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Kyotospade

Kyotospade

The Angel of Death
Jan 5, 2025
297
I finally confessed my plans to end myself to my fiance well more like forced to ...and he was on board as long as he went with me.
I don't know how to feel about it all , I'd be dragging down one of the people I care about the most with me . I know he'd ctb if I did it alone but together I wouldnt be alone... what are all of you all take on this?
 
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conflagration

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Jul 29, 2022
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In my opinion, suicide should be a solitary act - because after death you won't be together anyway.
 
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Dopamine_Junkie44

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Nov 12, 2023
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Do you think he has a free will in this case? Or does he act out of fear of the pain of living without you? I respect the free will of other people very much.

Considering I don't know anything about your background: does it open new possibilities that he is in on your plans?

Is there a way, besides leaving together, that you can look at?
 
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Kyotospade

The Angel of Death
Jan 5, 2025
297
In my opinion, suicide should be a solitary act - because after death you won't be together anyway.
I understand that but wouldn't it be easier on him to go with me so he doesn't have to grieve my death?
 
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Dopamine_Junkie44

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Nov 12, 2023
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In my opinion, suicide should be a solitary act - because after death you won't be together anyway.
I have a different opinion.

But he has the right to decide that he wants to live. He might be able to get through the pain.
you certainly have thought well and long about it. He only just started thinking about it. His decision might not be as solid as yours. Please consider this.
 
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Kyotospade

The Angel of Death
Jan 5, 2025
297
I have a different opinion.

But he has the right to decide that he wants to live. He might be able to get through the pain.
As someone whose survived from a attempt with ... someone else's suicide I'd say no , it's what's obviously is leading me to ctb myself.
 
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Unspoken7612

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Jul 14, 2024
421
There is serious legal jeopardy if either of you "assists" or "encourages" the other's suicide (for instance, by allowing them to use some SN you have bought, or by being part of a suicide pact) and then survives your own attempt.

Committing suicide should be an individual choice. If you're worried about the impact it would have on him, that's valid, and something you should seriously consider.
 
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Praestat_Mori

Mori praestat, quam haec pati!
May 21, 2023
12,013
Is your fiance suicidal? Passive/active ideation?

The loss of someone close to us can break people and they don't see everything from a rational POV anymore, they can't bc of grief and the loss.

It's an unsolvable problem bc someone will suffer in one way or another.

Suicide together comes with big risks - especially if one survives. On the other hand if a loving couple commits suicide together they can stay united in death in the world but what comes after death is subject to personal beliefs.

Idk what is best or worst. It's a very tough situation you're in. I'm sorry.
 
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ringo99

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Apr 18, 2023
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You're both adults and free to make your own decisions. But have a long, serious talk with him first to make sure that he's 100% serious about ctbing with you
 
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Apr 8, 2024
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I feel like sn is one of the worst methods to do at the same time with another person because of how long it takes to pass out, I feel like seeing another person puking and struggling while you do the same will double your own SI as you might get the urge to save the other one, maybe it works if you do lots of benzos, but meh. I feel like most methods don't work well with another person.
 
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Kyotospade

The Angel of Death
Jan 5, 2025
297
Do you think he has a free will in this case? Or does he act out of fear of the pain of living without you? I respect the free will of other people very much.

Considering I don't know anything about your background: does it open new possibilities that he is in on your plans?

Is there a way, besides leaving together, that you can look at?
He wants to die and me being suicidal just happened to be a coincidence.
There is serious legal jeopardy if either of you "assists" or "encourages" the other's suicide (for instance, by allowing them to use some SN you have bought, or by being part of a suicide pact) and then survives your own attempt.

Committing suicide should be an individual choice. If you're worried about the impact it would have on him, that's valid, and something you should seriously consider.
Neither one of us would survive
Is your fiance suicidal? Passive/active ideation?

The loss of someone close to us can break people and they don't see everything from a rational POV anymore, they can't bc of grief and the loss.

It's an unsolvable problem bc someone will suffer in one way or another.

Suicide together comes with big risks - especially if one survives. On the other hand if a loving couple commits suicide together they can stay united in death in the world but what comes after death is subject to personal beliefs.

Idk what is best or worst. It's a very tough situation you're in. I'm sorry.
He is , but he never had the means to do anything until now.
You're both adults and free to make your own decisions. But have a long, serious talk with him first to make sure that he's 100% serious about ctbing with you
We've talked deeply about it . He's still on board
I feel like sn is one of the worst methods to do at the same time with another person because of how long it takes to pass out, I feel like seeing another person puking and struggling while you do the same will double your own SI as you might get the urge to save the other one, maybe it works if you do lots of benzos, but meh. I feel like most methods don't work well with another person.
Once we start we aren't going back
 
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Languish

A Flower of Flesh and Blood
Feb 7, 2025
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One thing I have noted is many men tend to say that the lack of companionship, a lasting love, is the primary factor in suicide, and that if they weren't so lonely, they would want to live. I feel this applies here. He wants to die only because you want to die. If he was suicidal before, it was much more passive - the revelation of your loss activated it. He would likely opt to choose a long fulfilling life in which he was able to love and care for you.

This may seem unfair to you, but in essence you choosing to end yourself, is heavily influencing his decision to end himself. In a way, by choosing to kill yourself, you are choosing to kill the one you love, who would have chose life if it meant living it with you. You are his purpose and he has decided he does not have a function without that purpose.

