Resource My Exit Bag Setup

[LADY007]

With a bag over the head it seems much more likely you will be inhaling pure nitrogen than with a mask on the face allowing in room air. I'm just afraid of ripping the bag off my head when I breath in my own carbon dioxide. I could even do that while semi conscious.

I am waiting to hear from anyone who has tried a plastic bag over the head without any gas in it, just room air. I want to know if I'm the only one who can't stand it after two exhalations into the bag.

Very smart. Have you worked out how to create the bag and regulator and tubing? You sound like you have it all ready and I'm struggling to figure out the entire setup. You can PM me if you want, it might help me out a lot.

The best way ......search YouTube for "Do it Yourself With Betty" video, watch that and then read the previous entries here in Sanctioned Suicide. Some members have previously posted detailed descriptions that really make it clear how to create
an Exit Bag (Nitrogen Hood)

 

[Greenberg]

@Diver_K_A... Thank you. I appreciate your data from having tested it out both ways.

I'm curious what you would say... No matter what the method, bag or mask (I'm using a bag)... How long after one initiates the process is too long? Say 60 or 90 seconds...? If one isn't unconscious WITHIN WHAT TIME-FRAME, would you say that... something's wrong... one needs to stop, shut it down, pull-off the mask/bag, and re-evaluate?

@Meditation guide, When using a bag only (without inert gas purging) you're talking about an entirely different method. The inert gas method with a bag BOTH prevents oxygen from getting in AND removes (purges out of the bag) any carbon dioxide one exhales.

Our bodies can't so much detect the absence of oxygen -- as the buildup of carbon dioxide (that's what triggers the unpleasant feelings you felt... too much carbon dioxide).

@Greenberg, you seem sure. And, as I said, you are the authority on your own ctb. Might I suggest you at least consider putting a bag over your mask setup? Combining your mask with a bag should be possible. This way you can still use your mask, but have "insurance" if, for example, your body shifts and the mask starts leaking after you lose consciousness. Just a suggestion....

Thank you. Cheers.

@Greenberg your Website looks great!


@profoundexperience @Diver_K_A , @Greenberg @LADY007 and to all , I reccomend getting a pulse oximeter that goes around your finger to test your oxygen saturation level . Usually below 60% and your're ready to go unconscoius. so this is a way to test your set up but don't let it go too low because you'll go unconscoius . oxygen saturation levels are normally around 99% 98% .

You can test your setup with a pulse oximeter. It gives you your oxygen blood saturation levels. But don't let it go below 60% as most go unconscious below 60% but even 70% could be getting close to unconscious level. it's only $29 on amazon . i just ordered mine.
if your oxygen level is dropping then you know your setup is working.

I'm going to get this done! I'm going to get it to work for me!

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Great idea!

 

[profoundexperience]

There is also a good thread here: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-megathread.8393/

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I reccomend getting a pulse oximeter that goes around your finger to test your oxygen saturation level

That's a good suggestion. In the book I recommended, the author says unconsciousness can come-on very, VERY quickly and often without much notice... kinda a sudden "lights out". I DO ABSOLUTELY RECOMMEND THE FIVE LAST ACTS BOOK... It's expensive, but so clear & gave me a lot of understanding & ~complete confidence.

There may be a delay between when one's blood-ox drops actually and it shows-up on the pulse oximeter... and the blood has a further distance to travel to reach one's finger versus one's brain. I'm not saying it's a bad idea to measure one's blood-ox... just that there are possible complications.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

That's a good suggestion. In the book I recommended, the author says unconsciousness can come-on very, VERY quickly and often without much notice... kinda a sudden "lights out". I DO ABSOLUTELY RECOMMEND THE FIVE LAST ACTS BOOK... It's expensive, but so clear & gave me a lot of understanding & ~complete confidence.

There may be a delay between when one's blood-ox drops actually and it shows-up on the pulse oximeter... and the blood has a further distance to travel to reach one's finger versus one's brain. I'm not saying it's a bad idea to measure one's blood-ox... just that there are possible complications.
There is also a good thread here: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-megathread.8393/

Yeah i'm doing a nitrogen mask so i'll just hold the mask to my face with my hand to do tests and if i pass out then i'll just fall on the mat and the mask will fall away from me . I just want the oximeter to see if my oxygen levels drop. There is a range of from 99% to 55% of counscousness. but i said 60% to give people a cushion. but yes be extremely carefull and leave yourself a way to get oxygen like a hole in the bag . or just fill a small bag with nitrogen like a baloon and inhale it just to test but be extremely careful as we don't know how fast the oximeter will respond but like i said there is a range of 99% to 55 % and you do have about 20 seconds at minimum imo of leeway. I just want to try it for about 5 to 10 seconds see it my oxygen levels drop.

