My greatest fear is reincarnation, and it's worse than my current life. What do you think?

[memento-mori]

i want to reincarnate as a brain-eating amoeba after I ctb

 

[Eudaimonic]

I feel the exact same way. I'm terrified of GSC-type rebirth or soul-type reincarnation. Reading NDEs & especially past-life recollections/intermission memories makes me so nervous. I just want there to be oblivion...

 

[Eudaimonic]

It's my belief that we'll not only have to shed our physical bodies, but also somehow shed/detach from the soul to reach true liberation.

I agree, regardless of whether prison planet theory is correct, because what we call the soul is an aspect of mind that we falsely identify with; possibly what e.g. Vedanta refers to as the 'subtle body.'

 

[SoulWantsHome]

I've read Michael Newton's books and I like them. Quite often in these YouTube videos about the reincarnation trap they talk about Michael Newton's books. What he writes about in his books seems to be true, a lot of people see what he described in his books. But they say it's like Michael Newton unknowingly described the world of these archons, these aliens who drain energy from us and control reincarnation. Michael Newton just didn't know, didn't understand who they really were.

Some people say that they have seen in out-of-body experiences and regressive hypnosis that these supposedly "helper souls" and others described in his book are actually bad guys who pretend to be good and all this is like virtual reality (perhaps this is what it is, sometimes they say that they see a lot of different technologies there). Possible it's an artificially created simulation. They say that their technology specifically causes this endless, all-consuming "feeling of love" in order to deceive the soul, awaken its trust, reduce vigilance and critical thinking, it acts like a drug. And this light and tunnel is like a teleporter to the location where these archons rule.

Their goal is to convince the soul to a new incarnation in any way, to force it to voluntarily agree to reincarnation (they often say that they can't force it to reincarnate because of the law of free will and therefore they have to resort to deception and manipulation). What constantly caught my eye and alarmed me in his books was how these characters in life between lives are obsessed with reincarnation, how they talk about it with some kind of fanaticism. Many people say that they saw that everything was like a simulation and that the physical world is a simulation.

Michael Newton and those people whose stories he described in the book are only a small percentage of those who have undergone regressive hypnosis sessions, experienced out-of-body experiences and near-death experiences. It is strange that you do not allow the possibility that Michael Newton, his students and patients learned far from everything, but only the tip of the iceberg. Newton writes that he has never met "evil entities", but there is a huge amount of evidence that some astral entities as parasites pump energy from a person and from them carry out cleaning, sometimes even see them. Different souls may have different abilities, levels of development, features and maybe someone can really resist the pull as a magnet of this light and tunnel (but I do not know if it is so) - but there are ghosts, are these the souls of people who did not go into this tunnel? And this is a kind of electromagnetic grid that does not release souls (or most of them) from this planet very many people have described in different times, for example gnostics many centuries ago.

I simply can't imagine why I would agree to reincarnate again and again into physical bodies in the physical worlds being originally an immortal being. Do you want to "take lessons in it" over and over again to raise your soul level, similar to how you raise a character's level in video games? In his books, Michael Newton comes up with some unrealistic and naively optimistic reality where there is only goodness and benevolent souls. Another thing that is unclear is why initially immortal souls, who are supposedly part of some kind of absolute that created everything, need to develop themselves, learn some lessons and embody them in physical bodies.

You clearly didn't read my previous post in this thread properly. So, you should read it again – because in that post, I already explained all the reasons why the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"), is wrong; and why your arguments thereby also are wrong.

However, I'll answer each of your arguments here anyway, as you clearly need to be spoon-fed these things:

But they say it's like Michael Newton unknowingly described the world of these archons, these aliens who drain energy from us and control reincarnation. Michael Newton just didn't know, didn't understand who they really were.

Yes, I'm well aware of that they think so. But like I wrote in my previous post in this thread:
"The advocates of the hypothesis of 'earth being a prison-planet' (which includes the concept of the 'reincarnation-trap', the existence of 'evil spirits/evil super-aliens', and the concept of 'souls being harvested for their energy'), are simply too unintelligent, irrational and/or ignorant to realize all of the flaws/contradictions that it entails."

That's why they incorrectly assume that Michael Newton misunderstood things – when it's actually they themselves who misunderstand things. (And this is usually because of their relatively low intelligence – which is extremely noticeable and obvious to exceptionally intelligent and rational people like me, who have actually been born with exceptional brains.)

And if you've actually read the 2 main books of Michael Newton, and you still believe in the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"); then you simply haven't paid proper attention to what he wrote; and/or you simply think too short to realize the implications of things, that make it virtually impossible for the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"), to be correct.



Like I also wrote in my previous post in this thread:
"In order to differentiate between truth and falsehood/fact and fiction, a person needs to be both intelligent, rational and knowledgeable about the subject at hand (for example the afterlife).

And if a person lacks any (or even all) of those 3 necessary traits, then the person will become an easy victim of other people's lack of intelligence, rationality and knowledge about the subject at hand (for example the afterlife).

And that's precisely the reason why for example cults and traditional religions are able to fool and attract so many people. And it's also precisely the reason why many people are fooled into believing the hypothesis of 'earth being a prison-planet' (which includes the concept of the 'reincarnation-trap', the existence of 'evil spirits/evil super-aliens', and the concept of 'souls being harvested for their energy')."

