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Viranamari

Viranamari

A Future Corpse
Feb 22, 2023
294
I am aware that there might have been some threads on this topic but I would like to share my experience. Note that this is my experience and opinion so it might be different from others. Since my country is rather small, we have this one main institute of mental health. If you are suspected of having mental health issues, you are sent there. I went to the emergency ward and I only saw the doctor after waiting for 2 hour and 45 minutes. Yes,it's an emergency ward. The nurses are really nice to the relatives but treat the patients like trash. Once you tell them you have suicidal thoughts, they will lock you up. If you're admitted in the hospital, they will force you to eat the medication despite not having your consent. They will even tie up you up if you do not go along. You wake up at 7 am and the food is horrible. Long story short, it is horrible there. They treat the mentally different people like trash. However, that is my country. I would like to know how it is like in other countries. I hope you can share your experiences.
 
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Aug 28, 2022
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Bloody hell, that sounds terrible. I've had much much better experiences in the UK. I never felt forced to do anything even when I was sectioned. I've been in psychiatric hospitals 7 times. The food was always great, the staff were always nice or very nice to me. It was a bit boring sometimes though, and it sucked not being allowed a razor or deodorant. But that's as bad as it got. The patients were usually interesting. Except during COVID they had visiting hours every day. The Priory was the best, lots of daily activities to keep the boredom away. Mind if I ask what country you're from?
 
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Feb 22, 2023
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After my failed attempt to ctb I had to sign a contract stating that I will voluntarily be locked up in the psychiatry. If I didn't sign they said they'd have to lock me up involuntarily for at least two weeks. So they blackmailed me. They said I could go after a day if I feel better. They said the same the next day and the next and then they moved the date back to a week later.
After the first few hours I noticed I'm scared of being locked in. I didn't say anything before because guess what. I've never been locked up that long in my life before so I didn't even know I was scared to be locked up.

All of my concerns were ignored and I was told:
"You only want to go out so you can ctb. It's your fault that you're here. If you hadn't attempted you wouldn't be here. Now deal with it."

I cried the whole time I was in there because I was so scared of being locked in but nobody cared. They told me to stop acting because they were convinced I faked it and that I just wanted to get out and ctb.


The first two days I didn't even get to have a meeting with a psychologist because it was the weekend. After the weekend I had one daily meeting for 30 minutes. All they did was ask me if I still wanted to ctb. That was it. It didn't help at all. It made everything worse. If they wouldn't have let me out after a week because I kept crying to my parents I'd have slammed my head against the wall as hard as possible.

I'm traumatized. I cannot watch movies in which someone is being held captive anymore. I get panic attacks only watching the scenes. A few months ago I had a panic attack outside because I realized that I couldn't leave earth and felt like I was locked in the atmosphere. It's so hard to describe it but it's just so terrifying to me. I'm now scared of the front door being locked. Being late in supermarkets or shops because they could close and I'd be locked up in there. These are just a few things. I even get panic attacks when the door doesn't open up fast enough. Being alone in elevators is a big no for me. If I don't have the key for a door which can be locked I'm scared someone will lock me in there and I won't be able to get out.

Before I was locked up I didn't have these problems. After I got out I went to a therapist and told her about that to which she replied: "But no one is locking you up right now so it's not a problem."

This made me hate the mental health system so much. It's unbelievable.


Also I shared a room with a girl who broke my toothbrush to use for sh later. I told the staff that I didn't have a toothbrush anymore. They searched for the broken brush. After that I had to brush my teeth under surveillance but my roommate didn't. How tf. If I had wanted to use it for sh purposes I wouldn't have told the staff! I didn't even have sh scars back then!
 
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Viranamari

A Future Corpse
Feb 22, 2023
294
Bloody hell, that sounds terrible. I've had much much better experiences in the UK. I never felt forced to do anything even when I was sectioned. I've been in psychiatric hospitals 7 times. The food was always great, the staff were always nice or very nice to me. It was a bit boring sometimes though, and it sucked not being allowed a razor or deodorant. But that's as bad as it got. The patients were usually interesting. Except during COVID they had visiting hours every day. The Priory was the best, lots of daily activities to keep the boredom away. Mind if I ask what country you're from?
Thank you for sharing your experience. I feel relieved knowing some people have had nice experiences. If only everyone experienced what you had experienced. I live in Asia so I suppose it is expected for the mental health teams to be not as good.
 
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Feb 23, 2023
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my experience hasn't been very good but not as bad as you op. i have been to like 6 psychiatrist up until now and only the recent one has helped me a bit but as i know it's inevitable for me. my end is pre written, i got into debt due to my dad and it's been eating my brain or any will to live, idk how long i can push and take this weight. nothing helps as my problem is not moving, so yeah where were we, maybe try finding another doctor.
 
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Feb 22, 2023
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I feel relieved knowing some people have had nice experiences. If only everyone experienced what you had experienced. I live in Asia so I suppose it is expected for the mental health teams to be not as good.
Thanks for sharing your experience and advice.
 
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WaitingToGo

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Feb 18, 2023
233
So far in NL it's not too bad.
Been taking antidepressants for tears but stopped a few months back. Not been sectioned but sometimes wished I had.
This last depression is the worst ever. Saw my Doctor, told her I had enough Fentanyl and morphine to end my life, but wanted help. She got me an appointment within 2 hours at the emergency crisis team where I've been twice now.
I've now got my appointment with the actual psychiatric team who will take over from the emergency team and thats in 2 weeks. The health system here is pretty damn good. I just hope that they will do something this time, but if they don't I still have plan B. Sorry about your experience OP
 
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Viranamari

A Future Corpse
Feb 22, 2023
294
So far in NL it's not too bad.
Been taking antidepressants for tears but stopped a few months back. Not been sectioned but sometimes wished I had.
This last depression is the worst ever. Saw my Doctor, told her I had enough Fentanyl and morphine to end my life, but wanted help. She got me an appointment within 2 hours at the emergency crisis team where I've been twice now.
I've now got my appointment with the actual psychiatric team who will take over from the emergency team and thats in 2 weeks. The health system here is pretty damn good. I just hope that they will do something this time, but if they don't I still have plan B. Sorry about your experience OP
The issue with antidepressants are the side effects and it is not really long term. Plus my parents think it is all in my head and that depression is something we can all control
Thank you for sharing your experience. I hope things get better for you.
 
