Losing friends one by one over C19 denial. No one cares I'm disabled, at risk

[jupiterwinds]

I lost yet another friend today, a disabled and chronically ill friend at that. We met in a support group virtually during the pandemic. We have some of the same illnesses and trauma history. Long story short, they haven't been there for me for a long time. Then they sided with someone who is C19 denying and perpetuating harm against people like us but told me I'm being unfair for saying that bothers me and makes me feel less safe and trusting toward them. Everyone loves to lash out at me when I hold them accountable for ableism, C19 denial, disability denial. I'm sick of this. I'm the pandemic killjoy. The "faker" and complainer. People act like they care then shit on me the second I need something or disagree with them about something. Then suddenly I'm a burden, unreasonable, lying.

I'm autistic. I'm honest to a fucking fault. I feel how I feel. The pandemic is objectively oppressing people like me and so is irresponsible behavior around it. Yet one by one, my friends show me that they never cared about vulnerable people and/or they never believed that I'm disabled. I'm not even speaking to my mom, who was my only family support and I need help from to survive. That's how serious I am about this. So no, I'm not letting nonsense slide.

I'm in so much physical and emotional pain. My partner is emotionally abusive but I'll likely live with him the rest of my life, however long that is, because no one else will shelter with me and help support me, even though now he doesn't have a job and is more disabled than he was so nothing is certain but he does have family willing to help, at least for now. It's a mess. And I can only talk about this here. I keep wanting to tell people what I'm thinking. I'm even scared to do it here, honestly. But I also know it'll just get me put in a hospital and I'll get C19 there, which is my absolute worst fear right now, so fuck that. It wouldn't actually lead to help. It never has before. It won't make my mom decide that my life matters more than her yoga cult. Or make my partner stop being abusive. Or make my dad finally care enough to help me survive instead of telling me I'm not really disabled, even now with my huge stack of medical records and diagnoses. They'll just label me "crazy" and send me back into a broken mental health system yet again, a system that harms disabled people and does nothing helpful for us.

I'm so so so angry. I'm sick of being treated like absolute garbage for having needs, for being disabled, for caring about the pandemic, for not wanting people to be selfish assholes and kill or further disable me and people like me. The pandemic is the final straw. I see no hope. This will completely upend society as we know it in all the worst ways, especially with climate crisis, mass shootings, other pandemics. It's a total mess and my life will keep getting scarier and smaller. I'm not afraid of dying. I'm scared of getting even sicker because I know no help is out there.

 

[chloramine]

I'm sorry people aren't taking your health concerns seriously. Isolation is brutal and when everything is already awful and isolation is being piled on it's. It just makes everything so much worse. The pandemic has objectively been harder on people with disabilities and having that be dismissed must feel so unfair. I imagine having people you care about and trust dismiss it feels like a massive betrayal

 

[FuneralCry]

Many people can be cruel, disappointing and selfish. I'm sorry that you have to deal with those people. To me it is terrible the way that many people treat others. Life is just so unfair and it is understandable why you would be angry. I hope that in whatever happens, you find relief from suffering.

 

[HopefulButPrepared]

I sympathetize with losing friends and being lonely but for us on the other side this is also a non-negotiable issue. The fake or planned pandemic and your enthusiasm with following orders and trusting the criminals in charge cannot be accepted. I'm not sad that society is breaking apart with this and other things. It's been a long time coming and living in deceit, managed by a clinically psychopathic plutocracy was much worse than death. I don't want peace in those terms. Pax Romana, with a large population of slaves. No thanks. I hope strife manifests as soon as possible, while I still can participate.

It's so funny how they were getting us to completely freak out about the pandemic, until Ukraine got invaded, or whatever people want to call it, and now it's like there was never a pandemic at all. People have stopped wearing masks in healthcare facilities here in the UK now. It's like nothing happened, it's all forgotten about!