Some people say that they have seen in out-of-body experiences and regressive hypnosis that these supposedly "helper souls" and others described in his book are actually bad guys who pretend to be good and all this is like virtual reality (perhaps this is what it is, sometimes they are deceived that they see a lot of different technologies there). An artificially created deception. They say that their technology specifically causes this endless, all-consuming "feeling of love" in order to deceive the soul, awaken its trust, reduce vigilance and critical thinking, it acts like a drug. And this light and tunnel is like a teleporter to the location where these archons rule.

Their goal is to convince the soul to a new incarnation in any way, to force it to voluntarily agree to reincarnation (they often say that they can't force it to reincarnate because of the law of free will and therefore they have to resort to deception and manipulation).

FIRST OF ALL:

Yes, those are the things that their hypothesis is all about. I know exactly what they're claiming, as I've seen several videos about this stuff. And like I previously mentioned above; I've already explained the reasons why they are wrong, in my previous post in this thread.

Again, read my previous post in this thread, one more time – as well as my previous answer to you (above), in this post.



SECOND OF ALL:

Since there's a "fundamental law of free will" in the spirit-world, which is even stated by the advocates of the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"); and that the "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" therefore would need to convince the souls to incarnate on planets (by the use of extremely sophisticated manipulation-methods) – and can't just force the souls into incarnating on planets; it thereby proves that the creator/source ("God") that's responsible for creating the souls and the spirit-world itself, actually values free will – and that this creator/source ("God") thereby is an intelligent, rational, reasonable and good/kind/caring/loving creator/source ("God"), just like Michael Newton indirectly depicted the creator/source ("God") as being. And this thereby obviously corresponds perfectly with Michael Newton's explanation/model of the spirit-world.

And the creator/source ("God") that has created the souls and the spirit-world itself, is thereby obviously both:
- Good/kind/caring/loving enough to actually want to inhibit "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" from exploiting souls.
- Good/kind/caring/loving enough to actually want to avoid creating "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" in the first place.

And the creator/source ("God") that has created the souls and the spirit-world itself, is obviously also both:
- Powerful enough to actually be able to inhibit "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" from exploiting souls.
- Powerful enough to actually be able to avoid creating "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" in the first place.

And due to the combination of these things; the creator/source ("God") that has created the souls and the spirit-world itself, would obviously never have enabled "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" to exploit souls, and would obviously never even have created "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" in the first place.

And this whole argument of mine, is just 1 of the several flaws/contradictions that I've found in the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy") – which the advocates of that hypothesis, are simply too unintelligent, irrational and/or ignorant to realize on their own.



THIRD OF ALL:

If you've ever felt strong love/empathy/compassion for someone, then this alone should tell you that the creator/source ("God") that created us souls and the spirit-world itself, is a good/kind/caring/loving creator/source ("God") – as it has created us with the ability to feel such strong feelings of love/empathy/compassion for others, which obviously means that this is a trait that the creator/source ("God") itself values highly, and which thereby obviously means that this is a trait that the creator/source ("God") itself also possesses, and which thereby obviously means that the creator/source ("God") is a good/kind/caring/loving creator/source ("God"). And this thereby, once again, corresponds perfectly with Michael Newton's indirect depiction of our creator/source ("God").

And remember:
The more intelligent a person is, the higher degree of empathy/compassion the person is originally capable of feeling – because the more intelligent a person is, the more advanced the person's ability to feel empathy/compassion originally is. (A couple of exceptions to this, however, are psychopaths, as well as some autistic people.)

And since our creator/source ("God") is obviously way more intelligent and powerful than us souls are (although us souls consist of fragments of our creator/source/"God"), our creator/source ("God") is thereby obviously capable of even greater levels of empathy/compassion than we are.

And therefore, due to the combination of these things; it should be obvious to any person who has a functioning brain, that our creator/source ("God") would never have enabled "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" to exploit souls, and would never even have created "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" in the first place.

(And it should also be obvious to any person who has a functioning brain, that our creator/source/"God" is powerful enough to be able to inhibit "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" from exploiting souls, and is powerful enough to be able to avoid creating "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" in the first place.)



FOURTH OF ALL:

The amount of pure peace, love and freedom that the spirit-world entails, is absolutely incredible! And whatever force that is capable of providing such an incredible amount of pure peace, love and freedom, simply isn't emotionally capable of harming anyone.

And the pure peace, love and freedom that the spirit-world entails, is so pure and powerful that it simply has to be real – and that it can't be fabricated by some sort of "super-advanced technology that's created by 'archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens'".

But these are things that you probably won't be able to truly understand, until you experience this incredible amount of pure peace, love and freedom in the spirit-world, yourself; or until you experience moments of pure love here on earth, so that you'll thereby understand how pure love actually works (in terms of what it enables/doesn't enable you to do, towards other creatures/people you love; which is especially true for spiritual beings, such as the creator/source/"God" and souls, as they lack animalistic needs/desires/emotions - which are the type of needs/desires/emotions that enables animals/humans to be cruel/evil/sadistic towards each other, even though they may love each other).

