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Talvikki

Talvikki

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Lawmakers in the United States are seeking to make online assistance of suicide a federal crime, pushing to hold accountable both individual users and the tech companies and websites that allow such content on their platforms.


 
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willitpass

willitpass

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what go they qualify as assisting suicide (i don't have an account so i can't read it). would just being a user on the site put us in danger or would we have to actually give people tips on how to ctb
 
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Finding Sirius

Finding Sirius

The brightest lights cast the darkest shadows
Aug 16, 2022
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Making criminals out of people who want to end their pain. Such a "loving" thing for pro-lifers to do. Are they going to criminalize suicide while they're at it?
 
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Smart No More

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Can't help wondering if the bill would make it possible to prosecute posthumously.
what go they qualify as assisting suicide (i don't have an account so i can't read it). would just being a user on the site put us in danger or would we have to actually give people tips on how to ctb
I couldn't either. I managed to find the same article on another site. Hopefully it's all there.

Here you go....

 
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Cathy Ames

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what go they qualify as assisting suicide (i don't have an account so i can't read it). would just being a user on the site put us in danger or would we have to actually give people tips on how to ctb
Here is a "gift link" that will let you read it for free.

 
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Maudlin

Maudlin

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Dec 10, 2021
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what go they qualify as assisting suicide (i don't have an account so i can't read it). would just being a user on the site put us in danger or would we have to actually give people tips on how to ctb
"(a) In general.—Whoever uses mail or interstate communication to intentionally assist another individual in taking that individual's own life, and death results, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

"(1) ASSIST.—The term 'assist' means, with respect to a person assisting another individual in taking that individual's own life, that—
"(A) the person specifically aims to facilitate the individual's suicide; and

"(B) the person furnishes the individual with substantial material support to facilitate the suicide, or with substantial communication facilitating the suicide at the same time as an attempt or act of suicide is occurring.

"(2) MATERIAL SUPPORT.—The term 'material support' means any tangible property.".

The clock is ticking.

"substantial communication" means whatever they want it to mean.

If this passes, they will make examples of some people here.

"material support" cases will stick, "substantial communications" likely won't make it past the Supreme Court, unless it's particularly egregious. Of course, the Supremes have to agree to hear it, and by the time they do you've already done 4 1/2 of the 5 years they gave you for it.

This SUCKS.

Pray it doesn't pass the House, or Senate. I don't care if you're an atheist, pray to something.
 
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nootthenoot

nootthenoot

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I have a bad feeling that this was brought about because of the attention SS got a while back....
 
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Mthom2

Student
Oct 19, 2020
156
Work, slaves, work!

They basically want it to where once born, society (and greater commercialism) owns you. What a load of crap. And people just keep squeezing out more and more offspring to continue fueling the machine.

Sorry, this sort of thing really gets under my skin.
 
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Maudlin

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Dec 10, 2021
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I have a bad feeling that this was brought about because of the attention SS got a while back....
That, and all the kids that have been dropping like flies from their "vaccinations".
I swear I read something about kids who "died suddenly" at least a dozen times per week. This clownworld is turning hellish, and parents are getting pissed.

They need a scapegoat, and this place is an easy mark.
 
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ever so lonely

ever so lonely

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Apr 17, 2022
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there just such uncaring arseholes, honestly, they simply cannot fathom and never will our point of view, that some of us have had our share of this shitshow, had our fill and then some, so to speak, i have been dilly dallying with suicide, for a while, but already have my sn, had it for a fair bit now, and plan to just get it over with this week, i just have a few things to finalise, these law makers will never understand, what a paradox we live in, these same people have no qualms about making life the hell hole it is for many of us here, and yet on the same token when we say fuck it and opt out in our droves as many are, or try to, emphasis on *try* they have to look at ways of curbing this favourable so as to altar the statistics, make it seem better than it is, to make themselves seem politically astute, ahhhhhh look at this political party under our government the suicide rates have dropped, pat on the back rinse and continue, as costs of living skyrocket and energy prices rise to the highest rates they have ever been, how about no you numb cunt, it is just people have been deprived of there methods altogether, and often have to resort to the most godawful brutal ways, or there methods have been restricted, so access is an issue, then they have the audacity to ask why are you still here ?, fucking infuriating honestly, but not surprising in the slightest anymore, i have had my time here personally, and just want to get it over with, you know when your sick and tired of re running the same old tune, i have said i can continue talking about it or make another go of it, ie kill myself, this really pisses me off for others tho, who may not have there method in place yet, or unlike me may not have had the forethought or the funds when it comes down to it, to be able to invest in sn.
 
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GasMonkey

GasMonkey

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May 15, 2022
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What if the site is hosted outside the US, with users outside the US? :-)
 
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Maudlin

Maudlin

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Dec 10, 2021
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What if the site is hosted outside the US, with users outside the US? :-)
That's the obvious answer for the site, but there are many users in the US.

Who even knows if it will pass?

It's worth keeping an eye on this legislation.