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Feb 21, 2023
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I have more than many experiences with mental health experiences, so my answer to this will be VERY huge... But here it goes, to whoever wants to read it.

First of all, it is important to mention I did all kinds of therapies and been in all kinds of medical facilities. I was put on therapy from when I was 4 years old, an order from the court, due to the violent nature of my mother's and father's divorce back then. Since I was just a kid, while they were going through the court process of divorce, therapy was mandatory for me, trying to prevent me from going mentally broken. (That didn't work apparently, and here I am lol)

I have a lot of memories starting when I was 4 years, it is not that much unusual, but still is that I do, but mostly because of how my reality impacted me from a very young age, I assume.

Back then I was followed by a therapist assigned by the court, so someone who works as a clinical psychologist and social worker. I can't say much about it, therapy when you are that young usually means they are making you draw things they ask, or asking indirect questions to you about what they think might be affecting you at the moment (in my case, questions about my parents, to see if I was afraid of any one of them, or if I was suffering with their divorce). I cannot say I had a good or bad experience with that one, she was very caring, and she gave me a bunch of toys back then that I kept until my teens years, but there was nothing much going on, though I was already not particularly healthy back then, not that I would speak about it in such a tender age. Overall, I don't think I was ever mentally healthy, and I am probably like this since birth - at least I do not remember a moment in my life I wasn't how I am now.

Moving forward, I was put in therapy when I was 12 years again, this one was a professional that worked in my school. A teacher of mine had been observing me for a long time during the school year back then, and since they always saw I had antisocial behavior, not talking with other students, playing with them, and I mostly seemed shut down inside my own head, she had her concerns about me and, without saying a word, she made it so I would be called and had no choice but to at least attend a first session. I don't blame her, neither felt betrayed - she was genuinely concerned that something was not ok with me and after I went to the first session, she spoke with me directly, told me it was her, and told me she spent many months thinking on how to address the situation without herself being too invasive to me, and she concluded the best way was to have a professional - who is required to maintain confidentiality - to listen to me instead of her asking me directly and that probably causing me to shut down or asking to change class for thinking she was unto me for some reason.

That therapy didn't last long because back then my mentality was simply "leave me alone, I do not trust humans at all, not one of them". I was already learning psychology back then, because it has always been something I took interest in from a tender age, so I was learning and reading books on my own free time - so I recognized the techniques that professional was using, and it was very easy to lie and pretend everything was alright, when it wasn't. Again, I cannot complain, they were just trying to figure out if something was wrong, and if I actually needed help with anything at all.

Then, this is where it starts getting heavier, darker, and probably more extreme.

I left my home when I was 15 years old after a plan was set in move to report my mother to the authorities (physical and mental abuse from my mother, to put it short and simple), and so I was taken in a children protection program and moved to a government's house for that purpose, to keep me safe from her, all the while attending court here and there for declaration purposes and for them to understand the full story of how everything started and what happened exactly. At that moment, once again, court requested that I was put into therapy and closely watched as, back then, my body had not only the marks left by my own mother beating the hell out of me, but also my own self-harm marks.

I was being followed by a psychoanalyst woman that also worked as a supervisor to the house I was put to live in. She was very nice, and she actually helped me quite a lot back then, to understand some things about myself, and to deal with a bunch of other things. If I am still alive, in a way, she is one of the reasons why, honestly. I did attempt to kill myself while I was there, and when we started the therapy sessions. The first bad experience started in the emergency room of that hospital when I was caught in my suicide attempt and carried there.

There was a team of several doctors waiting for me already, due to the nature of what led me there. When I arrived there, I immediately sensed the hostile posture of them towards me. They were pissed that I tried to commit suicide so young, and therefore thought of it as a valid reason to be angry at me! I tried to do it back then, by cutting vertically my forearm from the wrist down and my thigh, from the knee, down. They were grabbing my arm in an aggressive way, all the why yelling at my face "WHY DID YOU DO THIS HUH?! THINK IT'S FUNNY?! YOU THINK YOU HAVE PROBLEMS?! WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE AN ADULT TO SEE WHAT PROBLEMS ARE LIKE!". This sort of thing. I was unmovable really, they wanted to be idiots like that, I could also be an idiot. So I refused to answer everything they asked me and told them to fuck off and mind their own business. I was there for at least an hour being pressured to open myself up and actually speak of the why I did that. I never did answer them though - that is definitely not how you make a person talk, much less one that was taken from their mother after bring tortured in so many different ways, both physically and psychologically - that there, was only a reminder that there are more people like my mother out there. After treating me like shit, they let me go to address the wounds - yes I was there bleeding for more than an hour because they really wanted to get me talking first - not that I minded, more blood lost, more chances to die, but of course I knew they would not let me just die, so...

After that episode, I kept my therapy sessions with the psychoanalyst but was also forced to take some pills and go be followed by a pedopsychiatrist. I am going to sum the psychiatrist with only "Are you feeling better this week? No? Then let's increase your pills" - this went on until I was taking risperidone, trazodone, xanax, aripiprazole, valerian (natural medication), and at least two other pills which I cannot remember right now. Yes, all at the same time. I was ingesting a cocktail of basically more than 20 pills a day, distributed from morning to before sleep. Yes, I was a living zombie, which only made me feel worse, not better, but oh well.

Fast forward again to when I was 18. I chugged more than 200 of my trazodone pills I was medicated with at that time in hopes that would kill me. But my body rejected it, as I puked some of the pills and, while I managed to keep the rest inside, I suppose my SI kicked in, although it is all a fog nowadays in my head, but it seems I crawled all the way from the secluded place I was to not be found, to where I was living at the time, for the people I was living with to find me. I don't remember doing so consciously, but that is what they told me happened. I was taken in an ambulance, and then I was put in the psych ward, cause that was my second attempt, that they knew about, and my history of therapy and meds was huge already.

