Location to Use SN

[cowie]

If there is another thread that's focused on this topic, let me know and I will bump it instead. I couldn't find one.

My question is about the best place to use SN. I see a lot of people talking about hotels. I presume this is because you don't want your family/friends/roommates to find your body and be distressed, or create a negative reminder of your death by CTBing in a home you share with others.

However, I live alone in an apartment. I'm not sure what I would gain by booking a hotel for a few nights, other than causing less distress for my property manager and instead creating distress for hotel staff. I don't expect to be interrupted in my apartment and think it's more likely someone would knock on the hotel door. I also think I'd be more comfortable at home and not forget anything.

I am planning on leaving a delayed message on where I can be found.
Would I be creating more of a mess for my loved ones (who live hundreds of miles away) by CTBing in my apartment rather than a hotel?

 

[darkwaters]

I'm in a similar boat. The one family member I really have contact with who calls to check in on me lives in another state. If I did it in my apartment, as long as I did it when I have a free weekend there really wouldn't be any chance of anyone discovering me at all possibly for many days unless I sent out a delayed message. I'm lucky that I have that one family member. Otherwise, if I didn't find someway to alert people before I did it with a delayed message, my body would probably not be discovered for weeks or possibly even months. It's pretty pathetic to be so isolated in your early 30s I guess. If that was the case, I would probably just use a hotel, because the thought of my body melting into the floor of my apartment undiscovered if something went wrong with the delayed message is really an awful thing to think about although I do think about it a lot.

At the same time, a hotel sounds kind of nice for some reason probably just because I assume it would be easier to clean up in a hotel versus in someone's private apartment. I'm also assuming that hotels have better protocols for dealing with overdoses and suicides and weird issues with guests that can be handled much more easily and discreetly than in a big apartment building where I currently am. It's tough because, I want to do it in the comfort of my own bed, but at the same time I guess going to a hotel, not only for the above reasons, but also just kind of is a separating myself for my daily life and committing to the act seems good option as well. I'm on the fence about it.

E: I guess another thing to think about is that if you do have loved ones who may want to go through your personal belongings and apartment, if you're planning on using a method that may leave residue around or blood or some indication of a crime scene that it may make them more difficult for them to get to your stuff. It also may be more traumatic for them, if there are obvious indications of a death in the apartment, and they have to come in and go through your belongings. At the same time, it really does seem more comfortable in many ways to just do it in your own bed and familiar surroundings

 

[cowie]

I'm in a similar boat. The one family member I really have contact with who calls to check in on me lives in another state. If I did it in my apartment, as long as I did it when I have a free weekend there really wouldn't be any chance of anyone discovering me at all possibly for many days unless I sent out a delayed message. I'm lucky that I have that one family member. Otherwise, if I didn't find someway to alert people before I did it with a delayed message, my body would probably not be discovered for weeks or possibly even months. It's pretty pathetic to be so isolated in your early 30s I guess. If that was the case, I would probably just use a hotel, because the thought of my body melting into the floor of my apartment undiscovered if something went wrong with the delayed message is really an awful thing to think about although I do think about it a lot.

At the same time, a hotel sounds kind of nice for some reason probably just because I assume it would be easier to clean up in a hotel versus in someone's private apartment. I'm also assuming that hotels have better protocols for dealing with overdoses and suicides and weird issues with guests that can be handled much more easily and discreetly than in a big apartment building where I currently am. It's tough because, I want to do it in the comfort of my own bed, but at the same time I guess going to a hotel, not only for the above reasons, but also just kind of is a separating myself for my daily life and committing to the act seems good option as well. I'm on the fence about it.

E: I guess another thing to think about is that if you do have loved ones who may want to go through your personal belongings and apartment, if you're planning on using a method that may leave residue around or blood or some indication of a crime scene that it may make them more difficult for them to get to your stuff. It also may be more traumatic for them, if there are obvious indications of a death in the apartment, and they have to come in and go through your belongings. At the same time, it really does seem more comfortable in many ways to just do it in your own bed and familiar surroundings

Thank you, these are all good things to think about. My loved ones going through my things in the room I did it in does seem pretty depressing. I will consider a hotel.

 

[makethepainstop]

Most suicide methods require you to schedule when you have space and time alone. Bring discovered before you can get the job done has interfered with many people's plans. The results of failure usually involves being detained in the local jail, or more often a mental institution. In many things failure is not an option!

 

[darkwaters]

Most suicide methods require you to schedule when you have space and time alone. Bring discovered before you can get the job done has interfered with many people's plans. The results of failure usually involves being detained in the local jail, or more often a mental institution. In many things failure is not an option!

That's a good point, I guess it's really up to the individual to decide whether or not their apartment is a risk versus going to a hotel. I've never really been bothered in a hotel before as long as I had to do not disturb sign on my door, but I guess theoretically if you are a serious loner like me, I would be less likely to be found at my apartment versus in a hotel. I think it may also be easier to be rescued at a hotel if you change your mind impulsively, or if you're throwing up, I guess theoretically be heard by your neighbors. Lots to think about.

Anyone here who worked in hospitality before who could maybe shed some light?

 

[cowie]

This is all good discussion. I think I may be placing too much of a burden on my neighbors and the apartment owners, as well my family who will eventually have to empty out my apartment, if I do it in an apartment.

Seriously considering a hotel now, but I could easily see myself getting anxious and chickening out since I'm in a new place. I'm so depressed that adding more steps to CTBing even feels like a burden LOL. I guess its just one last thing to put effort into.

 

[DeadManLiving]

Apartment or hotel are the worst settings. Horrible choices.

