Venting Living in late capitalism with a climate crisis about to wipe out the human race is killing me.

[SovietSuicide]

Mark Fisher made the right choice tbh.

Life in it's primitive form is suffering, Capitalism is just extra humiliation on top.

Death to Capitalists.

 

[olearius]

I keep a very close eye on the statistics and this year has been harrowing, next year is projected to be worse. We may be heading into the exponential part of the graph where things will start getting very bad very fast in regards to the climate and the ecosphere in general. There are no brakes on this train.
I look at all the people having babies around me and I wonder if they have any idea what the world has in store for them. Humans are exceptionally intelligent, yet as a whole we behave no different than any other organism, simply using up all available resources until our environment cannot sustain our swollen population. Our fate is sealed as far as I'm concerned.
I do get a certain schadenfreude from watching it unfold and getting to say "I told you so", it even kept me from ctb many times but it's really just a poor cope.

This. Our models for this year didn't account for that volcano, Hunga Tonga, that projected millions of tons of water vapor (greenhouse gas) into the stratosphere and that is one reason this year has been absolutely harrowing for all of us. This has never happened in recorded history. And we, humans, really hadn't prepared for the reality that water vapor being ejected into space over our planet in our climate change calculus.

But that's why humans, as a whole, doing what we've done to the planet sucks.

Models don't account for exceptional never-seen-before events like this. And to be clear I'm not saying climate change caused the eruption. But that now it has magnified our problems immensely and burned a huge portion of the wick of time. And things didn't have to be this way.

I think the scariest part for me is that for a very short period, things will get marginally better, once the sea ice is gone. The ocean will have cooled from the ice melting completely. And all the little climate deniers will collectively go "see!" as things regulate for a bit. And then when the ocean, our heat sink for the whole ass planet, warms right back up forever.. because no more sea ice, it gets very grim. I was hopeful we could turn things around ten years ago. And now I'm thinking the sea ice will be gone very soon in my lifetime if I don't ctb.

Capitalism and climate change are the heavy weights on top the very traumatic life I've had.

So @Teleftaía Anapnoí I definitely relate. It kills me that you're gen Z. As millennial, that hopelessness is so real to me, and I'm just so sorry the world wasn't better for you to inherit. It sounds like you're an incredible parent to your daughter - so I hope you can stick it out for her as long as possible. Because she has to inherit this mess too and I expect she wouldn't want to go it without you.

 

[ctb7767]

Anthropogenic climate change is not real. Full stop. It is a control mechanism for the global elite. They get their mandate from the science industry that they provide the funding for. CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere and human activity represents only 3% of that.

I could potentially agree about the critiques of capitalism depending on how the terms are defined. "Real capitalism has never been tried". What he have is central banking and government spending/deficits (to finance global empire/wars/corporations) run amok.

But thats just like, my opinion.

 

[Namensjemand]

It is a big mystery to me why warmer weather should destroy civilization. Climate change isn't a Roland Emmerich movie... And the earth used to be a lot warmer than it is now while full of life. On top, life always sucked and was full of misery and suffering and chaos and pointless random shit ruining lives in the millions. That is the basic deal of existence. You needed hotter summers to become aware of it?

I am sorry, but for all the reasons on this earth to want to ctb, climate change just always strikes me as an insanely neurotic and nonsensical one, which would not even occur to anyone if it was not for the not so scientific hysteria. And one should understand that science is not a group of people, but a method, and there seem to be substantiel grounds to distrust the methods used. just saying

 

[olearius]

It is a big mystery to me why warmer weather should destroy civilization. Climate change isn't a Roland Emmerich movie... And the earth used to be a lot warmer than it is now while full of life. On top, life always sucked and was full of misery and suffering and chaos and pointless random shit ruining lives in the millions. That is the basic deal of existence. You needed hotter summers to become aware of it?

I am sorry, but for all the reasons on this earth to want to ctb, climate change just always strikes me as an insanely neurotic and nonsensical one, which would not even occur to anyone if it was not for the not so scientific hysteria. And one should understand that science is not a group of people, but a method, and there seem to be substantiel grounds to distrust the methods used. just saying

It's not just warmer weather. It's extreme, "once in a lifetime" weather events (hurricanes, wildfires, etc) multiple times a year. In addition to the loss of the world's most important carbon sink & heat sink - the ocean. Warmer ocean temperatures means it's not habitable for all the creatures that make our planet liveable for us.

