My belief on life after death

[ElevenNine]

We are all comprised completely of particles. Our brain waves are essentially just electrons moving at certain speeds, our blood pumping is the movement of certain molecules bonded in a certain way. Even our memories are, at the atomic level, just groups of atoms rearranging based on how our senses send electrons to us. Then, would it not theoretically be possible to create a human out of only the elements and maybe a few electrons? No, I'm not talking about something like cloning. I mean a grown adult made completely synthetically, and most importantly, with memories already implanted. There are no laws preventing such a feat from being done; only technological limitations.

But meticulously crafting every molecular bond seems nearly impossible. And, I expect, it will be for humans. But not for quantum mechanics. Quantum tunneling allows molecules to seemingly teleport from one place to another. The possibility of a human materializing is of course astronomically low. It's said the event of a single water molecule teleporting a metre or so won't happen until the heat death of the universe. But it's not like the universe stops existing after the heat death. Subatomic particles still exist, if across unimaginable distances. There's always a non-zero chance of this happening.

I see death as a temorary switching off of consciousness, like sleeping. I believe you will eventually wake up, that your physical assembly is inevitable given enough time. Of course, you'd exist in a void' so you'd die again pretty quickly. But given yet more time, wouldn't it be possible to emerge into an entire solar system crafted by quantum mechanics? If so, you'd wake up to find the world as it was. And in the trillions of possible worlds to wake up to, I believe there must be at least one in which life is better thepan it was before. Remember, at these ridiculous probabilities literally anything becomes possible.

Although I am an atheist, I still believe there is something for each of us after death. Not anything like heaven or hell, or even reincarnation in the common sense. Another life, while still retaining the same memories(or without them, if you prefer it that way). A better future, perhaps?

 

[lunar02102009]

We are all comprised completely of particles. Our brain waves are essentially just electrons moving at certain speeds, our blood pumping is the movement of certain molecules bonded in a certain way. Even our memories are, at the atomic level, just groups of atoms rearranging based on how our senses send electrons to us. Then, would it not theoretically be possible to create a human out of only the elements and maybe a few electrons? No, I'm not talking about something like cloning. I mean a grown adult made completely synthetically, and most importantly, with memories already implanted. There are no laws preventing such a feat from being done; only technological limitations.

But meticulously crafting every molecular bond seems nearly impossible. And, I expect, it will be for humans. But not for quantum mechanics. Quantum tunneling allows molecules to seemingly teleport from one place to another. The possibility of a human materializing is of course astronomically low. It's said the event of a single water molecule teleporting a metre or so won't happen until the heat death of the universe. But it's not like the universe stops existing after the heat death. Subatomic particles still exist, if across unimaginable distances. There's always a non-zero chance of this happening.

I see death as a temorary switching off of consciousness, like sleeping. I believe you will eventually wake up, that your physical assembly is inevitable given enough time. Of course, you'd exist in a void' so you'd die again pretty quickly. But given yet more time, wouldn't it be possible to emerge into an entire solar system crafted by quantum mechanics? If so, you'd wake up to find the world as it was. And in the trillions of possible worlds to wake up to, I believe there must be at least one in which life is better thepan it was before. Remember, at these ridiculous probabilities literally anything becomes possible.

Although I am an atheist, I still believe there is something for each of us after death. Not anything like heaven or hell, or even reincarnation in the common sense. Another life, while still retaining the same memories(or without them, if you prefer it that way). A better future, perhaps?

Amazing choice of words..i was really intrigued reading this. Maybe you're right maybe you're close enough We will never know until we meet the world beyond and/or of death.

 

[PI3.14]

First time I see a person here with my exact same view.

See, if the universe is eternal, and by the universe I mean the most fundamental blocks of matter/energy, then us existing again is guaranteed.

Heat death, like you said, doesn't mean nothing will exist, something will always exist, it's just that we don't know for sure the properties the universe will exhibit by then, it could be the case that some properties only emerge under the conditions of the heat death, ones that can shape matter into how we know it.

I also agree that us, as well as our memories and thoughts, are nothing but a specific arrangement of matter.

The question I struggle with though, is who am I? Can I exist under different circumstances that those I was born into? Could "I" have existed in a different body, circumstances, culture, and still be the same me? When I say the same me, I mean the same conscious entity. I'm not the same as my younger self in terms of so many things, but my current self and younger self are of the same conscious entity, one conscious agent.

The question is, how many different lives, if any, I can exist in and still be me? What if me can only exist within the exact same circumstances I exist under now? This means that if I ever come to be in the far future, I'll be going through the same story again, unless me can exist under other circumstances and still gave the same agency.

It's basically the problem of identity in philosophy.

My current belief is the following: We become conscious at a certain point in time, so we're not conscious right out of the womb. The moment we become conscious is the moment "I" us created, i.e. the agency.

