Well, I suppose it would be "hard" for me, because I can't walk far before the pain becomes near unbearable...
but on a good day, lets' say I could go for an hour long walk and collect enough herbs and such to make quite a concoction, were I to desire to do so.
I could even select the particular manner and details in that last final walk. I could cover my heart, my respiratory system, my nervous system... all with the things that grow in the yards and fields around me. I could design it to be fast or slow, ranging from minutes to weeks. Delirium? Yes. If I wish. Hallucinations? Sure. Rapid unconsciousness? I don't even have to leave the yard, for a couple of those. So few antidotes for such things. Such things are often the source for Big Pharmas' bestsellers, but they don't want you to know that.

From what I've read, there are few people that don't have such resources available in their part of the world. I suppose there are a few arctic and desert dwellers out there... but I'd bet they could find it, too.

That's assuming you'd bother to go that route. Perhaps you can't, for whatever reason, boil water or do a cold extraction. Everyone here is on an electronic device... all have access to current. The wire you use to plug that device in just might be giving you sinister thoughts. God forbid you confuse and commingle your cleaning products... seriously, the end is stalking you. It's all around you.

And it will catch you one day. If you don't just jump into its' arms, first.

Are you starting to get the picture? I'll not make it any clearer than that. After all, I'm not here to help you die. I'd rather you didn't. I'd rather you learn more and realize why you want to live... and just how complete your control is over whether you bother to keep breathing, or not.

It's nice to not have that anxiety.
At the same time it sucks, because you can no longer lie to yourself about why you still live.
But it's alright. Just another aspect of existence.

It's always better to live in truth, than illusion.

 

[Maudlin]

Have you seen many people experience/ a big list of failures and suffer the consequence that people going through by trying this and that and that terrorising too

all because they cut access to 'more humane way to ctb'

some people stuck/suffer in agony

I've seen two failed suicide attempts in person, other than my own. Add my own, I've seen four.
I've seen the consequences of failure.
I understand agony.

 

[Pluto]

The current state of affairs is not based on any sort of humane rationale of caring for the individual. It is a happenstance default based on the culture and politics of the day. It is nothing to be proud of.

Some people are facing a lifetime of pain, a morbid fact that most people do not wish to think about, let alone bring into mainstream political debate. Religious interest groups full of ignorant zeal have much to say about denying bodily autonomy to strangers, and easily dominate debates in the absence of any opposition.

Having a process by which an individual's choice to die can be given consideration over time would prevent the mess of damage from failed attempts, trauma to those finding corpses in various states of decomposition and shock to others in the community who had no forewarning. Individual cases might still fall through the cracks, but at least a reasonable effort would be made by society to support the choices of people with extremely low quality of life.