The people who don't die from coastal shifts and extreme weather events, or uninhabitable wet bulb temperatures (the temp when the human body can no longer regulate thermal homeostasis) will gradually suffocate because climate change is a positive feedback loop.

Just say you don't understand the scientific method next time.

 

[Teleftaía Anapnoí]

Guys, I really respect all types of opinions. I think it's really cool that this post had so much interesting discussion. But I think some of you don't understand me, or maybe you don't understand exactly the gravity of what is happening. But this is all very new and that's okay. The earth has actually been hotter, this fucking globe was once a ball of fire floating in the void of the universe. The thing is, it has never been hotter while human beings walked the earth. We cannot make a climate assessment from 5,000 years ago, but we can, with the data we have, observe the impact of this increase in temperature. We are not talking about a slightly warmer environment, we are talking about a temperature unsuitable for human life. I found out that in some Brazilian states it was 50 celcius degrees, you know? There were people dying from the heat. Mainly elderly people and children, not to mention animals and homeless people who are not included in the statistics
It's not neurosis when you see your daughter feeling sick from the heat and you can't do anything. But I genuinely understand your thoughts, but I have to say that you are wrong. Seriously, we are not talking about silly changes in the climate, in the last few days rivers have dried up, we have had countless dead marine animals, really cruel scenes and I intend to come here when I have a little more time and show the terrible news that Brazil has had. .

Now about capitalism. I used to be a communist, today mental illness has taken over my head so much that I doubt there is any kind of revolutionary spirit in me alive. I believe the problems are caused by the unbridled accumulation of wealth. I'm a young man, majoring in philosophy, I worked at a school and created teaching material from scratch. I led the creation of humanities material. None of this was enough for me to be relocated to the job market. I've been facing hunger, I don't know if any of you have faced this and I truly hope not, especially with a young daughter. But I really see that there is no future anymore, my old job took everything from me while I saved them. I sued the company, made a settlement and will receive 10 thousand reais in the next few months. This is nothing compared to the amount of profit I generated with my created material, which is close to 3 million. Anyway, the capitalist crisis is there, the climate crisis is there and only those who don't want to see it or those who aren't informed enough don't see it. Again, my country is a tropical country, we have never had extremes in temperature. One day it was 50 degrees in some states and the next day it was 10. Honestly, I don't know what to call this other than a climate crisis.

 

[Miss Anthropy]

Its crazy to me also. This is the zombie apocalypse and all of the zombies are the people that either are too ignorant about the situation to understand whats going on and just go on about their lives like shit isnt hitting the fan, or the ones who DoNt ThInK ClImAtE ChAnGe Is ReAl. Maybe its a good thing that our species goes extinct, the majority of us dont care enough to even try to stop this and the ones who do care enough, theres not enough of. "Earth is dying but did you see that football game?", should be on Earth's tombstone.

 

[Teleftaía Anapnoí]

So @Teleftaía Anapnoí I definitely relate. It kills me that you're gen Z. As millennial, that hopelessness is so real to me, and I'm just so sorry the world wasn't better for you to inherit. It sounds like you're an incredible parent to your daughter - so I hope you can stick it out for her as long as possible. Because she has to inherit this mess too and I expect she wouldn't want to go it without you.

I really appreciate your words, in the last few days I've gotten better and I've managed to put my suicidal ideation aside for a bit. Taking care of my daughter and really enjoying these last moments. I love her so much, but unfortunately I no longer believe in treatment, I think psychology and psychiatry are powerless in the face of the climate crisis. I'm trying to take my wife and daughter to England, at least in a first world country they can try to live a little better than in Brazil. I no longer have hope that I will stay alive any longer, I don't know if I'll make it until next year. It hurts me a lot to know that I won't see my daughter develop and that she will miss me forever. But I'm so tired of existing in an unfair and decadent world. Thank you for your words, you have no idea how good it was to read them. I have insomnia and it eased my heart somehow. Thanks.