 

[Ta555]

It truly blows my mind how anyone can call this pandemic fake or planned or whatever. The tinfoil hat vibes are strong.

I'm like you, preexisting medical conditions and catching Covid terrified me. Well I've got it right now..I'm in bed right now feeling shit. I'm afraid the shit that was making me want to Ctb in the first place is getting worse and that I will really be pushed to Ctb in the near future whereas I was still clinging on to hope of getting better before. Anyone wants to tell me this is fake or just a cold or whatever can go suck a fucking lemon. This shit is real and I'm glad we had vaccines because even though I'm pretty shit now and wish I was dead often throughout the last two days, it might have been even worse. I really don't want to Ctb but I also can't keep living with these issues.

Sending well wishes your way

 

[jupiterwinds]

I sympathetize with losing friends and being lonely but for us on the other side this is also a non-negotiable issue. The fake or planned pandemic and your enthusiasm with following orders and trusting the criminals in charge cannot be accepted. I'm not sad that society is breaking apart with this and other things. It's been a long time coming and living in deceit, managed by a clinically psychopathic plutocracy was much worse than death. I don't want peace in those terms. Pax Romana, with a large population of slaves. No thanks. I hope strife manifests as soon as possible, while I still can participate.

The other side, lol. Okay. Reporting you for false COVID info. If this website allows anti-science propaganda that is contributing to the death, disability, and oppression of marginalized people like me, I'll be leaving.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

The other side, lol. Okay. Reporting you for false COVID info. If this website allows anti-science propaganda that is contributing to the death, disability, and oppression of marginalized people like me, I'll be leaving.

@whatevs is OK. He just dances to the beat of his own drummer. Sure, I entirely disagree with him, too, on what he just said about this Covid-19 stuff, but he has his own opinions. I have known people who have died from Covid-19 and I know people who survived it that are now suffering with the aftermath of having it. It ain't pretty for those in a vulnerable condition. Yeah, people have let their guard down a bit, but that's what people do, and we have been living with it for quite some time and people are tired. Don't worry, it will be back in the Fall with a new vengeance, and some of the doubters now won't be so smug when it gets someone they care for. There's already a new variant. The shit-ass media isn't helping by only marginally reporting on it, anymore. And don't leave. Stick around. I hate to say it, but it does get better. I mean here on SS. Maybe not in life, but here it will.

 

[RainAndSadness]

What some posters here don't seem to understand is that COVID is a real-life threat for some members. And there are people who can't afford to be wrong about this subject because they will literally pay with their life. I would appreciate if we could take this into consideration when we discuss the pandemic.

 

[chloramine]

@whatevs is OK. He just dances to the beat of his own drummer. Sure, I entirely disagree with him, too, on what he just said about this Covid-19 stuff, but he has his own opinions. I have known people who have died from Covid-19 and I know people who survived it that are now suffering with the aftermath of having it. It ain't pretty for those in a vulnerable condition. Yeah, people have let their guard down a bit, but that's what people do, and we have been living with it for quite some time and people are tired. Don't worry, it will be back in the Fall with a new vengeance, and some of the doubters now won't be so smug when it gets someone they care for. There's already a new variant. The shit-ass media isn't helping by only marginally reporting on it, anymore. And don't leave. Stick around. I hate to say it, but it does get better. I mean here on SS. Maybe not in life, but here it will.

It was also in response to someone saying they had been hurt by people dismissing the threat of covid which. Is just piling on to the initial hurt. I can agree to people having different opinions and leaving room for that in the forum. This was not the place to go into covid denial regardless of beliefs though.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

It was also in response to someone saying they had been hurt by people dismissing the threat of covid which. Is just piling on to the initial hurt. I can agree to people having different opinions and leaving room for that in the forum. This was not the place to go into covid denial regardless of beliefs though.

The entire world is full of people having to negotiate on a daily basis with people of differing opinions. What you state is your opinion and yours alone. Any my post wasn't even directed at you to start with. And I even said right in my post that I was in disagreement with @whatevs opinion. Still, I get attacked. I think some people just like to attack others no matter what. This cancel culture has become too much, and that's my opinion.