The whole thing just bugs me. If it passes, it's going to turn into much more than what it looks like on its' face. Serious first amendment issues, website protection issues, draconian laws on even more chemicals...

Authoritarian bastards.
 
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Pisceslilith

Pisceslilith

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Aug 19, 2019
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They're doing everything else but making life "worth" living 🙄.
 
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Cathy Ames

Cathy Ames

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I guess Minnesota already has (or had) a thing like that. When they tried to use it, it turned out that part of it was unconstitutional, but they were still able to give the guy some jail time.

 
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TheManIllNeverBe

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Aug 3, 2022
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That's the obvious answer for the site, but there are many users in the US.
That's why things like VPNs and Tor exist. Honestly, people should be using those even today to access this site, if they value their privacy.
 
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The Final Solution

The Final Solution

Liberty is as close as your wrists.
Apr 5, 2022
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Usual, expected bullshit. Time to move the site servers to Zimbabwe or something. Am*rican users will have to learn to use a VPN.


Always remember, folks: suicide is destruction of government property!
 
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PurpleMonkey

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May 3, 2018
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"(B) the person furnishes the individual with substantial material support to facilitate the suicide, or with substantial communication facilitating the suicide at the same time as an attempt or act of suicide is occurring.
First Amendment doesn't exist anymore. Don't tell me otherwise.
 
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Scythe

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Sep 5, 2022
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Can we just make suicide punishable by death again? Please?
 
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Hirokami

Hirokami

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Feb 21, 2021
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Can't say I'm surprised, honestly. I remember a while back another bill was drafted to specifically get rid of this site, though I don't think it went anywhere. These lawmakers don't care about preventing suicide, either way, though. They just want us to shut up about it. If they don't hear about it, then it's no longer a problem for them. Then, we could either chin up and live as husks or we could off ourselves gruesomely. Depending on how you look at it, either is beneficial for them.
 
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Kyrok

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Nov 6, 2018
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The bill is very narrow. It only criminalizes real-time concrete assistance.

For example, if someone says "hey, I'm about to ctb, but I'm having trouble tying my noose correctly, can someone explain how to do it right?". If you give concrete help in real time with an actual ctb attempt, only there does it apply.

Odds are, though, it won't become law. 99% of bills die. Most don't get out of committee even.
 
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Maudlin

Maudlin

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Dec 10, 2021
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The bill is very narrow. It only criminalizes real-time concrete assistance.

For example, if someone says "hey, I'm about to ctb, but I'm having trouble tying my noose correctly, can someone explain how to do it right?". If you give concrete help in real time with an actual ctb attempt, only there does it apply.

Odds are, though, it won't become law. 99% of bills die. Most don't get out of committee even.
I'm not sure this is true. As I said in an earlier post, "substantial communication" means whatever they want it to mean."

Whatever it means, it's not likely to pass Supreme Court muster... provided the Supreme court will even hear it.

I think you're right, though... this bill will die. I hope so, anyway.

In this clown world, I've been seeing one "impossible" thing after another happen... so, who knows?
 
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makethepainstop

makethepainstop

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Sep 16, 2022
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Can we just make suicide punishable by death again? Please?
Ok, and to test the new anti suicide law, I shall go first! If they did make such a law.😀
 
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Goghaway

Goghaway

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Aug 20, 2020
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Yes, I read this article yesterday in the NYTimes and it made me so angry...(of course they are so scared of the debate that they closed it to comments!)...if they only spent as much energy and effort into legislation for legal euthanasia and giving us some dignity instead of criminalizing people using their free will. I understand that there are families that are grieving, but I think it is seriously misdirected. This site did not cause their loved ones to die, they used free will and their loved ones need to accept that and let go. They didn't want to be alive anymore so they came here, to the one safe place there is to talk freely without judgement amongst like-minded people, for community and maybe guidance, maybe help, maybe encouragement. Whatever the reason, I believe that people have the right -no matter their state of mind or health- to end their own life. And I think it's a shame that we are forced to figure these things out for ourselves in secret, without our loved ones, forced to die in awful ways which traumatize others...it's just awful. Instead of getting on board the Death with Dignity movement, they are punishing those who helped the suicided end their pain? And yet they claim they are not criminalizing suicide. This is ridiculous. And how will this work? Lol. Pretty much everyone here is here to ctb. If they try to subpoena our info and prosecute some of us... wouldn't we just ctb? Lol what dumbasses!
 
