Many cases of brain damage caused by failed attempts with SN?

[Rose57]

Is SN a risky method in terms of brain damage if it fails? Are there any cases reported of people being brain damaged after surviving SN?

 

[Meditation guide]

If there are I've not heard of them. One person here who survived it mentioned some heart damage.

 

[Nexuno]

Is SN a risky method in terms of brain damage if it fails?

I don't know of reported cases but death by SN is caused by hemolytic anemia or anemic hypoxia, so yes if it fails it could result in serious brain damages.

 

[Sakura94]

I don't think there has been any reports on this forum. There is less chance of brain damage than any other method though. There is no easy solution out of this.

 

[Nexuno]

There is less chance of brain damage than any other method though.

This is not true. The risks are the same of hypoxia. The fact is that with 25gr of SN it's very difficult to fail (that's way there's a lack of information), but you really don't want to be found and "saved".

 

[Nymph]

I haven't read any where survivors had brain damage, it will obviously damage your other organs but brain is the last one to be damaged

 

[voyager]

No, it's considered unlikely, because other organs are bound to fail first before the brain dies off. Members have argued about this before but it seems more of a theoretical possiblity, i.e. there may be a tiny window shortly before death when the process can still be reversed and this could leave one brain damaged but there's no actual reports of it having happened. Bascially, as with all methods, one should insure not getting caught even if it's just minutes away from death.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/why-does-sn-not-cause-brain-damage.30339/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-and-brain-damage.46283/

 

[Wakawaka]

This is not true. The risks are the same of hypoxia. The fact is that with 25gr of SN it's very difficult to fail (that's way there's a lack of information), but you really don't want to be found and "saved".

the people who were found had no reported problems, and were released from the hospital in 1-3 days, the only user who reported problems was a guy who said the nurses rushed to save him gave him an overdose of the blue medicine which damaged his heart

No, it's considered unlikely, because other organs are bound to fail first before the brain dies off. Members have argued about this before but it seems more of a theoretical possiblity, i.e. there may be a tiny window shortly before death when the process can still be reversed and this could leave one brain damaged but there's no actual reports of it having happened. Bascially, as with all methods, one should insure not getting caught even if it's just minutes away from death.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/why-does-sn-not-cause-brain-damage.30339/

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-and-brain-damage.46283/

from the reports that i've seen while you can be saved by the hospital once it reaches a certain level its basically over, not in a "vegetable" way but they cant do anything to save you

as for why theres usually no brain damage i like to compare it to your body not absorbing nutrients, if you stopped eating all together you would just pass away, but if you ate, and you're body just didnt get all of the nutrients, then you would stiill function, but slowly fade away, i see it that way where you're bodys just getting less oxygen so the organs dont immediately die. they're only really gone which you reach a point the doctors cant stop the sn

 

[Nexuno]

the people who were found had no reported problems, and were released from the hospital in 1-3 days, the only user who reported problems was a guy who said the nurses rushed to save him gave him an overdose of the blue medicine which damaged his heart

It all depends on when they have been found, the amount of SN ingested and how lucky they have been. Accidental ingestion of nitrates by eating contaminated food it's very common, for example, and 1-3 days is the normal recovery time for a moderate dose (the "blue medicine" is the antidote). Some people which ingested accidentally massive doses weren't so lucky, even if they were rescued quickly.

BTW we are not talking about "SN effects", we are talking about specific medical conditions: hemolytic anemia or anemic hypoxia and how these impact your brain. The suggested dose of 20/25mggr is enough to lose consciousness in about 5 minutes, which means that the brain is affected pretty soon.

What you say makes sense. Just in this website i've seen many many cases of SN and of survivors . not a single case of brain damage

A case of a child in vegetative state is reported in the link you have quoted.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

It all depends on when they have been found, the amount of SN ingested and how lucky they have been. Accidental ingestion of nitrates by eating contaminated food it's very common, for example, and 1-3 days is the normal recovery time for a moderate dose (the "blue medicine" is the antidote). Some people which ingested accidentally massive doses weren't so lucky, even if they were rescued quickly.

BTW we are not talking about "SN effects", we are talking about specific medical conditions: hemolytic anemia or anemic hypoxia and how these impact your brain. The suggested dose of 20/25mg is enough to lose consciousness in about 5 minutes, which means that the brain is affected pretty soon.

A case of a child in vegetative state is reported in the link you have quoted.