Consider the massive inconvenience and burden incumbent upon property's keeper/landlord post mortem with costs of guts cleanup crew involved (which need be paid for by proprietor in US). Burdening neighbors' with noxious lingering stench, haunting gloom effect, traumatizing innocent person(s) whom discover the body (vs acclimated EMS responders), plus the myriad of other costs/foul legacy/headaches/trauma which both neighbors and proprietors will have to bear with. Not to mention the potential risk of a rude awakening being discovered before your lights are out.


Just pack a discreet CTB kit with some comfort items, sleeping bag and tarp as if off to a solo midnight picnic, if you will. Have SN already pre-mixed some brand name water bottle bottle. Crush up and dissolve Benzo/barbiturate/fentanyl into an inconspicuous looking 5-hour energy "killer" shot, pun intended. Roll up a watertight sleeping (body) bag or maybe a picnic tarp and take a hike. Plenty of remote ideal resting spots nearby. If you have the energy and our adventure is enough, why not even catch the train or "the" bus out of state, if you will. If you don't have a car Uber it out, or if you or drive, rent a whip and Park far away in some inconspicuous parking lot at the outskirts of oblivion and hike it out to some remote part of a:

• Junkyard/abandoned yard
• Deep neck of the woods/off-trail forrest
• Abandoned structure/building
• Obscure cementary in the dead of night
• Remote Landfill/Abandoned Quarry
• Under bridge/critical infrastructure (beware of cameras)
• Abandoned alleyway
• Swamp/marsh/park
• Off-grid terrain
• Or wherever you're imagination and Google Maps may lead

Take the benzo / barbiturates first to call him the nerves, then pop a few anenemics + eccentric cap encapsulated opioid RCs so you don't regurgitate them since they'll dissolve past the duodenum in the small intestines. Once you start to feel woozy, BUT quickly just before you black out, gulp down the SN and enjoy your blissful final taste of peace.

Make sure that you have a DNR order in place and the document next to you if worst comes to worst so first responders would be legally barred from recessitation and you have automated delayed emails or texts set and timed to broadcast your freedom to whomever made care to learn, or in the least the coordinates of the location of your body for recovery.

Excuse typos typing from my phone and zero energy will edit tomorrow

 

[cowie]

Thank you. I appreciate your help. Is doing SN in a remote location more common? I agree with you about the haunting gloom for neighbors or hotel people. I still think a random person could find your body even if you do it in an obscure location outside.

 

[DeadManLiving]

Thank you. I appreciate your help. Is doing SN in a remote location more common? I agree with you about the haunting gloom for neighbors or hotel people. I still think a random person could find your body even if you do it in an obscure location outside.

This whole fear and qualm of "being found" is moot, and arises, in part, from a deficient understanding of the legal/medical-ethics mechanics and neglecting to preparing a valid DNR Oder and Advanced Directive prior to CTB. You must recognize that you have constitutional right to refuse medical care. EMS teams are well aware of DNR orders and undergo mandatory training on this subject specifically. Emergency responders who neglect a valid DNR order and proceed with life-sustaining treatment face potential liability and action against their certifications as a consequence. Upon arrival, the first thing they check is your wrists/pockets/wallet for any medical info cards or a DNR wristband. See PS below.

Secondly, what are the chances of being found at 2AM ten miles into an off-trail obscure part of an uninhabited neck of the woods? Go on Google Earth, find a large wooded field with no trails, find its center point and (if paranoid) carry with you a makeshift camouflaged tarp or sleeping bag. Nobody goes off-trail deep into to the woods where there's no trails and nothing to see or do in the dead of night. Except for possibly delinquents to roam around with a joint.

But even then, in that 0.001% chance some delinquents roaming the woods up to no good find your body - they'd fucking run for my life! How could they muster up the courage to call 911, implicating themselves as potential persons of interest over a dead body whilst in possession of a CDS!

Alas, say then in the 0.00001% chance they do, and somehow find it somehow necessary to get involved after finding your body just shy of light's out and they call 911 ...

It'll take a solid half hour to for an ambulance to configure where it's should even park, granted they don't even know the edge of side of the forest is closest to you. Not even an infantry tank would be able get to you direct through the thick of the swamp and trees, let alone a helicopter. So by the time the ambulance parks, they have to send a rescue squad team on foot-trail with dogs and thermal cameras to find you hence.

So how much time would that take for a squad to get to your from the first 911 call? Hours at best.

And if they have a magic phantom squad to get to you from call to body in zero to one: BUMMER! With a DNR wristband and order by your side, they will be nothing they can do, but pronounce the official death and summon the coronor's medical examiner. The law is the law. No EMT would risk their certification violating a DNR order.

This is my plan for January. Waiting for a massive snowstorm state of emergency so I can sneak out a day or two in advance, camp out and shut my lights out.

PS
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Every State has an official Do Not Recussitate form. Once signed by you and your PCP, it becomes and official legal "Order" barring emergency responders from performing any kind of life-support so as long as you present signs of cardiac or respiratory arrest. Note respiratory arrest is not respiratory failure. Respiratory arrest is not failure, but simply sufficiently depressed respiration which would lead to failure. Respiratory arrest may present as chocking on your vomit, gasping for air, labored breathing or whatever respiration de minimus. That is alone a sufficient condition that will bar emergency responders from touching you and permit natural death.

As an element of your DNR instruction directive, you may declare you do not want life-sustaining treatment, or the like withheld or withdrawn, in any of the following situations: (1) you are permanently unconscious, (2) you are in a terminal condition, (3) the life-sustaining treatment would likely only prolong an imminent death, (4) the life-sustaining treatment would likely be ineffective or (5) you have a serious irreversible condition and the life-sustaining treatment would likely be more harmful than beneficial.