What constantly caught my eye and alarmed me in his books was how these characters in life between lives are obsessed with reincarnation, how they talk about it with some kind of fanaticism.

Of course they are kind of "obsessed" with reincarnation, and of course they talk about reincarnation with a degree of devotion and fascination/enthusiasm/appreciation (which can be misinterpreted as fanaticism, by people like you, who have a strong bias against reincarnation).

You simply don't see/understand things from a soul's perspective – and that's why you misinterpret these things like these souls are "just a bunch of brainwashed, fanatic cult-members".

You really have to understand the type of environment the spirit-world actually is, and thereby really understand what a soul's life actually is like; in order to understand their devotion and fascination/enthusiasm/appreciation regarding reincarnation.

In other words:
If you're unable to put yourself in "a soul's shoes", then you obviously can't expect to understand a soul's stance on reincarnation.

Many people say that they saw that everything was like a simulation and that the physical world is a simulation.

Like I've already explained in my previous post in this thread:
The spiritual experiences of the people that provide "evidences" that support the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"), are entirely or partially caused by their own imagination, and/or are misinterpretations of things; and are thereby completely unreliable and invalid.

However, our physical world may actually be a simulation. But even if it is a simulation, then it's not a simulation that's made to "deceive souls and trick them into incarnating"; it's just a simulation that's made for souls to experience and learn from.

Michael Newton and those people whose stories he described in the book are only a small percentage of those who have undergone regressive hypnosis sessions, experienced out-of-body experiences and near-death experiences.

That may be – but it's about quality of data; not quantity of data. And Michael Newton provided proper quality of data. That, in combination with the principles and implications of his findings, is the reason why his (as well as his students') findings overrule any contradictory findings.

(You see, quality usually overrides quantity in life.)

It is strange that you do not allow the possibility that Michael Newton, his students and patients learned far from everything, but only the tip of the iceberg.

It's actually not "strange" at all. It's just simple logic, when you actually understand the reasons why Michael Newton's findings are so valid, and when you actually understand the principles and implications of his findings.

However, it's not entirely impossible that the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"), is correct. But it's virtually impossible for it to be correct – when looked at from a rational point of view, and when considering all the flaws of that hypothesis/all the things that that hypothesis contradicts, as well as all the flaws in all the arguments of all the advocates of that hypothesis.

Newton writes that he has never met "evil entities", but there is a huge amount of evidence that some astral entities as parasites pump energy from a person and from them carry out cleaning, sometimes even see them.

As I've previously explained to you; those "evidences" you're referring to here, are highly flawed, lousy "evidences" in reality (due to the reasons that I've previously explained to you) – and are therefore completely unreliable and invalid.

Different souls may have different abilities, levels of development, features and maybe someone can really resist the pull as a magnet of this light and tunnel (but I do not know if it is so) (…)

Of course they can't. The magnetic pull is obviously universal for all souls, as the spirit-world obviously needs to be able to pull all souls back to the spirit-world in a reliable and effective way, every time.

And by the way:
I'm actually a highly advanced soul myself – which is obvious based on both the exceptionally hard life that I've lived (which simple/non-advanced souls usually don't dare to have), as well as the exceptional intuition, intelligence and rationality that I've been born with (which primarily is a result of my highly advanced soul-mind – in addition to being fitted with a high-quality, human brain that is actually capable of processing this high calibre of soul-mind).

So, if advanced souls would have been able to resist the magnetic pull, then I certainly would have been able to do so myself.

(…) but there are ghosts, are these the souls of people who did not go into this tunnel?

Yes, ghosts are souls who haven't gone into the tunnel yet/haven't entered the white light yet.

After death, some souls are too bewildered, upset and attached to their freshly ended life, that they therefore aren't ready to leave earth yet; while some other souls are simply not interested in returning to the spirit-world yet, for other reasons, and will for example "spend the next 5 years sitting inside a tree, while observing the world" (which goes by relatively quickly for souls).

In such cases, the magnetic pull of the tunnel/white light, obviously accommodates the souls' own level of readiness to go back to the spirit-world; as these souls aren't being magnetically pulled back to the spirit-world straight away.

But in many cases (probably in most cases), souls are magnetically pulled towards the tunnel/the white light, immediately after death.

(And this is also what I myself experienced, during 1 of my own, spiritual experiences – although my body wasn't dead at all. I just went straight out of the body, and was immediately brought over to the spiritual dimension and the white light. It was all automatic and instant.)

And this is a kind of electromagnetic grid that does not release souls (or most of them) from this planet very many people have described in different times, for example gnostics many centuries ago.

Like I wrote in my previous post in this thread:
"Throughout human history, humans have always misunderstood the spirit-world (which traditional religions are a perfect example of) – until Michael Newton came along, and revealed how the spirit-world actually works, based on the valid, consistent, empirical evidences of his clients (which are consistent with the valid, consistent, empirical evidences of the clients of his students, by the way – which thereby prove that he didn't just 'make it all up')."

It's entirely possible that there exists some kind of "electromagnetic grid" outside of earth – but its actual function and purpose must obviously have been misinterpreted by the people who claim to have "seen" it.

