Mask with bag

[Richard Langford]

A newbie question. Why does a standard Oyygen mask with attached bag not work with gasses? It works with Oxygen after all. I just want simplicity and I'm claustrophobic. Silly I know but I am.

 

[*AzRaEl*]

A newbie question. Why does a standard Oyygen mask with attached bag not work with gasses? It works with Oxygen after all. I just want simplicity and I'm claustrophobic. Silly I know but I am.

If you mean using an oxygen mask to deliver inert gas without using a bag, this wouldn't work because hypoxia requires an oxygen-free (or near oxygen -free) environment. Oxygen delivery works via mask because the principle involved is to deliver a specific gas which you can breathe along with other gases in air. If a person breathes inert gas via an oxygen mask (with no bag) they will still be breathing in some atmospheric oxygen.

 

[Richard Langford]

If you mean using an oxygen mask to deliver inert gas without using a bag, this wouldn't work because hypoxia requires an oxygen-free (or near oxygen -free) environment. Oxygen delivery works via mask because the principle involved is to deliver a specific gas which you can breathe along with other gases in air. If a person breathes inert gas via an oxygen mask (with no bag) they will still be breathing in some atmospheric oxygen.

Couldn't you just block up any external air holes with tape and make sure the mask is snuggly fitting?

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

If you mean using an oxygen mask to deliver inert gas without using a bag, this wouldn't work because hypoxia requires an oxygen-free (or near oxygen -free) environment. Oxygen delivery works via mask because the principle involved is to deliver a specific gas which you can breathe along with other gases in air. If a person breathes inert gas via an oxygen mask (with no bag) they will still be breathing in some atmospheric oxygen.

This is exactly why the inmates on death row struggled greatly before they died. They used a mask. People who were at the viewing say it was horrific.

 

[Richard Langford]

This is exactly why the inmates on death row struggled greatly before they died. They used a mask. People who were at the viewing say it was horrific.

Why? Was it the pressure of the gas? Im not committed to this idea. I just want to understand.

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

Why? Was it the pressure of the gas? Im not committed to this idea. I just want to understand.

Because they used a mask(no bag) on the inmates, so it took a lot longer to die. A mask isn't fitted enough and small amounts of oxygen will get in, slowing the process.

 

[*AzRaEl*]

Couldn't you just block up any external air holes with tape and make sure the mask is snuggly fitting?

The mask has to form a perfect seal, which isn't possible with those masks. Even a tiny leak can provide enough O2 to keep a person alive. Tiny gaps caused by facial hair or changes in muscle tone caused by unconsciousness can create small leaks

Because they used a mask(no bag) on the inmates, so it took a lot longer to die. A mask isn't fitted enough and small amounts of oxygen will get in, slowing the process.

This. There are also other issues with that process that resulted in the reported outcomes

 

[Richard Langford]

The mask has to form a perfect seal, which isn't possible with those masks. Even a tiny leak can provide enough O2 to keep a person alive. Tiny gaps caused by facial hair or changes in muscle tone caused by unconsciousness can create small leaks

This. There are also other issues with that process that resulted in the reported outcomes

I thought there might be. I thought others would have considered such long ago.

 

[*AzRaEl*]

If you are interested in this subject, the Exit podcast has an episode about this:

 

[Richard Langford]

If you are interested in this subject, the Exit podcast has an episode about this:

I am and I'm not. I'm much more interested in painless pills or injections. My dream scenario is going to sleep in my own house and bed after suchlike to drift off. Gasses is down a list. Unless I could release one into a closed room before sleeping and it would do the job.

 

[*AzRaEl*]

I am and I'm not. I'm much more interested in painless pills or injections. My dream scenario is going to sleep in my own house and bed after suchlike to drift off. Gasses is down a list. Unless I could release one into a closed room before sleeping and it would do the job.

Unfortunately the gold-standard substance that you're referring to (barbiturates) is now extremely difficult to source. SN is probably the closest substitute but is also no longer easy to obtain

 

[Richard Langford]

I was also referring to modern things like Fentanyl and apparently there are now things 100 x more powerful sold in the UK. Its just a question of finding them.

 

[*AzRaEl*]

I was also referring to modern things like Fentanyl and apparently there are now things 100 x more powerful sold in the UK. Its just a question of finding them.