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willitpass

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Yes, I read this article yesterday in the NYTimes and it made me so angry...(of course they are so scared of the debate that they closed it to comments!)...if they only spent as much energy and effort into legislation for legal euthanasia and giving us some dignity instead of criminalizing people using their free will. I understand that there are families that are grieving, but I think it is seriously misdirected. This site did not cause their loved ones to die, they used free will and their loved ones need to accept that and let go. They didn't want to be alive anymore so they came here, to the one safe place there is to talk freely without judgement amongst like-minded people, for community and maybe guidance, maybe help, maybe encouragement. Whatever the reason, I believe that people have the right -no matter their state of mind or health- to end their own life. And I think it's a shame that we are forced to figure these things out for ourselves in secret, without our loved ones, forced to die in awful ways which traumatize others...it's just awful. Instead of getting on board the Death with Dignity movement, they are punishing those who helped the suicided end their pain? And yet they claim they are not criminalizing suicide. This is ridiculous. And how will this work? Lol. Pretty much everyone here is here to ctb. If they try to subpoena our info and prosecute some of us... wouldn't we just ctb? Lol what dumbasses!
exactly. i try my best to be careful about sharing information with people about ctb bc i don't want to end up in any legal trouble and my morals still don't let me feel right about it, but if i ever did get in trouble i would just off myself anyway. so they really would be getting a 2-for-1 deal out of it
 
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Lawliet

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Sep 15, 2020
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bills take awhile to pass. in the meantime, invest in a VPN and make sure to download the guide you need, or copy and paste the relevant information just in case. it is better to be safe than sorry

i do once again suggest making this forum private, or at least inaccessible for anyone without a log in
 
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TAW122

TAW122

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Aug 30, 2018
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What these lawmakers are doing are not only disingenuous and in bad faith, but also like @Maudlin said, there are serious first amendment, website protection issues, and even more restrictions on various chemicals, making this bill an infringement on our rights.

@Scythe I would not mind that and in fact, that would be the biggest irony, to finish the task that the person failed. On a more serious note though, there are some problems with that and they are: impulsive suicides, if someone attempts to CTB impulsively (and they may not have truly wanted to CTB), then fails, then regrets their decision, they would then be put to death. Also, another problem with making suicide punishable by death is when someone who is pressured into CTB would then be put to death when they may not wish to die.


The bill is very narrow. It only criminalizes real-time concrete assistance.

For example, if someone says "hey, I'm about to ctb, but I'm having trouble tying my noose correctly, can someone explain how to do it right?". If you give concrete help in real time with an actual ctb attempt, only there does it apply.

Odds are, though, it won't become law. 99% of bills die. Most don't get out of committee even.
I hope you are correct on this. I would definitely wish for the bill to die and not advance. We already have many of our existing freedoms diminished, threatened, and even put into jeopardy. We don't need anything else to further erode what is left of not only our speech, autonomy, and whatever rights we have now. In the example you provided, yes, that would be a clear cut example of aiding and assisting, though IANAL and I can't say how the courts or legal experts will see it though. Also, another thing (referring to your example) is that if the witness isn't a mandated reporter I don't believe they are legally obligated to 'report' it.
Can't say I'm surprised, honestly. I remember a while back another bill was drafted to specifically get rid of this site, though I don't think it went anywhere. These lawmakers don't care about preventing suicide, either way, though. They just want us to shut up about it. If they don't hear about it, then it's no longer a problem for them. Then, we could either chin up and live as husks or we could off ourselves gruesomely. Depending on how you look at it, either is beneficial for them.
I don't think they even want us to go gruesomely as when there is an actual successful (or even near successful) CTB, these prolifers come out in droves and advocate for more resources, more surveillance, and additional restrictions on means that could result in a reliable death. In short, it seems like they just want to force life on everyone regardless of the individual's wishes, and dictate when, where, and how one dies.
 
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Alcoholic Teletubby

Alcoholic Teletubby

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Jan 10, 2022
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This moral compass policing is getting out of hand.
 
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makethepainstop

makethepainstop

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This moral compass policing is getting out of hand.
It would serve those pro-life idiots right if someone here who loves the freedom this site offers, were to find out who sponsored this damn bill. Then go from being merely suicidal to being both suicidal as well as HOMICIDAL! If you wanna see a bunch of pro-life retards get scared, that would do it. Most times those asses would be congratulating themselves for stopping suicides, and there are no repercussions. Let one of them get capped for their interference and see then what they think about being life savers. They didn't stop suicides, they stopped people from getting the relief they need and deserve. So if someone who is already suicidal were to exact a price for their meddling, you can bet they would slither back into their swamp. I have always hated people who want to dictate to others how they should live.
 
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Traveler VII

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Most interesting...

Though such a law would certainly seem to contravene the basic principles of the First Amendment, the very fact that it is being considered is unsurprising and somewhat disheartening.

That said, if someone is legally viewed as being of eligible age to engage in certain deleterious vices and state-sanctioned lethal violence (ages 18 and 21 in the U.S.), then there should be at least some consideration for the private, painless and peaceful exit of rational, thoroughly self-determined adult individuals.

Not necessarily state-facilitated, but never state-obstructed.
 
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The last time there was an uproar like this, I panic-bought N from D which I still have here. With my current recovery attempt making very dubious progress, I suspect that if I lose my only source of real support on this site, that would probably be enough to push me over the edge. Thus, hopefully these lawmakers would be imprisoned for causing my suicide.
 
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