Losing friends one by one over C19 denial. No one cares I'm disabled, at risk

[Chinaski]

Several posts on this forum wishing for death and destruction of the human race that remain posted, and with "likes", but sure, remove Whatev's post (which was expressed rather mildly, in comparison...)

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...man-species-suddenly-died.57316/#post-1055043

I too agree that moderation should be used more widely on all posts of this nature and not only this objectively offensive individual post. It's not as if the people who use this forum for the particular purpose of ramming their right to offensive Free Speech down the throats of the Woke Snowflakes haven't been generously afforded their own actual subforum for their bullshit.

 

[chloramine]

Several posts on this forum wishing for death and destruction of the human race that remain posted, and with "likes", but sure, remove Whatev's post (which was expressed rather mildly, in comparison...)

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...man-species-suddenly-died.57316/#post-1055043

That's not really the issue here though? I do think that spreading disinformation about covid is dangerous, but the primary issue is that someone came on a post where someone needed support and decided that was the time to share their views. When it was particularly hurtful towards the person asking for support. Regardless of what you believe on the topic the when and where of his choice to do so is clearly not okay. At best it's thoughtless and uncaring.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

The onus is not on people to tolerate nasty and unpleasant shit from assholes, it's on people to not be nasty and unpleasant assholes in the first place. The idea that this forum should actually be extra tolerant to those who use this place foremostly as a dumping ground for their bellicose bigotry and furious flat-earthing and that the responsibility for forum harmony is on those who naturally find this shit offensive is absolutely wrong-headed.

Well, you are entirely wrong, IMO. First, in your words, not mine, certain people are ALWAYS going to be nasty and unpleasant assholes, although I really do not see @whatevs in that way at all, especially in what he posted in this Thread, yesterday. We encounter people like that in this world every day. So, in your "eye for an eye" philosophy, exactly where would it end? Someone says something you don't like, so you respond, and then that someone responds, and then you respond again, and so on, and so forth. The only thing that your philosophy ensures is that disagreements go on in perpetuity. The much better way to handle a situation in which someone says something that is contrary to your beliefs (at least in a social forum) is to just ignore the (perceived) offender and go on about your own business making your own points. It is incumbent upon someone to take the high ground, to end the disagreement, to keep from further escalation of the situation. After something (contrary) is posted by someone, they are unable to take the high ground any more. It immediately falls to others to flex their "moral superiority", and that is done by just ignoring the offending post (in this case). In many cases these kinds of people, who post inflammatory words, often do so just to get a rise out of others. Responding to these posts in a defensive manner only reinforces the original poster's intention. It is FAR better to just ignore the offensive posts and deprive the poster of the gratification they seek. If everyone did just that, then the offensive poster loses their entire reason for even making those types of posts since they won't be getting anything out of it, anymore. It all has to end somewhere.

The fact that you have lost friend to covid 19 and disagree with whatev, really just make your comments more odd.

Why should we ignore comments we disagree with?

By the way it was whatev who couldnt tolerate opinions.

I see nothing wrong in what he said by expressing his opinions, even if they are contrary to mine and others. He has a right to his opinions as much as anyone else. I don't see him as any less intolerant of others' opinions as anyone else on this site. It is sometimes better to ignore comments in order to cease escalating a situation. To take the high road. Someone has to. @whateves was not able to do that anymore, since he was the one who posted the "inflammatory" post first. It then falls on others to take a higher ground, ignore the offending words, which, in turn, automatically brings an end to the entire situation, just like that, in an instant. You can then flex your moral superiority in the mirror if you like. By doing so, you, also, deprive him of the gratification of getting a rise out of you, which everyone who responded to his post handed him on a giant gold plate I might add.

I don't see the resulting comments being about his opinion necessarily though? Other people may well have been going for their own knee jerk reaction and according to what you just said we should also be making room for that. It just feels like you're applying a double standard here in terms of who says what. I added what I did with the intention of supporting the OP not against him or you. It was about trying to mitigate the potential added pain, not trying to create more. Because if someone says that and no one says anything in response it can very easily feel (and be) like implicit agreement. And this thread is supposed to be about the OP and what they're experiencing.

I'm sorry you are unable to see.

And now I'm going to take the higher road and bring this conversation, at least on my end, to a finality. I've said all I'm going to say, but all ya'all feel free to go on, and on, and on if that's what you like. Learning about how to tolerate others with differing opinions, and the proper techniques of dealing with one's own Ego, should be made into a required course in both high school and higher education, IMO.

 

[jupiterwinds]

My whole fucking point is COVID isn't agree to disagree. People not taking precautions makes things less safe for all of us. I want to die but I do NOT want long COVID in a world where I can't get treatment or safely end my life. I'm really pissed at what my thread turned into and disappointed in this nonsense about opinions and cancel culture. Can't you just let it slide for once? I was looking for support from like-minded people, not another bullshit gaslighting nonsense debate. Fuck this.
Thanks for taking yet another space from me, COVID deniers and apologists. Yeah, maybe I am sensitive. I'm disabled, autistic, traumatized, marginalized. You all could grow the fuck up and just let me find people to commiserate with instead of turning my misery into another place to waste time arguing about things that are hurting people like me and making the time we have left even worse.
I can't even vent about this shit on a suicide forum without a pile-on of privileged arguing about "opinions."