It's just like how it's entirely possible that there exist (within our physical universe) some advanced, evil aliens (but not evil super-aliens), who are floating around in advanced spaceships in space. But their actual power and role in relation to human souls (for example, their supposed role in "gatekeeping human souls", and "harvesting human souls for energy"), must obviously have been misinterpreted by those who claim to have "seen" them.

I simply can't imagine why I would agree to reincarnate again and again into physical bodies in the physical worlds being originally an immortal being. Do you want to "take lessons in it" over and over again to raise your soul level, similar to how you raise a character's level in video games?

You don't see/understand these things from a soul's perspective; you only see/understand these things from a human's perspective. And that's why you don't understand why a soul would want to take various lessons over and over again (albeit in different ways), in physical bodies.

You simply have to put yourself in "a soul's shoes" (which is relatively easy to do, if you've actually read the 2 main books of Michael Newton), in order to understand why a soul would want to take various lessons over and over again (albeit in different ways), in physical bodies.



And to answer your question:
From my human perspective here on earth; no, I wouldn't want to take various lessons over and over again (albeit in different ways), here on earth. Experiencing this current nightmare of mine, of an earthly, physical life, is enough for me. I don't ever want to experience this hell again.

But from a soul's perspective in the spirit-world; I can understand why a soul would want to take various lessons over and over again (albeit in different ways), here on earth.

So, in the end, I might actually incarnate on earth again in the future – depending on my soul's perspective. But currently, from the perspective of a human on earth, I don't think I'll ever want to incarnate on earth again (unless I possibly get an easy life the next time – where I get to achieve all the things that I was unable to do, in this current life of mine).

In his books, Michael Newton comes up with some unrealistic and naively optimistic reality where there is only goodness and benevolent souls.

FIRST OF ALL:

It's not unrealistic, and it's not naively optimistic. You just incorrectly think so, because you don't actually understand these things (which is why I have to explain all of these things to you) – just like how all the advocates of the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"), don't understand these things either.



SECOND OF ALL:

Michael Newton didn't just "come up with" his explanation/model of the spirit-world. His explanation/model of the spirit-world is actually based on consistent data from about 7000 of his clients.

And what makes his findings so particularly credible, is the combination of the non-leading/open-ended way that he interviewed the souls, and the incredible consistency of his findings; and that his students are able to achieve the exact same, consistent results as he did, by using the exact same methods as he did.

Those are the things that collectively make his findings so special and particularly valid, in comparison to all the other near-death-experiences, out-of-body-experiences and remote viewings, that are much more varied/inconsistent (which is due to the reasons that I've already explained in my previous post in this thread).

And that's why all the other "evidences" that you've been referring to, are completely unreliable and invalid, and simply don't stand a chance, in comparison to Michael Newton's findings.

In other words:
If your "evidences" don't correspond with Michael Newton's explanation/model of the spirit-world, then your "evidences" are obviously unreliable and invalid.

But in order for you to understand why this is, it requires you to understand the reasons why his findings are so valid, and to understand the principles and implications of his findings. Without first understanding those 2 things, you simply won't "get it".

In short:
Michael Newton's explanation/model of the spirit-world is of primary significance. Any other explanation/model of the spirit-world, is only of secondary significance. This is due to the validity of Michael Newton's explanation/model of the spirit-world, and the principles and implications that it entails.

Another thing that is unclear is why initially immortal souls, who are supposedly part of some kind of absolute that created everything, need to develop themselves, learn some lessons and embody them in physical bodies.

You clearly haven't read the 2 main books of Michael Newton, or you clearly haven't paid proper attention to what he wrote, if you have to ask that question.

But anyway, to answer your question:



FIRST OF ALL:

The 3 main reasons why souls want to develop themselves by learning lessons, and why souls want to incarnate in physical bodies on planets:

Reason 1)
When souls are created/"born", they are inexperienced, dependent and mentally fragile – kind of like how human babies are. And incarnations make them more experienced, independent, wise and mentally strong – and it also makes the source ("God") stronger, once the souls finally reunite with it, at the end of their development-journey.

And the best way for souls to become more experienced, independent, wise and mentally strong, is by experiencing things (just like how it is for humans). And certain things (such as problems, which originally don't exist in the spirit-world) can only be experienced (and can thereby only be properly learned) in physical form. (This is especially due to all of the inherent limitations that physical bodies entail – which thereby provide real challenges for souls, that they simply don't get in the spirit-world.)

Remember:
Experiencing something first-hand, is 1000 times more powerful/effective and educational, than just hearing about it, reading about it, seeing it in a picture/video – or just learning about it in a distanced way, from the comfort of the spirit-world. And souls know this.

Reason 2)
Souls seek contrast and depth to their problem-free, superficial existence in the spirit-world – which is a big part of the reason why a lot of souls want to incarnate on challenging/problematic planets such as earth.

Reason 3)
Souls want to experience life in physical form, because it's a contrasting experience to their soul-energetic existence in the spirit-world.



SECOND OF ALL:

A lot of souls choose to just stay in the spirit-world forever, and not incarnate on any planets at all – and especially not on extremely challenging/problematic planets such as earth.

