'Love Island' Host Caroline Flack Dies by Suicide at 40 Before Trial

[Xena87]

Never liked Jeremy Kyle show

It was terrible wasn't it?! Lots of shouting and screaming. God knows why anyone would put themselves on that show

You know what I find interesting is this new narrative that some people here seem to push or repeat, that suicides are the result of the mental health services 'failing' people. But aren't most people here against sectioning? I thought this site was pro choice...

This is peoples lived experience which is why we repeat it. The whole damn country is talking about how trash our mental health services are, where TF have you been? The failure of the system is exactly why this website exists!
Idk WTF you're talking about, I wasn't aware everyone here was against sectioning, this is news to me. You're either a troll or you live on a different planet

 

[a.n.kirillov]

It was terrible wasn't it?! Lots of shouting and screaming. God knows why anyone would put themselves on that show


This is peoples lived experience which is why we repeat it. The whole damn country is talking about how trash our mental health services are, where TF have you been? The failure of the system is exactly why this website exists!
Idk WTF you're talking about, I wasn't aware everyone here was against sectioning, this is news to me. You're either a troll or you live on a different planet

I agree the mental health systems are trash. I have been where I always was (still live in the same place I was born, so...not the UK though). As far as I can judge most people here are against being involuntarily sectioned and subjected to psychiatric treatment... But hey maybe my judgement is off?
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Also I would agree that, broadly speaking, it is a failure of the 'system'; it's just that I don't think this failure consists in a lack of treating people who are suffering like sick people or criminals.

 

[No capacity]

How can celebrities hang themself with such ease? What do they know, that we dont

I only wish I knew how to do this.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Sorry this first part was something I typed up earlier and d cided not to send, that's why I edited it.

 

[Xena87]

I agree the mental health systems are trash. I have been where I always was (still live in the same place I was born, so...not the UK though). As far as I can judge most people here are against being involuntarily sectioned and subjected to psychiatric treatment... But hey maybe my judgement is off?
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Also I would agree that, broadly speaking, it is a failure of the 'system'; it's just that I don't think this failure consists in a lack of treating people who are suffering like sick people or criminals.

Perhaps things are different where you live but here in the UK it's dreadful. You only get helped when you're practically dead or sooo far gone into mental illness that you rarely recover. I absolutely disagree with this which is where my passion towards this comes from, I apologise for jumping down your throat, I didn't mean to

 

[a.n.kirillov]

Perhaps things are different where you live but here in the UK it's dreadful. You only get helped when you're practically dead or sooo far gone into mental illness that you rarely recover. I absolutely disagree with this which is where my passion towards this comes from, I apologise for jumping down your throat, I didn't mean to

Sure no problem it's a topic that's very close to home for most of us here. I'm in Germany where therapists have long waiting lists (three months to a year) and specialists are often rare. That said, if you get into therapy, it's free and can be pretty extensive (I think up to 25 sessions of an hour each? Someone might have to correct me on this one). Our health system hasn't been privatized and rationalized to the extend the NHS has so in a way we're still 'lucky'.

Psychiatry and Psychology are a political topic for me and I have a very critical stance towards the institutions as a whole but we can disagree on this point (sectioning for example). I can also see where you're coming from, ascribing responsibility for the safety of suicidal people to these institutions and saying they failed them.

 

[Epsilon0]

Sure no problem it's a topic that's very close to home for most of us here. I'm in Germany where therapists have long wa

That explains why good ol' Arturito is grilling a bratwurst in your avatar.

 

[a.n.kirillov]

can't remember the context of the picture it was from an article. Schopenhauer was an animal rights activist though so pretty inaccurate depiction

 

[Epsilon0]

can't remember the context of the picture it was from an article. Schopenhauer was an animal rights activist though so pretty inaccurate depiction

I have to admit I am curious about the article which goes with that photo. I bet it's something along these lines "The world as a sausage in a bun."