 

[olearius]

Guys, I really respect all types of opinions. I think it's really cool that this post had so much interesting discussion. But I think some of you don't understand me, or maybe you don't understand exactly the gravity of what is happening. But this is all very new and that's okay. The earth has actually been hotter, this fucking globe was once a ball of fire floating in the void of the universe. The thing is, it has never been hotter while human beings walked the earth. We cannot make a climate assessment from 5,000 years ago, but we can, with the data we have, observe the impact of this increase in temperature. We are not talking about a slightly warmer environment, we are talking about a temperature unsuitable for human life. I found out that in some Brazilian states it was 50 celcius degrees, you know? There were people dying from the heat. Mainly elderly people and children, not to mention animals and homeless people who are not included in the statistics
It's not neurosis when you see your daughter feeling sick from the heat and you can't do anything. But I genuinely understand your thoughts, but I have to say that you are wrong. Seriously, we are not talking about silly changes in the climate, in the last few days rivers have dried up, we have had countless dead marine animals, really cruel scenes and I intend to come here when I have a little more time and show the terrible news that Brazil has had. .

Now about capitalism. I used to be a communist, today mental illness has taken over my head so much that I doubt there is any kind of revolutionary spirit in me alive. I believe the problems are caused by the unbridled accumulation of wealth. I'm a young man, majoring in philosophy, I worked at a school and created teaching material from scratch. I led the creation of humanities material. None of this was enough for me to be relocated to the job market. I've been facing hunger, I don't know if any of you have faced this and I truly hope not, especially with a young daughter. But I really see that there is no future anymore, my old job took everything from me while I saved them. I sued the company, made a settlement and will receive 10 thousand reais in the next few months. This is nothing compared to the amount of profit I generated with my created material, which is close to 3 million. Anyway, the capitalist crisis is there, the climate crisis is there and only those who don't want to see it or those who aren't informed enough don't see it. Again, my country is a tropical country, we have never had extremes in temperature. One day it was 50 degrees in some states and the next day it was 10. Honestly, I don't know what to call this other than a climate crisis.

This. All of this. In the US this summer, people's shoes were melting and they were being admitted to the hospital with burns from falling and touching hot asphalt.

Sustained wet bulb temperature makes physical labor impossible - which means further rapid deterioration of our survival chances.

I really appreciate your words, in the last few days I've gotten better and I've managed to put my suicidal ideation aside for a bit. Taking care of my daughter and really enjoying these last moments. I love her so much, but unfortunately I no longer believe in treatment, I think psychology and psychiatry are powerless in the face of the climate crisis. I'm trying to take my wife and daughter to England, at least in a first world country they can try to live a little better than in Brazil. I no longer have hope that I will stay alive any longer, I don't know if I'll make it until next year. It hurts me a lot to know that I won't see my daughter develop and that she will miss me forever. But I'm so tired of existing in an unfair and decadent world. Thank you for your words, you have no idea how good it was to read them. I have insomnia and it eased my heart somehow. Thanks.

I'm sorry I can't do more. But I am grateful our mutual understanding and experiences eased your heart for a moment. I understand if you can't stay for your daughter and I respect that.

I can tell by your compassionate approach to people here that the world is better with you, for however long you're able to carry on. And when you're tired and ready to rest, I should hope you are able to do so with ease and comfort.

Just know for now, you're not alone. Your experiences and fears are real and valid.

 

[Teleftaía Anapnoí]

Late stage capitalism is late stage for a reason. You have a daughter to take care of and a revolution to participate in.

North Korea is in the state it's in because of the devastation during the Korean war and then near complete economic isolation leading into the idea and implementation of Juche. You can be a socialist while still believing in the effectiveness of market economics (what you consider capitalism). The word "socialist" purely means that you think the workers should own what they work with instead of the wealthy business owners and investors who get fat off their stolen surplus labour value. There's nothing to lose by looking for information on these topics. There's a treasure trove of short and long YouTube videos and books if that's more your style.

Dude, i am not fluent in english and i cannot express exaclty what i want to say now, but you are awesome. You bring me a little hope, thanks. In a few words you did what my therapist cant lol

 

[TheBlackSwordsman]

The global birthrate has been in a steady decline for decades.

 

[moondazed]

People don't understand that the rate and magnitude of climate change is the problem, not the fact that the climate is changing. Yea, we go through ages. There have been five mass extinctions that we are pretty sure about. One was because the atmosphere was full of too much oxygen, literally plant based climate change (take that vegans) but it happened over millions of years, not a couple hundred.