If that is true, then as long as the exact atoms formation we had when we became conscious can exist under different set of events, then there is a possibility of you, for example, existing under better circumstances next time.

However, if the atoms formation we had when we became conscious can only exist under the circumstances that we had in this life, then it's unfortunate news, cus this mean whenever we exist, the same story will be told again, and again.

 

[claracatchingthebus]

We are all comprised completely of particles. Our brain waves are essentially just electrons moving at certain speeds, our blood pumping is the movement of certain molecules bonded in a certain way. Even our memories are, at the atomic level, just groups of atoms rearranging based on how our senses send electrons to us. Then, would it not theoretically be possible to create a human out of only the elements and maybe a few electrons? No, I'm not talking about something like cloning. I mean a grown adult made completely synthetically, and most importantly, with memories already implanted. There are no laws preventing such a feat from being done; only technological limitations.

But meticulously crafting every molecular bond seems nearly impossible. And, I expect, it will be for humans. But not for quantum mechanics. Quantum tunneling allows molecules to seemingly teleport from one place to another. The possibility of a human materializing is of course astronomically low. It's said the event of a single water molecule teleporting a metre or so won't happen until the heat death of the universe. But it's not like the universe stops existing after the heat death. Subatomic particles still exist, if across unimaginable distances. There's always a non-zero chance of this happening.

I see death as a temorary switching off of consciousness, like sleeping. I believe you will eventually wake up, that your physical assembly is inevitable given enough time. Of course, you'd exist in a void' so you'd die again pretty quickly. But given yet more time, wouldn't it be possible to emerge into an entire solar system crafted by quantum mechanics? If so, you'd wake up to find the world as it was. And in the trillions of possible worlds to wake up to, I believe there must be at least one in which life is better thepan it was before. Remember, at these ridiculous probabilities literally anything becomes possible.

Although I am an atheist, I still believe there is something for each of us after death. Not anything like heaven or hell, or even reincarnation in the common sense. Another life, while still retaining the same memories(or without them, if you prefer it that way). A better future, perhaps?

This is one of the most interesting posts I've read on here.

First time I see a person here withy exact same view.

See, if the universe is eternal, and by the universe I mean the most fundamental blocks of matter/energy, then us existing again is guaranteed.

Heat death, like you said, doesn't mean nothing will exist, something will always exist, it's just that we don't know for sure the properties the universe will exhibit by then, it could be the case that some properties only emerge under the conditions of the heat death, ones that can shape matter into how we know it.

I also agree that us, as well as our memories and thoughts, are nothing but a specific arrangement of matter.

The question I struggle with though, is who am I? Can I exist under different circumstances that those I was born into? Could "I" have existed in a different body, circumstances, culture, and still be the same me? When I say the same me, I mean the same conscious entity. I'm not the same as my younger self in terms of so many things, but my current self and younger self are of the same conscious entity, one conscious agent.

The question is, how many different lives, if any, I can exist in and still be me? What if me can only exist within the exact same circumstances I exist under now? This means that if I ever come to be in the far future, I'll be going through the same story again, unless me can exist under other circumstances and still gave the same agency.

It's basically the problem of identity in philosophy.

My current belief is the following: We become conscious at a certain point in time, so we're not conscious right out of the womb. The moment we become conscious is the moment "I" us created, i.e. the agency.

If that is true, then as long as the exact atoms formation we had when we became conscious can exist under different set of events, then there is a possibility of you, for example, existing under better circumstances next time.

However, if the atoms formation we had when we became conscious can only exist under the circumstances that we had in this life, then it's unfortunate news, cus this mean whenever we exist, the same story will be told again, and again.

I don't know if this is logically or mathmatically correct.

6 x 2 = 12

4 x 3 = 12

You can have different causes lead to the same outcome, so I don't think it's correct to say that the cause of current consciousness has to be the same each time.

Which is very crazy if you think about it, because it suggests that there can be at least 2 or more versions of you in a universe, which is actually supposedly statistically plausible given how large the universe is, and in 1 of those permutations, your understanding of the past is correct, but in another it's wrong and it's a completely different past, but the same "present." They are also doing more experiments on things like retrocausality, which just destroys my conception of time as a measurement of the direction of entropy. I give up on the universe having any reference point that's stable, which makes measurement so hard to do and throws so much confusion into science, but the only way forward is more data and experimentation anyway.

 

[PI3.14]

I don't know if this is logically or mathmatically correct.

6 x 2 = 12

4 x 3 = 12

You can have different causes lead to the same outcome, so I don't think it's correct to say that the cause of current consciousness has to be the same each time.

Which is very crazy if you think about it, because it suggests that there can be at least 2 or more versions of you in a universe, which is actually supposedly statistically plausible given how large the universe is, and in 1 of those permutations, your understanding of the past is correct, but in another it's wrong and it's a completely different past, but the same "present." They are also doing more experiments on things like retrocausality, which just destroys my conception of time as a measurement of the direction of entropy. I give up on the universe having any reference point that's stable, which makes measurement so hard to do and throws so much confusion into science, but the only way forward is more data and experimentation anyway.

