Maybe it's jumping after all... some questions

[FadeToBlack1109]

So, I used to be dead set on doing partial, mostly because firearms aren't an option in my country and there's no good jumping spot in my area.

However, I'm gonna be traveling to a really beautiful nordic country soon with lots of cliffs that are up to 700 meters tall. Although the one I'd probably choose just by online research is 140 meters. However, most of these cliffs are overlooking water. I have never seriously researched ctb by jumping, so I have a few questions...

-Am I correct in the assumption that a 140m fall into water is almost guaranteed death?

-How much pain am I gonna feel from the impact? Not talking about the psychological dread while falling, but the actual Impact.

-Which option should I choose between, say, a 50m fall onto rocks and a 100m fall into water?

-When jumping into water, should I try and land on my head or just flat, like a belly flop? Is there even a way to control my body while falling?

-I'm a tall and heavy male, 192cm and 130kg. Does this mean I'll reach higher speeds when falling, because I'm so heavy, or lower speeds because there's more air resistance when falling flat?

Thanks a lot for any input! Like I said, I did several months of research into partial hanging, but jumping is completely new territory for me and I only have a few days to learn more

 

[TooManyChances]

I know this is not what you want to hear, but I wouldn't choose jumping unless it was on hard concrete and a tall ass building (though acceleration has a limit).

That being said, if you were to jump onto water, even if you survive, you will probabmy drown. What we don't know is if you will be conscious or not. And I don't know if the height is enough either.

I hope you find success in your travels, even if you don't ctb.

 

[FadeToBlack1109]

I know this is not what you want to hear, but I wouldn't choose jumping unless it was on hard concrete and a tall ass building (though acceleration has a limit).

That being said, if you were to jump onto water, even if you survive, you will probabmy drown. What we don't know is if you will be conscious or not. And I don't know if the height is enough either.

I hope you find success in your travels, even if you don't ctb.

Thanks for the reply. Yeah I've been having the same thoughts. The ground is gonna be gravel and small rocks, possibly some sand...

 

[ChainedCrow]

The way u fall doesnt matter u would most likely fall on your front/back and it would be lethal just make sure u dont fall on your feet. If u can manage to land on head it would be beneficial but its not as important with the fall height (into water) u are talking about.
I would still choose water u would be over 24 m over the generally considered fatal height. The more u weight and higher u are would increse the fatality IF u dont have alot of body weight so the fat doesnt act as an cushion.
Consider finding something a hard surface to jump like concrete its way easier and the margin of error is smaller u dont want to paralyzed for the rest of your life. About the pain it should be instant with hard surface on water it might depend. If i were to jump i would try to find the highest thing i could find with a hard surface underneath u dont want to take chances with jumping.
Much love

 

[FadeToBlack1109]

The way u fall doesnt matter u would most likely fall on your front/back and it would be lethal just make sure u dont fall on your feet. If u can manage to land on head it would be beneficial but its not as important with the fall height (into water) u are talking about.
I would still choose water u would be over 24 m over the generally considered fatal height. The more u weight and higher u are would increse the fatality IF u dont have alot of body weight so the fat doesnt act as an cushion.
Consider finding something a hard surface to jump like concrete its way easier and the margin of error is smaller u dont want to paralyzed for the rest of your life. About the pain it should be instant with hard surface on water it might depend. If i were to jump i would try to find the highest thing i could find with a hard surface underneath u dont want to take chances with jumping.
Much love

Thanks :) The surface wouldn't be hard concrete, but mostly gravel, small rocks and sand. A typical black beach. So I guess there's some risk there indeed...

I didn't even consider the cushion effect of my body fat. Yes, I am very overweight. Not morbidly obese, but definitely overweight. Although I can hardly imagine it makes too much of a difference, right?

Regarding the "as high as possible" thing; yeah, that's pretty obvious, but keep in mind these are natural cliffs, they're not perfectly 90° down. Thus the higher the cliff, the more likely it gets to hit the cliff itself and break the fall. So I'd definitely prefer a 100m cliff that's somewhat tilted inwards over a 700m cliff that has a lot of bumps and "ledges" on the way down.

That's actually what I'm most afraid of.

 

[ChainedCrow]

I didn't even consider the cushion effect of my body fat. Yes, I am very overweight. Not morbidly obese, but definitely overweight. Although I can hardly imagine it makes too much of a difference, right?

It wouldnt matter much. Falls from over 27-30m are considered lethal (hard surface)

Regarding the "as high as possible" thing; yeah, that's pretty obvious, but keep in mind these are natural cliffs, they're not perfectly 90° down. Thus the higher the cliff, the more likely it gets to hit the cliff itself and break the fall. So I'd definitely prefer a 100m cliff that's somewhat tilted inwards over a 700m cliff that has a lot of bumps and "ledges" on the way down.