 

[chloramine]

The entire world is full of people having to negotiate on a daily basis with people of differing opinions. What you state is your opinion and yours alone. Any my post wasn't even directed at you to start with. And I even said right in my post that I was in disagreement with @whatevs opinion. Still, I get attacked. I think some people just like to attack others no matter what. This cancel culture has become too much, and that's my opinion.

I'm sorry that I caused you to feel attacked- my intention was discussion. I didn't initially have the bandwidth to respond to @whatevs and other people had already done so by the time I did. My concern with what you had expressed wasn't that people shouldn't be allowed to express their beliefs and opinions, but that there are more appropriate times and places to do so.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I'm sorry that I caused you to feel attacked- my intention was discussion. I didn't initially have the bandwidth to respond to @whatevs and other people had already done so by the time I did. My concern with what you had expressed wasn't that people shouldn't be allowed to express their beliefs and opinions, but that there are more appropriate times and places to do so.

Well, the one thing I do not feel is that @whatevs attacked anybody with his post. All he did was state his beliefs, and just because they were contrary to the OP's, and others, beliefs, I don't feel that is any kind of reason to "criminalize" his thoughts. Whatever happened to just "turning the other cheek" and ignoring what we don't agree with. He could have just been ignored by all on this Thread with differing opinions and, I believe, the Thread would have went on in a "gentile" way just fine. Does everything always have to have a reaction of some sort? I posit that this world would be much better off if we didn't always feel the need to respond to every contrary opinion. Again, that's just my opinion.

 

[chloramine]

Well, the one thing I do not feel is that @whatevs attacked anybody with his post. All he did was state his beliefs, and just because they were contrary to the OP's, and others, beliefs, I don't feel that is any kind of reason to "criminalize" his thoughts. Whatever happened to just "turning the other cheek" and ignoring what we don't agree with. He could have just been ignored by all on this Thread with differing opinions and, I believe, the Thread would have went on in a "gentile" way just fine. Does everything always have to have a reaction of some sort? I posit that this world would be much better off if we didn't always feel the need to respond to every contrary opinion. Again, that's just my opinion.

By the same logic he could have ignored this thread though? Or not included the part that (at least to me) reads as an attack against @jupiterwinds. He was the one who initially came to a post where someone was saying "I'm hurt because my friends are dismissing me for this" and then proceeded to dismiss said person's concerns. It comes across as invalidating at best and I can't really see a helpful rationale for bringing it up here.

 

[DreamSurfer]

I respect and value other's opinions. Just disappointed to see a post regarding someone struggling with many issues, hijacked over disagreements.

Jupiter, very sorry to hear that you are going through such a tough time. Everyone has a right to fear for themselves getting an illness, especially with compromised immune systems. I know a few people that died and one that has permanent lung damage over it. I hope that you can find a place, even if it isn't here, to freely vent and feel welcome speaking about what is bothering you.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

By the same logic he could have ignored this thread though?

He could have. You get no argument from me on that. But, he didn't. Or couldn't. I think then the onus is on (others) to take the higher ground and not escalate the situation, which can be difficult to do. I get that. But, if more were able to do that, we'd (as a society), have a lot less problems. Hell, even a lot of us here on SS might not even be here, if more were able to just ignore perceived slights and, rather, just allow them to wither away on their own.

 

[chloramine]

He could have. You get no argument from me on that. But, he didn't. Or couldn't. I think then the onus is on (others) to take the higher ground and not escalate the situation, which can be difficult to do. I get that. But, if more were able to do that, we'd (as a society), have a lot less problems. Hell, even a lot of us here on SS might not even be here, if more were able to just ignore perceived slights and, rather, just allow them to wither away on their own.