This is where relationship dynamics become tricky for those who are suicidal. It is an unfortunate biproduct. Those who are alone/lonely and don't have a significant other, especially one who is suicidal, can more accurately make the decision for themselves without outside influence. I think in this case, I personally would choose to bear the weight of existence, to protect the one I love, as I wouldn't want to be responsible for their death. In the end, only the individual can decide what they are willing to bear, and their life is their own to live or die as they wish. It is just a shame that our decisions can influence others. I hate the idea of breaking someone I love, and having them follow me in death. I bear a guilty enough conscience, I do not wish to take someone, who means so much to me, with me when I go. I would rather be tortured for an eternity, just so they could live a single good lifetime.
 
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Kyotospade

The Angel of Death
Jan 5, 2025
297
One thing I have noted is many men tend to say that the lack of companionship, a lasting love, is the primary factor in suicide, and that if they weren't so lonely, they would want to live. I feel this applies here. He wants to die only because you want to die. If he was suicidal before, it was much more passive - the revelation of your loss activated it. He would likely opt to choose a long fulfilling life in which he was able to love and care for you.

This may seem unfair to you, but in essence you choosing to end yourself, is heavily influencing his decision to end himself. In a way, by choosing to kill yourself, you are choosing to kill the one you love, who would have chose life if it meant living it with you. You are his purpose and he has decided he does not have a function without that purpose.

This is where relationship dynamics become tricky for those who are suicidal. It is an unfortunate biproduct. Those who are alone/lonely and don't have a significant other, especially one who is suicidal, can more accurately make the decision for themselves without outside influence. I think in this case, I personally would choose to bear the weight of existence, to protect the one I love, as I wouldn't want to be responsible for their death. In the end, only the individual can decide what they are willing to bear, and their life is their own to live or die as they wish. It is just a shame that our decisions can influence others. I hate the idea of breaking someone I love, and having them follow me in death. I bear a guilty enough conscience, I do not wish to take someone, who means so much to me, with me when I go. I would rather be tortured for an eternity, just so they could live a single good lifetime.
He's been suicidal , he's told me that he didn't wnat to live past a certain age . I guess I'm just giving him a reason to go through with it .
 
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Unspoken7612

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Jul 14, 2024
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Neither one of us would survive
My understanding is that SN has a success rate of something like 90% (based on documented cases). If I've got that right, it means that there's only an 81% chance of you both dying. Nobody who attempts thinks that they'll be one of the ones who survives, but a proportion of people either find it so uncomfortable that they call for medical help, or are discovered and treated.

If nothing else, seriously consider the possibility that you might survive. It is a "risk" you should prepare for.
 
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soonatpeace777888

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Jul 4, 2023
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If he's with you and backs out, he could go to prison.
 
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OminousDarkness

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Jan 23, 2025
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This sounds really toxic. You should just CTB alone if that's what you want.
 
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ForgottenAgain

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Oct 17, 2023
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I wouldn't do it together. No one can guarantee you'll both die and if one survives, the survivor is legally in a horrible situation as they can be charged with assisting a suicide and go to prison.

I know you said he already was suicidal but, just like you mentioned, you wanting to ctb seems to have triggered his want to ctb too. Potentially, if you don't ctb, he may not do it so therefore, your decision is influencing his indirectly.
Besides the legally tricky situation and the horribleness of seeing each other struggle until you both perish, I don't think it's a good idea to go together, even if he wants to ctb as much as you. It is too risky and traumatic.
 
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Kyotospade

The Angel of Death
Jan 5, 2025
297
My understanding is that SN has a success rate of something like 90% (based on documented cases). If I've got that right, it means that there's only an 81% chance of you both dying. Nobody who attempts thinks that they'll be one of the ones who survives, but a proportion of people either find it so uncomfortable that they call for medical help, or are discovered and treated.

If nothing else, seriously consider the possibility that you might survive. It is a "risk" you should prepare for.
I've done a suicide pact before with a od on a mixed assortment of pills... we both survived so ... I understand in a way I understand
 
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charcoalcat

Member
Apr 17, 2018
99
I finally confessed my plans to end myself to my fiance well more like forced to ...and he was on board as long as he went with me.
I don't know how to feel about it all , I'd be dragging down one of the people I care about the most with me . I know he'd ctb if I did it alone but together I wouldnt be alone... what are all of you all take on this?
I think it's the most romantic thing I've heard
 
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WatchmeBurn

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Apr 26, 2023
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Don't rush into things. It could just be impulse/emotional response and it'd be immoral to allow the flood of emotions he probably felt hearing you wanting to die to dictate his fate. You only die once, there's time to think about it and consider the implications of him doing it seriously.
 
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grapevoid

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Jan 30, 2025
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It's against the rules for us to ask for or give advice outside of factual information.

The facts are
- Suicide pacts/assisting in a suicide are illegal in most places.
- some people survive
- If he survives, he will lose you and could potentially be in some serious trouble for assisting your suicide
- Only he can truly know if he would have chosen this had you not come to him with your plan.
- It is inherently toxic/unhealthy to react to your loved one choosing to die by suicide with encouragement or dismissiveness.

Sorry, I know that's not what people want to hear here usually, but that's the reality. Unless you and him both have a terminal illness, no one can deny this is highly toxic.
 
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waterrrrrrrrrbottel

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Jul 18, 2022
219
well you're at a point where his willingness to ctb is a consequence of you confessing your plans to him, one way or another. so do you really leave him with a choice?
 
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eliosilver99

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Oct 23, 2024
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I don't think this is a good idea. The whole ethos here is that suicide should be everyone's free choice. This isn't free — if he's so dependent on you that he'd die without you, then proposing a suicide pact is unintentionally coercive.
 
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