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usernamesarehard

usernamesarehard

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Has anyone figured out how to live with untreatable depression? I've been taking medications for months and I'm back to going to therapy, but I'm still severely depressed.

I'm considering ctb because I cant live feeling this way. I always feel lonely. I feel incredibly bored. I don't look forward to anything. I have no hopes or dreams or goals to achieve. I can't feel content. I've tried cbt. It can help in certain situations. I can choose to control my thoughts and feelings to a certain extent.

But I'm still struggling with the boredom that comes with being depressed.
 
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I live and breathe treatment-resistant depression, and the struggle is real... Primarily, I try to focus on acceptance, and it's kind of just pure brute force that gets me through my days...

As far as treatment options and coping techniques, these are some terms you could plug into Google and read up on... I use a combination of this stuff to help me cope as best I can...

This is going to be pretty broad. In reality, you could write entire books on any of these topics, so you could take a cursory look at each of these, pick out one that sounds workable to you, then do a deep-dive on that particular topic as far as learning more about it and how to incorporate it into your daily life.

- Mindfulness to try to stay grounded in the present moment as much as possible. This comes from Dialectical Behavioural Therapy (DBT). DBT is all about treating emotional dysregulation and is definitely something to check out if you're dealing with treatment-resistant depression. Mindfulness is also a part of Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT). ACT is a treatment that takes a values-based approach towards acceptance of difficult emotions and thoughts.

- Gratitude to remind yourself of the little things that are going right in your life (the small things that are easy to take for granted).

- Behavioural Activation which is tantamount to, "Don't feel like doing something? Do it anyway." Forcing yourself to start an activity and giving yourself a reasonable amount of time to 'get into it'. Sometimes just initiating the activity is the hardest step.

- Coping statements to help get you through a rough spot. "Breathe first. Think later." "Not right now, brain." "I've survived this before. I'll survive it again." There's a limitless number of possible short coping statements you could use to repeat to yourself to this end. Pick one or two statements that you literally repeat to yourself over and over to help you get through 'those moments'.

To elaborate on Mindfulness, these are a few techniques (again, you'd want to plug in these terms to Google to learn more about them as I'm just scraping the surface here):

- breathing awareness (focused breathing, slowing down breathing, breathing into your belly instead of your chest)

- progressive muscle relaxation (tense and relax your body, one muscle group at a time)

- body scan for tension relief (lower your tongue from the roof of your mouth, unclench your jaw, soften your gaze, unwrinkle your forehead, let your shoulders down, uncurl your toes, rest your hands in your lap, etc.)

- sensory engagement (the '5-4-3-2-1' technique: what are five things you can see, four things you can touch, three things you can hear, two things you can smell, one thing you can taste, focusing on the immediate environment around you)

Has anyone figured out how to live with untreatable depression?
The CBT in you would have you move away from "untreatable depression" and buy into "treatment-resistant depression" instead. The former, implying "there's nothing to be done." The latter, implying "challenging, but options to keep going."

Distorted thinking patterns: Personally, I feel like 'Discounting the Positive' ("that doesn't count") and 'Mental Filtering' (focusing on perceived negatives while ignoring neutrals or positives) are probably my two biggest depression-related ones. In general, for you or anyone else, this probably depends on the underlying causes of your depression.

But I'm still struggling with the boredom that comes with being depressed.
In depression, "boredom" will be more akin to anhedonia (the loss of interest and motivation). This is a product of low energy, hopelessness, emotional numbness, blunted pleasure/reward response...

It is difficult to target and treat anhedonia as a standalone symptom.

But in doing this, the main approach you'd be looking at is the above-mentioned Behavioural Activation ("just do something").

Another aspect you could look at for this is adding (more?) structure to your day: Establish a routine. Make a plan or a schedule and stick to it. Set small goals for the day and treat yourself for the little things you accomplish this way.

Light therapy can sometimes help with this. Light up your living space as if you've got the sun shining down right on you. ('Daylight' type light being the key.) This can help 'wake you up' and coax a certain level of alertness out of you that makes you more inclined to get moving.

If you find yourself stuck at home and unmotivated about leaving the house, you could try just changing your clothes into something you'd wear for going out. Sometimes, just preparing yourself as if you were going to leave the house can give you that final bit of 'oomph' to get out there and get moving.

This is all easier said than done. Be patient with yourself. This is actually critically important, patience is. It takes practice. A lot of it. Expect setbacks and rough times. Give yourself credit for even the smallest of accomplishments or goals as you try to persevere. One day at a time.
 
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If you're comfortable doing so, have you tried microdosing psilocybin mushrooms or ketamine?
 
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Ya. My union is telling me to relax, get some sleep. People don't understand. I'm on three sleeping pills and none are working. I totally get it.
 
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First: thank you so much for such a detailed answer
- Mindfulness to try to stay grounded in the present moment as much as possible. This comes from Dialectical Behavioural Therapy (DBT). DBT is all about treating emotional dysregulation and is definitely something to check out if you're dealing with treatment-resistant depression. Mindfulness is also a part of Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT). ACT is a treatment that takes a values-based approach towards acceptance of difficult emotions and thoughts.
I actually just had an appointment with my councilor (she's a therapist, but we only have 15 min sessions and it's more to talk about how I'm doing and how my medication is affecting me than to actually work on anything) where she told me about DBT. I'll definitely have to look more into it. I'll also be talking with my therapist about it.
- Gratitude to remind yourself of the little things that are going right in your life (the small things that are easy to take for granted).