Whatever all the research i've seen says not one case i've seen hundreds of people here i knew and talked to . I don't believe any article , there is a lot of pro-life propaganda. All you have is one supposed case from China where that kid is suposedely on a respirator brain dead not brain damaged. and SS members debunked that . i don't buy anything much less a single article. i won't let you put fear into me . i have full confidence of what to do. There is no case of brain damage as in a person is mentally retarded but able to move around.

 

[Wakawaka]

It all depends on when they have been found, the amount of SN ingested and how lucky they have been. Accidental ingestion of nitrates by eating contaminated food it's very common, for example, and 1-3 days is the normal recovery time for a moderate dose (the "blue medicine" is the antidote). Some people which ingested accidentally massive doses weren't so lucky, even if they were rescued quickly.

BTW we are not talking about "SN effects", we are talking about specific medical conditions: hemolytic anemia or anemic hypoxia and how these impact your brain. The suggested dose of 20/25mg is enough to lose consciousness in about 5 minutes, which means that the brain is affected pretty soon.

i mean, i've seen some people ingest 30+mg get released in a few days, what state were these unlucky people you're talking about in?

yes, i was saying that a difference in this and say hanging is that hanging completely cuts off your oxygen, hypoxia (induced by sn) is the oxygen levels in your body being reduced which your body can and actively purges, death doesnt actually happen until like a hour later, just because you pass out doesnt mean there is no oxygen in your body (infact you're likely still breathing). which from the reports i've seen, makes it easier to reverse with the window for being saved maybe 20-30 minutes after passing out

 

[Nexuno]

i mean, i've seen some people ingest 30+mg get released in a few days, what state were these unlucky people you're talking about in?

The kid in China. And there was a case of a girl which accidentally ingested nitrites in Italy a year ago (if I recall correctly), which died.

yes, i was saying that a difference in this and say hanging is that hanging completely cuts off your oxygen, hypoxia (induced by sn) is the oxygen levels in your body being reduced which your body can and actively purges, death doesnt actually happen until like a hour later

Yes, this is true. Yet the risk of possible brain damages is still there. I want to be clear: I don't want to scary anyone but I think the preparation of this method must be really accurate. Personally what I fear the most is the idea to be found and any possible attempt to save me.

 

[Buffy5120]

The kid in China. And there was a case of a girl which accidentally ingested nitrites in Italy a year ago (if I recall correctly), which died.



Yes, this is true. Yet the risk of possible brain damages is still there. I want to be clear: I don't want to scary anyone but I think the preparation of this method must be really accurate. Personally what I fear the most is the idea to be found and any possible attempt to save me.

Then make sure your not found simple motels/hotels should do the trick

 

[Wakawaka]

The kid in China. And there was a case of a girl which accidentally ingested nitrites in Italy a year ago (if I recall correctly), which died.

wait, are you saying they were saved and lived with permanent brain damage, or saying they were found and still died?

Yes, this is true. Yet the risk of possible brain damages is still there. I want to be clear: I don't want to scary anyone but I think the preparation of this method must be really accurate. Personally what I fear the most is the idea to be found and any possible attempt to save me.

i think you're misunderstanding, im not saying there is no damage, im saying the damage (if found with the window that the people who lived are found in which many calculate at say 30 minutes) you'll generally not suffer any lasting damage that wont be fine in a few days. even people who took 30-50g. and according to the doctors who talked to the people on this forum, if they were a few minutes later there wouldve been nothing the doctors could have done. i mean you could say drinking alcohol damages your liver which is true, but we wouldnt frame it like completely destroying your liver forever. to say sn causes any brain damage worth talking about (if you survive) i think should require studies or real world accounts of people surviving and being permanently changed, but none of the reports here suffered any brain damage. otherwise you risk sharing misinformation or scaring people

 

[Nexuno]

Then make sure your not found simple motels/hotels should do the trick

Yep, but I fear the x-unlucky-factor XD

 

[Buffy5120]

Yep, but I fear the x-unlucky-factor XD

Nah thats just your anxiety kicking in...ive been here for a while so I know I was just like you wondering about the same thing...honestly it seems like as long as your not found and have a backup cup in case u throw up ur good to go... but do more research on sn.... sn wasnt my method either but unfortunately things have changed in my life so now i have to figure out what i need before i ctb too i have gi issues so you really shouldn't be the one worried to fail...its really people like me who should but im not that worried because of so many success stories even some that had similar gastrointestinal issues like me..anyways good luck

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Nah thats just your anxiety kicking in...ive been here for a while so I know I was just like you wondering about the same thing...honestly it seems like as long as your not found and have a backup cup in case u throw up ur good to go... but do more research on sn.... sn wasnt my method either but unfortunately things have changed in my life so now i have to figure out what i need before i ctb too i have gi issues so you really shouldn't be the one worried to fail...its really people like me who should but im not that worried because of so many success stories even some that had similar gastrointestinal issues like me..anyways good luck

I've been here even longer than you and i've seen the same thing over and over again for almost a year and a half. I have full confidence for me .

