Resource LOOK UP THE ONSET OF YOUR BENZO (Re: SN)

[opheliaoveragain]

10+ year benzo user and abuser here.

I can't possibly reply to all SN threads wondering about benzos, so I figured I'd put this out there this way. Let's go ahead and say you have everything gathered together for an SN protocol; everything is sorted, you're trying to figure out HOW MUCH and maybe WHEN you should take the benzo in your protocol.

Ask yourself and research the following:

1. Which benzo is it? They are not all the same, some are meant for panic attacks with 5-6 hours of being active in the body, for example, regular (not extended release) Xanax, Xanax kicks in very fast as it formulated to. Some are meant to mange general anxiety and last 12 hours or so, for example Klonopin.

2. What is the onset of the benzo you have access to? This will dictate when you need to take it with your protocol. Please also take into account that you will not have anything of note in your stomach to absorb it assuming you have fasting, so it will hit faster. Take this in account.

3. Keep in mind that if you have ZERO BENZO TOLERANCE, you will likely feel the affects very strongly, this has caused several people to pass out or further be unable to complete their SN protocol, and they essentially wake up the next day or so (Benzo's alone are NOT FATAL (generally), don't try it, don't waste them.)

I'm sure there are things I missed. Please feel free to drop any questions etc below.

 

[phoebie467]

This is my plan: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/is-my-sn-protocol-ok.177372/

I'd like you to give me some tips on how I could fit benzo into the protocol, could taking a 2mg pill (along with ibuprofen) 1 hour before the SN increase the chances of vomiting?

According to the benzos comparison image below, alprazolam causes average sleep (Is there any risk of waking up during CTB?), diazepam seems to be the most balanced, with a greater sedative power than alprazolam, and the strongest of all seems to be flunitrazepam.

I bought alprazolam just because the vizzy guide mentioned that Xanax was one of the preferable benzos. But now I'm in doubt.

If I had access to other benzos, should I switch to a more powerful one?

 

[opheliaoveragain]

This is my plan: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/is-my-sn-protocol-ok.177372/

I'd like you to give me some tips on how I could fit benzo into the protocol, could taking a 2mg pill (along with ibuprofen) 1 hour before the SN increase the chances of vomiting?

According to the benzos comparison image below, alprazolam causes average sleep (Is there any risk of waking up during CTB?), diazepam seems to be the most balanced, with a greater sedative power than alprazolam, and the strongest of all seems to be flunitrazepam.

I bought alprazolam just because the vizzy guide mentioned that Xanax was one of the preferable benzos. But now I'm in doubt.

If I had access to other benzos, should I switch to a more powerful one?

Re: SN, you're pretty likely to puke no matter what, that's why a second (and third, sometimes) glass are usually mentioned. It's about the buildup of SN in the body, that's why it's 25g per drink. As long as the benzo has time to absorb, you wont lose it puking, IB is kinda whatever, I'm not so sure on what that would do.

Re: Benzo, stronger if you have no tolerance isn't always better and Xanax is very reliable in terms of onset and absorption. The issue is, with a huge dose of any benzo, OR with something very strong… with assumedly not an addicts level of tolerance to benzos, or zero tolerance, regular user tolerance, etc, you could take too much before SN and in those 15 or whatever minutes between the two you'll get hit by the benzo and pass out (not CTB) and just wake up the next day.

 

[lnlybnny]

I wonder what happens when a person never had benzos before takes them a few hours before just to use the SN? Should they take benzos weeks in advance to see the reaction?

 

[divinemistress36]

I wonder what happens when a person never had benzos before takes them a few hours before just to use the SN? Should they take benzos weeks in advance to see the reaction?

I would cause they can make you really sleepy if you havent used them before and you dont want to pass out before taking SN

 

[phoebie467]

Re: SN, you're pretty likely to puke no matter what, that's why a second (and third, sometimes) glass are usually mentioned. It's about the buildup of SN in the body, that's why it's 25g per drink. As long as the benzo has time to absorb, you wont lose it puking, IB is kinda whatever, I'm not so sure on what that would do.

Got it. I think I'll adopt the idea of drinking the cup with benzos a few minutes before the SN drink, just to make sure it's absorbed.

Re: Benzo, stronger if you have no tolerance isn't always better and Xanax is very reliable in terms of onset and absorption. The issue is, with a huge dose of any benzo, OR with something very strong… with assumedly not an addicts level of tolerance to benzos, or zero tolerance, regular user tolerance, etc, you could take too much before SN and in those 15 or whatever minutes between the two you'll get hit by the benzo and pass out (not CTB) and just wake up the next day.

I don't think I have any tolerance. So far, I've only had four 2mg tablets, on different days, just to test their sedative effect. It was the first time in my life that I had used benzo.

Although I did experience what I believe was a side effect: after test it for the fourth time, I spent a few days unable to sleep, I don't think I felt sleepy for about a week. It's as if my body was becoming dependent on the benzo to be able to sleep. Today I feel sleepy normally, and have avoided taking it ever since.

Thanks for the advices, I'm more motivated now.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Got it. I think I'll adopt the idea of drinking the cup with benzos a few minutes before the SN drink, just to make sure it's absorbed.