- Behavioural Activation which is tantamount to, "Don't feel like doing something? Do it anyway." Forcing yourself to start an activity and giving yourself a reasonable amount of time to 'get into it'. Sometimes just initiating the activity is the hardest step.

- Coping statements to help get you through a rough spot. "Breathe first. Think later." "Not right now, brain." "I've survived this before. I'll survive it again." There's a limitless number of possible short coping statements you could use to repeat to yourself to this end. Pick one or two statements that you literally repeat to yourself over and over to help you get through 'those moments'.
These are all good things to practice and I'll be working on these. I have actually done behavioral activation before to work on school work and some days I use it to get through work.
To elaborate on Mindfulness, these are a few techniques (again, you'd want to plug in these terms to Google to learn more about them as I'm just scraping the surface here):

- breathing awareness (focused breathing, slowing down breathing, breathing into your belly instead of your chest)

- progressive muscle relaxation (tense and relax your body, one muscle group at a time)

- body scan for tension relief (lower your tongue from the roof of your mouth, unclench your jaw, soften your gaze, unwrinkle your forehead, let your shoulders down, uncurl your toes, rest your hands in your lap, etc.)

- sensory engagement (the '5-4-3-2-1' technique: what are five things you can see, four things you can touch, three things you can hear, two things you can smell, one thing you can taste, focusing on the immediate environment around you)
I actually regularly do body scan for tension relief. I noticed a few months ago that I'm always very tense. I regularly intentionally think about unclenching my jaw and relaxing.

I think breathing awareness will also be very helpful for me.
The CBT in you would have you move away from "untreatable depression" and buy into "treatment-resistant depression" instead. The former, implying "there's nothing to be done." The latter, implying "challenging, but options to keep going."
I did actually mean to put treatment-resistant, I just had a brain fart and used untreatable because it's the only word I could think of.

I guess I do think there might be a possibility that my depression can't be 'cured' and I'll never go back to the way things were before I got depressed. I haven't tried all the medications out there, so who knows, but I'm accepting that I might not be able to ever truly 'heal'. I do believe that I can learn better ways to cope with depression (that's a big reason I made this post). For a long time I let myself wallow in the depression and self-pity. I think there is a real possibility of feeling much better than I do now, even if I never 'get rid' of my depression.
In depression, "boredom" will be more akin to anhedonia (the loss of interest and motivation). This is a product of low energy, hopelessness, emotional numbness, blunted pleasure/reward response...

It is difficult to target and treat anhedonia as a standalone symptom.

But in doing this, the main approach you'd be looking at is the above-mentioned Behavioural Activation ("just do something").

Another aspect you could look at for this is adding (more?) structure to your day: Establish a routine. Make a plan or a schedule and stick to it. Set small goals for the day and treat yourself for the little things you accomplish this way.
I did a little googling and I think my main problem (the thing that makes me want to ctb) is feeling numb. I have had low energy for a while now, but taking welbutrin has really helped with the low energy and having more energy has helped with my motivation to do things.

Adding more structure and eating better would probably help to a certain extent. I don't think behavioral activation would help for this issue, but now that I'm aware of exactly what the issue is, I know what to talk about with my therapist, so thanks again.
Light therapy can sometimes help with this. Light up your living space as if you've got the sun shining down right on you. ('Daylight' type light being the key.) This can help 'wake you up' and coax a certain level of alertness out of you that makes you more inclined to get moving.
This might also help, I do have a tendency to have my room be very dark. I like darkness. I have also heard of this and tried it. I think it did have some affect. I'll have to be more consistent with that.
This is all easier said than done. Be patient with yourself. This is actually critically important, patience is. It takes practice. A lot of it. Expect setbacks and rough times. Give yourself credit for even the smallest of accomplishments or goals as you try to persevere. One day at a time.
Yeah, I'm expecting this to be difficult, but just work on taking it one day at a time and try to be consistent, since that's a big thing I struggle with.

Again, thank you so much for such a detailed response. You've given me a lot to think about and research and a lot to talk with my therapist about.
If you're comfortable doing so, have you tried microdosing psilocybin mushrooms or ketamine?
I have thought about doing shrooms. My main issue was/is finding a supplier. I did find a site on the deep-web, so after I figure out how bitcoin works I'll probably try to buy some.

Idk about ketamine, though. My job does random drug tests, so I can't take anything that will stay in my system for too long. I can't remember if they just don't test for it, or if it goes out of your system relatively quickly, but I know a lot of people do shrooms because it's pretty much the only thing you can take without risking your job.
 
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If you ever want to talk about pros/cons for ketamine, I did it recently, so I can talk a bit about it.
 
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Has anyone figured out how to live with untreatable depression? I've been taking medications for months and I'm back to going to therapy, but I'm still severely depressed.

I'm considering ctb because I cant live feeling this way. I always feel lonely. I feel incredibly bored. I don't look forward to anything. I have no hopes or dreams or goals to achieve. I can't feel content. I've tried cbt. It can help in certain situations. I can choose to control my thoughts and feelings to a certain extent.

But I'm still struggling with the boredom that comes with being depressed.
It takes attempts on several antidepressants before it's called treatment resistant depression, but there are so many options, they simply never call it untreatable! May I ask how many antidepressants you've been tried on? It's taken over 10 for me but I think I've finally been put on one that works. It took a while!! But I'm grateful
 

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