These things I remember perfectly, even though I was still heavily medicated. After waking up and being more conscious in there, I asked a nurse to go to the bathroom, I was not being able to hold my pee anymore. They ignored me. For hours. I kept calling them to no avail. So I ended up peeing myself for not being able to hold anymore. That was when they came, finally, because they saw the pee on the floor, down the chair I was sitting. They put me on diapers saying "since you act like a baby, you are going to be treated like one".

The next day, there was a doctor there when I woke up after the fact that went "So young and already causing so much trouble. You know what your problem is? Your mother didn't slap you when she should, or else you would not be doing these things to people." I snapped. Saying that to my face without knowing anything about me or about what went down with my family... I snapped and I attacked him, toon a chunk of his ear before they managed to grab me with security and other doctors and put me in a straight jacket.

No problem. I was used to be tied up anyway, courtesy of my mother, so I learnt as a kid to dislocate my shoulders in order to untie myself in any situation that requires it, so I just removed it from me, and watching that, they immediate grabbed me and, this time, they tied me up to the bed I was.

The guy was acting disgusting again later on, by asking me if I wanted to eat, and I of course, said yes, as I am still a living being who gets hungry. He put the board with a plate on top of my belly (I was laying, tied to each side of the bed, wrists and ankles), and so I asked him how I was supposed to eat like that (I had been slowly and carefully removing one of the ties from my left wrist in the past hours without them realizing, so at that moment I could free my left hand already if I wanted to, and could fastly free my other hand too). He told me "dogs don't require anything other than their tongues to eat, so you can eat like that too".

I obviously enjoyed that, right? :) I freed my left hand and told him: "Here is your two options: bring me a fork and a knife for me to eat properly, and do not even try to tie me up again, or next time I get up it won't be your ear, but your life, and trust me, I am heavily medicated already, you can bring a full army, I will find a way." I think he always pissed his pants. But he brought me the stuff while making me promise I would "behave". So I left him alone and ate.

I also saw a life support of an old guy beeping out, warning that his heart stopped (he was apparently in a bad condition, cause he was unconscious all the time I was there) and, after someone yelled "can someone check that please? His heart stopped!" , I heard a nurse saying "Whatever, just turn off the machine, he does not have family that will come anyway, besides he is old already, no point in saving him now." - this angered me because that person was not in a condition to state themselves if they wanted to die or live, they were put to sleep all the time they were there, I haven't once seen someone picking him up, waking him or talking with him, just saw nurses putting more and more sedatives on him as time went on, to keep him asleep. He died there, in front of everyone, and someone came picking his body after.

Finally after that, the psychiatrist came and took me to the appointment for assessment. He immediately went: "I saw your history, you are staying here until further notice". I just said "No, I am walking away right now as I am 18, and even if I wasn't, I am emancipated by the law since I was 16, and therefore treated as an adult by the law. The law states that, unless I am considered a danger to others, I cannot be forced into hospitalization. I am obviously not a danger to others, even if I am to myself, but that is my problem, not yours, and therefore, I am telling you I do not wish for treatment right now and I am walking away right now. This place is disgusting, and your co workers have no human touch to be working with mentally ill people. It's disgusting how I ended up hurting your co worker after what he said to me, and I am the one considered to be in the wrong. I am walking away, right now, and if you try to stop me, I am pressing charges and we both know how that will end for you, not for me, after what I witnessed while here".

Period. He let me go immediately. Here goes one last story.

I was 19 and had an immediate impulsive crysis. I did not want to do anything, I just wanted someone to help me calm down, so I went to the ER. While there, what I got for an answer was "I am sorry, psych emergency services are closed at the moment, but we can schedule an appointment for you on.... Well, 6 months from now." Yeah. Perfect. I need it NOW, not 6 months from now, otherwise I would not have come to the ER.

They sent me away, until I was just breaking down inside, which led me to cause quite a confusion, me yelling, breaking things apart, and looking them in the eye and saying "Is this what you require to assist me? To see me like this? I am telling you I need help, to not hurt another person, and to not hurt myself, but unless you see me going crazy like this, you won't help me? If this is what you need, this is what you get".

I was immediately sent to another hospital, had my appointment and even got appointments for throughout the full year and the next year scheduled already. Yeah, I needed to snap and look really crazy for them to finally find a solution - when there was none moments ago before I snapped. Wonderful.

I am leaving a lot of details out, but this is already such a huge post...

After this episode, I was assigned a wonderful team of psychologists and psychiatrists, they did indeed help me in so many different ways, and for the first time in my life, I was able to live without feeling constantly a heavy weight in my chest. I was able to enjoy life and be able to deal with problems efficiently. I still am nowadays, but... I don't feel like what that implies suits me, I don't feel like I want that, and hence I am here. I won't talk about the reasons why I did that, or why I want that, that does not belong to this thread. But whoever might be curious, I'm open to questions of any kind, of course.
 
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I have more than many experiences with mental health experiences, so my answer to this will be VERY huge... But here it goes, to whoever wants to read it.

First of all, it is important to mention I did all kinds of therapies and been in all kinds of medical facilities. I was put on therapy from when I was 4 years old, an order from the court, due to the violent nature of my mother's and father's divorce back then. Since I was just a kid, while they were going through the court process of divorce, therapy was mandatory for me, trying to prevent me from going mentally broken. (That didn't work apparently, and here I am lol)

I have a lot of memories starting when I was 4 years, it is not that much unusual, but still is that I do, but mostly because of how my reality impacted me from a very young age, I assume.

Back then I was followed by a therapist assigned by the court, so someone who works as a clinical psychologist and social worker. I can't say much about it, therapy when you are that young usually means they are making you draw things they ask, or asking indirect questions to you about what they think might be affecting you at the moment (in my case, questions about my parents, to see if I was afraid of any one of them, or if I was suffering with their divorce). I cannot say I had a good or bad experience with that one, she was very caring, and she gave me a bunch of toys back then that I kept until my teens years, but there was nothing much going on, though I was already not particularly healthy back then, not that I would speak about it in such a tender age. Overall, I don't think I was ever mentally healthy, and I am probably like this since birth - at least I do not remember a moment in my life I wasn't how I am now.