I don't see the resulting comments being about his opinion necessarily though? Other people may well have been going for their own knee jerk reaction and according to what you just said we should also be making room for that. It just feels like you're applying a double standard here in terms of who says what. I added what I did with the intention of supporting the OP not against him or you. It was about trying to mitigate the potential added pain, not trying to create more. Because if someone says that and no one says anything in response it can very easily feel (and be) like implicit agreement. And this thread is supposed to be about the OP and what they're experiencing.

 

[Winterreise]

Well, the one thing I do not feel is that @whatevs attacked anybody with his post. All he did was state his beliefs, and just because they were contrary to the OP's, and others, beliefs, I don't feel that is any kind of reason to "criminalize" his thoughts. Whatever happened to just "turning the other cheek" and ignoring what we don't agree with. He could have just been ignored by all on this Thread with differing opinions and, I believe, the Thread would have went on in a "gentile" way just fine. Does everything always have to have a reaction of some sort? I posit that this world would be much better off if we didn't always feel the need to respond to every contrary opinion. Again, that's just my opinion.

Well, the one thing I do not feel is that @whatevs attacked anybody with his post. All he did was state his beliefs, and just because they were contrary to the OP's, and others, beliefs, I don't feel that is any kind of reason to "criminalize" his thoughts. Whatever happened to just "turning the other cheek" and ignoring what we don't agree with. He could have just been ignored by all on this Thread with differing opinions and, I believe, the Thread would have went on in a "gentile" way just fine. Does everything always have to have a reaction of some sort? I posit that this world would be much better off if we didn't always feel the need to respond to every contrary opinion. Again, that's just my opinion.

The entire world is full of people having to negotiate on a daily basis with people of differing opinions. What you state is your opinion and yours alone. Any my post wasn't even directed at you to start with. And I even said right in my post that I was in disagreement with @whatevs opinion. Still, I get attacked. I think some people just like to attack others no matter what. This cancel culture has become too much, and that's my opinion.

The fact that you have lost friend to covid 19 and disagree with whatev, really just make your comments more odd.

Why should we ignore comments we disagree with?

By the way it was whatev who couldnt tolerate opinions.

 

[ewigeruhe]

The other side, lol. Okay. Reporting you for false COVID info. If this website allows anti-science propaganda that is contributing to the death, disability, and oppression of marginalized people like me, I'll be leaving.

This is a really sad statement from you and i am rather disappointed if whatevs comment was deleted because of this. You are complaining about a disease on a suicide forum wtf. The reality is you have fear instilled into you by MSM and the powers that be about a disease that is on par with the regular flu and this even though the statistics are clearly manipulated i.e. every person that tests positive for it is counted regardless of the cause of death and the tests that are used have been clearly shown to be inadequate for use in this matter. However people may feel about this whole topic i think that every one has the right to voice his opinion regardless of feeling of others free speech is the most important thing we have. I don't care if i get banned for this but it would make me sad since i found this community welcoming and tolerant until this point.
And regardless what happens i wish you the best and hope you find peace.

Edit:
Btw Science is the art of questioning things and existing theories and not censoring, supress and shut down other theories and voices even though nowadys
the scientific community has become a dogmatic cult sadly.

 

[Chinaski]

He could have. You get no argument from me on that. But, he didn't. Or couldn't. I think then the onus is on (others) to take the higher ground and not escalate the situation, which can be difficult to do.

The onus is not on people to tolerate nasty and unpleasant shit from assholes, it's on people to not be nasty and unpleasant assholes in the first place. The idea that this forum should actually be extra tolerant to those who use this place foremostly as a dumping ground for their bellicose bigotry and furious flat-earthing and that the responsibility for forum harmony is on those who naturally find this shit offensive is absolutely wrong-headed.

 

[come to dust]

what is C19?

 

[Chinaski]

what is C19?

Depending on which thread you're reading, it's: a global pandemic which has killed many people, an illuminati con trick designed to turn us all into Normies, or a necessary cull of the generically inferior.