And this thereby reveals another flaw/contradiction of the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"); as the advocates of that hypothesis, conveniently ignore this fact – or are simply too unintelligent, irrational and/or ignorant to realize the flaw/contradiction that this fact reveals about their hypothesis.

How does this physical world seem to you to be a place "full of love"?

(I know that you erased this question later on – but I had already written an answer to it, that brings up some important points. So that's why I'm adding this answer, even though you've erased this question.)

I've never claimed this physical world of ours (planet earth), to be a place "full of love".

This physical world of ours (planet earth), is quite simply NOT a place "full of love" – although love does play a key part in life as humans, and (according to some near-death-experiencers) love is the energy that actually underlies everything in this physical world of ours (planet earth).

But the spirit-world on the other hand, actually IS a place full of love. And the reasons why I know this, are as follows:

Reason 1)
It's what Michael Newton's explanation/model of the spirit-world depicts + it's consistent with most of the other, valid afterlife-research that exists.

Reason 2)
I've personally been to the spiritual dimension, and have experienced first-hand the incredible, pure peace, love and freedom that exists there. It's simply something that you won't be able to truly understand, until you experience it for yourself. Until you've experienced it, you simply haven't felt true peace, love and freedom – as there's nothing on earth that compares to it.

And a creator/source ("God") that is capable of providing such an incredible degree of pure peace and love, as well as has created a dimension that allows a soul to feel such pure freedom; is simply incompatible with the concept of "bad/evil creatures existing/running the place". It's as simple as that. But again, this is something that you probably won't truly understand, until you actually experience it for yourself.

Agreed. I've read NDE/between lives/past life regression books by a few different authors and each one has his or her own unique "thing". They build up a framework and new clients seem to automatically slot into that framework. As you know, with Newton, the framework is growth through soul schools in a benevolent universe. For another regressionist, every other person he regressed was a space alien in a military being forced to incarnate as a human. Another regressionist kept finding pairs of people connected in multiple lives, who did not necessarily know each other in their current lives - for instance, one pair was a master and slave in early America, each one still working out their issues in the current life.

There might be some nuggets of good information there, but I think these books are more about the trip the regressionist is on, rather than info about the afterlife.

Read my answers to Alan James, in this post of mine.

You simply can't compare Michael Newton's findings to the findings of other regressionists. Michael Newton developed the gold-standard of proper life-between-lives, hypnotic research. A lot of other regressionists, simply don't conduct it the proper way, which naturally leads to flawed, unreliable and invalid findings.

In other words:
Michael Newton and his students, are in a league of their own, when it comes to the validity of their findings.

The initial choice to physically incarnate? I don't get that either. But as for subsequent decisions to come back, we probably fall for the same BS we see in NDEs - reunion with loved ones, "soul contract" nonsense, desire to help the planet evolve, overwhelmed by the love of god and the want to please it, etc.

Again, read my answers to Alan James, in this post of mine. I already explained the answer to this, to him. And it's clear that none of you understand this stuff.

That worries me. My current working theory is that souls are also electromagnetic and so will respond to an electromagnetic grid or the unholy vacuum suction power of the white light tunnel, which may also be electromagnetic. But the soul is another container or costume we're wearing, made of the substance of this temporary realm. The body is the container for the soul, and the soul is the container for the spark/spirit/immortal essence. It's my belief that we'll not only have to shed our physical bodies, but also somehow shed/detach from the soul to reach true liberation.

Again, read my answers to Alan James, in both this post of mine, and in my previous post in this thread.

If you had actually read the 2 main books of Michael Newton (and actually paid attention to what he wrote), as well as known the reasons why his findings are so valid; and/or if you had actually experienced being in the soul-state yourself, completely freed from your physical body; then you'd know that this hypothesis of yours, is completely wrong.

Just like Alan James, you have simply been brainwashed by the advocates of the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy").

Both you and Alan James simply fail to see the (obvious!) flaws/contradictions of that hypothesis, which thereby make both of you easy victims of the heresy that it contains.



In closure of this long post of mine:
I've done what I can in this thread, to get both of you freed from the extremely harmful and limiting beliefs of the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy").

And if all the things that I've explained to both of you here, isn't enough to at least make you way more critical of that hypothesis; then both of you are simply too far gone.



Now, with that said:
If you want to be on the safe side, you can try to apply all the escape-tactics that you've learned from the advocates of the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"), after you're dead; in an attempt to avoid the hypothetical possibility of "forced reincarnation".

But what I'm telling you, is that you'll (virtually guaranteed) just realize that Michael Newton's explanation/model of the spirit-world, was actually correct all along, once you enter the spiritual dimension after death.



Like I've previously stated in this thread:
The hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"), simply has too many serious (and obvious!) flaws/contradictions, for it to be correct. It's as simple as that.

But not everyone is capable of seeing/understanding this, unfortunately – despite how obvious it actually is (at least to exceptionally intelligent and rational people like me, who usually see/understand things that most people simply are incapable of seeing/understanding on their own).