Moving forward, I was put in therapy when I was 12 years again, this one was a professional that worked in my school. A teacher of mine had been observing me for a long time during the school year back then, and since they always saw I had antisocial behavior, not talking with other students, playing with them, and I mostly seemed shut down inside my own head, she had her concerns about me and, without saying a word, she made it so I would be called and had no choice but to at least attend a first session. I don't blame her, neither felt betrayed - she was genuinely concerned that something was not ok with me and after I went to the first session, she spoke with me directly, told me it was her, and told me she spent many months thinking on how to address the situation without herself being too invasive to me, and she concluded the best way was to have a professional - who is required to maintain confidentiality - to listen to me instead of her asking me directly and that probably causing me to shut down or asking to change class for thinking she was unto me for some reason.

That therapy didn't last long because back then my mentality was simply "leave me alone, I do not trust humans at all, not one of them". I was already learning psychology back then, because it has always been something I took interest in from a tender age, so I was learning and reading books on my own free time - so I recognized the techniques that professional was using, and it was very easy to lie and pretend everything was alright, when it wasn't. Again, I cannot complain, they were just trying to figure out if something was wrong, and if I actually needed help with anything at all.

Then, this is where it starts getting heavier, darker, and probably more extreme.

I left my home when I was 15 years old after a plan was set in move to report my mother to the authorities (physical and mental abuse from my mother, to put it short and simple), and so I was taken in a children protection program and moved to a government's house for that purpose, to keep me safe from her, all the while attending court here and there for declaration purposes and for them to understand the full story of how everything started and what happened exactly. At that moment, once again, court requested that I was put into therapy and closely watched as, back then, my body had not only the marks left by my own mother beating the hell out of me, but also my own self-harm marks.

I was being followed by a psychoanalyst woman that also worked as a supervisor to the house I was put to live in. She was very nice, and she actually helped me quite a lot back then, to understand some things about myself, and to deal with a bunch of other things. If I am still alive, in a way, she is one of the reasons why, honestly. I did attempt to kill myself while I was there, and when we started the therapy sessions. The first bad experience started in the emergency room of that hospital when I was caught in my suicide attempt and carried there.

There was a team of several doctors waiting for me already, due to the nature of what led me there. When I arrived there, I immediately sensed the hostile posture of them towards me. They were pissed that I tried to commit suicide so young, and therefore thought of it as a valid reason to be angry at me! I tried to do it back then, by cutting vertically my forearm from the wrist down and my thigh, from the knee, down. They were grabbing my arm in an aggressive way, all the why yelling at my face "WHY DID YOU DO THIS HUH?! THINK IT'S FUNNY?! YOU THINK YOU HAVE PROBLEMS?! WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE AN ADULT TO SEE WHAT PROBLEMS ARE LIKE!". This sort of thing. I was unmovable really, they wanted to be idiots like that, I could also be an idiot. So I refused to answer everything they asked me and told them to fuck off and mind their own business. I was there for at least an hour being pressured to open myself up and actually speak of the why I did that. I never did answer them though - that is definitely not how you make a person talk, much less one that was taken from their mother after bring tortured in so many different ways, both physically and psychologically - that there, was only a reminder that there are more people like my mother out there. After treating me like shit, they let me go to address the wounds - yes I was there bleeding for more than an hour because they really wanted to get me talking first - not that I minded, more blood lost, more chances to die, but of course I knew they would not let me just die, so...

After that episode, I kept my therapy sessions with the psychoanalyst but was also forced to take some pills and go be followed by a pedopsychiatrist. I am going to sum the psychiatrist with only "Are you feeling better this week? No? Then let's increase your pills" - this went on until I was taking risperidone, trazodone, xanax, aripiprazole, valerian (natural medication), and at least two other pills which I cannot remember right now. Yes, all at the same time. I was ingesting a cocktail of basically more than 20 pills a day, distributed from morning to before sleep. Yes, I was a living zombie, which only made me feel worse, not better, but oh well.

Fast forward again to when I was 18. I chugged more than 200 of my trazodone pills I was medicated with at that time in hopes that would kill me. But my body rejected it, as I puked some of the pills and, while I managed to keep the rest inside, I suppose my SI kicked in, although it is all a fog nowadays in my head, but it seems I crawled all the way from the secluded place I was to not be found, to where I was living at the time, for the people I was living with to find me. I don't remember doing so consciously, but that is what they told me happened. I was taken in an ambulance, and then I was put in the psych ward, cause that was my second attempt, that they knew about, and my history of therapy and meds was huge already.

These things I remember perfectly, even though I was still heavily medicated. After waking up and being more conscious in there, I asked a nurse to go to the bathroom, I was not being able to hold my pee anymore. They ignored me. For hours. I kept calling them to no avail. So I ended up peeing myself for not being able to hold anymore. That was when they came, finally, because they saw the pee on the floor, down the chair I was sitting. They put me on diapers saying "since you act like a baby, you are going to be treated like one".

The next day, there was a doctor there when I woke up after the fact that went "So young and already causing so much trouble. You know what your problem is? Your mother didn't slap you when she should, or else you would not be doing these things to people." I snapped. Saying that to my face without knowing anything about me or about what went down with my family... I snapped and I attacked him, toon a chunk of his ear before they managed to grab me with security and other doctors and put me in a straight jacket.

No problem. I was used to be tied up anyway, courtesy of my mother, so I learnt as a kid to dislocate my shoulders in order to untie myself in any situation that requires it, so I just removed it from me, and watching that, they immediate grabbed me and, this time, they tied me up to the bed I was.

The guy was acting disgusting again later on, by asking me if I wanted to eat, and I of course, said yes, as I am still a living being who gets hungry. He put the board with a plate on top of my belly (I was laying, tied to each side of the bed, wrists and ankles), and so I asked him how I was supposed to eat like that (I had been slowly and carefully removing one of the ties from my left wrist in the past hours without them realizing, so at that moment I could free my left hand already if I wanted to, and could fastly free my other hand too). He told me "dogs don't require anything other than their tongues to eat, so you can eat like that too".