People who think all scientists are some evil cabal have never actually talked to a real scientist, most of us are just working class people who read a lot and mess with chemicals and graphs. Yeah some scientists are rich af, and yes some scientists are corrupt, but nearly all of us agree that "climate change" is a human made SERIOUS problem.

Not to kill anyone's hopes, which I know there's not much here, but I don't think we're gonna make it. Maybe if we reduce our consumption dramatically soon, we'll mitigate the worst of the damage, but it's already killing people and species. Climate is a slow moving process so the reaction has started to take place. And that's just due to GHGs. Nevermind all the fucking pollution.

The earth will absolutely rebound and life will… find a way. Humans might crawl out of it, which I doubt, but our society absolutely won't.

 

[steppenwolf]

The reason for my suicide can be described in one simple sentence: it is impossible to imagine the end of capitalism.

Yes, indeed, on a global level. Capitalism could even drive a global nuclear war, and the resultant nuclear winter might even halt global warming, but the survivors would learn nothing. Capitalism would continue, and in time an even more scarred and traumatized world than ours would recover, only to repeat all of the exact same mistakes of the pre-nuclear holocaust world, before consuming itself in apocalypse again. And again. And again. 'Boom and bust' economists call it.

But on a personal level, suicide will not achieve the end of capitalism, it will only serve its ongoing progress to the next global apocalypse. But it's not difficult to achieve the end of capitalism on a personal level. You don't even have to surrender all of the things capitalism seduces people with. You only have to stop turning up for work. How difficult you find that to achieve indicates the extent of your conditioning.

 

[Teleftaía Anapnoí]

Yes, indeed, on a global level. Capitalism could even drive a global nuclear war, and the resultant nuclear winter might even halt global warming, but the survivors would learn nothing. Capitalism would continue, and in time an even more scarred and traumatized world than ours would recover, only to repeat all of the exact same mistakes of the pre-nuclear holocaust world, before consuming itself in apocalypse again. And again. And again. 'Boom and bust' economists call it.

But on a personal level, suicide will not achieve the end of capitalism, it will only serve its ongoing progress to the next global apocalypse. But it's not difficult to achieve the end of capitalism on a personal level. You don't even have to surrender all of the things capitalism seduces people with. You only have to stop turning up for work. How difficult you find that to achieve indicates the extent of your conditioning.

To some extent I keep thinking "I'm already dead". I've been unemployed for 5 months and calmly watching the world go to hell. A third war is even more palpable now and the climate crisis is unprecedented in our human history. This all just reinforces for me the need to leave this world. I'm tired of playing this game. Capitalism broke me, gave me a mental illness, I got sick at my last job and awakened my bipolar disorder. On a personal level, I really wanted to end capitalism, but that is only possible with political organization, which I don't see either. In the end, there is no hope. There is a comical but extremely sad capitalist realism.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

It's a fact that we humans have an impact on earth and our actions are changing habitats, nature and climate. But what's the difference whether a meteorite hits us, a supernova explodes in less than 50 light years distance and the radiation vaporizes the atmosphere or we humans destroy our own home? In the vast context of the universe it just doesn't matter.

 

[MBG]

I would not be surprised if some diabolical entity is using the Main Stream Media (MSM) to "talk" people into committing suicide.

The climate is always changing ("ice ages" anyone?), and they may be manipulating it. The economy is directed by the money supply, and they control that.

Make focusing on improving your own life and reality your top priority, above monitoring the chaos of the "news." Otherwise you'll be made depressed, neurotic, psychotic and ultimately suicidal.

 

[Teleftaía Anapnoí]

It's a fact that we humans have an impact on earth and our actions are changing habitats, nature and climate. But what's the difference whether a meteorite hits us, a supernova explodes in less than 50 light years distance and the radiation vaporizes the atmosphere or we humans destroy our own home? In the vast context of the universe it just doesn't matter.

I completely agree, there is no difference at all. The problem is that in one case, we mere monkeys, continue in an unsustainable system that no longer supports life and in the other, well, a ball of massive rock hits us and we are simply finished. It's just too torturous to be a modern slave, to see the world disappearing and not being able to do anything. Hotter every day, etc., etc.

