Landlords are terrible people

[summers]

Can anyone justify this capitalist madness?

There is no justification for it. Investment in residential real estate is one of the main (if the the biggest) reasons for socioeconomic inequality in society. It honestly needs to be banned.

 

[OceanBlue]

It is nothing and it continued to be nothing in the later decades, my both grandmas had children in the 60s and said they had no maternity leave. You'd be taxed if you were child-free and after having a kid, you'd be forced back into labor almost immediately - the kids often ended up in week-long care if there was no extended family to help. And you're arguing in favour? Goodbye, tankie.

 

[WoAiGou]

lmao buh bye

I love how this debate started about housing, which you can't even refute the USSR did an amazing job housing it's citizens. And turned into your weird criticisms of a countries natalist policies 70 years ago following losing 40 million people in WW2. All while under imperialist siege. You're an idealist.

 

[OceanBlue]

An american argued with a person living in Cuba, argued with a person from former USSR in favour of control, exploitation, and oppression as long as there are basic amenities (conditional to how much you submit to the government). You can't make this up, tankies are something else.

 

[stellabelle]

My god, these leeches, these fucking parasites. I recently had to move for work, and this new apartment is causing me so much grief. All because this landleech is so lazy, he makes me look like a productive member of society. Why are landlords still a thing? Can anyone justify this capitalist madness?

Tenants can be garbage too *shrug*
-garbage tenant

 

[WoAiGou]

An american argued with a person living in Cuba, argued with a person from former USSR in favour of control, exploitation, and oppression as long as there are basic amenities (conditional to how much you submit to the government). You can't make this up, tankies are something else.

Lmao because anecdotes are everything!

 

[OceanBlue]

I didn't even mention violent takeovers, genocides, ethnic cleansing, exiled people. Homeless people were often removed from larger cities so they weren't visible. Homeless children were sent to so called colonies that were 'educational' only on paper and were often used for forced labour and incarcerated. Anecdotes? The thing that you did not even know whether what I said was true or not tells me you're not educated on the subject at all.

 

[WoAiGou]

I didn't even mention violent takeovers, genocides, ethnic cleansing, exiled people. Homeless people were often removed from larger cities so they weren't visible. Homeless children were sent to so called colonies that were 'educational' only on paper and were often used for forced labour and incarcerated. Anecdotes? The thing that you did not even know whether what I said was true or not tells me you're not educated on the subject at all.

And compared with what they were prior to their revolutions? You people are ridiculous, you call me privileged yet you judge societies as if they exist in a vacuum. Read the book or keep being a phony socialist.

 

[OceanBlue]

And compared with what they were prior to their revolutions? You people are ridiculous, you call me privileged yet you judge societies as if they exist in a vacuum. Read the book or keep being a phony socialist.

Why do you resort to a fallacy when the info does not fit your narrative?

Also, you do realise that countries were occupied by Russia, right? The occupying government wanted teritory, power, and expansion and did what they needed to to maintain the human capital (workforce). It's absurd to suggest that anything the occupant ever did was for the actual benefit of the people it occupied or that it cared about their well-being. To the very end the Russians did not want to withdraw and lose that teritory, even killed independence activists on exit. You probably think you're a leftie, but what you support is fascism, only called differently.

 

[WoAiGou]

Why do you resort to a fallacy when the info does not fit your narrative?

Also, you do realise that countries were occupied by Russia, right? The occupying government wanted teritory, power, and expansion and did what they needed to to maintain the human capital (workforce). It's absurd to suggest that anything the occupant ever did was for the actual benefit of the people it occupied or that it cared about their well-being. To the very end the Russians did not want to withdraw and lose that teritory, even killed independence activists on exit. You probably think you're a leftie, but what you support is fascism, only called differently.

You really don't understand the state of Europe post WW2. Ah yes Marxism Leninism = fascism, you realize the majority of socialists not in the west are Marxist Leninist?

 

[OceanBlue]

You're trolling at this point b/c the person who knows the least about how things were/are 'not in the west' is you here.

Actually, you had a chance to engage in a productive conversation with a person who lives in Cuba and knows what life is like there and you totally blew it.

M-L is neither Communism nor socialism; if you had to live under these oppressions, your western arrogance would wane fast.

 

[WoAiGou]

You're trolling at this point b/c the person who knows the least about how things were/are 'not in the west' is you here.

Actually, you had a chance to engage in a productive conversation with a person who lives in Cuba and knows what life is like there and you totally blew it.

M-L is neither Communism nor socialism; if you had to live under these oppressions, your western arrogance would wane fast.

I've spoken to people in Cuba whose descendants were slaves under Batista who are grateful what the revolution did for their families. Yes they admit there are issues and corruption but life is undoubtedly better post revolution. I have no real interest in discussing with a Cuban advocating for free market capitalism lol. I'm living that reality right now, no thanks. Can you even define socialism for me? I don't even know what you advocate for based on the jumbled mess of nothingness you've written your last 10 posts, just pure idealism and historical ignorance.

 

[OceanBlue]

Your posts are full of logical fallacies - when it's people that reaffirm your views, it's not 'anecdotal' anymore. Some people who lived under oppression will say life was better back then, it only shows what oppression does to the oppressed, it does not justify oppression.

You dismissed all the facts that you clearly didn't even know about ussr and suggested European history back then can somehow justify decades of occupation? You're not even close to living it, it's so arrogant to compare yourself with people who had to endure that kind of existence.

There's a reason why tankies are not welcome in actual leftie spaces, because you are not on the left at all.

 

[WoAiGou]

Your posts are full of logical fallacies - when it's people that reaffirm your views, it's not 'anecdotal' anymore. Some people who lived under oppression will say life was better back then, it only shows what oppression does to the oppressed, it does not justify oppression.

You dismissed all the facts that you clearly didn't even know about ussr and suggested European history back then can somehow justify decades of occupation? You're not even close to living it, it's so arrogant to compare yourself with people who had to endure that kind of existence.

There's a reason why tankies are not welcome in actual leftie spaces, because you are not on the left at all.

Lmao no my point was anecdotes only mean so much. In one of my initial posts I mentioned looking at standard of living increases, literacy rates, infant mortality, housing statistics, healthcare etc. what decades of occupation? You realize you can look up approval ratings for Soviet states in the past and present, majority of people polled had a favorable approval of it. What actual leftie spaces are you apart of, I'm genuinely curious.

Your posts are full of logical fallacies - when it's people that reaffirm your views, it's not 'anecdotal' anymore. Some people who lived under oppression will say life was better back then, it only shows what oppression does to the oppressed, it does not justify oppression.

You dismissed all the facts that you clearly didn't even know about ussr and suggested European history back then can somehow justify decades of occupation? You're not even close to living it, it's so arrogant to compare yourself with people who had to endure that kind of existence.

There's a reason why tankies are not welcome in actual leftie spaces, because you are not on the left at all.