 

[Macedonian1987]

I know that this is all fiction but I want to reincarnate in Edenia. For those who don't know what Edenia is, it is a heaven-like realm ruled by princess Kitana. I want to be her closest friend, and maybe her husband. This is how I imagine myself in Edenia. When I'm extremely depressed, I often imagine myself like this. Living in a peaceful world. A world without wars, diseases, chronic pain and sadness. A world full of unconditional love and understanding.

(these are an Ai generated photos, and the Ai messed up my height, in reality I don't want to be that much taller than her)

 

[lucifer88]

that is the reason why I am not able to end my suffering, I think that I am trapped in a never ending loop, my soul is immortal and I will be reborn again and again

honestly even if that is the case, chances are you wont have any memory of your past life

 

[darksouls]

honestly even if that is the case, chances are you wont have any memory of your past life

that does not make it better

 

[Alan James]

And the creator/source ("God") that has created the souls and the spirit-world itself, is thereby obviously both:
- Good/kind/caring/loving enough to actually want to inhibit "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" from exploiting souls.
- Good/kind/caring/loving enough to actually want to avoid creating "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" in the first place.

And the creator/source ("God") that has created the souls and the spirit-world itself, is obviously also both:
- Powerful enough to actually be able to inhibit "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" from exploiting souls.
- Powerful enough to actually be able to avoid creating "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" in the first place.

And due to the combination of these things; the creator/source ("God") that has created the souls and the spirit-world itself, would obviously never have enabled "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" to exploit souls, and would obviously never even have created "archons/evil spirits/evil super-aliens" in the first place.

People throughout their history have been killing each other, fighting wars, torturing, raping, robbing, cheating, committing genocide, cutting off one another's heads and so on. And if people created by this "source/ god" it does not prevent people to do this things as we see in reality. But for some reason you are saying that this "source/ god" would not allow such things to happen even though they happen in this world. And Michael Newton says in his books that all the horrors of war and genocide are just such "lessons for soul development" and it's just like a video game and lessons for our immortal soul. Therefore, it is not clear why you are sure that after death someone forbids to do all sorts of bad things, especially since everyone claims that there is free will and everyone has the free will to do bad things too.

Also very little is known about this "source", in the books of Newton and in general about this source very little information and no one knows how it thinks, what his logic, purpose, consciousness and what it is.

Gnosticism is becoming an increasingly popular topic on the internet. According to the Gnostics, this physical world is created by an evil deity, and the souls are lured here by deception in order to extract from them the energy. Gnostics have ideas about how to get out of the reincarnation cycle. I think they should be studied and have a plan to escape the trap of reincarnation, and here's why. Think, if it turns out that consciousness dies with the death of the body, we lose nothing but a little time to study information. But if it turns out that consciousness continues and we are under the control of evil forces, then the absence of any plan will be fatal. Imagine this situation. The consciousness of an atheist materialist, who did not believe in anything and expected nothing, comes into being. And there he meets supposedly his relatives and "angels" serving the creator of the material world, read demons. A little bit of persuasion, a little bit of manipulation, and here the materialist atheist flies back to a world where there are concentration camps, torture, wars, chronic diseases, maniacs and all other charms. It's a treacherous and cruel trap. I would like those who say that all of this does not exist or that there is a beautiful place with loving creatures after death, as Michael Newton writes in the books, to be true. But shouldn't we have information in case it turns out to be wrong? So I think that any plan for the afterlife is better than no plan.

Many people say that these "spiritual entities" or "archons" or many other names for them are actually different aliens. And what people usually go to after death is the fourth dimension, which is called the astral. It is said that these different aliens can exist both in the physical world and in the astral. Many have seen that these are no gods, not some "soul entities", not "demons" - see that they are representatives of different alien races. Humans have often (throughout human history) called aliens and their technologies by words "gods", "demons", "angels", "archons" and so on. In the same way that people do different bad things to each other and to nature, no source prevents aliens from doing different bad things. People have many different criminal groups, dictatorships, totalitarian states - the same certainly exists in the various alien races.

In 1st picture this is how these remote viewers describe beings from the astral/4th dimension, how "archons" look like. This is a page from the CIA's official declassified "Project Stargate" documents. In 2nd picture it is as Aleister Crowley describes the "demons" he saw in the astral in 1904.

 

[SoulWantsHome]

People throughout their history have been killing each other, fighting wars, torturing, raping, robbing, cheating, committing genocide, cutting off one another's heads and so on. And if people created by this "source/ god" it does not prevent people to do this things as we see in reality. But for some reason you are saying that this "source/ god" would not allow such things to happen even though they happen in this world. And Michael Newton says in his books that all the horrors of war and genocide are just such "lessons for soul development" and it's just like a video game and lessons for our immortal soul. Therefore, it is not clear why you are sure that after death someone forbids to do all sorts of bad things, especially since everyone claims that there is free will and everyone has the free will to do bad things too.

Also very little is known about this "source", in the books of Newton and in general about this source very little information and no one knows how it thinks, what his logic, purpose, consciousness and what it is.