I would not be surprised if some diabolical entity is using the Main Stream Media (MSM) to "talk" people into committing suicide.

The climate is always changing ("ice ages" anyone?), and they may be manipulating it. The economy is directed by the money supply, and they control that.

Make focusing on improving your own life and reality your top priority, above monitoring the chaos of the "news." Otherwise you'll be made depressed, neurotic, psychotic and ultimately suicidal.

I don't know, I think things are just simpler. These guys fucked up the world and now we have to deal with a fucked up world and a shitload of mental illnesses together.

 

[steppenwolf]

To some extent I keep thinking "I'm already dead". I've been unemployed for 5 months and calmly watching the world go to hell. A third war is even more palpable now and the climate crisis is unprecedented in our human history. This all just reinforces for me the need to leave this world. I'm tired of playing this game. Capitalism broke me, gave me a mental illness, I got sick at my last job and awakened my bipolar disorder. On a personal level, I really wanted to end capitalism, but that is only possible with political organization, which I don't see either. In the end, there is no hope. There is a comical but extremely sad capitalist realism.

I've been unemployed for 20 years. And I'm a wreck and my life is a beautiful hopeless ruin. In all that time as throughout the rest of my life, quite alone and with no one to recognize or understand me, I've observed the wars in endless succession, the inroads of market forces into every aspect of life, and the ineluctable erosion of human rights, until now I see that people are even forbidden from discussing the best way to end themselves humanely (which provoked me to become a member of SS). I've studied the atomic weapons that terrorize people into obedience, and the non-existent almighty God which those who wield them claim to be the agents of. And I'm not impressed in the slightest by any of it.

The capitalist system is the disease. It stigmatizes people who recognize it for what it is with psychiatric disorders, invented by academics who are very well paid indeed, to fabricate plausible explanations for people who simply aren't happy, with a system of social organization that is obviously the mortal enemy of our living world in every thought and deed. Because how could anyone possibly be unhappy with such a system, unless they were suffering from some sort of psychiatric disorder? The capitalist system is wonderful isn't it? At least it is in the advertisements. What these poor mentally-deficient people need is menial work for capitalist employers, so that they can afford all of the wonderful things in the advertisements that will make their lives meaningful. But first they need to be beaten into unconsciousness with pharmaceutical drugs, so that they are not troubled by their own disordered thoughts any longer. Best make it illegal for them to have their own thoughts too whilst we're about it, so that the option is there to beat them into unconsciousness with the side-handled baton as well if need be, just to make absolutely sure that they're not troubled by those disordered thoughts of theirs. It's for their own good.

Realistically, the future is not entirely hopeless though. Capitalism obviously cannot survive, and only does so because of this unhappy breed who support it in spite of themselves, if only by submitting to its stigma of 'mental illness'. What capitalism calls 'mental illness' is in fact a natural human response to the capitalism pandemic. It indicates a predisposition towards health, not towards illness. Every case of 'mental illness' is a desperate attempt to discover a mutation from bourgeois capitalist behavioural norms, that will guarantee immunity to capitalism's unacceptable demands upon the individual to participate in the world's destruction. Many will perish from capitalism, but not all. Most will perish directly from capitalism's attempts to destroy our world. Some will destroy themselves rather than succumb to becoming agents of capitalism themselves. A few will become strange mutants who will develop immunity. And still fewer of those strange mutants will survive to pass on their immunity. And so has it always been.

 

[Spiritual survivor]

I don't believe in climate change as an actual threat to the planet. But there are people who push this idea to encourage lower living standard and depopulation. This is just my opinion on this. I'm not saying u are wrong or the suffering being endured from the climate being uncomfortable is not valid though. I agree on the system being hostile to freedom and prosperity for everyone, and that's really all I will say on this. We certainly don't have a free market where there is no middlemen trying to regulate artificially where the resources go or who can access what, or how much, which makes life difficult for many people.

 

[carac]

I don't believe in climate change as an actual threat to the planet. But there are people who push this idea to encourage lower living standard and depopulation. This is just my opinion on this. I'm not saying u are wrong or the suffering being endured from the climate being uncomfortable is not valid though. I agree on the system being hostile to freedom and prosperity for everyone, and that's really all I will say on this. We certainly don't have a free market where there is no middlemen trying to regulate artificially where the resources go or who can access what, or how much, which makes life difficult for many people.