@profoundexperience Five Last acts book. who is the author of that book so i can find it on the internet?

 

[profoundexperience]

How long after one initiates the process is too long? Say 60 or 90 seconds...? If one isn't unconscious WITHIN WHAT TIME-FRAME, would you say that... something's wrong... one needs to stop, shut it down, pull-off the mask/bag, and re-evaluate?

In my first test the gas flow was at 15lpm and I would say plastic bag was around 1-1.5 finger wide around my neck however after 30 seconds I just got a slightly light headed so I knew immediately air is getting in.
Subsequently, I increased the Argon flow to 20lpm and made the bag slightly tighter and that was it.
After 20-25 seconds I got to the verge of unconsciousness and immediately pulled the bag out.

I think I'm going to use ~60 seconds as my "GO, NO-GO": If I'm not unconscious in 60 seconds, I'm doing something wrong and I must "abort". Do you think that's reasonable, @Diver_K_A? I really respect your opinion.

Bear in mind I emptied the air in the bag before I pulled it over my head also emptied the air in my lungs so from the first moment I inhaled only pure Argon.
It is extremely important to make sure air is eliminated otherwise the whole thing could be jeopardised.
My concern around masks is purely based on experiments I did which proved to be impractical (at least in my case).
Also I heavily breathed in as soon as I pulled the bag down to get as much as Argon into my lungs.

According to the Five Last Acts book, you are doing everything, perfectly "spot-on":

1. Strongly, completely exhale = in all cases, one is trying to eliminate as much oxygen and carbon dioxide from the system as possible.
2. "Squish" all the air out & flatten the bag (as much as possible), just before pulling it down.
3. When the bag starts filling deeply inhale the inert gas.
4. "Lights out" in usually under 60 seconds.

@profoundexperience Five Last acts book. who is the author of that book so i can find it on the internet?

Docker & just search on A for "Five Last Acts". Info also in the SS Wiki.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

I think I'm going to use ~60 seconds as my "GO, NO-GO": If I'm not unconscious in 60 seconds, I'm doing something wrong and I must "abort". Do you think that's reasonable, @Diver_K_A? I really respect your opinion.


According to the Five Last Acts book, you are doing everything, perfectly "spot-on":

1. Strongly, completely exhale = in all cases, one is trying to eliminate as much oxygen and carbon dioxide from the system as possible.
2. "Squish" all the air out & flatten the bag (as much as possible), just before pulling it down.
3. When the bag starts filling deeply inhale the inert gas.
4. "Lights out" in usually under 60 seconds.

Docker & just search on A for "Five Last Acts". Info also in the SS Wiki.

In my understanding the amount of time before the full unconsciousness is dependent on the inert gas flow rate as well as the amount of air left if the bag and your lungs.
But if you pay attention to the 3 points above under no circumstances it should take more than 40 seconds max before unconsciousness occurs so 60 seconds is 100% the threshold and a safe bet.

 

[LADY007]

Thank you. Cheers.

Great idea!

Very cool idea !! Thank you. I have one I purchased for checking for corona virus. Now I use it after exercise.

 

[Greenberg]

In my understanding the amount of time before full consciousness is dependent on the inert gas flow rate as well as the amount of air left if the bag and your lungs.
But if you pay attention to the 3 points above under no circumstances it should take more than 40 seconds max before unconsciousness occurs so 60 seconds is 100% the threshold and a safe bet.

It feels a bit long. I would say by 10-15 seconds unconsciousness should preside. At the 1 minute mark, I would assume there was residual oxygen in the bag or mask to sustain consciousness.

 

[Deleted-User-0]

It feels a bit long. I would say by 10-15 seconds unconsciousness should preside. At the 1 minute mark, I would assume there was residual oxygen in the bag or mask to sustain consciousness.

As I said that's the worst case scenario.
20-30 seconds when everything is spot on.
Reality is different from the text book you put things into practice and that's the whole new experience.

 

[profoundexperience]

if you pay attention to the 3 points above ... 60 seconds

Thank you very much, @Diver_K_A!

Since I'm going to use "good protocols" (the 3 points)... I agree & will use 60 seconds as my "Go, No-Go".

It feels a bit long. I would say by 10-15 seconds unconsciousness should preside. At the 1 minute mark, I would assume there was residual oxygen in the bag or mask to sustain consciousness.