I obviously enjoyed that, right? :) I freed my left hand and told him: "Here is your two options: bring me a fork and a knife for me to eat properly, and do not even try to tie me up again, or next time I get up it won't be your ear, but your life, and trust me, I am heavily medicated already, you can bring a full army, I will find a way." I think he always pissed his pants. But he brought me the stuff while making me promise I would "behave". So I left him alone and ate.

I also saw a life support of an old guy beeping out, warning that his heart stopped (he was apparently in a bad condition, cause he was unconscious all the time I was there) and, after someone yelled "can someone check that please? His heart stopped!" , I heard a nurse saying "Whatever, just turn off the machine, he does not have family that will come anyway, besides he is old already, no point in saving him now." - this angered me because that person was not in a condition to state themselves if they wanted to die or live, they were put to sleep all the time they were there, I haven't once seen someone picking him up, waking him or talking with him, just saw nurses putting more and more sedatives on him as time went on, to keep him asleep. He died there, in front of everyone, and someone came picking his body after.

Finally after that, the psychiatrist came and took me to the appointment for assessment. He immediately went: "I saw your history, you are staying here until further notice". I just said "No, I am walking away right now as I am 18, and even if I wasn't, I am emancipated by the law since I was 16, and therefore treated as an adult by the law. The law states that, unless I am considered a danger to others, I cannot be forced into hospitalization. I am obviously not a danger to others, even if I am to myself, but that is my problem, not yours, and therefore, I am telling you I do not wish for treatment right now and I am walking away right now. This place is disgusting, and your co workers have no human touch to be working with mentally ill people. It's disgusting how I ended up hurting your co worker after what he said to me, and I am the one considered to be in the wrong. I am walking away, right now, and if you try to stop me, I am pressing charges and we both know how that will end for you, not for me, after what I witnessed while here".

Period. He let me go immediately. Here goes one last story.

I was 19 and had an immediate impulsive crysis. I did not want to do anything, I just wanted someone to help me calm down, so I went to the ER. While there, what I got for an answer was "I am sorry, psych emergency services are closed at the moment, but we can schedule an appointment for you on.... Well, 6 months from now." Yeah. Perfect. I need it NOW, not 6 months from now, otherwise I would not have come to the ER.

They sent me away, until I was just breaking down inside, which led me to cause quite a confusion, me yelling, breaking things apart, and looking them in the eye and saying "Is this what you require to assist me? To see me like this? I am telling you I need help, to not hurt another person, and to not hurt myself, but unless you see me going crazy like this, you won't help me? If this is what you need, this is what you get".

I was immediately sent to another hospital, had my appointment and even got appointments for throughout the full year and the next year scheduled already. Yeah, I needed to snap and look really crazy for them to finally find a solution - when there was none moments ago before I snapped. Wonderful.

I am leaving a lot of details out, but this is already such a huge post...

After this episode, I was assigned a wonderful team of psychologists and psychiatrists, they did indeed help me in so many different ways, and for the first time in my life, I was able to live without feeling constantly a heavy weight in my chest. I was able to enjoy life and be able to deal with problems efficiently. I still am nowadays, but... I don't feel like what that implies suits me, I don't feel like I want that, and hence I am here. I won't talk about the reasons why I did that, or why I want that, that does not belong to this thread. But whoever might be curious, I'm open to questions of any kind, of course.
Thanks for sharing your experience in such great detail. It is saddening that they treated you this way. Even your own mother was not helpful. Do you know if you could have reported her to the authorities and lived with your father instead?
I guess different areas have different situations as my appointment was also 8 months later when I needed help immediately. Many adults think that children have no reason to CTB. I understand some might overreact like maybe they broke up with their lover and is very depressed so they attempt to CTB but your situation was incredibly different. It is sickening how they treat people who underwent such abuse like trash whereas they should have been empathetic and kind.
It's really good that you have proper help now. Do you know why your parents divorced or why you could not have simply lived with your father? Did he know what your mother did? Or was he equally abusive?
 
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Viranamari

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After my failed attempt to ctb I had to sign a contract stating that I will voluntarily be locked up in the psychiatry. If I didn't sign they said they'd have to lock me up involuntarily for at least two weeks. So they blackmailed me. They said I could go after a day if I feel better. They said the same the next day and the next and then they moved the date back to a week later.
After the first few hours I noticed I'm scared of being locked in. I didn't say anything before because guess what. I've never been locked up that long in my life before so I didn't even know I was scared to be locked up.

All of my concerns were ignored and I was told:
"You only want to go out so you can ctb. It's your fault that you're here. If you hadn't attempted you wouldn't be here. Now deal with it."

I cried the whole time I was in there because I was so scared of being locked in but nobody cared. They told me to stop acting because they were convinced I faked it and that I just wanted to get out and ctb.


The first two days I didn't even get to have a meeting with a psychologist because it was the weekend. After the weekend I had one daily meeting for 30 minutes. All they did was ask me if I still wanted to ctb. That was it. It didn't help at all. It made everything worse. If they wouldn't have let me out after a week because I kept crying to my parents I'd have slammed my head against the wall as hard as possible.

I'm traumatized. I cannot watch movies in which someone is being held captive anymore. I get panic attacks only watching the scenes. A few months ago I had a panic attack outside because I realized that I couldn't leave earth and felt like I was locked in the atmosphere. It's so hard to describe it but it's just so terrifying to me. I'm now scared of the front door being locked. Being late in supermarkets or shops because they could close and I'd be locked up in there. These are just a few things. I even get panic attacks when the door doesn't open up fast enough. Being alone in elevators is a big no for me. If I don't have the key for a door which can be locked I'm scared someone will lock me in there and I won't be able to get out.

Before I was locked up I didn't have these problems. After I got out I went to a therapist and told her about that to which she replied: "But no one is locking you up right now so it's not a problem."

This made me hate the mental health system so much. It's unbelievable.


Also I shared a room with a girl who broke my toothbrush to use for sh later. I told the staff that I didn't have a toothbrush anymore. They searched for the broken brush. After that I had to brush my teeth under surveillance but my roommate didn't. How tf. If I had wanted to use it for sh purposes I wouldn't have told the staff! I didn't even have sh scars back then!
Your experience sounds really horrible. If only all mental health systems were good.
 