I think it all depends on the set of possible outcomes of the universe(like how the universe develops over time, and how things, including us, come to be)

For one to say that drawing a yellow ball from a bag of balls is possible, the bag must contain at least one yellow ball.

I know that there is at least on sequence of events that lead to me, which is the current sequence of events in this universe, but I can't be sure that other sequences, that can lead to me, exist.

Also, I don't know if the number of possible outcomes is infinite or finite. But if I had to choose, I'll go with the latter.

If the number of possible outcomes is indeed limited, then it could be the case that I can only exist as a product of one sequence of events but not more. We can't really know.

 

[claracatchingthebus]

I think it all depends on the set of possible outcomes of the universe(like how the universe develops over time, and how things, including us, come to be)

For one to say that drawing a yellow ball from a bag of balls is possible, the bag must contain at least one yellow ball.

I know that there is at least on sequence of events that lead to me, which is the current sequence of events in this universe, but I can't be sure that other sequences, that can lead to me, exist.

Also, I don't know if the number of possible outcomes is infinite or finite. But if I had to choose, I'll go with the latter.

If the number of possible outcomes is indeed limited, then it could be the case that I can only exist as a product of one sequence of events but not more. We can't really know.

I read an article once about some physisist/statisticians who calculated that given the large size of the universe, it was almost impossible for things not to be duplicated. I don't understand math enough to know if their estimates had validity. It's like if you flip coins a billion times, the chance that you will get the combination "heads tails tails tails heads heads heads tails heads tails heads heads heads heads tails" is actually really high because of the large sample size. Given three dimensional organic chemistry and the randomness of matter coalescing, it seems impossible to me that a calculation like this could be accurately done, but it's likely the people who did the calculations are really good at physics and math and are smarter than I am, so just because I don't understand it doesn't mean it's not good math. But it could also be bad math. That's the thing about advanced topics like that, it's so hard to know once the math gets super complicated, you just have to see if all the math genius types agree or disagree. I didn't see anyone contest the calculation, but it could be that few reviewed it.

 

[PI3.14]

I read an article once about some physisist/statisticians who calculated that given the large size of the universe, it was almost impossible for things not to be duplicated. I don't understand math enough to know if their estimates had validity. It's like if you flip coins a billion times, the chance that you will get the combination "heads tails tails tails heads heads heads tails heads tails heads heads heads heads tails" is actually really high because of the large sample size. Given three dimensional organic chemistry and the randomness of matter coalescing, it seems impossible to me that a calculation like this could be accurately done, but it's likely the people who did the calculations are really good at physics and math and are smarter than I am, so just because I don't understand it doesn't mean it's not good math. But it could also be bad math. That's the thing about advanced topics like that, it's so hard to know once the math gets super complicated, you just have to see if all the math genius types agree or disagree. I didn't see anyone contest the calculation, but it could be that few reviewed it.

No, you're actually right to be skeptical. I'm not sure I believe in their analysis tbh.

Although the universe is big, really big, it's so big that a hydrogen atom put next to earth, appears way bigger than the earth itself being put next to the observable universe.

Yet, there are so much stuff going on in the universe that it's not really possible to calculate all the different activities going on.

Also, there exist no shortage of super smart people who claim things without proving the validity of the methodology they used.

 

[Forever Sleep]

It's an interesting, kind of terrifying idea. I'm not good at science and, particularly not physics but- from what you've said- does it take huge amounts of heat for this to (potentially) happen? So- the death of the sun?

Would it really likely be fully formed humans that appeared some place else? Along with everything else presumably- trees, rocks, houses, washing machines, horses, cockroaches, dolphins floating about somewhere new too? Would it be every single thing on this planet beamed off somewhere new or, only a few things? Would they all end up in the same place? It seems fantastical- and horrifying to me but, seeing as I don't understand the science- who knows? I think you have a great deal of optimism to believe humans won't have brought about their own extinction by the time the sun goes pop.

Still- I'll propose this... The universe is massive- right? It seems kind of likely in such a huge space that there are other life forms out there. Maybe some much older and younger than us. Maybe some who's suns have already imploded/ exploded- however they die. But- if that action causes stuff to teleport- why hasn't any of it materialised here? That we're aware of anyway. There are humans infesting so much of this planet now. Surely, if alien plants and creatures started appearing, we would have heard about it.

Still, it's crazy to think some of this stuff is possible.

 

[braintorture]

My guess is that we get recycled just like everything else that rots away by nature. Fruits, vegetables, bones whatever you can think of.

Consciousness might become something else entirely, and you could wake up as something else after years of recycling.

Since we're made out of a bunch of cells I think that those cells just "jump on another ship".

Probably not the best hypothesis but that's what I believe.