I don't think I have any tolerance. So far, I've only had four 2mg tablets, on different days, just to test their sedative effect. It was the first time in my life that I had used benzo.

Although I did experience what I believe was a side effect: after test it for the fourth time, I spent a few days unable to sleep, I don't think I felt sleepy for about a week. It's as if my body was becoming dependent on the benzo to be able to sleep. Today I feel sleepy normally, and have avoided taking it ever since.

Thanks for the advices, I'm more motivated now.

It might need more than a few minutes but that term means different things to different people, but if it's Xanax like you said, it's fast but give it at least 5-10 min to be sure if its important to help manage the affects for you.

It might need more than a few minutes but that term means different things to different people, but if it's Xanax like you said, it's fast but give it at least 5-10 min to be sure if its important to help manage the affects for you.

Also be careful how much extra liquid is in your protocol, you can just take the pill w a sip of water vs enough for however much to dissolve. Your body gets used to benzos extremely fast so you are likely right but you were also right to test for sure.

 

[Secrets1]

Xanax works fast and tastes awful so not much to worry about in terms of onset time. For pretty much all other benzos, I'd recommend clonazepam or diazepam (they taste fine), you can chew the pills then hold under your tongue for faster onset. They get into the bloodstream in 5-10 min instead of taking time to digest through your stomach.

 

[phoebie467]

Now I have available alprazolam 2mg, diazepam 10mg and clonazepam 2mg. Yes, I bought more benzos.

My idea is to take 1~2 tablets of alprazolam 1 hour before the SN drink to reduce anxiety and get sleepy, and a whole tablet of diazepam or clonazepam 5 minutes before the SN drink.

How would you choose the benzos if you were me? I should choose what PPH recommends? I mean, there must be some specific reason why they chose to prescribe diazepam, right?

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Now I have available alprazolam 2mg, diazepam 10mg and clonazepam 2mg. Yes, I bought more benzos.

My idea is to take 1~2 tablets of alprazolam 1 hour before the SN drink to reduce anxiety and get sleepy, and a whole tablet of diazepam or clonazepam 5 minutes before the SN drink.

How would you choose the benzos if you were me? I should choose what PPH recommends? I mean, there must be some specific reason why they chose to prescribe diazepam, right?

do you have a tolerance? 1mg of alp is enough to knock someone without one on their ass

 

[phoebie467]

do you have a tolerance? 1mg of alp is enough to knock someone without one on their ass

Nope, the first alprazolam tablet I took was 2 mg and, although it managed to completely cancel out my anxiety, it had a weak sedative effect. I felt I could stay awake if I wanted to, and I also woke up during the night... I don't know if there was any noise, but I don't think so, I just woke up and went back to sleep.

In doses higher than 2mg, the effect may be different. But at just 2mg I feel that it only served to deal with anxiety.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Nope, the first alprazolam tablet I took was 2 mg and, although it managed to completely cancel out my anxiety, it had a weak sedative effect. I felt I could stay awake if I wanted to, and I also woke up during the night... I don't know if there was any noise, but I don't think so, I just woke up and went back to sleep.

In doses higher than 2mg, the effect may be different. But at just 2mg I feel that it only served to deal with anxiety.

ok valid! if you have anxiety it's gonna treat that first. good to test tho. your plan sounds solid. I was only worried about the hour before benzo dose. too many failed plans bc the benzos kick in too soon too heavy ppl can't complete the protocol. wishing you the best. feel free to convo me

 

[phoebie467]

Just to test it out, I took 4mg of alprazolam (two 2mg tablets) at midnight the night before, and only woke up naturally at 3pm. Not one of my alarm clocks was able to wake me up and my sleep wasn't interrupted at any time.

So I came to the conclusion that 2mg only serves to treat anxiety, and 4mg the sedative effect can be intense.

I'm still dizzy and sleepy.

I think alprazolam alone in high doses can do all the work in the SN method. But I'm going to opt to do my benzo drink with diazepam/clonazepam, just because it's PPH's recommendation. The alprazolam 2mg has been great for treating my anxiety and will make the method much smoother, I think.

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I heard that diazepam and clonazepam taste good, which means I could chew them until they are absorbed instead of taking them with water. Is this true?

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Just to test it out, I took 4mg of alprazolam (two 2mg tablets) at midnight the night before, and only woke up naturally at 3pm. Not one of my alarm clocks was able to wake me up and my sleep wasn't interrupted at any time.

So I came to the conclusion that 2mg only serves to treat anxiety, and 4mg the sedative effect can be intense.

I'm still dizzy and sleepy.

I think alprazolam alone in high doses can do all the work in the SN method. But I'm going to opt to do my benzo drink with diazepam/clonazepam, just because it's PPH's recommendation. The alprazolam 2mg has been great for treating my anxiety and will make the method much smoother, I think.

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I heard that diazepam and clonazepam taste good, which means I could chew them until they are absorbed instead of taking them with water. Is this true?

it's smart that you tested so you can time everything the way you want.

it depends on the manufacturer re your taste question. some do some don't.