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Do you know why your parents divorced or why you could not have simply lived with your father? Did he know what your mother did? Or was he equally abusive?
Do you know if you could have reported her to the authorities and lived with your father instead?

That's another long story, but I'll try to sum this up:

My mother is a diagnosed narcissist, she is very manipulative, very unstable, and very dangerous. Even when I managed to leave my home when I was 15 years, it was a very risky plan, that could have gone wrong and she would definitely end my life - though I wish to die, I want it to be by my own hand, not others (specially her), makes sense?

My father is no saint, but definitely better than her, however, that was not an option. My father left home when I was 4, she had a restriction order against him. Yes, she managed even that through her lies. She used to cut herself open with knives, and then call the police saying it was him, I still remember one of those moments. My father left and I never saw him again until I was 16 years, when court called him for declarations based on my case, after going under children protection program.

My father knew, obviously, how crazy she could be, and I do not know why he left without putting up a fight - maybe he thought that she would not hurt me, because I was her son, or maybe because he himself didn't want/couldn't raise me at that time. I don't know.

Nowadays I speak with my father, after we met back then, however we are not close - only grab a meal every once in a while, or something like that - and I do not want to get close to him. I feel nothing about it. Either him being here or not, it matters not to me.
 
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That's another long story, but I'll try to sum this up:

My mother is a diagnosed narcissist, she is very manipulative, very unstable, and very dangerous. Even when I managed to leave my home when I was 15 years, it was a very risky plan, that could have gone wrong and she would definitely end my life - though I wish to die, I want it to be by my own hand, not others (specially her), makes sense?

My father is no saint, but definitely better than her, however, that was not an option. My father left home when I was 4, she had a restriction order against him. Yes, she managed even that through her lies. She used to cut herself open with knives, and then call the police saying it was him, I still remember one of those moments. My father left and I never saw him again until I was 16 years, when court called him for declarations based on my case, after going under children protection program.

My father knew, obviously, how crazy she could be, and I do not know why he left without putting up a fight - maybe he thought that she would not hurt me, because I was her son, or maybe because he himself didn't want/couldn't raise me at that time. I don't know.

Nowadays I speak with my father, after we met back then, however we are not close - only grab a meal every once in a while, or something like that - and I do not want to get close to him. I feel nothing about it. Either him being here or not, it matters not to me.
That sounds horrible. Does your mother seek therapy for her diagnosis or does she have any medication or literally anything? Your father does not appear to be too responsible but definitely better than your mother. I hope you are now in a better place.
 
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I'm here does partly because of MH treatment and not in spite of it.
 
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In America, the mental health system is pretty bad, which may surprise many. I've been inpatient 27 times, and zero were good. I've been restrained for no reason, sedated, tied to beds, manhandled by police, and locked up for up to two weeks. The food is horrible and so is the medical and psychiatric care. One time I was being restrained by like 8 people, so in a desperate move I bit someone so hard they actually had to get off of me, and they proceeded to cover my mouth with some cloth, making it hard for me to breathe. But hey, at least I tricked the doctor in the most recent mental hospital I was in to give me meto, so that's something.
 
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My experience was almost 30 years ago in the US, so I doubt it's still relevant today.

But one of the things I wonder about is how long they plan to keep patients? Also, who's paying for it if you don't have insurance?

If I found myself involuntarily locked up today, I imagine taunting them with the fact that they can't hold me forever.

I'd also probably try to organize a rebellion and get kicked out or sent to a real jail.

(But I'd really like to know who's paying for the stay with uninsured citizens).
 
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I have more than many experiences with mental health experiences, so my answer to this will be VERY huge... But here it goes, to whoever wants to read it.

First of all, it is important to mention I did all kinds of therapies and been in all kinds of medical facilities. I was put on therapy from when I was 4 years old, an order from the court, due to the violent nature of my mother's and father's divorce back then. Since I was just a kid, while they were going through the court process of divorce, therapy was mandatory for me, trying to prevent me from going mentally broken. (That didn't work apparently, and here I am lol)

I have a lot of memories starting when I was 4 years, it is not that much unusual, but still is that I do, but mostly because of how my reality impacted me from a very young age, I assume.

Back then I was followed by a therapist assigned by the court, so someone who works as a clinical psychologist and social worker. I can't say much about it, therapy when you are that young usually means they are making you draw things they ask, or asking indirect questions to you about what they think might be affecting you at the moment (in my case, questions about my parents, to see if I was afraid of any one of them, or if I was suffering with their divorce). I cannot say I had a good or bad experience with that one, she was very caring, and she gave me a bunch of toys back then that I kept until my teens years, but there was nothing much going on, though I was already not particularly healthy back then, not that I would speak about it in such a tender age. Overall, I don't think I was ever mentally healthy, and I am probably like this since birth - at least I do not remember a moment in my life I wasn't how I am now.

Moving forward, I was put in therapy when I was 12 years again, this one was a professional that worked in my school. A teacher of mine had been observing me for a long time during the school year back then, and since they always saw I had antisocial behavior, not talking with other students, playing with them, and I mostly seemed shut down inside my own head, she had her concerns about me and, without saying a word, she made it so I would be called and had no choice but to at least attend a first session. I don't blame her, neither felt betrayed - she was genuinely concerned that something was not ok with me and after I went to the first session, she spoke with me directly, told me it was her, and told me she spent many months thinking on how to address the situation without herself being too invasive to me, and she concluded the best way was to have a professional - who is required to maintain confidentiality - to listen to me instead of her asking me directly and that probably causing me to shut down or asking to change class for thinking she was unto me for some reason.

That therapy didn't last long because back then my mentality was simply "leave me alone, I do not trust humans at all, not one of them". I was already learning psychology back then, because it has always been something I took interest in from a tender age, so I was learning and reading books on my own free time - so I recognized the techniques that professional was using, and it was very easy to lie and pretend everything was alright, when it wasn't. Again, I cannot complain, they were just trying to figure out if something was wrong, and if I actually needed help with anything at all.