 

[come to dust]

Depending on which thread you're reading, it's: a global pandemic which has killed many people, an illuminati con trick designed to turn us all into Normies, or a necessary cull of the generically inferior.

Oh, i didnt realise they were talking about covid 19

 

[Chinaski]

This is a really sad statement from you and i am rather disappointed if whatevs comment was deleted because of this. You are complaining about a disease on a suicide forum wtf. The reality is you have fear instilled into you by MSM and the powers that be about a disease that is on par with the regular flu and this even though the statistics are clearly manipulated i.e. every person that tests positive for it is counted regardless of the cause of death and the tests that are used have been clearly shown to be inadequate for use in this matter. However people may feel about this whole topic i think that every one has the right to voice his opinion regardless of feeling of others free speech is the most important thing we have. I don't care if i get banned for this but it would make me sad since i found this community welcoming and tolerant until this point.
And regardless what happens i wish you the best and hope you find peace.

Edit:
Btw Science is the art of questioning things and existing theories and not censoring, supress and shut down other theories and voices even though nowadys
the scientific community has become a dogmatic cult sadly.

This is a bad post, yes they're complaining about a disease which has killed many on a suicide forum, when you consider how frequently people gripe about their dicks or their inability to attain casual sex on demand and insist this is treated as the pinnacle of human suffering on this forum it's remarkable how this very legitimate post has brought out the Free Speech crusaders who want to attack the person for it. Muh Free Speech does not mean people are entitled to bellow their opinions in an unpleasant way in inappropriate places and everyone should simply suck it up.

 

[ewigeruhe]

This is a bad post, yes they're complaining about a disease which has killed many on a suicide forum, when you consider how frequently people gripe about their dicks or their inability to attain casual sex on demand and insist this is treated as the pinnacle of human suffering on this forum it's remarkable how this very legitimate post has brought out the Free Speech crusaders who want to attack the person for it. Muh Free Speech does not mean people are entitled to bellow their opinions in an unpleasant way in inappropriate places and everyone should simply suck it up.

So rather to discuss the topic openly just supress every other opinion because someone might find it offensive? Are you serious? If we lived like that nothing would progress anymore.
Also it seems that you act a bit disingenous when the only point you bring up is my first sentence and yes i am a bit taken aback that one should have a problem with potentially dying who is on this forum.
There are principles that must never be given up and one of those is free speech and it is under attack from all sides for years.
Everyone can believe whatever he wants and should be able to voice this openly if that is not possible we are no longer a free society.
On the topic of the coof just one more thing the official satistical death figures show clearly that it is not more dangerous then the flu and countries like Sweden
have shown that one can live with this disease without any restrictions to ones life.

 

[Chinaski]

Nobody is attacking "free speech" here, there is now a full subforum devoted to cribbed right-wing talk radio viewpoints and various tin-hat crankery so this place can continue to serve its purpose as a dumping ground for rancid bullshit, the point is if you're going to post something offensive in an inappropriate place other people are going to exercise their own right to Free Speech to disapprove.

 

[ewigeruhe]

Nobody is attacking "free speech" here, there is now a full subforum devoted to cribbed right-wing talk radio viewpoints and various tin-hat crankery so this place can continue to serve its purpose as a dumping ground for rancid bullshit, the point is if you're going to post something offensive in an inappropriate place other people are going to exercise their own right to Free Speech to disapprove.

That is clearly not the case here since OP voiced his opinion about this topic first and whatevs posted imo a rational disagreement which was deleted for whatever reason.
And instead of engaging in a valid discussion it seems that you only bring up strawmen arguments in order to discredit my points via lumping them in with "consipracy theories" this saddens me.

