Luigi Controversy

[DarkRange55]

Thought I'd add some controversy to give people something to talk about. I feel like these threads get repetitive and stale. Time to piss people off and play devil's advocate!

Pease read the attached post before commenting.



On Linkden C-suite execs are crucifying the shooter, while Reddit they are practically celebrating him.

 

[avoid]

Good behavior doesn't excuse bad behavior. This applies to Luigi, Brian and everyone else.

When is it righteous to murder someone? I'm sure that any soldier of the Allied Powers during World War II would justify killing Hitler on the spot if they were given the chance. And no sane person would kill an innocent person who dedicates his/her time to help the people in need. So where do you draw the line? Everyone has their own opinion on where they draw the line between right and wrong – most use the law as a guideline (pun intented).

Spoiler: edit

I know too little about the reasons Luigi killed Brian (and related events) to make up my mind on whether I would justify Luigi's actions. If UnitedHealthcare systematically refused to authorize health care procedures and treatments, whether it be with the use of legal loopholes or illegally denying health care to which someone is entitled, causing numerous insured people to needlessly die, then I would think it justified to put a stop to these practices somehow. But is killing the CEO of UnitedHealthcare to accomplish this? I don't think so. Whoever murdered Brian (allegedly Luigi) wanted revenge, nothing else. And to what degree is Brian personally responsible for allegedly systematically refusing health care authorizations?

If I were given the opportunity to kill Brian without consequences then I don't think I would do it.

I can imagine why someone would if they are confident (with solid evidence) that Brian fucked over that person and many others and will continue to fuck people over with deadly results without any government agency (e.g. police) stepping in to stop it. But I don't think that Brian's killer cared about such evidence of malicious practices.

 

[avalokitesvara]

This is the most American thing I've ever seen. Glorify the individual. The greatest thing they can think of is someone winning the climb to the top, who gives a fuck what the cost of that is. The second greatest thing they can think of is a handsome vigilante doling out extrajudicial justice. It's a fucking comic book country. And this is a comic book story. Whose side are you on? Which one's the goodie and which one's the baddie? Ridiculous.

No one person should be able to hoard wealth at the cost of others' health. No one company should make that much money. No one person should take it on themselves to right wrongs with murder. Individualism is an absolute disease and Americans can't even comprehend that there are alternatives to it. It's the water they swim in.

 

[avalon_]

The second greatest thing they can think of is a handsome vigilante doling out extrajudicial justice. It's a fucking comic book country.

It is ridiculous, thanks for pointing that out. And all this happens right after they elect a reality TV star, who wants Americans to have even less healthcare, as their next president. A country that's truly beyond parody at this point.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Okay but all that kind of makes me feel further disdain towards the victim because, well:


I'm just an evil, bitter monster. Seeing that this guy had everything going for him does not make me like him more. It just increases my spite. Yeah I'm sure he still worked hard in some ways but I'm sure I'd work hard too if I had great parents and great opportunities and just great rewarding experiences in general.

 

[SVEN]

A murderer who shoots a man in the back and a corporate boss being paid millions to implement AI algorhythmns which denied healthcare to trusting healthcare policy holders.
And I'm supposed to regard either one as a "Hero" and feel sympathy ?
Life truly is a sick joke.

 

[AlTheObviousAlien]

Okay but if we strapped him in an army jacket all of a sudden he'd have y'all's respect. Y'all only justify the murder of people from countries you can't spell.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I don't know enough about this case to properly comment. I'm going on the gist of what people are saying here. So- ignoring what happened to him, I'd like to pose the following question: Regardless of the clean cut, all American dream biography, did Brian Thompson break the law? I'm guessing not but, from what people are saying here, it seems like he screwed a lot of people over. So- isn't that what the focus should be on? Why do we have laws that allow people like that to exploit people so brutally? This kind of thing possibly will happen when they do. Not to say it's right of course. But, it's the law that should prevent people from utterly exploiting and screwing vulnerable people into the ground. It shouldn't be down to vigilantes. Wouldn't the proper place for these CEO's be jail rather than a grave? (Again, I'm assuming that he did behave unreasonably to effectively defraud others but likely, just about legally.)

From what others have said, this CEO, like others- Dennis Muilenburg- former CEO of Boeing during the Max disasters most likely put profit over people's safety and lives. They knowingly let people suffer and die prematurely so that they and their shareholders can get rich.

No- we shouldn't be celebrating murder... Of any sort. Delaying medical procedures to maximise profits, allowing unsafe planes to fly is gross negligence at the minimum- surely? I'd argue that it's bordering murder also. Murder is bad- definitely. So are sociopaths that couldn't give a shit about other people's suffering so long as they profit from it. I don't think either should be celebrated.

I suppose I share a hatred towards these sorts of CEO's who I can only conclude are sociopathic if they are comfortable earning their money the way they do. (Knowing that their companies effectively kill people or, let them die.)

Not to say I have homicidal feelings towards them myself but I hate the world we live in that actively rewards them. After knowingly allowing 346 people die in the Boeing Max crashes, Dennis Muilenburg walked away with a $62 reward. WTF kind of world rewards people like that?!!

No- they don't deserve to be shot but- they shouldn't be able to behave the way they do in the first place to make people want to shoot them! Our regulating bodies should do their job to make sure that the more sociopathic members of our race aren't making profits by putting other people's lives at risk.

 

[derpyderpins]

Closest thing to literal devil's advocate possible.

I said in another thread I don't think the specifics of who both people are matter at all. It is a type of class war. You can talk him up as much as you want and it doesn't change the underlying: he made more money per year than someone needs in several lifetimes to live a somewhat luxurious lifestyle, and he made it helping a system people see as unjust. That's all that matters. It is a type of envy, and that also doesn't matter. The ethics don't matter. "LinkedIn c suite execs" sound like a gross class of people. It reenforces what's at play here. They can't spin and spin and spin to get people who are trapped in a cruel system as essentially cattle to stop resenting the financially free. Actually, the more preaching that happens, the more that resentment will grow.

You're in this class of rich people, right? Maybe devil's advocate isn't the right phrase when you're somewhat self advocating. (Forgive me if I'm remembering incorrectly).

If you live in a mansion with servants and abundance and your wealth keeps growing and growing, it doesn't matter when you pass a starving man on the street that you got it all fairly, and that he is starving fairly, eventually he'll just kill you and take your stuff and people will say "good riddance." That metaphor may not seem apt, because Luigi wasn't starving, but that's why I said the specifics don't matter. The "starving" is not only in terms of food, but the mental health crisis ravaging our modern society. People may have food on the table, but that's not enough, what's being flaunted is that financial freedom in the face of people who feel like they're in a cage. Trying to tell them they're in the wrong for feeling how they do and finding satisfaction in this man's death is only driving the wedge further, but I'm not surprised that the "haves" are digging in their heels rather than understanding the have nots.

 

[NumbItAll]

A murderer who shoots a man in the back and a coroprate boss being paid millions to implement AI algorhythmns which denied healthcare to trusting healthcare policy holders.
And I'm supposed to regard either one as a "Hero" and feel sympathy ?
Life truly is a sick joke.

Lmao seriously. What are we even doing here.