Then, this is where it starts getting heavier, darker, and probably more extreme.

I left my home when I was 15 years old after a plan was set in move to report my mother to the authorities (physical and mental abuse from my mother, to put it short and simple), and so I was taken in a children protection program and moved to a government's house for that purpose, to keep me safe from her, all the while attending court here and there for declaration purposes and for them to understand the full story of how everything started and what happened exactly. At that moment, once again, court requested that I was put into therapy and closely watched as, back then, my body had not only the marks left by my own mother beating the hell out of me, but also my own self-harm marks.

I was being followed by a psychoanalyst woman that also worked as a supervisor to the house I was put to live in. She was very nice, and she actually helped me quite a lot back then, to understand some things about myself, and to deal with a bunch of other things. If I am still alive, in a way, she is one of the reasons why, honestly. I did attempt to kill myself while I was there, and when we started the therapy sessions. The first bad experience started in the emergency room of that hospital when I was caught in my suicide attempt and carried there.

There was a team of several doctors waiting for me already, due to the nature of what led me there. When I arrived there, I immediately sensed the hostile posture of them towards me. They were pissed that I tried to commit suicide so young, and therefore thought of it as a valid reason to be angry at me! I tried to do it back then, by cutting vertically my forearm from the wrist down and my thigh, from the knee, down. They were grabbing my arm in an aggressive way, all the why yelling at my face "WHY DID YOU DO THIS HUH?! THINK IT'S FUNNY?! YOU THINK YOU HAVE PROBLEMS?! WAIT UNTIL YOU ARE AN ADULT TO SEE WHAT PROBLEMS ARE LIKE!". This sort of thing. I was unmovable really, they wanted to be idiots like that, I could also be an idiot. So I refused to answer everything they asked me and told them to fuck off and mind their own business. I was there for at least an hour being pressured to open myself up and actually speak of the why I did that. I never did answer them though - that is definitely not how you make a person talk, much less one that was taken from their mother after bring tortured in so many different ways, both physically and psychologically - that there, was only a reminder that there are more people like my mother out there. After treating me like shit, they let me go to address the wounds - yes I was there bleeding for more than an hour because they really wanted to get me talking first - not that I minded, more blood lost, more chances to die, but of course I knew they would not let me just die, so...

After that episode, I kept my therapy sessions with the psychoanalyst but was also forced to take some pills and go be followed by a pedopsychiatrist. I am going to sum the psychiatrist with only "Are you feeling better this week? No? Then let's increase your pills" - this went on until I was taking risperidone, trazodone, xanax, aripiprazole, valerian (natural medication), and at least two other pills which I cannot remember right now. Yes, all at the same time. I was ingesting a cocktail of basically more than 20 pills a day, distributed from morning to before sleep. Yes, I was a living zombie, which only made me feel worse, not better, but oh well.

Fast forward again to when I was 18. I chugged more than 200 of my trazodone pills I was medicated with at that time in hopes that would kill me. But my body rejected it, as I puked some of the pills and, while I managed to keep the rest inside, I suppose my SI kicked in, although it is all a fog nowadays in my head, but it seems I crawled all the way from the secluded place I was to not be found, to where I was living at the time, for the people I was living with to find me. I don't remember doing so consciously, but that is what they told me happened. I was taken in an ambulance, and then I was put in the psych ward, cause that was my second attempt, that they knew about, and my history of therapy and meds was huge already.

These things I remember perfectly, even though I was still heavily medicated. After waking up and being more conscious in there, I asked a nurse to go to the bathroom, I was not being able to hold my pee anymore. They ignored me. For hours. I kept calling them to no avail. So I ended up peeing myself for not being able to hold anymore. That was when they came, finally, because they saw the pee on the floor, down the chair I was sitting. They put me on diapers saying "since you act like a baby, you are going to be treated like one".

The next day, there was a doctor there when I woke up after the fact that went "So young and already causing so much trouble. You know what your problem is? Your mother didn't slap you when she should, or else you would not be doing these things to people." I snapped. Saying that to my face without knowing anything about me or about what went down with my family... I snapped and I attacked him, toon a chunk of his ear before they managed to grab me with security and other doctors and put me in a straight jacket.

No problem. I was used to be tied up anyway, courtesy of my mother, so I learnt as a kid to dislocate my shoulders in order to untie myself in any situation that requires it, so I just removed it from me, and watching that, they immediate grabbed me and, this time, they tied me up to the bed I was.

The guy was acting disgusting again later on, by asking me if I wanted to eat, and I of course, said yes, as I am still a living being who gets hungry. He put the board with a plate on top of my belly (I was laying, tied to each side of the bed, wrists and ankles), and so I asked him how I was supposed to eat like that (I had been slowly and carefully removing one of the ties from my left wrist in the past hours without them realizing, so at that moment I could free my left hand already if I wanted to, and could fastly free my other hand too). He told me "dogs don't require anything other than their tongues to eat, so you can eat like that too".

I obviously enjoyed that, right? :) I freed my left hand and told him: "Here is your two options: bring me a fork and a knife for me to eat properly, and do not even try to tie me up again, or next time I get up it won't be your ear, but your life, and trust me, I am heavily medicated already, you can bring a full army, I will find a way." I think he always pissed his pants. But he brought me the stuff while making me promise I would "behave". So I left him alone and ate.

I also saw a life support of an old guy beeping out, warning that his heart stopped (he was apparently in a bad condition, cause he was unconscious all the time I was there) and, after someone yelled "can someone check that please? His heart stopped!" , I heard a nurse saying "Whatever, just turn off the machine, he does not have family that will come anyway, besides he is old already, no point in saving him now." - this angered me because that person was not in a condition to state themselves if they wanted to die or live, they were put to sleep all the time they were there, I haven't once seen someone picking him up, waking him or talking with him, just saw nurses putting more and more sedatives on him as time went on, to keep him asleep. He died there, in front of everyone, and someone came picking his body after.