 

[Nexuno]

wait, are you saying they were saved and lived with permanent brain damage, or saying they were found and still died?

The kid in China was brain dead (allegedly poisoned by the teacher, but very likely was an accidental food poisoning -
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...gree-keep-fight-life-brain-dead-chinese-boy); the girl in Italy died despite being rescued and rushed to the hospital.

i think you're misunderstanding, im not saying there is no damage, im saying the damage (if found with the window that the people who lived are found in which many calculate at say 30 minutes) you'll generally not suffer any lasting damage that wont be fine in a few days. even people who took 30-50mg. and according to the doctors who talked to the people on this forum, if they were a few minutes later there wouldve been nothing the doctors could have done. i mean you could say drinking alcohol damages your liver which is true, but we wouldnt frame it like completely destroying your liver forever. to say sn causes any brain damage worth talking about (if you survive) i think should require studies or real world accounts of people surviving and being permanently changed, otherwise

Yes, I get your point. Actually if you research hemolytic anemia or anemic hypoxia you can find by yourself what the damages can be. Again: it's not about "SN" or "real world accounts" found on Google (without any in depth information concerning the health of the individual 6/12/24 months after).

you risk sharing misinformation or scaring people

Well I'm trying to do the opposite by properly informing and providing information. I already told what I consider to be "scary" for me and, since I'm replying to this thread, for you all as well. I don't think I can say something "scary", I suppose we all know that we are talking about death, after all.

 

[Wrennie]

I do remember reading somewhere that stroke was a potential risk of SN.

 

[ZardozOmega]

It's not impossible, but there are no cases of it on the medical literature.

 

[Nimbus]

The suggested dose of 20/25mg

Please note, this should be 20/25 grams, not mg. Don't want to spread misinformation.

i mean, i've seen some people ingest 30+mg get released in a few days

Do you really mean mg? Or grams?

even people who took 30-50mg.

Same question. Mg or grams?

These are significant distinctions so let's be careful about the info being shared. Thanks much.

 

[Nexuno]

Please note, this should be 20/25 grams, not mg. Don't want to spread misinformation.

You're right, my bad.

 

[Wakawaka]

Please note, this should be 20/25 grams, not mg. Don't want to spread misinformation.


Do you really mean mg? Or grams?

Same question. Mg or grams?

These are significant distinctions so let's be careful about the info being shared. Thanks much.

i am so illiterate when it comes to measurements lol, whatever measurement you're talking about (25 whatevr) people have taken 30+. if its 25 grams then i meant to say people took 30 grams, and i've seen some take 40-50 grams

thinking about grams, kg, body weights, mls etc i genuinely get mixed up

 

[Nimbus]

i am so illiterate when it comes to measurements lol, whatever measurement you're talking about (25 whatevr) people have taken 30+. if its 25 grams then i meant to say people took 30 grams, and i've seen some take 40-50 grams

thinking about grams, kg, body weights, mls etc i genuinely get mixed up

Yes, I believe you mean grams, not milligrams (mg). Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Aap]

Your post is mostly nonsense. The brain is far more susceptible to damage from hypoxia than other organ systems. In other words, your brain will be damaged/die before other organ systems.

ANY method that causes death carries some risk of brain damage. SN should not be viewed as safer than other methods. It can't simultaneously be a deadly poison and risk free.

 

[Wakawaka]

Your post is mostly nonsense. The brain is far more susceptible to damage from hypoxia than other organ systems. In other words, your brain will be damaged/die before other organ systems.

ANY method that causes death carries some risk of brain damage. SN should not be viewed as safer than other methods. It can't simultaneously be a deadly poison and risk free.

the problem with this is we have real people who have taken sn to ctb, survived, and had no permanent damage/was released in a day or so, saying stuff like this is why so many people keep asking if they fail sn will they become disabled or something

 

[Aap]

I'd fucking hope people go into any ctb knowing the risks. It would be irresponsible to Knowingly lie about them.

you are out of your mind if you think 25 or 50 people surviving a genuine SN attempt is an adequate sample size. I'll say again, there are risks of brain damage with any method. SN is not safer. The vast majority of the survivors of any OD do not have brain damage. This does not mean it isn't a risk.