Yes, carfentanyl is a thing but any street drugs you can buy will be heavily cut and there's no way to assess the required dose. Oral ingestion is unpredictable

 

[mando]

The mask has to form a perfect seal, which isn't possible with those masks. Even a tiny leak can provide enough O2 to keep a person alive. Tiny gaps caused by facial hair or changes in muscle tone caused by unconsciousness can create small leaks

I can understand op's question, with enough pressure from the gas, oxygen can't enter.
I used positive pressure masks and these are by no means sealed, the filtered air being pushed in easily stops outside air ( in this case containing unhealthy particles).
In the case of a Powered Air-Purifying Respirator (PAPR) air is propelled trough a fan.
I presume if the gas is exiting the cylinder and into a mask with enough pressure, oxygen should not get into the mask.

 

[Richard Langford]

Yes, carfentanyl is a thing but any street drugs you can buy will be heavily cut and there's no way to assess the required dose. Oral ingestion is unpredictable

Well I wouldn't have to be super accurate would I? Say if I took 3 or 4 x the usual dose that 'should' be enough you'd think, especially as I have zero tolerance? I mean addicts OD all the time.

I can understand op's question, with enough pressure from the gas, oxygen can't enter.
I used positive pressure masks and these are by no means sealed, the filtered air being pushed in easily stops outside air ( in this case containing unhealthy particles).
In the case of a Powered Air-Purifying Respirator (PAPR) air is propelled trough a fan.
I presume if the gas is exiting the cylinder and into a mask with enough pressure, oxygen should not get into the mask.

I see where you're coming from re that but it does look complicated. I was just 'hoping' I could use a standard Hospital mask with a bag on a very low pressure (to not cause lung damage) and it would be an easy way to go (with a good sized tank). That said I'd much prefer pills (or injection if I had to).

 

[*AzRaEl*]

Well I wouldn't have to be super accurate would I? Say if I took 3 or 4 x the usual dose that 'should' be enough you'd think, especially as I have zero tolerance? I mean addicts OD all the time.

I see where you're coming from re that but it does look complicated. I was just 'hoping' I could use a standard Hospital mask with a bag on a very low pressure (to not cause lung damage) and it would be an easy way to go (with a good sized tank). That said I'd much prefer pills (or injection if I had to).

If an exit bag is used, i think it's immaterial if the delivery of inert gas comes from a tube or a mask. 15Lpm is the flow rate advised by PPH, which is low pressure. If applied correctly, this is reportedly a very peaceful way to catch the bus

 

[Richard Langford]

If an exit bag is used, i think it's immaterial if the delivery of inert gas comes from a tube or a mask. 15Lpm is the flow rate advised by PPH, which is low pressure. If applied correctly, this is reportedly a very peaceful way to catch the bus

I know its silly in the circumstances but I'm very, very claustrophobic. I might look at a cylinder in a room first (albeit it wouod have to be big) or car.

 

[*AzRaEl*]

I know its silly in the circumstances but I'm very, very claustrophobic. I might look at a cylinder in a room first (albeit it wouod have to be big) or car.

Neither a room or a car will work. Remember, for this method to succeed, it is necessary to create an oxygen -free environment which is a practical impossibility in those places. Inert gases will not cause you any harm by themselves (you're breathing them in air right now)

 

[Richard Langford]

But won't enough off it do the job? Would I need huge amounts? Sorrybfor the silly question. I'm assuming I would.

 

[SVEN]

But won't enough off it do the job? Would I need huge amounts?

You would require almost industrial quantities to completely fill the interior of an average size private vehicle, which would itself need to be fully sealed against atmospheric intrusion.
Remember, as these are inert rather than poisonous gases you must replace the entire atmosphere within the vehicle.

 

[Richard Langford]

I thought as much

Neither a room or a car will work. Remember, for this method to succeed, it is necessary to create an oxygen -free environment which is a practical impossibility in those places. Inert gases will not cause you any harm by themselves (you're breathing them in air right now)

How about Hydrogen Sulphide instead? That's pretty deadly. Tanks of those are readily available. You don't have to replace the o2 just breathe in the Hydrogen Sulphide.

 

[parasite_eve]

I can understand op's question, with enough pressure from the gas, oxygen can't enter.
I used positive pressure masks and these are by no means sealed, the filtered air being pushed in easily stops outside air ( in this case containing unhealthy particles).
In the case of a Powered Air-Purifying Respirator (PAPR) air is propelled trough a fan.
I presume if the gas is exiting the cylinder and into a mask with enough pressure, oxygen should not get into the mask.