 

[Dawgmom]

You know what I find interesting is this new narrative that some people here seem to push or repeat, that suicides are the result of the mental health services 'failing' people. But aren't most people here against sectioning? I thought this site was pro choice...

I think it's fair to assume that most of us have tried to get help from mental health and other professionals before arriving here. Some have tried self-help methods. My guess is that these things failed for whatever reason and / or that some of us simply can't be helped.

Therefore, it becomes a persons choice at some point. Seeking help doesn't mean they can no longer choose or that they must "succeed" at therapy or otherwise forfeit their choice.

I'd also be willing to bet that suicide isn't the first choice solution for most of us.

 

[MrOptions]

Another soul leaves this shitty cold physical existence and enters the blissful afterlife.

 

[No capacity]

RIP
If hanging yourself was so easy I would have been gone by now, wish I knew how.

Totally agree, What am I missing that makes this so difficult to achieve yet so easy and successful for others. Wish I could pay someone to tie the damn thing right!

 

[a.n.kirillov]

I think it's fair to assume that most of us have tried to get help from mental health and other professionals before arriving here. Some have tried self-help methods. My guess is that these things failed for whatever reason and / or that some of us simply can't be helped.

Therefore, it becomes a persons choice at some point. Seeking help doesn't mean they can no longer choose or that they must "succeed" at therapy or otherwise forfeit their choice.

I'd also be willing to bet that suicide isn't the first choice solution for most of us.

I think a voluntarily undertaken treatment failing (to bring relief) and an institution failing me (failing to keep me alive whether I want to stay alive or not) aren't the same thing.

I think the mental health system neither has the right nor the responsibility to assume ultimate authority over my well being. I think were we to grant them this right/ responsibility, they could behave in exactly the ways they do now, i.e. section people and treat them like criminals if they display suicidal intent, lock them away, sedate them, and so on, 'for their own safety'.

I never said suicide should be or was the first choice for anyone and I'm not necessarily against seeking 'professional help' in the form of psychology; anyone can undergo the treatments he personally believes in (unless of course youre forced to do so, which is what I was talking about).
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Making psychiatry accountable for suicides is directly working against the cause of pro choice/ the right to die movement.

 

[WEASEL1234]

You know what I find interesting is this new narrative that some people here seem to push or repeat, that suicides are the result of the mental health services 'failing' people. But aren't most people here against sectioning? I thought this site was pro choice...

Mental health teams are meant to provide some sort of "support" not just sectioning. In my experience I have not been deemed ONCE eligible for a section even though I AM a danger to myself. There should be someone that is trained to counsel and or chat with people that need help. There is no in between...it's either you are mentally "well" OR suicidal. I can ONLY speak from experience but if I had had some form of professional help in the above regard I wouldn't have been back in hospital again this weekend.

 

[A12803]

i have JUST been discharged from hospital after last night overdose again. Mental health discharged me saying " you're not at immediate risk of suicide"?!?? I despair

I had the same experience , I had to self admit myself .
Disgusting !

 

[WEASEL1234]

I had the same experience , I had to self admit myself .
Disgusting !

So sorry that you've experienced similar. It is utterly dreadful

 

[A12803]

I had the same experience , I had to self admit myself .
Disgusting !

Good luck my friend
Here if you need someone
I mean that

 

[bpdandme]

Looking at this, you could say She was facing serious assault charges against her BF..to beat a someone in the head with a lamp while they're sleeping is quite extreme. She clearly had serious underlying problems which were exaggerated by her situation. She also seemed to be very dependent on men for her self esteem and happiness. When she lost love island and interaction with her man, then add on her impending court case, she clearly felt she had lost everything and wouldn't recover so chose to leave instead.

Personally, I think the government were behind this! Our society is run by very powerful VERY EVIL people and the public is ignorant to its existence, hiding in plain site so to speak. We're monitored and spyed on and certain people are chosen to be destroyed, she was definitely one of them...she was a sacrifice!