 

[chloramine]

Well, you are entirely wrong, IMO. First, in your words, not mine, certain people are ALWAYS going to be nasty and unpleasant assholes, although I really do not see @whatevs in that way at all, especially in what he posted in this Thread, yesterday. We encounter people like that in this world every day. So, in your "eye for an eye" philosophy, exactly where would it end? Someone says something you don't like, so you respond, and then that someone responds, and then you respond again, and so on, and so forth. The only thing that your philosophy ensures is that disagreements go on in perpetuity. The much better way to handle a situation in which someone says something that is contrary to your beliefs (at least in a social forum) is to just ignore the (perceived) offender and go on about your own business making your own points. It is incumbent upon someone to take the high ground, to end the disagreement, to keep from further escalation of the situation. After something (contrary) is posted by someone, they are unable to take the high ground any more. It immediately falls to others to flex their "moral superiority", and that is done by just ignoring the offending post (in this case). In many cases these kinds of people, who post inflammatory words, often do so just to get a rise out of others. Responding to these posts in a defensive manner only reinforces the original poster's intention. It is FAR better to just ignore the offensive posts and deprive the poster of the gratification they seek. If everyone did just that, then the offensive poster loses their entire reason for even making those types of posts since they won't be getting anything out of it, anymore. It all has to end somewhere.

I see nothing wrong in what he said by expressing his opinions, even if they are contrary to mine and others. He has a right to his opinions as much as anyone else. I don't see him as any less intolerant of others' opinions as anyone else on this site. It is sometimes better to ignore comments in order to cease escalating a situation. To take the high road. Someone has to. @whateves was not able to do that anymore, since he was the one who posted the "inflammatory" post first. It then falls on others to take a higher ground, ignore the offending words, which, in turn, automatically brings an end to the entire situation, just like that, in an instant. You can then flex your moral superiority in the mirror if you like. By doing so, you, also, deprive him of the gratification of getting a rise out of you, which everyone who responded to his post handed him on a giant gold plate I might add.

I'm sorry you are unable to see.

And now I'm going to take the higher road and bring this conversation, at least on my end, to a finality. I've said all I'm going to say, but all ya'all feel free to go on, and on, and on if that's what you like. Learning about how to tolerate others with differing opinions, and the proper techniques of dealing with one's own Ego, should be made into a required course in both high school and higher education, IMO.

This isn't an issue of "you prefer rock music and I like jazz" though. This is literally a matter of life and death (or worse- life that has been made worse than death). You wouldn't tell someone being stabbed or witnessing someone being stabbed to "flex their moral superiority". Yes there are 100% times when we should agree to disagree, but when the views on one side actively endanger and oppress people it is not the place for that. Just because there will always be people who hurt others doesn't mean that it doesn't matter.

 

[Winterreise]

Well, you are entirely wrong, IMO. First, in your words, not mine, certain people are ALWAYS going to be nasty and unpleasant assholes, although I really do not see @whatevs in that way at all, especially in what he posted in this Thread, yesterday. We encounter people like that in this world every day. So, in your "eye for an eye" philosophy, exactly where would it end? Someone says something you don't like, so you respond, and then that someone responds, and then you respond again, and so on, and so forth. The only thing that your philosophy ensures is that disagreements go on in perpetuity. The much better way to handle a situation in which someone says something that is contrary to your beliefs (at least in a social forum) is to just ignore the (perceived) offender and go on about your own business making your own points. It is incumbent upon someone to take the high ground, to end the disagreement, to keep from further escalation of the situation. After something (contrary) is posted by someone, they are unable to take the high ground any more. It immediately falls to others to flex their "moral superiority", and that is done by just ignoring the offending post (in this case). In many cases these kinds of people, who post inflammatory words, often do so just to get a rise out of others. Responding to these posts in a defensive manner only reinforces the original poster's intention. It is FAR better to just ignore the offensive posts and deprive the poster of the gratification they seek. If everyone did just that, then the offensive poster loses their entire reason for even making those types of posts since they won't be getting anything out of it, anymore. It all has to end somewhere.

I see nothing wrong in what he said by expressing his opinions, even if they are contrary to mine and others. He has a right to his opinions as much as anyone else. I don't see him as any less intolerant of others' opinions as anyone else on this site. It is sometimes better to ignore comments in order to cease escalating a situation. To take the high road. Someone has to. @whateves was not able to do that anymore, since he was the one who posted the "inflammatory" post first. It then falls on others to take a higher ground, ignore the offending words, which, in turn, automatically brings an end to the entire situation, just like that, in an instant. You can then flex your moral superiority in the mirror if you like. By doing so, you, also, deprive him of the gratification of getting a rise out of you, which everyone who responded to his post handed him on a giant gold plate I might add.

I'm sorry you are unable to see.

And now I'm going to take the higher road and bring this conversation, at least on my end, to a finality. I've said all I'm going to say, but all ya'all feel free to go on, and on, and on if that's what you like. Learning about how to tolerate others with differing opinions, and the proper techniques of dealing with one's own Ego, should be made into a required course in both high school and higher education, IMO.

There is a difference between truth and lie.