I meant more a jump from a building thats why i said concrete so much. The 100m should be good enough but i personally wouldnt trust water. Even if u hitted one the cliff itself on the fault u would die with a huge amount of pain (matters where u are hit).
In a huge TLDR of both of my posts the heights on both of your spots are high enough to it be generally considered lethal u just need to choose what u feel most comfortable with. Take your time with the decision.
Much love

 

[FadeToBlack1109]

Well, I guess it's almost time now. I'll probably do it tomorrow.

I'm very afraid that SI will get in the way. Does anyone know any tricks for this, specific to jumping?

My best idea is, and hear me out, I know it's gonna look stupid:

What if I just stand 2 meters away from the edge, close my eyes, spin around in a circle a few times so I lose my orientation, and then just walk straight with my eyes closed? I won't know if I'm walking towards the edge or away from it. So it's kinda russian roulette. If it turns out I walked the wrong way, I'll just start over.

That's the best I can come up with, to trick myself into taking that last step. I've also heard the advice to count to 3 but jump on 2. But I don't really see this working.

Any other ideas?

 

[Freedomm]

So, I used to be dead set on doing partial, mostly because firearms aren't an option in my country and there's no good jumping spot in my area.

However, I'm gonna be traveling to a really beautiful nordic country soon with lots of cliffs that are up to 700 meters tall. Although the one I'd probably choose just by online research is 140 meters. However, most of these cliffs are overlooking water. I have never seriously researched ctb by jumping, so I have a few questions...

-Am I correct in the assumption that a 140m fall into water is almost guaranteed death?

-How much pain am I gonna feel from the impact? Not talking about the psychological dread while falling, but the actual Impact.

-Which option should I choose between, say, a 50m fall onto rocks and a 100m fall into water?

-When jumping into water, should I try and land on my head or just flat, like a belly flop? Is there even a way to control my body while falling?

-I'm a tall and heavy male, 192cm and 130kg. Does this mean I'll reach higher speeds when falling, because I'm so heavy, or lower speeds because there's more air resistance when falling flat?

Thanks a lot for any input! Like I said, I did several months of research into partial hanging, but jumping is completely new territory for me and I only have a few days to learn more

In most cases, a fall from 140 meters will lead to death. If you hit the water, you will most likely lose consciousness and suffocate in the water. Perhaps it is more painless than hitting concrete or any hard surface, because you will instantly drown without experiencing pain.

You will not be able to control yourself in the air, you will have panic and reflexes. If I were doing this, I would tie a heavy object around my neck to land on my head.

Your weight does not affect your maximum falling speed, but you will accelerate faster than a light person.

I think I would choose 100 meters into the water, most likely it is a more painless option.

If this is your final decision, then I hope everything goes well and wish you good luck, friend.

 

[knickknack81]

Well, I guess it's almost time now. I'll probably do it tomorrow.

I'm very afraid that SI will get in the way. Does anyone know any tricks for this, specific to jumping?

My best idea is, and hear me out, I know it's gonna look stupid:

What if I just stand 2 meters away from the edge, close my eyes, spin around in a circle a few times so I lose my orientation, and then just walk straight with my eyes closed? I won't know if I'm walking towards the edge or away from it. So it's kinda russian roulette. If it turns out I walked the wrong way, I'll just start over.

That's the best I can come up with, to trick myself into taking that last step. I've also heard the advice to count to 3 but jump on 2. But I don't really see this working.

Any other ideas?

Overcoming SI is the ultimate issue. I have heard others try to trick themselves as to when they jump. Not totally sure if it has worked for them but it is an idea ive heard a few times. Ive also heard people using alcohol or sleeping pills to relax but at the same time, those can relax yr muscles and when you land, it can be a more painful experience if yr muscles are too relaxed. Regardless, however you can combat SI is a victory.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

[FadeToBlack1109]

In most cases, a fall from 140 meters will lead to death. If you hit the water, you will most likely lose consciousness and suffocate in the water. Perhaps it is more painless than hitting concrete or any hard surface, because you will instantly drown without experiencing pain.

You will not be able to control yourself in the air, you will have panic and reflexes. If I were doing this, I would tie a heavy object around my neck to land on my head.

Your weight does not affect your maximum falling speed, but you will accelerate faster than a light person.

I think I would choose 100 meters into the water, most likely it is a more painless option.

If this is your final decision, then I hope everything goes well and wish you good luck, friend.

I was hoping to instantly die on impact. I'd be really scared to "just" go unconscious and then drown, cause what if SI wakes me up? There's no way I'd be able to swim, cause all my bones will have shattered, so it's really just drowning, but in extreme pain from the impact. Doesn't seem very peaceful...

Let's seriously hope the impact kills me. I've read on most sources that the sudden deceleration alone would be enough to kill me, as it would quite literally rip my heart from my veins. I don't know much about human biology, but it sounds very plausible to me.

This is also why I'll try to belly flop I think (if I can at least somewhat control my fall). Cause the area of impact is bigger, which should result in a more extreme stopping effect.

Although this is all theory, so do feel free to point out any misconceptions I might have

 

[cinnamonsticks]

Idk if it works but have read some people saying count till 3 but jump on 2, kinda to trick the brain. idk if it works but I hope you have good luck on whatever you decide