 

[Dot]

I lost yet another friend today, a disabled and chronically ill friend at that. We met in a support group virtually during the pandemic. We have some of the same illnesses and trauma history. Long story short, they haven't been there for me for a long time. Then they sided with someone who is C19 denying and perpetuating harm against people like us but told me I'm being unfair for saying that bothers me and makes me feel less safe and trusting toward them. Everyone loves to lash out at me when I hold them accountable for ableism, C19 denial, disability denial. I'm sick of this. I'm the pandemic killjoy. The "faker" and complainer. People act like they care then shit on me the second I need something or disagree with them about something. Then suddenly I'm a burden, unreasonable, lying.

I'm autistic. I'm honest to a fucking fault. I feel how I feel. The pandemic is objectively oppressing people like me and so is irresponsible behavior around it. Yet one by one, my friends show me that they never cared about vulnerable people and/or they never believed that I'm disabled. I'm not even speaking to my mom, who was my only family support and I need help from to survive. That's how serious I am about this. So no, I'm not letting nonsense slide.

I'm in so much physical and emotional pain. My partner is emotionally abusive but I'll likely live with him the rest of my life, however long that is, because no one else will shelter with me and help support me, even though now he doesn't have a job and is more disabled than he was so nothing is certain but he does have family willing to help, at least for now. It's a mess. And I can only talk about this here. I keep wanting to tell people what I'm thinking. I'm even scared to do it here, honestly. But I also know it'll just get me put in a hospital and I'll get C19 there, which is my absolute worst fear right now, so fuck that. It wouldn't actually lead to help. It never has before. It won't make my mom decide that my life matters more than her yoga cult. Or make my partner stop being abusive. Or make my dad finally care enough to help me survive instead of telling me I'm not really disabled, even now with my huge stack of medical records and diagnoses. They'll just label me "crazy" and send me back into a broken mental health system yet again, a system that harms disabled people and does nothing helpful for us.

I'm so so so angry. I'm sick of being treated like absolute garbage for having needs, for being disabled, for caring about the pandemic, for not wanting people to be selfish assholes and kill or further disable me and people like me. The pandemic is the final straw. I see no hope. This will completely upend society as we know it in all the worst ways, especially with climate crisis, mass shootings, other pandemics. It's a total mess and my life will keep getting scarier and smaller. I'm not afraid of dying. I'm scared of getting even sicker because I know no help is out there.

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If o.p. hs cme 2 th/ frum fr spprt wth thse feelngs thn persnlly slf feel = imprtnt 2 fcus on tht & spprt o.p. whre w/ cn - am srry Juptr fr th/ isolatn tht u r dealng wth rght nw

Regrdng Whatvrs cmmnt - slf dd nt persnlly remve tht pst bt = ws dirct critcsm of o.ps protectve measres @ tme whn thy r tryn2 sy hw thy r strgglng wth thr vulnrbilty -- @ rsk indvidls shld nt b mde 2 fl lke tht espclly on a frum tht thy cme 2 fr spport

1 thng tht = imprtnt 2 remmbr = tht all srts of reasns brng ppl 2 sasu - havng thghts abt c.t.b & b-ing afrd of deth d/ nt hve 2 b mutlly exclusve -- mny ppl on sasu 2/ nt actlly wn2 die & mny of thse wh/ wsh 2 prefr d/ s/ on thr own trms

Regrdng Covd - ech sde of th/ argmnt wll hve accss 2 statstcs 2 bck up thr viewpnts & whle free spch = imprtnt invald8tng sme1s strggles on sasu = nt helpfl 2 thm eithr s/ wld sggst havng tht deb8 on a thrd othr thn 1 whre sme1 jst wantd sme spport

Own 2 cents

 

[GentleJerk]

Uh... c19 denial? As in denying the existence of covid?

 

[whitefeather]

Breaking Covid research UCSF - "I'm afraid of Long Covid " >

 

[watchingthewheels]

Several posts on this forum wishing for death and destruction of the human race that remain posted, and with "likes", but sure, remove Whatev's post (which was expressed rather mildly, in comparison...)

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...man-species-suddenly-died.57316/#post-1055043