I rechecked the book I used & here's an excerpt of what Docker had to say. As @Diver_K_A said, it is dependent on flow rate and how much residual oxygen/CO2 there is (before they get purged by the inert gas).

 

[Deleted-User-0]

Thank you very much, @Diver_K_A!

Since I'm going to use "good protocols" (the 3 points)... I agree & will use 60 seconds as my "Go, No-Go".

I rechecked the book I used & here's an excerpt of what Docker had to say. As @Diver_K_A said, it is dependent on flow rate and how much residual oxygen/CO2 there is (before they get purged by the inert gas).

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It's very rare to see individuals like you on this platform who put enough time and effort to research and understand a method throughly to minimise all the risks.
A lot of preparation is required to feel comfortable in that specific moment.
Simplicity is the key stick to the rules that have been tested and experimented for decades rather than trying an unproven, fancy method.
All the best.

 

[Deleted member 18655]

It's very rare to see individuals like you on this platform who put enough time and effort to research and understand a method throughly to minimise all the risks.

Are you kidding me?!?! This site, for most, is about nothing but research, fuelled by time and effort, exactly to minimise the risks.

Forgive me, everyone, I should never have come out of my warm little corner of cynicism. I'll stay in there. Tomorrow

 

[Deleted-User-0]

Are you kidding me?!?! This site, for most, is about nothing but research, fuelled by time and effort, exactly to minimise the risks.

Forgive me, everyone, I should never have come out of my warm little corner of cynicism. I'll stay in there. Tomorrow

I don't know where you got the "most" from. My statement was purely based on observation. Just to give you an idea there is a megathread about SN written by Stan that goes through every single step and answers every single question one might have about the subject in depth yet on a daily basis there are multiple new threads asking the most basic questions already discussed in details in the previous threads/megathreads up to an extent that it totally became a joke.

 

[endergames]

Many forum members have sought clarifications on the Exit Bag method over the past week.

To aid their research, I have illustrated my personal setup via a diagram. My choice of components was based on weeks of research and confirmations from medical personnel from 2 local hospitals. I am confident that the setup illustrated will work as intended and ensure a peaceful and painless exit.

The setup schematic is available now on Blogspot. My handle is "nitrogenexit". I chose to use blogspot because I am not permitted to post website links, or sources of ANY kind. I realize I am being cryptic here; but if you do have difficulty in finding it, please feel free to PM me.

I hope I can be of service. Cheers!

@Greenberg, thank you so much for sharing your exit bag set up. I and many other forum members genuinely appreciate it. It certainly clarified many questions I'd.

I do have one question tho: what is your reasoning for choosing a medical regulator when an industrial version is available for a much lower price?

Again, many thanks for sharing your insights to the exit bag!

Best regards.

 

[Joerg.buechner86]

In my first test the gas flow was at 15lpm and I would say plastic bag was around 1-1.5 finger wide around my neck however after 30 seconds I just got a slightly light headed so I knew immediately air is getting in.
Subsequently, I increased the Argon flow to 20lpm and made the bag slightly tighter and that was it.
After 20-25 seconds I got to the verge of unconsciousness and immediately pulled the bag out. Bear in mind I emptied the air in the bag before I pulled it over my head also emptied the air in my lungs so from the first moment I inhaled only pure Argon.
It is extremely important to make sure air is eliminated otherwise the whole thing could be jeopardised.
My concern around masks is purely based on experiments I did which proved to be impractical (at least in my case).
Also I heavily breathed in as soon as I pulled the bag down to get as much as Argon into my lungs.

Hey I have a question regarding the setup. How can excessive gas leak the bag when the bottom of the bag is tied to the neck? Or should there be some space between the bag and the neck, so that the gas can evade? Would be glad if you could help me

 

[Deleted-User-0]

Hey I have a question regarding the setup. How can excessive gas leak the bag when the bottom of the bag is tied to the neck? Or should there be some space between the bag and the neck, so that the gas can evade? Would be glad if you could help me

I think the best word is snug. It shouldn't be too tight or too loose if too tight bag might blow up as gas is coming in and can't escape if too loose air would get in and mess up the whole thing.
In the textbook it says around 1 finger gap I personally went slightly tighter with higher gas pressure in my test and worked out well.

 

[Joerg.buechner86]

I think the best word is snug. It shouldn't be too tight or too loose if too tight bag might blow up as gas is coming in and can't escape if too loose air would get in and mess up the whole thing.
In the textbook it says around 1 finger gap I personally went slightly tighter with higher gas pressure in my test and worked out well.

Ok, thank you for the information

 

[Greenberg]

@Greenberg, thank you so much for sharing your exit bag set up. I and many other forum members genuinely appreciate it. It certainly clarified many questions I'd.