Finally after that, the psychiatrist came and took me to the appointment for assessment. He immediately went: "I saw your history, you are staying here until further notice". I just said "No, I am walking away right now as I am 18, and even if I wasn't, I am emancipated by the law since I was 16, and therefore treated as an adult by the law. The law states that, unless I am considered a danger to others, I cannot be forced into hospitalization. I am obviously not a danger to others, even if I am to myself, but that is my problem, not yours, and therefore, I am telling you I do not wish for treatment right now and I am walking away right now. This place is disgusting, and your co workers have no human touch to be working with mentally ill people. It's disgusting how I ended up hurting your co worker after what he said to me, and I am the one considered to be in the wrong. I am walking away, right now, and if you try to stop me, I am pressing charges and we both know how that will end for you, not for me, after what I witnessed while here".

Period. He let me go immediately. Here goes one last story.

I was 19 and had an immediate impulsive crysis. I did not want to do anything, I just wanted someone to help me calm down, so I went to the ER. While there, what I got for an answer was "I am sorry, psych emergency services are closed at the moment, but we can schedule an appointment for you on.... Well, 6 months from now." Yeah. Perfect. I need it NOW, not 6 months from now, otherwise I would not have come to the ER.

They sent me away, until I was just breaking down inside, which led me to cause quite a confusion, me yelling, breaking things apart, and looking them in the eye and saying "Is this what you require to assist me? To see me like this? I am telling you I need help, to not hurt another person, and to not hurt myself, but unless you see me going crazy like this, you won't help me? If this is what you need, this is what you get".

I was immediately sent to another hospital, had my appointment and even got appointments for throughout the full year and the next year scheduled already. Yeah, I needed to snap and look really crazy for them to finally find a solution - when there was none moments ago before I snapped. Wonderful.

I am leaving a lot of details out, but this is already such a huge post...

After this episode, I was assigned a wonderful team of psychologists and psychiatrists, they did indeed help me in so many different ways, and for the first time in my life, I was able to live without feeling constantly a heavy weight in my chest. I was able to enjoy life and be able to deal with problems efficiently. I still am nowadays, but... I don't feel like what that implies suits me, I don't feel like I want that, and hence I am here. I won't talk about the reasons why I did that, or why I want that, that does not belong to this thread. But whoever might be curious, I'm open to questions of any kind, of course.
Holy fuck that sounds horrible, I'm really sorry all that happened. I overdosed on trazodone once too, and holy crap was it miserable, so I know how that feels. Once you get to the point when you snap, it's a terrible feeling, because you really can't control your actions, and I hate it. Sending virtual hugs!
 
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In America, the mental health system is pretty bad, which may surprise many. I've been inpatient 27 times, and zero were good. I've been restrained for no reason, sedated, tied to beds, manhandled by police, and locked up for up to two weeks. The food is horrible and so is the medical and psychiatric care. One time I was being restrained by like 8 people, so in a desperate move I bit someone so hard they actually had to get off of me, and they proceeded to cover my mouth with some cloth, making it hard for me to breathe. But hey, at least I tricked the doctor in the most recent mental hospital I was in to give me meto, so that's something.

What happens to make them let you out each time? Do you cooperate and say what they want you to say?

If so, what do you think the response would be if you refused to play along (and insisted that you will ctb whenever you get out)?

Surely they can't keep you indefinitely, right?

Sorry for all the questions but this is one of those areas I need to brush up on - just in case.
 
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What happens to make them let you out each time? Do you cooperate and say what they want you to say?

If so, what do you think the response would be if you refused to play along (and insisted that you will ctb whenever you get out)?

Surely they can't keep you indefinitely, right?

Sorry for all the questions but this is one of those areas I need to brush up on - just in case.
They usually let me out within a week because I will lie and tell them I'm improving and that I don't want to CTB. When I was younger (12-15) I didn't do this, so I'd be kept longer, and some would treat me as less than human. Where I live in the US, Colorado, there is an initial 72 hour hold called an M1, where you're stuck there by law. After that, you can sign in "voluntarily", or get put on something called a short term cert, where they can keep you theoretically for up to 180 days, or about half a year. If you get put in a mental hospital, it's suggest to just lie, but do it convincingly, tbh that's the only thing mental hospitals have taught me.
 
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Wow you seen a doctor after ONLY 2hr 45min.! That is awesome! Here our wait time is 6-10 if come on week day but week end? Yeah take a nap on the floor and maybe Dr see you Sun? Monday? Oh and no there is 2 beds for the physically disabled so good luck. Bring a pillow the ones they give and the little 10 inch mat is a joke. This IS the USA. Well one state. If you do something to make them notice you and the see it is NOT all in your head. Like me slam your head into the wall a couple times until you bleed or pass out . That always worked for me and I get what I wanted a Dr and a good safe place to sleep. The Dr not psych Dr but medical to stitch me up and then strip all my clothes off and put me into the nice soft padded room with nice sleep area and blanket too if you need it. Sorry your country treat you so badly. It was wrong what they do. I hope you never have to go through that again. No matter what your future holds Ctb or no or get help, I only wish for you Peace in whatever you do.
 
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That sounds horrible. Does your mother seek therapy for her diagnosis or does she have any medication or literally anything? Your father does not appear to be too responsible but definitely better than your mother. I hope you are now in a better place.
No, my mother refused treatment of any kind and does not accept her diagnose, which isn't unusual in people like her. She has a bunch of medication she should be taking, she never did. The diagnose was given by forensics, ordered by court during my process against her, where I was also evaluated myself. But nowadays I don't know. I don't see her in years, neither talk to her at all. I have no idea if she did follow treatment or not.

My father still is irresponsible. I still talk to him occasionally, and we have lunch or dinner here and there. Outside of that, I don't seek a close relationship.

I am definitely in a better place now, as I have been living on my own (here and there) since I was 18 years old, even though, I can't say it is ideal, not all times are/were great, I am still far better than I was back then. Thank you.
Holy fuck that sounds horrible, I'm really sorry all that happened. I overdosed on trazodone once too, and holy crap was it miserable, so I know how that feels. Once you get to the point when you snap, it's a terrible feeling, because you really can't control your actions, and I hate it. Sending virtual hugs!
Thank you! Yes, it was quite a miserable moment of my life for sure. Hugs for you too
 
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