Gnosticism is becoming an increasingly popular topic on the internet. According to the Gnostics, this physical world is created by an evil deity, and the souls are lured here by deception in order to extract from them the energy. Gnostics have ideas about how to get out of the reincarnation cycle. I think they should be studied and have a plan to escape the trap of reincarnation, and here's why. Think, if it turns out that consciousness dies with the death of the body, we lose nothing but a little time to study information. But if it turns out that consciousness continues and we are under the control of evil forces, then the absence of any plan will be fatal. Imagine this situation. The consciousness of an atheist materialist, who did not believe in anything and expected nothing, comes into being. And there he meets supposedly his relatives and "angels" serving the creator of the material world, read demons. A little bit of persuasion, a little bit of manipulation, and here the materialist atheist flies back to a world where there are concentration camps, torture, wars, chronic diseases, maniacs and all other charms. It's a treacherous and cruel trap. I would like those who say that all of this does not exist or that there is a beautiful place with loving creatures after death, as Michael Newton writes in the books, to be true. But shouldn't we have information in case it turns out to be wrong? So I think that any plan for the afterlife is better than no plan.

Many people say that these "spiritual entities" or "archons" or many other names for them are actually different aliens. And what people usually go to after death is the fourth dimension, which is called the astral. It is said that these different aliens can exist both in the physical world and in the astral. Many have seen that these are no gods, not some "soul entities", not "demons" - see that they are representatives of different alien races. Humans have often (throughout human history) called aliens and their technologies by words "gods", "demons", "angels", "archons" and so on. In the same way that people do different bad things to each other and to nature, no source prevents aliens from doing different bad things. People have many different criminal groups, dictatorships, totalitarian states - the same certainly exists in the various alien races.

In 1st picture this is how these remote viewers describe beings from the astral/4th dimension, how "archons" look like. This is a page from the CIA's official declassified "Project Stargate" documents. In 2nd picture it is as Aleister Crowley describes the "demons" he saw in the astral in 1904.

Sigh… You simply think way, way too short to understand these things – as you clearly don't even realize the obvious flaws in your own arguments here. Therefore, it's pointless for me to continue explaining all of these things to you.

You are simply wrong, and your arguments are severely flawed, and you simply don't realize these things yourself. You simply need to re-read my previous posts in this thread, thoroughly.

I've learned the hard way in life (on countless occasions), that it's completely futile trying to argue with people who simply don't have the intelligence that's required to understand certain things – including the flaws in their own arguments.



Like I wrote in my previous post in this thread:
"I've done what I can in this thread, to get both of you freed from the extremely harmful and limiting beliefs of the hypothesis of 'earth being a prison-planet' (which includes the concept of the 'reincarnation-trap', the existence of 'evil spirits/evil super-aliens', and the concept of 'souls being harvested for their energy').

And if all the things that I've explained to both of you here, isn't enough to at least make you way more critical of that hypothesis; then both of you are simply too far gone."



With that said, I'm done here. I won't be replying to any further posts in this thread.



PS:

I would like those who say that all of this does not exist or that there is a beautiful place with loving creatures after death, as Michael Newton writes in the books, to be true. But shouldn't we have information in case it turns out to be wrong? So I think that any plan for the afterlife is better than no plan.

Yes, if you want to be on the safe side. I also mentioned that in my previous post in this thread.

But in reality, it's virtually guaranteed that this would be completely unnecessary - as it's virtually impossible for the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"), to be correct. (Which is exactly what I've been trying to explain, in my previous posts in this thread.)

 

[RadioGaga]

Sigh… You simply think way, way too short to understand these things – as you clearly don't even realize the obvious flaws in your own arguments here. Therefore, it's pointless for me to continue explaining all of these things to you.

You are simply wrong, and your arguments are severely flawed, and you simply don't realize these things yourself. You simply need to re-read my previous posts in this thread, thoroughly.

I've learned the hard way in life (on countless occasions), that it's completely futile trying to argue with people who simply don't have the intelligence that's required to understand certain things – including the flaws in their own arguments.



Like I wrote in my previous post in this thread:
"I've done what I can in this thread, to get both of you freed from the extremely harmful and limiting beliefs of the hypothesis of 'earth being a prison-planet' (which includes the concept of the 'reincarnation-trap', the existence of 'evil spirits/evil super-aliens', and the concept of 'souls being harvested for their energy').

And if all the things that I've explained to both of you here, isn't enough to at least make you way more critical of that hypothesis; then both of you are simply too far gone."



With that said, I'm done here. I won't be replying to any further posts in this thread.



PS:

Yes, if you want to be on the safe side. I also mentioned that in my previous post in this thread.

But in reality, it's virtually guaranteed that this would be completely unnecessary - as it's virtually impossible for the hypothesis of "earth being a prison-planet" (which includes the concept of the "reincarnation-trap", the existence of "evil spirits/evil super-aliens", and the concept of "souls being harvested for their energy"), to be correct. (Which is exactly what I've been trying to explain, in my previous posts in this thread.)

My guy I'm sorry to say but your belief with this is basically a sadomasochistic system.

Being forced to learn lessons on earth by being raped as a child, abused, slowly starving to death in a third world country, witnessing friends die right in front of you in war, your parents getting bombed RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, succumbing to severe mental illness, a child dying of terminal brain cancer at the ripe age of 4.