I tend to agree, getting pretty tired of being told I need to cut back on this and pay extra taxes for that by energy guzzling millionaires flying around in private jets. I'm sitting there, not been on a plane in literally over 20 years, never driven a car, I cycle or walk almost everywhere, thinking wtf

 

[Spiritual survivor]

I tend to agree, getting pretty tired of being told I need to cut back on this and pay extra taxes for that by energy guzzling millionaires flying around in private jets. I'm sitting there, not been on a plane in literally over 20 years, never driven a car, I cycle or walk almost everywhere, thinking wtf

Right? Climate change is for the have nots, not the people who control everything.

 

[Teleftaía Anapnoí]

I've been unemployed for 20 years. And I'm a wreck and my life is a beautiful hopeless ruin. In all that time as throughout the rest of my life, quite alone and with no one to recognize or understand me, I've observed the wars in endless succession, the inroads of market forces into every aspect of life, and the ineluctable erosion of human rights, until now I see that people are even forbidden from discussing the best way to end themselves humanely (which provoked me to become a member of SS). I've studied the atomic weapons that terrorize people into obedience, and the non-existent almighty God which those who wield them claim to be the agents of. And I'm not impressed in the slightest by any of it.

The capitalist system is the disease. It stigmatizes people who recognize it for what it is with psychiatric disorders, invented by academics who are very well paid indeed, to fabricate plausible explanations for people who simply aren't happy, with a system of social organization that is obviously the mortal enemy of our living world in every thought and deed. Because how could anyone possibly be unhappy with such a system, unless they were suffering from some sort of psychiatric disorder? The capitalist system is wonderful isn't it? At least it is in the advertisements. What these poor mentally-deficient people need is menial work for capitalist employers, so that they can afford all of the wonderful things in the advertisements that will make their lives meaningful. But first they need to be beaten into unconsciousness with pharmaceutical drugs, so that they are not troubled by their own disordered thoughts any longer. Best make it illegal for them to have their own thoughts too whilst we're about it, so that the option is there to beat them into unconsciousness with the side-handled baton as well if need be, just to make absolutely sure that they're not troubled by those disordered thoughts of theirs. It's for their own good.

Realistically, the future is not entirely hopeless though. Capitalism obviously cannot survive, and only does so because of this unhappy breed who support it in spite of themselves, if only by submitting to its stigma of 'mental illness'. What capitalism calls 'mental illness' is in fact a natural human response to the capitalism pandemic. It indicates a predisposition towards health, not towards illness. Every case of 'mental illness' is a desperate attempt to discover a mutation from bourgeois capitalist behavioural norms, that will guarantee immunity to capitalism's unacceptable demands upon the individual to participate in the world's destruction. Many will perish from capitalism, but not all. Most will perish directly from capitalism's attempts to destroy our world. Some will destroy themselves rather than succumb to becoming agents of capitalism themselves. A few will become strange mutants who will develop immunity. And still fewer of those strange mutants will survive to pass on their immunity. And so has it always been.

Very nice view about all this situation going on in the world. Thanks for the hope, i appreciate.

Right? Climate change is for the have nots, not the people who control everything.

Of course, for them there is Mars or any other stupid planet to destroy after the destruction of earth.

I don't believe in climate change as an actual threat to the planet. But there are people who push this idea to encourage lower living standard and depopulation. This is just my opinion on this. I'm not saying u are wrong or the suffering being endured from the climate being uncomfortable is not valid though. I agree on the system being hostile to freedom and prosperity for everyone, and that's really all I will say on this. We certainly don't have a free market where there is no middlemen trying to regulate artificially where the resources go or who can access what, or how much, which makes life difficult for many people.

I dont think the climate change will destroy the world. Gaia is though, lol. I am just very sad about living in a decadent society wich seens there is no future for us, u know? But yeap, the idea of lowering living standard is very real.

 

[moondazed]

I don't believe in climate change as an actual threat to the planet. But there are people who push this idea to encourage lower living standard and depopulation. This is just my opinion on this. I'm not saying u are wrong or the suffering being endured from the climate being uncomfortable is not valid though. I agree on the system being hostile to freedom and prosperity for everyone, and that's really all I will say on this. We certainly don't have a free market where there is no middlemen trying to regulate artificially where the resources go or who can access what, or how much, which makes life difficult for many people.