I do have one question tho: what is your reasoning for choosing a medical regulator when an industrial version is available for a much lower price?

Again, many thanks for sharing your insights to the exit bag!

Best regards.

I have updated my blog addressing the question you had posed. Cheers.

 

[somuchpain]

Many forum members have sought clarifications on the Exit Bag method over the past week.

To aid their research, I have illustrated my personal setup via a diagram. My choice of components was based on weeks of research and confirmations from medical personnel from 2 local hospitals. I am confident that the setup illustrated will work as intended and ensure a peaceful and painless exit.

The setup schematic is available now on Blogspot. My handle is "nitrogenexit". I chose to use blogspot because I am not permitted to post website links, or sources of ANY kind. I realize I am being cryptic here; but if you do have difficulty in finding it, please feel free to PM me.

I hope I can be of service. Cheers!

I've read through all the information on your blog (as well as the Handbook). Thank you so much for your work and effort in creating such an exceptional resource. I've got a fully charged 20cf nitrogen (pure) tank and will be buying an Escmode regulator. They also offer a NRB mask. I suspect that's better than anything I might construct. Are you aware of any SS members that have purchased it? Any further general thoughts about NRB v Bag? Having the bag filled (a clear "ready to go" indicator) and then slipping it down after a bit of hyperventilation seems a solid process. Is it possible that leads to hypoxia faster than a NRB mask?

I will also be putting my setup through the paces in a test run. Are there any specific things to pay attention to during a practice run?

Thanks again for your blog and the assistance you have provided here on SS. It's commendable.

 

[Greenberg]

Thank you so much for your positive feedback on my blog!! It is my modest attempt to contribute to the community.

The Exit Bag method is an effective means to CBT.

Should you have any questions, please feel free to PM me. (Please bear in mind that you would need to post several messages prior to your PM function is activated.) Best regards!

 

[new.solution1]

Can somebody PM a link to the diagram in the blog? I'm having trouble finding it...

 

[Greenberg]

It is under my photo.

 

[new.solution1]

I know, I'm having trouble finding it on the blog itself

 

[raghu1977]

I'm a professional diver if my masks couldn't provide proper sealing around the face (obviously they would under water pressure) a non-rebreather mask wouldn't be able to for sure.
This ,in my opinion, is highly risky method. You get air leaking in the result is brain damage and possibly a more horrible experience than before.
I don't understand if one is so serious not using a fully reliable and tested method such a exit bag? Because it doesn't look comfortable on your face for 20 seconds? I like to hear your reasons

This! Wish I could upvote this a 100 times.

I tried to use a Non rebreather mask with nitrogen. I hooked up everything and stretched out for a nap on the couch expecting to never wake up.

30 minutes later I wake up with a crick in my neck.

Non-rebreather masks let in too much air. There is no way to CTB.

I think you need an SCBA or SCUBA mask. Or an exit bag. CPAP masks if they can form a tight seal could work too i guess.

But just an NRB... make sure you have some tylenol for when you wake up.

 

[GasMonkey]

@Greenberg is this the demand valve on your current setup?

 

[GhostNote]

I was not a member here and kind of cobbled my setup together over time before joining. Now I'm wondering what issues it could present after reading about all these much better thought out setups.

I purchased an 80c tank of helium from a local industrial gas dealer.

After trying some plastic tubing there was no control of the flow. I found a regulator that fit the tank on A, but it is for Argon. Here is a picture of the regulator


It mentions carbon monoxide and it's measure appears to be PSI.

Admittedly, I am a simple man and how to understand the conversion and setting up the flow rate for this is beyond me really.

Can someone eli5 this for me?

 

[GasMonkey]

That valve is a CGA-580 right? Looks like that regulator is compatible with Argon/CO₂/Helium. It should work fine at 15 LPM.

I think that post would be better in the megathread than here.

 

[GhostNote]

That valve is a CGA-580 right? Looks like that regulator is compatible with Argon/CO₂/Helium. It should work fine at 15 LPM.

I think that post would be better in the megathread than here.

Yeah, sorry I wasn't really familiar with the site.

 

[GhostNote]

That valve is a CGA-580 right? Looks like that regulator is compatible with Argon/CO₂/Helium. It should work fine at 15 LPM.

I think that post would be better in the megathread than here.

So mine does appear to be this model, but it says SCFH, where I see others online say LPM. So is it the same then? Or is there a conversion?

 

[GasMonkey]

There are calculators on the interwebs where you can convert LPM to CFH.
15 LPM = 31.78 CFH