Interestingly, I read the night prior to her suicide, an ambulance and mental health staff were sent to her apartment because family were worried for her welfare but she was deemed stable and well. Goes to show what I have always said about mental health services in the UK, they are atrocious.

I think something else is going on too, but as she did not have her trial it is not known if she is guilty or not! The whole thing is quite sketchy.

 

[Dawgmom]

I think a voluntarily undertaken treatment failing (to bring relief) and an institution failing me (failing to keep me alive whether I want to stay alive or not) aren't the same thing.

I think the mental health system neither has the right nor the responsibility to assume ultimate authority over my well being. I think were we to grant them this right/ responsibility, they could behave in exactly the ways they do now, i.e. section people and treat them like criminals if they display suicidal intent, lock them away, sedate them, and so on, 'for their own safety'.

I never said suicide should be or was the first choice for anyone and I'm not necessarily against seeking 'professional help' in the form of psychology; anyone can undergo the treatments he personally believes in (unless of course youre forced to do so, which is what I was talking about).
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Making psychiatry accountable for suicides is directly working against the cause of pro choice/ the right to die movement.

I realize you didn't say suicide should be / was the first choice but didn't you say "people here seem to push or repeat, that suicides are the result of the mental health services 'failing' people"? If so, I was replying to that when I said some people seek out help and it fails them, as it does when it's forced on them. Whatever the case, when "help" fails, people often lose hope and choose to end their life.

But, I do understand that having help forced on someone is a different issue. I agree that it shouldn't be but getting the masses to agree will take time. It's another human right that needs to be respected and allowed. Some countries do allow euthanasia for mental health reasons and I expect others will follow in time. Until everyone understands to be mentally ill isn't to be crazy, they'll continue to force "treatment".

 

[BPD Barbie]

Now the world will talk about mental health and suicide for a while becuase they feel its their way of clearing their conscience. After a few weeks it'll be forgotten and back to normal where mental health is concerned.
Just shows though, you never know what's going on in someone's head. I hope she found peace though from whatever demons were tormenting her.

 

[WEASEL1234]

Good luck my friend
Here if you need someone
I mean that

Same here my friend

 

[Mr2005]

i have JUST been discharged from hospital after last night overdose again. Mental health discharged me saying " you're not at immediate risk of suicide"?!?? I despair

I was deemed "not depressed" when I was in there as well. You fake it, simple

 

[Pan]

I only wish I knew how to do this.

It is easy enough; forget partial hanging. Full suspension is quick; within minutes you are dead. If you opt for full suspension, avoid food at least two to three hours beforehand, lest you soil yourself.

 

[JohnUK]

It was terrible wasn't it?! Lots of shouting and screaming. God knows why anyone would put themselves on that show


This is peoples lived experience which is why we repeat it. The whole damn country is talking about how trash our mental health services are, where TF have you been? The failure of the system is exactly why this website exists!
Idk WTF you're talking about, I wasn't aware everyone here was against sectioning, this is news to me. You're either a troll or you live on a different planet

I Know what you mean . If the show was still around, I would rather jump off beachy head cliffs than ever make an apperence on the show

 

[ForensicallyAware]

 

[WEASEL1234]

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That is a great image to post... so true.

 

[No capacity]

It is easy enough; forget partial hanging. Full suspension is quick; within minutes you are dead. If you opt for full suspension, avoid food at least two to three hours beforehand, lest you soil yourself.

Not brave enough or skilled enough for full. Too worried I hand up paralsysed. Feel partial is less risky if you fail.

 

[Pan]

Men——please be aware that you will more than likely be found with an erection. This is my due to to restricted blood supply. Women—-be observant of your menstrual cycle. These are the only supposed consequences that occur with full suspension hanging.

 

[Xena87]

Men——please be aware that you will more than likely be found with an erection. This is my due to to restricted blood supply. Women—-be observant of your menstrual cycle. These are the only supposed consequences that occur with full suspension hanging.

Really?

 

[Pan]

Yes. Men are particularly prone to spontaneous erections during hanging.