 

[phoebie467]

When I have them in hand, I will try chewing a tablet to check, this would greatly reduce the amount of water and hopefully reduce the chance of vomiting. Because the taste of alprazolam is awful, it is impossible to chew it and take it without water.

 

[BlackEyedDog]

How many mg of clonazepam does the pph recommend? I take 0.5mg once in a while to help with sleeplessness due to anxiety.
Isn't 30mg going to knock one out pretty quickly? Is that much necessary?

 

[opheliaoveragain]

How many mg of clonazepam does the pph recommend? I take 0.5mg once in a while to help with sleeplessness due to anxiety.
Isn't 30mg going to knock one out pretty quickly? Is that much necessary?

Personally I don't think anyone needs to take 30mg unless they abuse it heavily outside of this and have an insane tolerance. I would recommend checking the PPH link in the resource thread. If your body is used to 0.5, you'll be able to take a good bit more for your protocol, in theory, but it's all about onset and timing since your body will be empty from fasting (if talking SN)

 

[howunfortunateforme]

How many milligrams? And now long before sn drink bc won't you throw up benzo liquid?

Xanax works fast and tastes awful so not much to worry about in terms of onset time. For pretty much all other benzos, I'd recommend clonazepam or diazepam (they taste fine), you can chew the pills then hold under your tongue for faster onset. They get into the bloodstream in 5-10 min instead of taking time to digest through your stomach.

 

[justwannadip]

Personally I don't think anyone needs to take 30mg unless they abuse it heavily outside of this and have an insane tolerance. I would recommend checking the PPH link in the resource thread. If your body is used to 0.5, you'll be able to take a good bit more for your protocol, in theory, but it's all about onset and timing since your body will be empty from fasting (if talking SN)

Hey ophelia, I was hoping you could try to answer some of my questions. I'm prescribed 0.25 mg clonazepam as needed (I asked for the lowest dose) but I rarely take it (maybe once every few weeks—haven't taken it in months). The most I've taken in one setting, I believe, is 4 pills so 1mg. I didn't pass out right away and it by no means made me unconscious, just eventually tired and I took a short nap. Do you think it would be wise to take a test run of 3mg crushed to see how quickly it takes effect and the effectiveness of its sedation?
Do you think that dose could actually help me lose consciousness and not feel or be aware of the SN symptoms? Its hard for me to believe that considering how relatively mild clonazepam has felt for me (even though i'm taking a low dose).

Obv I know ur not a doc so dw its still my decision and choice , but if you could just tell me what you would do in this situation considering you have more experience with benzos that would be helpful. Thank you.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Hey ophelia, I was hoping you could try to answer some of my questions. I'm prescribed 0.25 mg clonazepam as needed (I asked for the lowest dose) but I rarely take it (maybe once every few weeks—haven't taken it in months). The most I've taken in one setting, I believe, is 4 pills so 1mg. I didn't pass out right away and it by no means made me unconscious, just eventually tired and I took a short nap. Do you think it would be wise to take a test run of 3mg crushed to see how quickly it takes effect and the effectiveness of its sedation?
Do you think that dose could actually help me lose consciousness and not feel or be aware of the SN symptoms? Its hard for me to believe that considering how relatively mild clonazepam has felt for me (even though i'm taking a low dose).

Obv I know ur not a doc so dw its still my decision and choice , but if you could just tell me what you would do in this situation considering you have more experience with benzos that would be helpful. Thank you.

just letting you know I saw this. I haven't slept enough atm to properly answer in the way I want. do you mind sending me a convo (not chat) message so I can do so when my brain is working? xx many thanks.

 

[wren-briar]

do you mind sending me a convo (not chat) message so I can do so when my brain is working?

fwiw: Once you're rested, I'd also love to read your thoughts on this matter.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

i'll respond here instead.

Hey ophelia, I was hoping you could try to answer some of my questions. I'm prescribed 0.25 mg clonazepam as needed (I asked for the lowest dose) but I rarely take it (maybe once every few weeks—haven't taken it in months). The most I've taken in one setting, I believe, is 4 pills so 1mg. I didn't pass out right away and it by no means made me unconscious, just eventually tired and I took a short nap. Do you think it would be wise to take a test run of 3mg crushed to see how quickly it takes effect and the effectiveness of its sedation?
Do you think that dose could actually help me lose consciousness and not feel or be aware of the SN symptoms? Its hard for me to believe that considering how relatively mild clonazepam has felt for me (even though i'm taking a low dose).

Obv I know ur not a doc so dw its still my decision and choice , but if you could just tell me what you would do in this situation considering you have more experience with benzos that would be helpful. Thank you.

in theory, testing what it does to your body now vs the last time you did so, would be a good idea. 4 0.25mg is 1mg total. it's less about the amount and more about the timing IMO. as long as you hypothetically know the affects of that dose, you may be able to safely double it to achieve what you speak of, but make sure to time it in your theoretical method so you don't pass out or get loopy before you can finish your protocol. that's generally where things skew towards failure, from what i've seen.

I am not in med, I am not a doctor, everyone's decisions are their own. just merely someone who is familiar with this group of drugs xx