Last time, SN cannot both be a deadly poison and free from any risks.

 

[Wakawaka]

I'd fucking hope people go into any ctb knowing the risks. It would be irresponsible to Knowingly lie about them.

you are out of your mind if you think 25 or 50 people surviving a genuine SN attempt is an adequate sample size. I'll say again, there are risks of brain damage with any method. SN is not safer. The vast majority of the survivors of any OD do not have brain damage. This does not mean it isn't a risk.

Last time, SN cannot both be a deadly poison and free from any risks.

doing anything has a risk to it, the point of people asking these questions is they want to know if they fail a sn attempt will they lose their memory, lose functions in their hands, have worse mental issues due to the drugs. similar to what happens to people who hang themselves. or when people take rat poison and it completely destroys their liver

when people say "sn doesnt cause brain damage" they are saying you'll have a headache for a day or so then walk it off. when people say "sn doesnt cause liver damage" ofcourse it does, its a toxic substance, what they're saying is your liver wont need to be replaced, you'll be fine in a day or so

if you think our sample size is to small then please feel free to link any cases you want to show what a failed sn attempt. it genuinely feels like you're just trying to argue, when in one line you say "it would be ireespomsible to lie to them" and then say "vast majority of survivors of od dont have brain damage". so you admit most people who od on drugs dont suffer brain damage, but say im out of my mind for saying you'll likely be fine if the sn attempt failed?

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Hey all, and especially OP, please do a site search of SN and brain damage. I recently posted in one such thread that nitrite protects the brain, which is why people recover without brain damage. I attached links. You can search with my username. If I recall correctly, rats were discussed in that thread and that's what pissed me off and got me to searching for reliable information, so maybe use rats as the search term with me as the user. I'm on a tablet and have a spotty wifi connection, so it's more effort to do all the searching and linking than I have the energy or motivation for, but I've given you enough information you should be able to find it pretty easily. And honestly, I read just a handful of the comments and I get drained by speculation, after a certain amount of time it just gets old. I care enough to say something about it and say where to find the info if one is motivated to put in the effort if they really want to know. I do wish y'all the best, I'm just in a bit of cranky old lady mode tonight, I genuinely don't mean to shame anyone, and I do care that y'all get (and give) accurate and helpful information to make the most reasonably informed decisions one can, as any suicide attempt is a big risk.

 

[Wakawaka]

Hey all, and especially OP, please do a site search of SN and brain damage. I recently posted in one such thread that nitrite protects the brain, which is why people recover without brain damage. I attached links. You can search with my username. If I recall correctly, rats were discussed in that thread and that's what pissed me off and got me to searching for reliable information, so maybe use rats as the search term with me as the user. I'm on a tablet and have a spotty wifi connection, so it's more effort to do all the searching and linking than I have the energy or motivation for, but I've given you enough information you should be able to find it pretty easily. And honestly, I read just a handful of the comments and I get drained by speculation, after a certain amount of time it just gets old. I care enough to say something about it and say where to find the info if one is motivated to put in the effort if they really want to know. I do wish y'all the best, I'm just in a bit of cranky old lady mode tonight, I genuinely don't mean to shame anyone, and I do care that y'all get (and give) accurate and helpful information to make the most reasonably informed decisions one can, as any suicide attempt is a big risk.

these should the links

Effect of nitrite on the electroencephalographic activity in the healthy brain

Nitrite is a major intravascular store for nitric oxide. The conversion of nitrite to the active nitric oxide occurs mainly under hypoxic conditions t…

www.sciencedirect.com

Severe Methemoglobinemia due to Sodium Nitrite Poisoning

<i>Case</i>. We report a case of severe methemoglobinemia due to sodium nitrite poisoning. A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department because of transient loss of consciousness and cyanosis. He was immediately intubated and ventilated with 100% oxygen. A blood test revealed a...

www.hindawi.com

my comments in this thread were not to say that i know more than other members, but that based on the information and testimonials we have, sn will not cause any major or permenate brain damage, if you disagree with that then i would love to see your sources so we can have more knowledge about sn overdose but alot of people say this merely because they feel like it does, and then provide nothing to support it