GarbageFactory

GarbageFactory

Softboy™
Feb 10, 2021
11
Recently the question of whether or not it's possible for someone to carry out a fatal act without any fear or panic has been one of the main reasons for my hesitation. I'm no neuroscientist, but I've been doing some research -- and I'll give you a brief summary of what I've found.

Benjamin Libet was a pioneering scientist in the field of human consciousness. A researcher in the physiology department of the University of California, San Francisco. In 2003, he was the first recipient of the Virtual Nobel Prize in Psychology from the University of Klagenfurt, "for his pioneering achievements in the experimental investigation of consciousness, initiation of action, and free will"

His most important contribution was the discovery of a brief delay between the neurological initiation of an action, and then the perceived feeling of having committed to the action. Generally under 10ms, which is about how quickly synaptic feedback is able to relay information to all relevant parts of the central nervous system. Besides providing more potential evidence for the non-existence of free will, libet's delay proves that consciousness is a very fragile framework of input and feedback. Woven together delicately by thousands of independently functional parts of the brain, and carefully curated to include only the most relevant information. Theoretically, there is a period of time after the neurological initiation, and commitment to the action whereby the individual is given the illusion that they consciously chose to carry through. While in reality, libet's experiment would suggest that the brain had already determined what actions to take far before the "conscious" mind has even been made fully aware. Think about it. While you're typing, are you really thinking about what words come next? Are you really aware of how each of your fingers move? Your eyes blinking? Your breathing?

I wonder if there is a way to manipulate this to override self-preservation...
 
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GenesAndEnvironment

GenesAndEnvironment

Autistic loser
Jan 26, 2021
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100% method-dependent. Almost anyone could pull a trigger or climb into a sarco whilst feeling completely calm. Any methods involving "lethal pain" (exsanguination, hanging, etc) will make SI (fear and panic) kick in unless we attain nirvana or some shit. So it becomes more of a battle against the SI rather than outwitting it when using these less preferred options of death.
 
JustAMatterOfTime

JustAMatterOfTime

Fragile
Mar 21, 2021
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Great now I am manually breathing and blinking.
 
hahabye

hahabye

always say never
Sep 14, 2019
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I haven't read any of his papers, but I think it is important to keep in mind that there are many factors that lead us to making decisions/performing certain actions (as broadly discussed by R. Sapolsky in "Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst"). And while it does not object Libet's disproof of free will, in my opinion, it makes the 10ms interval before you realise what concrete action has been made less important. And so I think the way to minimise self-preservation is more related to what happens in our lives and bodies/brains years to seconds before the action rather than to that small interval of "unconsciousness".
 
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whitefeather

Thank the gods for Death
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I haven't read any of his papers, but I think it is important to keep in mind that there are many factors that lead us to making decisions/performing certain actions (as broadly discussed by R. Sapolsky in "Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst"). And while it does not object Libet's disproof of free will, in my opinion, it makes the 10ms interval before you realise what concrete action has been made less important. And so I think the way to minimise self-preservation is more related to what happens in our lives and bodies/brains years to seconds before the action rather than to that small interval of "unconsciousness".
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Argo

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May 19, 2018
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I wonder if there is a way to manipulate this to override self-preservation...

Any manipulation would itself be the same process. If anyone dies, it's because ultimately that's where the trajectory of their life was heading, and not because of some magic self-determination. You still have to try if you intend to get anything done in life, ctb or otherwise. It's not like the fact that everything is determined by causes outside of our control changes much about how we behave. It's liberating if anything, because negative emotions like shame, blame, resentment, guilt, hatred, all go away if one fully embraces the facts and gives up fictional stories.
 

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