I'm curious, do you think that we have infinite resources so much to the point that everyone living can live with unbridled consumption? The "haves" do, and will, until idk, we eat them?

I know when people push the idea we have to lower our standard of living, especially as someone with low standards of living already, makes us feel sick. I grew up poor, but now I have *some* money as an adult, so feel the same feeling. And I'm a scientist who studied ecology extensively.

But, if we care about this planet, more importantly the life and people on it, should we not critically evaluate how human society is living? Do all the electronics and cars and fancy clothes really make us happy? Is living closer as a community opposed to individual consumers really that bad? What if we could really change how we live, and save the current paradigm of life? If we don't, no matter how much you don't believe, our way of life will destroy most life on this planet.

 

[Navi]

The future is just so uncertain it doesn't even feel worth trying to push forward. I feel bad for newer generations that are also gonna be subjected to this shit.

 

[Teleftaía Anapnoí]

I'm curious, do you think that we have infinite resources so much to the point that everyone living can live with unbridled consumption? The "haves" do, and will, until idk, we eat them?

I know when people push the idea we have to lower our standard of living, especially as someone with low standards of living already, makes us feel sick. I grew up poor, but now I have *some* money as an adult, so feel the same feeling. And I'm a scientist who studied ecology extensively.

But, if we care about this planet, more importantly the life and people on it, should we not critically evaluate how human society is living? Do all the electronics and cars and fancy clothes really make us happy? Is living closer as a community opposed to individual consumers really that bad? What if we could really change how we live, and save the current paradigm of life? If we don't, no matter how much you don't believe, our way of life will destroy most life on this planet.

In fact, at least in Brazil we can produce food to sustain the entire country, but in the interest of making a profit in dollars, the agricultural industry prefers to export our best products abroad, while in Brazil we die of hunger. Material goods are not infinite, but they are also very poorly distributed and that is the problem. Ultimately I want to kill myself because of this. But I believe that perhaps you may have misinterpreted the young man's comment. The point is more that global warming will not necessarily destroy the world, just our way of life and possibly us as a species.

The future is just so uncertain it doesn't even feel worth trying to push forward. I feel bad for newer generations that are also gonna be subjected to this shit.

Yeah, totally agree

 

[Spiritual survivor]

I'm curious, do you think that we have infinite resources so much to the point that everyone living can live with unbridled consumption? The "haves" do, and will, until idk, we eat them?

I know when people push the idea we have to lower our standard of living, especially as someone with low standards of living already, makes us feel sick. I grew up poor, but now I have *some* money as an adult, so feel the same feeling. And I'm a scientist who studied ecology extensively.

But, if we care about this planet, more importantly the life and people on it, should we not critically evaluate how human society is living? Do all the electronics and cars and fancy clothes really make us happy? Is living closer as a community opposed to individual consumers really that bad? What if we could really change how we live, and save the current paradigm of life? If we don't, no matter how much you don't believe, our way of life will destroy most life on this planet.

The earth actually has plenty of resources trust me. The problem is that the very wealthy people do not want to share the planet and land, hell they are even taking away the right for people to own even a tiny plot of land and home they can't be kicked out of. We are not overpopulated, if anything there's not enough people in certain areas. You actually need a lot of people to have an economy, but also people who are able to create things, solve problems, and uplift the standard of living for everyone as well. Certain demographics who have traditionally built prosperous civilizations are not having enough kids which could hurt everyone besides the very wealthy. The wealthy elite have even stated the goals for our future. U will own nothing and be happy. Unfortunately that won't work because it goes against human nature. People need to own property and keep the fruits of their labor. The very wealthy want to permanently enslave humanity so that they never have to worry about losing power over us, or competitors to themselves, being overthrown, and so they can treat us like disposable cogs that exist only to serve them who can never rebel against them.