That's not learning lessons. That pure cruelty! And the worst part is the fact that you forget your previous lives with reincarnation too! And what if you were given the jackpot as in was born in a rich family was super smart and creative but died by Suicide because your successful business was torn down and your life was destroyed? Then you'd HAVE TO lose that life and be reincarnated into a shitty one with less success and fortune! :(.

Reincarnation where you live a life of pain and suffering that you either chose or were coerced into doing is like being coerced and manipulated into having sex with someone you don't want to have it with.

Let's not forget about the poverty in this world too! This is why prison planet PERFECTLY EXPLAINS everything.

Loving beings don't force you to do something you dont want to do. Those feeling of love and bliss they give you? It's a manipulation tactic to make you more susceptible to being forced to reincarnate. Like drugging someone or making someone drunk to be more susceptible to you having your way with them or sex. You lose your sense of thought and control.

They also feed off of happiness too. Not just Anguish. Also! We are nothing more than cows in a farm to be slaughtered and fed to the archons. Cows and cattle in a farm are fed, comforted and take pride in their prison until they're slaughtered.

Humanity on earth is no different. They take comfort and pride in their earthly possessions, friends. Family etc but once anguish happens. A domino effect begins to happen which is PERFECT for the archons to feed off of us! :(.

Or maybe there's no afterlife at all! Who knows! But tbh IF there IS an afterlife then I believe 100% in prison planet theory because no LOVING BEINGS would force you into doing something you wouldn't want to do! :(.

I'll leave you with this link I found talking more in depth about this sort of thing! :).

Forced reincarnation soul trap. Several cases suggestive of forced incarnation. - Online Text Sharing

Forced reincarnation soul trap. Several cases suggestive of forced incarnation.

web.archive.org

 

[toiling]

Yesterday, I had a nightmare because I am severely disabled and suffer from an incurable disease (I've already told my story, part by part, elsewhere in the forum).

I was about to die, or CTB (in my nightmare), I fainted in a shopping mall, and I saw mothers with their babies. And a kind of intuition, a nightmare within a nightmare, as if I were being shown a video, in my mind, of what I would become after my death, told me that I would be reincarnated as a newborn with all my memories erased!

I'm really afraid of being reincarnated, of having amnesia, of being born even worse (even more disabilities, poverty, toxic parents... you can imagine anything), in a world of screens, GAFAM, AI, 1984, idiocracy, a deregulated climate... in short, everything that the new generations will experience. I'm afraid, extremely afraid, and angry to see this possibility. I'm even afraid that the evolution of AI will allow the reincarnation of human consciousness in the future (without autonomy, entirely exploited by GAFAM, slavery...)!

Does this happen to you? Are you afraid of it? What do you think of reincarnation?

Many of you told me that, as down-to-earth people, thinking that the brain is just matter with data inside, that at death it will be nothingness, or non-existence (like a destroyed computer or AI)? Are you afraid of this?

if reincarnation is real (which it may be) it doesn't work linearly like you think it might. You don't live as yourself and THEN someone else, it all happens simultaneously. From your perspective, when you die it stops.

 

[Maki9]

Our brains will cease activity and begin decaying as soon as blood stops pumping to them, and that is all that will happen. Take comfort in this fact.

It's been a while but thank you

 

[BlueMist96]

I am a believer in the cycle of reincarnation, and that we were tricked/manipulated into living as human beings. I also believe that whoever put us here needs our consent to keep us here.

From what I've read about near death experiences and stuff, a significant portion of people who were actually on the brink of death have an experience where some being/person of significance to them convinces them to come back, either through gentle encouragement, guilt tripping, or in some cases even beratement and threats.

This reinforces the idea that they need our consent, because why go through the effort if they could just zap us back. So, if this is the case, you simply need to refuse. No matter what. Expect them to use all of your weaknesses against you. Try to become your best self in this life so that you are prepared to face it when the time comes.

I could also be completely wrong, so I try not to take it very seriously. Nobody actually knows what happens until they die.

 

[PanaxMan]

Yesterday, I had a nightmare because I am severely disabled and suffer from an incurable disease (I've already told my story, part by part, elsewhere in the forum).

I was about to die, or CTB (in my nightmare), I fainted in a shopping mall, and I saw mothers with their babies. And a kind of intuition, a nightmare within a nightmare, as if I were being shown a video, in my mind, of what I would become after my death, told me that I would be reincarnated as a newborn with all my memories erased!

I'm really afraid of being reincarnated, of having amnesia, of being born even worse (even more disabilities, poverty, toxic parents... you can imagine anything), in a world of screens, GAFAM, AI, 1984, idiocracy, a deregulated climate... in short, everything that the new generations will experience. I'm afraid, extremely afraid, and angry to see this possibility. I'm even afraid that the evolution of AI will allow the reincarnation of human consciousness in the future (without autonomy, entirely exploited by GAFAM, slavery...)!

Does this happen to you? Are you afraid of it? What do you think of reincarnation?

Many of you told me that, as down-to-earth people, thinking that the brain is just matter with data inside, that at death it will be nothingness, or non-existence (like a destroyed computer or AI)? Are you afraid of this?

Well if I'm reincarnated as a ant it's whatever. It's not like natural selection doesn't exist