This was my understanding from GasMonkey and others using SCBA with positive pressure vs say an o2 mask or rebreather or SCUBA... but now thinking maybe eebd hood would be better option if goal is more pleasant apparatus vs bag

Could you say more about your use of PP SCBA and why the mask might be viable or riskier?

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

This is exactly why the inmates on death row struggled greatly before they died. They used a mask. People who were at the viewing say it was horrific.

InmateS? AFAIK there was only one (Kenneth Eugene Smith). He held his breath for as long as he could which caused convulsions. This is described in PPeH 2024. (But yes, experts advised against using a mask.)

 

[Forveleth]

Well I wouldn't have to be super accurate would I? Say if I took 3 or 4 x the usual dose that 'should' be enough you'd think, especially as I have zero tolerance? I mean addicts OD all the time.

Wanted to address this. As a rule of thumb, it is never a good idea to rely on street drugs for anything definitive like suicide (unless you REALLY know your dealer). You have absolutely no idea what the pills/powder actually contain. You could be getting a completely different drug than intended. The worst case scenario is you do not die but you now have a brand new drug addiction.

If you are dead-set on this route, they do make test kits for street drugs and I would highly recommend using one.

 

[Richard Langford]

Wanted to address this. As a rule of thumb, it is never a good idea to rely on street drugs for anything definitive like suicide (unless you REALLY know your dealer). You have absolutely no idea what the pills/powder actually contain. You could be getting a completely different drug than intended. The worst case scenario is you do not die but you now have a brand new drug addiction.

If you are dead-set on this route, they do make test kits for street drugs and I would highly recommend using one.

I complete appreciate your point. As I'm also 60, don't have a dealer to trust or otherwise and have no experience with the genre its a quandry for me. I was 'hoping' to be pointed in the right direction for an online (uk) source that I could pay via crypto or suclike as seemingly lots of people buy online now. Seemingly.

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

InmateS? AFAIK there was only one (Kenneth Eugene Smith). He held his breath for as long as he could which caused convulsions. This is described in PPeH 2024. (But yes, experts advised against using a mask.)

Three so far in Alabama.

 

[Richard Langford]

I've been reading that plenty of people have died just sitting in their car by opening a large Nitrogen cylinder. Quite a few reported cases. Id rather be at home but cars are easier to seal I guess.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Three so far in Alabama.

Do you have a source with more information? Did they all have convulsions?

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

Do you have a source with more information? Did they all have convulsions?

Here is one.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/22/nx-s1-5201699/alabama-nitrogen-gas-execution

 

[parasite_eve]

Here is one.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/22/nx-s1-5201699/alabama-nitrogen-gas-execution

So I've listened to the exit international podcast and takeaways for me:
1. Kenny "if he had cooperated - could have had a peaceful and reliable death", meaning following a few instuctions Dr. N wishes he'd given Kenny, summarized as: dont hold breath, fully exhaled once n2 is on, and ensure the next couple breaths are deepest possible to fall unconscious normally & die within 5 minutes.
2. Dr. N said it might have looked scary but the "writhing" or any struggling they watched as he fell unconscious and died were likely typical death spasms.
3. Kenny still died while unconscious he just took longer to fall asleep first because he held his breath.
4. Dr. tried on the mask and felt it was a secure seal, but could possibly become dislodged.
5. Kenny had a beard and didn't cooperate in the process, spasmsed/ appeared to struggle to some onlookers, yet seal maintained for death while unconscious.

So, seems like one can mitigate risks with SCBA like possibly appears GasMonkey, rigbone, joeschmo (others?) chose if done diligently, i.e.:
1. Proper mask fit and donning (following manufacturer guide)
2. This includes shaving face and dealing with hair if longer.
3. Use positive pressure because designed to keep out outside atmosphere (any o2) and protect firefighters even in heavy exhertion or when falling unconscious from any external atmos entering (as long as you have gas).
4. Apply the rest of the inert gas best practices like proper parts & fitting, strapping in, strapping tank, practicing.
5. Practice, practice, practice - donning mask, breathing, the whole thing with a scba o2 tank safely.

Mega credit to:

Thread 'GasMonkey Setup [Nitrogen SCBA]' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/gasmonkey-setup-nitrogen-scba.115434/

Thread 'Inert gas setups gallery. Show your setup' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-setups-gallery-show-your-setup.115461/

Thread 'Exit bag and inert gas megathread' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-megathread.8393/

Thread 'Inert Gas Cylinder & Regulator, General Refresher Summary:' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/inert-gas-cylinder-regulator-general-refresher-summary.30657/