 

[moondazed]

The earth actually has plenty of resources trust me. The problem is that the very wealthy people do not want to share the planet and land, hell they are even taking away the right for people to own even a tiny plot of land and home they can't be kicked out of. We are not overpopulated, if anything there's not enough people in certain areas. You actually need a lot of people to have an economy, but also people who are able to create things, solve problems, and uplift the standard of living for everyone as well. Certain demographics who have traditionally built prosperous civilizations are not having enough kids which could hurt everyone besides the very wealthy. The wealthy elite have even stated the goals for our future. U will own nothing and be happy. Unfortunately that won't work because it goes against human nature. People need to own property and keep the fruits of their labor. The very wealthy want to permanently enslave humanity so that they never have to worry about losing power over us, or competitors to themselves, being overthrown, and so they can treat us like disposable cogs that exist only to serve them who can never rebel against them.

It takes many rare earth metals to create our tech, and to make them affordable to the general population of people in advanced societies, people are essentially enslaved to mine and process those metals. Then we have the insane amount of personal cars and oil consumption along with the use of water and other materials to create our various other products. I suggest watching this video to get an understanding of how the stuff we consume is not sustainable.



Pollution as well, in nearly all industries using very harsh chemicals and wasting them into the sea. The garbage patch in the ocean, the mountains of old clothing that gets sent to countries like Haiti, and the erasure of culture in other countries like Bangladesh for industrial agriculture. It's all a hellscape, and it's due to capitalism and the consumptive addiction of modern man.

It's not just powerful people vying for control, and while that's a big issue too, it's all around not looking good for us.

You don't have to believe me, but I am a certified scientist and spent most of my undergraduate years studying sustainability and ecology. We simply cannot continue living the way we live.

 

[Spiritual survivor]

It takes many rare earth metals to create our tech, and to make them affordable to the general population of people in advanced societies, people are essentially enslaved to mine and process those metals. Then we have the insane amount of personal cars and oil consumption along with the use of water and other materials to create our various other products. I suggest watching this video to get an understanding of how the stuff we consume is not sustainable.



Pollution as well, in nearly all industries using very harsh chemicals and wasting them into the sea. The garbage patch in the ocean, the mountains of old clothing that gets sent to countries like Haiti, and the erasure of culture in other countries like Bangladesh for industrial agriculture. It's all a hellscape, and it's due to capitalism and the consumptive addiction of modern man.

It's not just powerful people vying for control, and while that's a big issue too, it's all around not looking good for us.

You don't have to believe me, but I am a certified scientist and spent most of my undergraduate years studying sustainability and ecology. We simply cannot continue living the way we live.

U were indoctrinated in a gov institution such as university? That pretty much says to me that u were miseducated because the state controlled institutions serve the interests of the wealthy powerful so u won't be taught all objective reality and truth in there.

 

[moondazed]

U were indoctrinated in a gov institution such as university? That pretty much says to me that u were miseducated because the state controlled institutions serve the interests of the wealthy powerful so u won't be taught all objective reality and truth in there.

Yeah, that's what my stepdad said too. It's okay, I understand where you're coming from, and I won't preach to ya.

But, in my defense, I am a critical thinker. I need to be to actually do good work as a scientist. Scientists don't take what other scientists say as truth. We heavily criticize each other and our findings. We think of things as systems that work within the physical nature of reality, how materials move through these systems and how they effect outcomes. You can't just learn the laws of physics, chemistry, or molecular biology by reading stuff on the internet. You do experiments, collect and analyze data, and come to conclusions based on a rigorous process. It is a little insulting to call me indoctrinated but, like I said, it's okay and I understand why you think the way you do.

 

[Teleftaía Anapnoí]

It takes many rare earth metals to create our tech, and to make them affordable to the general population of people in advanced societies, people are essentially enslaved to mine and process those metals. Then we have the insane amount of personal cars and oil consumption along with the use of water and other materials to create our various other products. I suggest watching this video to get an understanding of how the stuff we consume is not sustainable.



Pollution as well, in nearly all industries using very harsh chemicals and wasting them into the sea. The garbage patch in the ocean, the mountains of old clothing that gets sent to countries like Haiti, and the erasure of culture in other countries like Bangladesh for industrial agriculture. It's all a hellscape, and it's due to capitalism and the consumptive addiction of modern man.

It's not just powerful people vying for control, and while that's a big issue too, it's all around not looking good for us.

You don't have to believe me, but I am a certified scientist and spent most of my undergraduate years studying sustainability and ecology. We simply cannot continue living the way we live.

Yeap, you are right. Or we make revolution or we will gonna die soon. Dont get it why you guys are arguing.